NieR: Automata - 3 Years Later

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Downward Thrust

Downward Thrust

4 жыл бұрын

Can a video game go beyond art? We discuss NieR: Automata and its impact... 3 years later.
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@DownwardThrust
@DownwardThrust 4 жыл бұрын
NieR: Automata is an incredibly philosophical and artistic game. Here, I share my thoughts having played the game a second time... 3 years later. This video is as spoiler free as I could make it. I hope you enjoy my new style of video creation. *Don't FORGET to tune in (hopefully on Saturday, 4/25) for my new show that I hinted at last year. It's going to be... different and fun.* Special thanks to anyone who has supported me on Patreon this last year, as I was able to upgrade my camera and buy new audio equipment (used in this video) for the channel with the donations. Thanks again! -Loke
@MrAndromedis
@MrAndromedis 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad guys like you make videos like this to make people realize what great games they might have missed like this one are out there
@Felsmukk
@Felsmukk 4 жыл бұрын
Too bad "Japanese PC port" happened.
@gliglimp
@gliglimp 4 жыл бұрын
Surprising that you mentioned the game is a CYCLE. Since an automaton ( in software engineering for the base logic of Artificial Intelligence) is a constant cycle/loop. Which is what all these machines and androids are boiled down to, essentially they are Just state loops and automatons. I love how you said when you reach the end you expect something but no it just loops back and it's futile. Kinda made me think, When an AI gets to the final state in a state machine (if it has a conscious) maybe it thinks it's at the end of it and will break free and be independent and discover more to life. But then it just loops back through each state. I hope that makes u see also how deep the game is ✌️
@endershepard7117
@endershepard7117 4 жыл бұрын
Downward Thrust I just gave this video a like bc you’re dog looks so cute back their on your bed. 😂
@spiritoetilico
@spiritoetilico 4 жыл бұрын
All who say games are not art, clearly did not play, chrono trigger, mass effect, the witcher, Nier, Fez, metal gear or the Myst saga. That is why, as gamer i know i'm lucky that i could experience such "non art", and also hope one day a movie will be able to move me as those games did.
@goktuggorduk7308
@goktuggorduk7308 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best game of this generation and sadly one of the most underrated game of this generation too. This game is pure Art. Story, songs, characters, atmosphere. Everything.
@moviefilmstudios9828
@moviefilmstudios9828 4 жыл бұрын
The game sold 7 million copies, so I wouldn't call it completely underated.
@bruhtonbruhkkinson6848
@bruhtonbruhkkinson6848 4 жыл бұрын
@@moviefilmstudios9828 If that was the USA alone, it wouldn't be too bad. But if you project that onto Japan and Anglo nations also..
@fravinci8491
@fravinci8491 4 жыл бұрын
I love it so mutch 😳💕
@ameen2441
@ameen2441 4 жыл бұрын
@@moviefilmstudios9828 i believe it only sold 4.5 million
@MrMadmaggot
@MrMadmaggot 4 жыл бұрын
Underrated? in Steam this game has a maximun 30% discount.
@jon-umber
@jon-umber 4 жыл бұрын
"Art is what you find in a museum, video games are the museum." Wow, this Kojima quote really resonates with me.
@choramais9057
@choramais9057 4 жыл бұрын
Kojima its Just a overated shitlord, Get over it
@billylukman5205
@billylukman5205 4 жыл бұрын
@@choramais9057 if you're a hater yeah sure
@lamphong6171
@lamphong6171 4 жыл бұрын
@@choramais9057 you are too oblivious to know what Kojima have done to the industry man
@m.r.1514
@m.r.1514 4 жыл бұрын
@@billylukman5205 You could say he is a bit overrated. Don't misunderstand, I love the guy and what he's done so far, all the works he's produced are extremely valid and hold a deeper content than most other games, he's still one of the best minds around in this field, but it's a bit jarring to see fanboys losing their minds to such an extent over him, making him out to be some kind of genius übermensch. He's not dumb or incompetent by any means, far from it, but venerating him like that just feels wrong and dumb.
@billylukman5205
@billylukman5205 4 жыл бұрын
@@m.r.1514 Did I said I venerate him?. Are you dumb?. Your logic so stupid. So hating for someone that didnt do anything to you is a opposite of wrong and dumb?how old are you kid?
@ReverentGhost
@ReverentGhost 4 жыл бұрын
Nier: Automata is one of my favorite games ever. a beautiful world filled with beautiful music and silky smooth combat. but that's not all, the game challenges you not just ethically, but philosophically. you start questioning why you do the things you do, and provokes emotion with every cutscene, not to mention the 4th wall breaks. I might be ignorant but I can't think of another game to blend all those factors into one game.
@cjrensh
@cjrensh 4 жыл бұрын
Pascal 😭😭😭😭😭
@zsurvivalist7996
@zsurvivalist7996 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe nier or drakengard...though I've never played them
@ReverentGhost
@ReverentGhost 4 жыл бұрын
@@zsurvivalist7996 same, unfortunately
@vanillacream2383
@vanillacream2383 4 жыл бұрын
Nier Replicant is getting a remaster so that’s a plus
@tucknrolls4102
@tucknrolls4102 4 жыл бұрын
I love this game as it holds a special place in my heart but something that makes you question your actions and your own thoughts, a game that gives me the same vibes would be Detroit become human
@jordick8427
@jordick8427 4 жыл бұрын
2017 had quite a lot of great games, but this one was probably my most favorite. It's a shame that Nier: Automata didn't get the amount of attention that it definitely deserved.
