Nigel Farage calls for change to voting system

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17 күн бұрын

Despite winning just four seats, Reform took 14.3% of the popular vote - the third party by vote share.
This prompted the party's leader, Nigel Farage, to attack the first past the post electoral system, which he says is outdated.
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@sirhenrysimmerson9385
@sirhenrysimmerson9385 15 күн бұрын
The current system is disgustingly undemocratic
@jayseabie215
@jayseabie215 13 күн бұрын
Reform 4 million votes = 5 seats. Lib Dems 3.5 million votes = 71 seats. How the hell does that work? The system is utterly broken.
@peterjermey7235
@peterjermey7235 12 күн бұрын
Because the system is that each constituency chooses who they want to represent them. Both Lib Dems and Labour played to win under the fptp system. Farage has only himself to blame for doing so badly
@matthewcook9404
@matthewcook9404 11 күн бұрын
We had a Referendum in 2011 to consider an alternative voting system to First Past The Post. It was rejected by 67% of the electorate, and we must respect the result of that democratic vote. Forever. It’s the will of the people.
@Mark-kh1ny
@Mark-kh1ny 11 күн бұрын
@@matthewcook9404that referendum was between FPTP and AV and didn’t even include PR. Hardly representative of all the choices… (ohhh the irony)
@peterjermey7235
@peterjermey7235 11 күн бұрын
@@matthewcook9404 not only that, I'm pretty sure UKIP opposed PR back then. It was only the Lib Dems (and Greens?) who campaigned for it
@cokezzz8249
@cokezzz8249 15 күн бұрын
UK is the least democratic nation in the West. Only western nation that adopts this system and we still have unelected House of Lords that can delay needed reform. Britain needs electoral reform urgently in order to restore confidence in its democracy
@jeycalc6877
@jeycalc6877 15 күн бұрын
USA electrocal college is worse. Also Canada has the same system, just as bad, we had a kind of house of lords as well
@jelmerwalsh8973
@jelmerwalsh8973 15 күн бұрын
The same "Confidence-in-the-system?". that Putin's puppet Nigel Farage and company, spent a decade undermining? Now Nigel will fix what he broken? Excellent Hitler/Trump move! Once a Putin puppet , always a puppet?
@petertappin9568
@petertappin9568 14 күн бұрын
@@cokezzz8249 the conservatives and LibDems had a referendum on changing the electoral system in 2011. It got rejected by the people. There's your democracy...
@jezphipps142
@jezphipps142 14 күн бұрын
The two largest democracies, USA and India, use FPTP.
@gerrylast
@gerrylast 14 күн бұрын
House of lords may be more about decay than delay.
@livyalexx
@livyalexx 15 күн бұрын
Farage calling for voting system changes?! 🤔 This could shake things up!
@boota1979
@boota1979 15 күн бұрын
Well anyone with any sense knew he would start whinging on about something, Farage is danger to this country.
@zazzleman
@zazzleman 15 күн бұрын
Yeah like is Brexit calls. Winning 🤡
@Tom.J.O
@Tom.J.O 15 күн бұрын
We had a referendum years ago and people decided to keep first past the post. So if Farage wants a second referendum does that mean we can also have one on Brexit?
@ssuwandi3240
@ssuwandi3240 15 күн бұрын
If only Geert Wilder would have won as one member party in Britain 😊 THE SKY IS FALLING!
@zazzleman
@zazzleman 15 күн бұрын
Yeah like anyone is going to take notice of him and his dopey voters
@pam732
@pam732 15 күн бұрын
I agree with Nigel we need to overhaul the voting system. It is totally unfair.
@thebrowniestjohnson3244
@thebrowniestjohnson3244 14 күн бұрын
it's not, we are all playing the same rules :D
@MaestroPlaymaker
@MaestroPlaymaker 12 күн бұрын
There’s nothing wrong it. Stop complaining
@peterjermey7235
@peterjermey7235 12 күн бұрын
I don't remember him arguing for PR when conservatives were benefitting from fptp
@thebrowniestjohnson3244
@thebrowniestjohnson3244 12 күн бұрын
@@peterjermey7235 and remember, if we had PR , no one would have partaken in tactical voting. Labour supporters are the largest of Tactical voters. Labour would stand to gain a huge vote share under PR. So either way, reform will be a small party full of empty promises and no substance. But Deform voters barely understand how taxes work :D
@Slumbert
@Slumbert 15 күн бұрын
5 seat to 4 million votes seems bizarre.