@Rakka5
@Rakka5 4 жыл бұрын
..except it did? It has sold 4 million copies and I haven't passed a week since it's realase where I didn't see it mentioned somewhere.
@justiadykalvianto1064
@justiadykalvianto1064 4 жыл бұрын
@@Rakka5 no really. It didnt receive the recognition it deserves. The hype over ffxv and ffvii is way higher. And a lot of people, even rpg player dont really know this game. Except really hard core player. But casual player know about ffvii n ffxv. And will buy it. Play it. And say how good it is. But not many pay attention to nier automata. Im a hard core rpg player, but only last year that i found out about nier automata
@vanillacream2383
@vanillacream2383 4 жыл бұрын
I only heard about Nier:Automata through seeing various arts of 2B because of obvious reasons. Seen her in SoulCalibur 6 as a playable dlc character as well. A recent sale was around for Japanese games on PS4 and I saw Automata in there. Bought it, played it, and enjoyed it. Not to mention being interested the lore behind its previous games as well. With Replicant on the way for a remaster, that’s a plus in my book. Automata is more accessible nowadays as well, so to an extent I agree it didnt get that much attention.
@justiadykalvianto1064
@justiadykalvianto1064 4 жыл бұрын
@@vanillacream2383 very true.. nier automata has very little promotion and ads compare to other games, but nier automata quality is waaaay higher. it really deserves more recognition and popularity. its quality surpassed recent ff series like ffxiii and ffxv
@tearyourwings
@tearyourwings 4 жыл бұрын
@@justiadykalvianto1064 Nier Automata got it's own raid (in multiple parts) in ffxiv, a lot of promotional merch collabs (shoes, plushies, keychains, music scores, musical boxes), it will have a spin-off mobile game this May-June, the Nier Replicant remake is on its way and a lot of concerts and scene plays based on it and of the lore (Yorha Boys, The A2 story etc.). It deserves a lot more attention,but we can't say it isn't a hit. There is still tons of...nsfw art...made of 2B. We will never forget this game. Just hope we get the Drakengard remake. (A fully remake. I don't want that blonde freak to reappear in the state he is)
@CarlosLuna-ue6ql
@CarlosLuna-ue6ql 4 жыл бұрын
For me, this game has the most beautiful music ever. Hearing weight of the world in the end section will break me everytime.
@Josef_1186
@Josef_1186 4 жыл бұрын
The music of Destiny is the only thing that comes close im my opinion.
@cainiwakura
@cainiwakura 4 жыл бұрын
tbh it's pretty expected from the guy who makes a hack and slash games with 6 minutes rythm games final boss and that game actually kinda all bout music like the power of music and something.
@davepatois297
@davepatois297 4 жыл бұрын
it's in a different style, but i think another game which has a really special atmosphere due to it's sound design is darksouls. the dead silence until you reach a climactic bossfight is really hyping up the bosses and makes you feel the grim darkness of the world the game is set in.
@Convoluted-and-Exiled
@Convoluted-and-Exiled 4 жыл бұрын
@@orangestapler8729 Actually, there's one other dynamic Game Soundtrack I'd like to add for you: .Hack// Infection, Mutation, Outbreak and Quarentine. (A bit Ironic talking about those now though...I know..) Those were the first I knew of that did that, (not to say the first ever...I honestly don't know. Just the first I personally have heard do it). So when Automata did this, it was incredible...But it also reminded me of those ;) Howrver, don't get me wrong, Automata is more dynamic and a masterpiece even over those. But they're all good in their own ways for sure. I can never get tired of this soundtrack though. No matter how many times I've heard "City Ruins" it will always be beautiful to me. And yes, "Weight Of The World" hit me hard from the very first time I heard it... So beautiful but so fricken powerful too. But every song in his soundtrack is in it's own ways to me too.
@Convoluted-and-Exiled
@Convoluted-and-Exiled 4 жыл бұрын
@Sora's Sky Agreed. However, Soundtrack is multiple Songs, no? Don't you mean Track or Song?
@kartikay7951
@kartikay7951 4 жыл бұрын
Yoko taro knows how to give people depression
@holgerkilumets1278
@holgerkilumets1278 4 жыл бұрын
Gatling3.8 The true ending is ultimately optimistic
@kartikay7951
@kartikay7951 4 жыл бұрын
@@holgerkilumets1278 I am not saying the story makes you depressed, it's that what story makes you think about can get you to think about your life and the way story hits can still make a person pretty sad
@Cyber_Engineer
@Cyber_Engineer 4 жыл бұрын
Not a depression. The true ending is good. It fills all emptiness inside of you with it's thoughts and philosophy and you can't live the way live before. It show us the most complicated sides of our life. The 3rd act of this game is incredible.
@Fate_37
@Fate_37 4 жыл бұрын
Haha, just like Hideaki Anno!
@cyansaint
@cyansaint 3 жыл бұрын
Funny that you say Anno. I find the end of evangelion to be very optimistic despite all the bad shit that happens in the movie . The shinji asuka relationship is really good and complex. Kinda like 2b and 9s
@loucollazo9584
@loucollazo9584 4 жыл бұрын
Nier: Automata is a milestone in modern day video game story telling. It was said in a review shortly after release: "If history forgets Nier:Automata, then f*ck history."
@yorha2b278
@yorha2b278 3 жыл бұрын
And then this a**hole rated the game 9/10... F*ck him.
@Spectacular_Insanity
@Spectacular_Insanity 4 жыл бұрын
Even to this day I still tear up a bit when I hear any section of "Weight of the World". The True Ending of that game still resonates that much with me. My only complaint is that the game ended. But man, what an ending it was. I'll never forget it.
@harper1234567890
@harper1234567890 4 жыл бұрын
Me too, thats y I bought the music box that plays weight of the world
@zepzzz7714
@zepzzz7714 4 жыл бұрын
Who's excited for new upcoming nier replicant?
@comradeluftwaffles1322
@comradeluftwaffles1322 4 жыл бұрын
Ze pedz zz don’t know if you knew its a remake. Europeans and Americans know it as NieR: Gestalt, asians know it as Replicant
@rakib5756
@rakib5756 4 жыл бұрын
and reincarnation
@BMXR0
@BMXR0 4 жыл бұрын
I heard they might revise the soundtrack, so hell yeah I'm waiting for it
@NeonDefense385
@NeonDefense385 4 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah, I never played the first NieR so this might motivate me
@BMXR0
@BMXR0 4 жыл бұрын
@@NeonDefense385 If you liked Automata, I recommend you to at least watch some let's plays of the original NieR. It has some clever gameplay motives like one time it changes the camera view to something reminiscent of the first Resident Evil, or one time the whole area is a text adventure. The characters are quite well written, but the combat gets a bit repetitive. I wonder if they remake the combat in the remake
@roberteriksen6434
@roberteriksen6434 4 жыл бұрын
What's problematic is that the rest of mainstream media didn't really evolve with SOMA, Ex Machina and Nier Automata. These gems are so far ahead even new shows or games that are still going 'RoBoTs HavE FeElIngS ToO'. The entire point of these games aren't really about robots more than they are about giving a new perspective on the importance of particularly memories and how they shape a person. It's still about the human experience, not just some 'RoOoOBoOoTs aRe CoOl ToO' In like 10 years maybe we are gonna get a mainstream series that tackles consciousness as though you weren't a fucking child like these pieces did. But normally i hate this subject in media because these bad bois already tackled it so well and most other stuff is just so insufferably worse.
@frenzybacon369
@frenzybacon369 4 жыл бұрын
I second this
@stm4ever
@stm4ever 4 жыл бұрын
meanwhile Trupm voted in for presidency, the economy collapses and populist nationalism on the rise on every corner of the world while the global elite vowing ideas how the next WW could be beneficial. so yeah 10 years maybe if we crumble and loose 50% of population, and the new ways of thinking can be stronger after that - which has a very very small chance considering how people act in survival situations - otherwise we are kinda doomed rather than enlightened about consciousness or anything for that matter
@Convoluted-and-Exiled
@Convoluted-and-Exiled 4 жыл бұрын
Wait... You lost me at the end there. Please elaborate a bit more at the end? (third paragraph). Because the end of your comment seems like you're against the game when you started off as supporting it... Yeeeah... Ya lost me lol. Not an insult, I genuinely want to understand more about what you were trying to say there. I agree with the rest though, most definitely.
@roberteriksen6434
@roberteriksen6434 4 жыл бұрын
@@Convoluted-and-Exiled I was a bit fired up so it's not too wellwritten, im sorry :D My point is just that SOMA, Nier and Ex Machina are some of the few if not only pieces of work that deal with their themes without assuming that you're a child like most pieces of media we see today. Most media pieces today about these sort of themes are kinda just sending out the message that robots are super cool and maybe humans should just die out already, when the point of these three pieces were never to really comment about robots, but to explore the human condition through a robot story. It's still all about humanity, which i like. If that was incoherent as well, TL;DR Nier, SOMA and Ex Good, most other works Bad
@Convoluted-and-Exiled
@Convoluted-and-Exiled 4 жыл бұрын
@@roberteriksen6434 Lol, I see. No problem :) Ahh. That is more clear, thank you very much!! I appreciate it and for not having an attitude, that's honestly very rare these days! Wishing ya well!
@Ritualist2
@Ritualist2 4 жыл бұрын
Despite it's flaws, this has to be the most memorable game I've played thus far. It's unfortunate many didn't get past the first route to understand the brilliance of this game.
@iM7SnaKe
@iM7SnaKe 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like weebs never read any book so they find this original. Ehm ok.
@nehh_aksat
@nehh_aksat 3 жыл бұрын
It was flawless, stupid. It was the best.
@__Razer
@__Razer 4 жыл бұрын
This game is a masterpiece. The best game I've ever played. It is an experience that cannot be recreated or adapted to other mediums like a movie or a TV show, as much as I would love to watch it in that form, they would never do the story justice. You can't get that same experience watching a moving picture. I wish more people had access to it and had the patience to complete the game entirely. I know too many people who quit as early as the tutorial level because they died and had to restart.
@Longshanks1690
@Longshanks1690 4 жыл бұрын
Oh thank Goliath, I couldn't go any longer without my monthly thrust. 😫😫😫
@cosmoreverb3943
@cosmoreverb3943 4 жыл бұрын
Has Rag's's's's's's's gotten his monthly thrust yet?
@LeHobbitFan
@LeHobbitFan 4 жыл бұрын
Do not mention He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named in the holy presence of Lord Tonald, Son of the Cosmic Chicken!
@Dunmerdog
@Dunmerdog 4 жыл бұрын
You’re getting the thrust on tonald’s bed 🤯🤯🤯
@devilgamerknight5486
@devilgamerknight5486 4 жыл бұрын
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@massivetism
@massivetism 4 жыл бұрын
Greetings fellow jeb-pilled hate mongers, may the Don bless your celestially epic feelings and pipe weed.