@jontullett9068
@jontullett9068 15 күн бұрын
Rigged, most people i know voted reform yet still lost in lot of areas. Lot of people still voted Tory’s even though they’ve failed the country for 24 years.
@aaropajari7058
@aaropajari7058 15 күн бұрын
They should cry in the arms of the Lib Dems.
@PAB86
@PAB86 15 күн бұрын
​@@jontullett9068 at my local voting station there was 12 of us queing for it to open only 1 person was voting different to reform.
@adam7802
@adam7802 15 күн бұрын
Our voting system was never designed for party politics. Long overdue change...
@JediSimpson
@JediSimpson 15 күн бұрын
If it was representative to the amount of total votes, they’d have 93 seats.
@alaskanmalamute101
@alaskanmalamute101 15 күн бұрын
Don't like farage but do agree that first past the post is 💩
@johneastwood3039
@johneastwood3039 14 күн бұрын
We need more honesty like this from the left.
@armstrongtixid6873
@armstrongtixid6873 13 күн бұрын
​@@johneastwood3039 The left has been saying this far more than the right bc FPTP has screwed Lib-Dems and Greens since forever and has also led to Labour being hard done by in 2017
@johneastwood3039
@johneastwood3039 13 күн бұрын
@armstrongtixid6873 They never got punished by FPTP on the same scale Reform has. 4 million votes equals 5 seats.
@armstrongtixid6873
@armstrongtixid6873 13 күн бұрын
@@johneastwood3039 And Reform would do the same if they benefitted. I don’t see how Labour doing it is worse than the Tories. It should be about ANYBODY doing it.
@marvinc9994
@marvinc9994 15 күн бұрын
Gotta love the hecklers screaming about 'unity', whilst causing disruption at a hitherto peaceful meeting! God, but they're so BORING!!!
@jackspring7709
@jackspring7709 13 күн бұрын
In fact those hecklers were exposed yesterday by Antifa Public Watch. They're all actors, just like the fake racist from last week: they appeared in the Ken Loach film 'The Old Oak'.
@michaelkelly9545
@michaelkelly9545 15 күн бұрын
First past the post is criminal
@mash83
@mash83 14 күн бұрын
So is brexit but apparently it's the will of the people..just like the voting system
@yourma2000
@yourma2000 13 күн бұрын
@@mash83 Brexit was fair. More voters voted to leave than to remain, it doesn't get fairer than that.
@mash83
@mash83 13 күн бұрын
@@yourma2000 same with the voting system
@yourma2000
@yourma2000 13 күн бұрын
@@mash83 Not the same at all. One is simple referendum with two options, the option with the majority of the votes wins. The electoral system has way more than two options standing in a constituency with candidates getting elected with less than 50% of the votes way too often. FPTP isn't fit for a country with as many parties as it has.
@henryburton6529
@henryburton6529 15 күн бұрын
Nah bro. Why would Labour vote to lose power?
@RJALEXANDER777
@RJALEXANDER777 15 күн бұрын
Labour above all is (ideally) supposed to represent the will and interests of the commoner.
@drcommonsense1
@drcommonsense1 15 күн бұрын
​@@RJALEXANDER777 and I'm sure the majority of the country voted for them... Labour holding the majority as they are is in the interest of the majority of voters
@janesansome8393
@janesansome8393 14 күн бұрын
​@drcommonsense1 no 9 million people voted for them for 400 plus seats reform got 4 million votes for 5 seats lib dems got 71 seats for half a million less votes than reform.
@1aatlas
@1aatlas 14 күн бұрын
@@drcommonsense1 there was a 60% turnout, of that 60% labour got about 35%. So, 80% of the potential electorate did not vote for labour.
@drcommonsense1
@drcommonsense1 14 күн бұрын
@janesansome8393 that how FPTP works. It's pretty fair on balance. The country being broken into constituencies is logical. I'm sure labour won't be changing the method to give up their power. That would be silly
@Mogojoegotube
@Mogojoegotube 14 күн бұрын
5 seats for a 6-week campaign is still incredible. I think reform was hard done for sure, but 5 seats are remarkable.
@Steven-vo4ee
@Steven-vo4ee 14 күн бұрын
Come off it, he’s been campaigning for 18 years as party leader of UKIP v1, 2 and now 3.
@trevaudio
@trevaudio 14 күн бұрын
One more seat than the greens ??? Sinn Fein got more seats than them. The media should stop platforming this idiot !