@NoKOzKamui
@NoKOzKamui 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing video Tonald. It makes me happy to know that you appreciate this game as much as I, and many others do.
@Zhengrui0
@Zhengrui0 4 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, at Gamefaqs, its being outvoted for GOTD by...Pokemon Silver and Gold remakes? Yeah, crazy world we live in.
@averagesoul8256
@averagesoul8256 4 жыл бұрын
my favourite game of all time.Nier is something truly special.Dont blame that list,its probably made for the general audience.Its truly a shame that not more people played this game.Simply cant wait for the nier 1 remaster
@davevd9944
@davevd9944 4 жыл бұрын
Because best game is most votes apparently.
@narukami6364
@narukami6364 4 жыл бұрын
Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver? This is the first I’ve heard of this polling, but you make it sound like HGSS are bad in any way. They are outstanding Pokémon games - Whilst I love Automata, think that it’s story and presentation is a step above all, HGSS are arguably the peak of Pokémon that has most likely touched the hearts of every child with a Nintendo DS. Effort and soul shines through that game, the emotions it subtly evokes within you as younger kid going along this journey and becoming a Pokémon Master is what hooks so many people to the series even more as they get older. No, it’s not as deep as NieR, nor does it tell a story half as good, but it does something different to NieR and it excels at it, too.
@Zhengrui0
@Zhengrui0 4 жыл бұрын
@@narukami6364 tl; but I read. Next time make a vid and link. I'll just say this: I was TOTALLY BLOWN AWAY fighting *SPOILER* as the final trainer. ...in 1999.
@Bobandy902
@Bobandy902 4 жыл бұрын
@@narukami6364 that's a great take on it. And the people comparing these games is just not right to do. Nier only has a handful of games that can even be compared
@issa37031
@issa37031 4 жыл бұрын
Nier Automata is the heart of game. To anyone who didn't play I really recommend to try and enjoy it. 😊😊
@metacooler5947
@metacooler5947 4 жыл бұрын
Bloodborne
@kylecgobel
@kylecgobel 4 жыл бұрын
Make sure to do a min of 3 play throughs
@ievanpolkka1738
@ievanpolkka1738 4 жыл бұрын
Already played it,uninstall after 1 hour gameplay..
@issa37031
@issa37031 4 жыл бұрын
@@ievanpolkka1738 good u enjoyed it. 😉
@hiding_behind
@hiding_behind 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t have ps4 ✌️😔
@akiinmoonlight79
@akiinmoonlight79 4 жыл бұрын
Nier: Automata will be a masterpiece, even 20 years from now on ♥️
@H.K._G36C
@H.K._G36C 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@brothinkhecarti69
@brothinkhecarti69 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, in 20 years there will be games that would absolutely destroy this game in quality, soundtracks, gameplay, story and everything else.
@nicholashildenbrand8632
@nicholashildenbrand8632 3 жыл бұрын
@@brothinkhecarti69 that would be nice but then again how many games are made strictly for mainstream consumption? How many games will be strictly service based instead of story focused? Nier seems like a dying breed
@kazuha1572
@kazuha1572 2 жыл бұрын
@@brothinkhecarti69 not for soundtrack i bet, i mean come on, soundtrack cannot outdated
@Mrcryptidsarereal
@Mrcryptidsarereal 4 жыл бұрын
Bless us with your videos Lord Tonald!
@seras1235
@seras1235 4 жыл бұрын
As someone that played nier 1 first than nier automata I can say the nier series is an absolute master piece and yoko Torra is an absolute mastermind being able to construct such complex simple and emotion games
@chrips154
@chrips154 4 жыл бұрын
im so hype for nier replicant
@ultragamer4465
@ultragamer4465 4 жыл бұрын
*tarou not torra
@SquidJoe
@SquidJoe 4 жыл бұрын
@@ultragamer4465 Is not Tarou neither, is Taro.
@tovi3280
@tovi3280 4 жыл бұрын
Ikr DOD3 is my personal fav in the series
@Shadowfur
@Shadowfur 4 жыл бұрын
Nier has been one of the most emotional, thought provoking, and influential pieces of media I have picked up to date. Nothing will come close to affecting me like Nier has. Taro is a genius and I'm glad I pulled Nier: Gestalt out of the bargain bin at GameStop.
@FurieMan
@FurieMan 4 жыл бұрын
8:40 Optional quests does thankfully stay completed trough the repeating sections.
@averagesoul8256
@averagesoul8256 4 жыл бұрын
ye and also even if they are maybe a bit dull and repetitive in gameplay,their overall adition to the story and the workd buikding is too good to pass
@averagesoul8256
@averagesoul8256 4 жыл бұрын
@inyrui ye me too
@TNTITAN
@TNTITAN 3 жыл бұрын
@inyrui even Speed Star?
@EvanAnderson64
@EvanAnderson64 4 жыл бұрын
Not even gonna lie I teared up at the end to. Whenever the weight of the world starts playing I still get a little choked up. This honestly quickly became one of my favorite games ever it's amazing
@Shadowfur
@Shadowfur 4 жыл бұрын
Nier has the most powerful soundtracks, from Kaine's theme to Weight of the World. I have the Gestalt playlist, and I frequent Blu-bird (Hansel and Gretel fight music) and Emil's Song. Weight of the World deserves a spot on the "Must listen" playlist.
@ravenwarjoy
@ravenwarjoy 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos have greatly improved with time! Love to see you grow as a creator, hope you find success.
@fracture4047
@fracture4047 4 жыл бұрын
Haven't seen one of your vids for a while. Really impressed with this one. Keep up the good work.
@PhantomHalf
@PhantomHalf 4 жыл бұрын
Straight up you have come a long way in making videos im enjoying what you are doing now more than a couple years back. Im looking forward to your next videos.
@objectismy6434
@objectismy6434 4 жыл бұрын
Tonald videos are art. I pray to the cosmic chicken that they will not end
@6th_Army
@6th_Army 4 жыл бұрын
It's as that one person said 3 years ago. The master you'll never play
@m1569752
@m1569752 4 жыл бұрын
Dude nice painting!
@Ramses4821
@Ramses4821 4 жыл бұрын
Nier automa is next up on my quarantine game list. I’ve been wanting to play it for years but had too many other games to finish and multiplayer games for in the way.
@profilore
@profilore 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, you're so Lucky. Sadly, you can never play it for the first time agan T_T
@AndrewLee-hp6zz
@AndrewLee-hp6zz 4 жыл бұрын
Either a very appropriate time to play it, or a very lonely time to do so depending on your perspective
@szabobali88
@szabobali88 4 жыл бұрын
Make sure to not skip the sidequests, they're good, collect weapons, pods, pod mods, joke endings, switch up your playstyle by changing and merging your chips to upgrade them so you become more powerful so buy the chip space extension from the lady in the Resistance camp as soon as you're able to. Oh, And don't stop after the first ending(ending A), After you play through the game a second time as 9S (mostly the same as A but with new game mechanics but you keep your lvl and stuff) (ending B), you unlock a third character and the second half of the story starts from there. That's right, the second half of the game and the story is locked behind the first 2 playthroughs and there are people who stop after they're at ending A, despite the game even saying "Congrats on beating 1/4 of the story, new game+ unlocked" and they miss out on the middle and ending of this beautiful game which breaks my heart. Good luck soldier, stick through the end... *For the Glory of Mankind.*
@profilore
@profilore 4 жыл бұрын
@@szabobali88 dude, spoilers, delete plz, let him make his own mistakes
@szabobali88
@szabobali88 4 жыл бұрын
​@@profilore You know 33% of players stop at the first ending, right? there are no spoilers in this, dude wtf
@mspilot8283
@mspilot8283 4 жыл бұрын
great video man, this was a real treat. thank you
@DrAlexandrius
@DrAlexandrius 4 жыл бұрын
My biggest problem with video games being labeled as art is that most games require a compromise of their artistic attributes in order to make the game user friendly and accessible to more people, (or people in general, regardless of the number) a game's ultimate goal is to make money for the company, there might or might not be passion involved but that doesn't change the true purpose of the game's development. Video games posses art in themselves but only in certain segments, and most of the time that art suffers because of the game's ultimate goal, models are simplified, textures are compressed and mechanics are dumbed down. I believe Hideo is right when he says that video games are more of a museum than an art piece, but that being said when you break down the game most of the time you get mediocre art pieces at best. Things in video games are not made for the sake of being made, they are made for the sake of appealing to someone else other than the game's developer, therefore the game's overall appearance and design is dictated not by the creator but by someone who will eventually consume that product. Another thing that bothers me with games being labeled as art is that all games are made as a sort of a playground that allows the players to be creative in some way, therefore i would much rather be inclined to label them as a new media canvas of some sorts than a standalone art piece. I haven't played NieR, but by your video's analysis it seems like a game that creates a setting, asks the questions, and then answers them. Also i don't believe that art has to be many-worded to be deep and therefore good, really simple and seemingly irrelevant things and motifs can drive someone to deep contemplation concerning something such as life or death or free will, just having something be thoroughly set up and based around a seemingly deep subject doesn't equate to it being deep and/or good. I understand your point, that the game does well, trough it's presentation and mechanics, to convey a certain message that it's trying to convey to the player, i don't believe that that makes it art, however i would say it's a good use of the medium and as such a good idea and narrative conveying piece, if that makes sense.
@ArawnOfAnnwn
@ArawnOfAnnwn 4 жыл бұрын
The vast majority of the paintings, sculptures and music in existence was also created to make money - artists are still human beings with human needs and wants, after all. They were not made simply "for the sake of being made". Some of that is still considered great art. A commercial incentive does not preclude passion or artistic vision.
@DrAlexandrius
@DrAlexandrius 4 жыл бұрын
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Yes i agree with you on that part, but today's concept of art isn't the same as the one before the enlightenment period, which basically gave birth to the contemporary meaning of art, and not only that, but it also gave birth to museums and galleries, where art pieces are exhibited on their own, without external context. I do not consider NieR art only by today's standards, from which point my original comment was made. Even great masters of old didn't consider themselves artists most of the time. What I'm trying to say is that when written down, the essence and meaning of art isn't the same as it used to be when those great sculptures and paintings were made, in that regard if NieR was made in that time it would by all means be considered art by those standards. The art of that time was never meant to be exhibited in a gallery or a museum, as you said it was made to serve a purpose, but at you look at most art that was made after the great revolution (and most during), you can see that the general concept has greatly changed. In essence, art has become a work of an individual, and and extension of oneself.
@sarahanderson2856
@sarahanderson2856 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video thank you for bringing attention to everything that matters about this amazing, wonderful experience!!
@Flameshadow22
@Flameshadow22 4 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or has Downward thrust rising in quality? Wow. Haven't seen any clickbait videos about the death of . Rather, it's been thoughtful critique videos. Kudos to DT on turning the channel around
@Dunmerdog
@Dunmerdog 4 жыл бұрын
Flameshadow22 Yeah it started with his video on Jedi: Fallen Order, Tonald really been putting out actually great content.
@franpineda8334
@franpineda8334 4 жыл бұрын
One of my top 3 games of the generation, great review again Downward. Cry like a child with the true ending :_( Greetings from Spain :)
@jakqatif
@jakqatif 4 жыл бұрын
3 years and years to come, this game will always stay my favorite game EVER
@felixbelanger2659
@felixbelanger2659 4 жыл бұрын
Played it for the first time recently after lusting over it for 3 years. Definitely a work of art... Maybe my favorite game ever
@user-pl2go8wf8z
@user-pl2go8wf8z 4 жыл бұрын
I did not expect such an in-dept video so long after the game has been released. Nice
@babogoose
@babogoose 4 жыл бұрын
Glad I came by your channel, you have great content! Nier Automata is one of my favorite games ever!
@hispanic88
@hispanic88 4 жыл бұрын
I recently played this through on PC and took my time with the game and absolutely loved It. Made sure to not skip side quest's and strived to get all weapons and pods.
@shadoweater9805
@shadoweater9805 4 жыл бұрын
Dude I play it before one year .really bad port micro stutter and laggy cutscenes. What you say?
@hispanic88
@hispanic88 4 жыл бұрын
@@shadoweater9805 I never had any of those Issues thankfully. I know a few did but I didn't experience one crash while playing.
@shadoweater9805
@shadoweater9805 4 жыл бұрын
Did you play the original or the game of yorhaedition
@hispanic88
@hispanic88 4 жыл бұрын
@@shadoweater9805 The original. I do have a pretty nicely custom spec'd PC so idk If that had anything to do with it.
@shadoweater9805
@shadoweater9805 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks and i wish a good year bro
@charliegaudino
@charliegaudino 4 жыл бұрын
Good to see that someone is still talking about this because I picked it up last month when it was $20 but had wanted to play it forever! It's definitely one of a kind and doesn't get enough credit.
@vajra6888
@vajra6888 4 жыл бұрын
After hearing "A beautiful song" I knew I had to play this game, I started watching videos about it while trying to not spoil myself. I eventually saved up for a decent computer to play it and it's my favorite game of all time, I've replayed it a few times and listen to the soundtrack a bit too much lol. Now I'm really excited to play the nier remake when it comes out
@lemon__snicker5973
@lemon__snicker5973 2 жыл бұрын
Nice painting, man!
@ExySmexy
@ExySmexy 3 жыл бұрын
Very well made video, thank you for making it
@lilithz
@lilithz 4 жыл бұрын
i actually recently wrote an essay for a art history and visual culture on a similar topic. my thesis was that nier automata as an art piece and as a narrative could only fully be expressed as a video game, and the story could never be the same expressed as any other medium. nier automata is my favourite game. this video is very eloquently put and i'm glad you made this video essay!
@ErbBetaPatched
@ErbBetaPatched 4 жыл бұрын
Your content has drastically improved since returning from your hiatus
@GrumpyDadGaming
@GrumpyDadGaming 4 жыл бұрын
I finally finished routes B-E a few months ago and it was absolutely incredible. Why I waited so long after finishing A I'm not sure. Such a beautiful story really different than most everything else out there. Fantastic video by the way
@MAGNUSMORTEM
@MAGNUSMORTEM 4 жыл бұрын
the OST was one of the most memorable things I have come across and the game itself is stunning. Yoko Taro put art in a way he saw fit and called it a game
@warpigmahalo
@warpigmahalo 4 жыл бұрын
Great work man keep it up!!!
@DTS_Oswind
@DTS_Oswind 4 жыл бұрын
I like the new style, keep it up!
@Clouds23x
@Clouds23x 4 жыл бұрын
I still listen to Nier Automata OST every day, it's just so amazing, a true masterpiece.
@BrianH1988
@BrianH1988 4 жыл бұрын
The style of this video is so close on the spectrum to Raycevick's it's like you're attempting to channel him. You've really upped your game here, man. Cheers!
@kadosho02
@kadosho02 3 жыл бұрын
I found Automata on sale a few months ago. Dived in, the endings convey so much. But E.. the entire journey is amazing That boss fight at the end though. that broke me
@PowerSkiff12
@PowerSkiff12 4 жыл бұрын
wow three years that was quick
@askaliu2943
@askaliu2943 4 жыл бұрын
i am just glad there are people who acknowledges the true meaning of the 3 different story line. i have seen review vids where the content creator says something along the lines of "the game gets you to repeat the story line with a different charactor with minor change to the story line", i am like, you really haven't been paying attention at all have you...... and that ending credit fight... who ever came up with it is a bloody genius
@spiritdetectived6006
@spiritdetectived6006 4 жыл бұрын
This game is one of the most beautiful games I've ever played.
@Drothen-
@Drothen- 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for recognizing this game!
@lieutenantnomad9198
@lieutenantnomad9198 4 жыл бұрын
Thank God that Tonald has been uploading more. Join the intelecutal Toxic Brood Tonald! It is... inevitable!
@ragnarokgaming7802
@ragnarokgaming7802 4 жыл бұрын
Dont worry, the spiders have foretold it! They can tell the future so its 100% happening eventually
@bananasean5145
@bananasean5145 4 жыл бұрын
Wow what are the odds I was just listening to the the soundtrack.
@MrJpc1234
@MrJpc1234 4 жыл бұрын
For me odds were high cos I'm ALWAYS listening to the soundtrack haha
@Borderlines
@Borderlines 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you looking at NieR again!
@JayOne44
@JayOne44 3 жыл бұрын
The way you string words together is like poetry. Very mentally stimulating to me for some reason 🤔 great review and I'm buying into this game.
@lisslevimolly
@lisslevimolly 4 жыл бұрын
The passion behind this game is unmatched in my opinion. You can tell how much love and devotion went into every single inch of this game by how it pushes boundaries and how beautiful it is. Everything between the music, the story, the themes and the ending E makes this game a masterpiece. One I will likely never forget. This game is one that has a real power to resonate, one that can actually move people to look inward on themselves to ask how compassionate of a person they are and if they are willing to prove it. Game of a generation, for sure.
@mrrm5456
@mrrm5456 4 жыл бұрын
Wolf is round of you Love this video you’re doing great job
@EMNemesis
@EMNemesis 4 жыл бұрын
Last time I played this masterpiece by Yoko Taro was back in August 2019. Finished it from A-Z including a hidden ending with music video related to the machine story.
@ninoo3186
@ninoo3186 4 жыл бұрын
"music video related to the machine story"? which ending ?
@EMNemesis
@EMNemesis 4 жыл бұрын
@@ninoo3186It's a 3C3C1D119440927 DLC so you need to get it if you haven't. First you need to complete all of the Colosseum to be able to unlock it. Once you've achieve the Colosseum challenges, then head to the Circus where there's a hidden elevator with a clown machine beside the basement, but you need to play as 9S to be able to find it.
@gilvanroy8158
@gilvanroy8158 4 жыл бұрын
Just completed the game yesterday, had a blast playing it!
@BaldorfBreakdowns
@BaldorfBreakdowns 4 жыл бұрын
So not only can this dude jam out like a master on guitar, he can make crazy ass abstract art too? So much talent in one man!
@jeffsmith6240
@jeffsmith6240 4 жыл бұрын
I agree I don't think of games as art in a traditional sense. This game made me rethink that premise as it truly is an experience I have never had in a video game before. Other games may have better stories through a straight narrative but this game goes beyond that into existence and meaning of life itself. Truly a masterpiece kinda like bioshock in that regard.
@zycane
@zycane 4 жыл бұрын
Still my favorite game, 3 years on. Need to play it again, with some, 'Delicious mods'.
@szirsp
@szirsp 4 жыл бұрын
I love Nier:A so much. It raised the bar for video games for me. Such a great story in a gorgeous video game. I wish I could play, experience more things like it. But it is heavy, I'm still not over it... and probably will never be ...until I die.
@szirsp
@szirsp 4 жыл бұрын
There are other works I like that touch on futility, loneliness and meaning of life...
@FurieMan
@FurieMan 4 жыл бұрын
The "Art is what you see in a museum. A game is a museum" quote just blew my mind.
@commandertoothpick8284
@commandertoothpick8284 4 жыл бұрын
The first time I played it, everytime I got into a new area I'd just stop what I'm doing and just listen to the music being played. Good times.
@slainemccool2875
@slainemccool2875 4 жыл бұрын
3 years? Jesus the years are flying by
@Lupus_Dei_
@Lupus_Dei_ 4 жыл бұрын
Tonald is back! Welcome back you wonderful person filled with entertainment!
@Sigma993
@Sigma993 4 жыл бұрын
Came for the super hot and thicc android waifu but stood for philosophy and the emotionally sad tone! 10/10
@darreideamos2309
@darreideamos2309 4 жыл бұрын
Came for the thighs, stayed for the cries
@fiercepierce1999
@fiercepierce1999 3 жыл бұрын
@Eternal why even comment... Like damn, maybe you’re not happy with anything in your life but why make fun of others for enjoying something ?
@denchua
@denchua 4 жыл бұрын
I played this game in December of 2018. I'm thankful for experiencing it as it helped me go through some tough times. This game lingered in my mind for 3 months after completing it. No other game has done that. I still listen to it's soundtrack to this day. I can definitely say, for me at least, that Nier Automata is one of the best games of all time.
@Lady-V
@Lady-V 4 жыл бұрын
7:10 You only have to restart Nier Automata once about halfway through the game. I'm pretty sure that's the opposite of countless.
@TrajGreekFire
@TrajGreekFire 4 жыл бұрын
We love you Tone
@simonreed8986
@simonreed8986 4 жыл бұрын
Funny enough I slept on this game for a long time. Of course I had seen it a bit but never knew much about it. I’ve sunk about 20 hours into Nier:Automata now and so far and It’s amazing. Definitely brings me back to playing kingdom hearts and final fantasy games when I was younger.
@justinunion7586
@justinunion7586 4 жыл бұрын
That dog is a true work of art
@georgevisnevsky
@georgevisnevsky 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you're doing well Tonald. Slice and dice brother, slice and dice
@kylecgobel
@kylecgobel 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely an underrated masterpiece!
@KoongYe
@KoongYe 4 жыл бұрын
I never finished the game because I got tired of playing any game in general. But this game has a special place in my heart because of the feel of it. The desolate post apocalyptic city with robots running around. I am an artist myself and I can really say, though it may not be the best game in terms of gameplay, it is one of the masterpieces of art(or a museum as some people in the comment says). I still listen to the soundtrack and watch screenshots to get inspired.
@Zer0Hour17
@Zer0Hour17 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite game of all time. The only point I would push back on is that things do actually change quite a bit each playthrough. The second, while replaying many of the sections of the 1st, has new sections as well as well as adding to the narrative in the parts that do repeat through the unique ability of 9s, hacking. Playing through as him is also a major difference. The 3rd playthrough is completely unique and takes place after the 1st and 2nd. The first NieR's multiple playthroughs actually function much closer to how you described.
@remuvs
@remuvs 4 жыл бұрын
There has been no game which as blown me away like Automata has. I didn’t expect it to be as detailed as it was. I reluctantly picked it up late 2019, now it’s my story favourite game. To this day I’m still in that satisfying reflection phase as if I’ve just finished all endings (especially ending E). Like god damn that all happened, it made me actively think about themes and most importantly FEEL and care for the characters which most games fail to made me do. I’m ready to sink in another 40 hours to explore the world again and play to absolutely completion.
@LegoLad01
@LegoLad01 4 жыл бұрын
Ur dog is Adorable!! I platinumed this game last week for the second time...it is still one of the best and unique games around and i need a sequel ASAP
@einherjar8147
@einherjar8147 4 жыл бұрын
You'll get a remake of the first NieR title soon, if you didn't play that one.
@LegoLad01
@LegoLad01 4 жыл бұрын
@@einherjar8147 i only own Nier on Ps3 and Automata on ps4 liked the ps3 one but not as much as automata...very different game but i'm interested in anything NieR...just love niche and unique games especially from Japan
@POOKISTAN
@POOKISTAN 4 жыл бұрын
You had me at doggo...
@Mysticnonsense
@Mysticnonsense 4 жыл бұрын
I love how you make videos! keep up the good work. I downloaded this game 1 year ago, I haven't played it, looking forward to do so. (thanks for the spoiler warning)
@loope9421
@loope9421 4 жыл бұрын
This game saved me from my depression after my first break up.
@DarkDareAL5
@DarkDareAL5 4 жыл бұрын
Side quests are actually one and done after your first play through on route A. Route B can offer those side quests if you hadn’t them plus adds ones for 9S specifically. You do learn more about the world and the android resistance on earth. Plus a little into 21O and 6P personalities and desires. I enjoyed the side quests and didn’t find them bothersome
@profilore
@profilore 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I thought all of them were either funny, interesting, or had fun challenging combat, or all three.
@unicorntomboy9736
@unicorntomboy9736 4 жыл бұрын
NieR Automata has been quite influencal in my work as a university student doing a BA Degree.
@tobiweinmann3790
@tobiweinmann3790 4 жыл бұрын
NieR: Automata is a once in the Decade Event (hell could even be one a life time) in gaming just alone at the graphics or the story there is no game like it. it is one of my favourite games of the last decade for the prospective it trys to tell and the way it tells the story i nver felt that characters are more alive in any other game than this one and that allone is a pice of art
@victormaldonado786
@victormaldonado786 4 жыл бұрын
oh bummer, its been 3 years and i still havent finish it, so i cant watch your video just yet, but you have my like and share because im sure its a good video.
@m3ng252
@m3ng252 4 жыл бұрын
How come that video games, as a combination of all forms of art doesn’t get nearly as much recognition as some splashed paint in an museum? Maybe because videogames hasn’t existed for nearly as much but I believe one day they’re gonna surpass every other form of art.
@MrWhite5150Duke
@MrWhite5150Duke 4 жыл бұрын
This is a neat game. It's in my backlog, and I'm hoping to get around to earning the plat next year.
@B.Love88
@B.Love88 4 жыл бұрын
Duke5150 i just started it! I really like it! I say just go for it you won’t be disappointed
@deanian3128
@deanian3128 4 жыл бұрын
dang..u readin my mind or wat..been meaning to ply this game for a while now. jus finished the mass effect games, all 3 in 1 week..ya i know. Guess ill go ply nier now. ill surely watch this in full once i finish the game ;)
@ninoo3186
@ninoo3186 4 жыл бұрын
man i envy you. how i wish to experience this game for the first time again :(
@dethswurl117
@dethswurl117 3 жыл бұрын
Planning on starting this today for the first time, feel like I've missed out for too long based on this game's amazing reception Wish me luck :)
@nickdibart
@nickdibart 4 жыл бұрын
This was a well timed video because I just recently started my second playthrough. As a game, it is good but has some noticeable shortcomings, most of which you mentioned. Despite that, it is the most profound video game I've ever played and easily ranks among my favorites.
@alanwong5440
@alanwong5440 4 жыл бұрын
Nier Automata was beautiful in many ways, the character arcs, main plot, musics, environment, ideology, philosophy... The beginning of the third play through is disastrous, everything happens so quickly that I don't have time to think and breathe !
@sciencethygod
@sciencethygod 4 жыл бұрын
The entire franchise (except DG2) is astounding, it's not a Work of Art, it's Art incarnate! Nier:A is a but a fraction of the mythos of the universe it inhabits, and personally not the best in the bigger picture for me DG3 still holds that crown.
@saiyanprince2795
@saiyanprince2795 4 жыл бұрын
Been contemplating on getting this and it looks amazing from the gameplay i've seen on KZfaq. Question for anyone who has played Nier Automata, does the game ever feel repetitive and overwhelming? Those are some of my biggest gaming fears.
@profilore
@profilore 4 жыл бұрын
I've 100% it, and not too much, no. There's a section that might feel a bit repetitive if you ignore all side content and aren't too busy trying to upgrade all your chips and weapons i guess. If you pay attention to the themes and think about what you see, it provides an incredible perspective and gives you endless exploration opportunities. Not to mention that the gameplay keeps changing. So, play with out fear =)
@elCamo12
@elCamo12 4 жыл бұрын
Love it already. Like!
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