@paulhumphreys-gw3po
@paulhumphreys-gw3po 13 күн бұрын
power of the people, just imaging what we could achieve if we wasn't so divided
@Dogfacedbloke
@Dogfacedbloke 13 күн бұрын
@@Steven-vo4ee Sure, because Farage had no success with UKIP. No wait, he single-handedly took the country out of the EU...
@redbloodcell4047
@redbloodcell4047 13 күн бұрын
​@@paulhumphreys-gw3poYeah hopefully at the next election it'll be 0 seats for Reform
@pam732
@pam732 15 күн бұрын
We need a referendum to change it.
@xrp589baby
@xrp589baby 14 күн бұрын
id vote to change it. id vote yes. Labour are GLOATING but the reality is they didnt win...Conservatives just LOST. only 33% of vote DICTATING how 66% live is ridiculous
@mash83
@mash83 14 күн бұрын
We had one already.. let's have another vote on brexit in that case..
@xrp589baby
@xrp589baby 14 күн бұрын
@@mash83 DJ Khalid: "another one"
@WhateverMan35
@WhateverMan35 14 күн бұрын
We did and we rejected the alternative vote.
@johneastwood3039
@johneastwood3039 14 күн бұрын
@@mash83 We've had 2 on EU membership.
@kc_1018
@kc_1018 15 күн бұрын
UK should switch to a mixed-member proportional representation system. Voters get two votes: one to decide the representative for their single-seat constituency, and one for a political party. 325 seats elected through single-district constituencies using FPTP, while the other 325 seats elected through party-list proportional representation.
@trevaudio
@trevaudio 14 күн бұрын
Why not STV….the fairest system ?
@tfinde
@tfinde 15 күн бұрын
Everyone was quiet about this when Corybn was standing.
@keith8609
@keith8609 15 күн бұрын
Yes it is outdated and unfair
@1centimetre
@1centimetre 14 күн бұрын
Coming in second only means one thing-losers. No matter the system, it doesn't change that fact. 😂😂😂
@marilynranklin3220
@marilynranklin3220 15 күн бұрын
Voting system out of cell by date !
@drcommonsense1
@drcommonsense1 15 күн бұрын
Sell*
@trackingstupidity1
@trackingstupidity1 15 күн бұрын
The voting system must change, this is a disgrace!
@Khananewasright
@Khananewasright 15 күн бұрын
Well 34 percent dose not erqual over 60 perecen of seats
@microfarming8583
@microfarming8583 15 күн бұрын
Should have had over 90 seats
@MichaelJones-wh9cy
@MichaelJones-wh9cy 15 күн бұрын
Does the girl at 1:13 know who have been in power the last 14 years? 😂
@presidentxijinpingspoxdoct9756
@presidentxijinpingspoxdoct9756 15 күн бұрын
Even the Tories act like Labour-lite, so little wonder she is confused.
@Chalize
@Chalize 15 күн бұрын
Clacton looks like a chav town. This is the type of people he attracts.
@punchy1325
@punchy1325 15 күн бұрын
​@@Chalizetoff
@SandymoorFerrariClub
@SandymoorFerrariClub 15 күн бұрын
@@Chalize 3 out of the 4 constituencies that voted Reform are failing seaside 'resort' towns on the north sea. I grew up somewhere quite similar and the culture and understanding of how things work is massively different, particularly in that people there seem to have no idea of how to make money other than trying to sell souvenirs, burgers or alcohol to tourists.
@joecater894
@joecater894 15 күн бұрын
@@Chalize If a "chav town" then its due to failing tory and labour policy.
@davidoldboy5425
@davidoldboy5425 14 күн бұрын
He is absolutely correct, presently we are not a true democracy
@redbloodcell4047
@redbloodcell4047 13 күн бұрын
Apparently we were in 2016. Funny that.
@davidoldboy5425
@davidoldboy5425 13 күн бұрын
@@redbloodcell4047 Correct, no we weren't, nor the years before that.
@Xusemeh
@Xusemeh 15 күн бұрын
We need Proportional Representation!
@trevaudio
@trevaudio 14 күн бұрын
Which one though ??? No point keeping shouting PR ! Multi seat constituencies would be good too
@yourma2000
@yourma2000 13 күн бұрын
33% of the voters get 63% of the voice in the parliament whilst 14% get less than 1%? This disproportionate distribution of seats needs to stop now, replace the archaic FPTP with the Proportional Representation system.
@jezphipps142
@jezphipps142 14 күн бұрын
A confidence trickster who tells the empty headed what they want to hear.
@hcm444
@hcm444 14 күн бұрын
And the alternative parties are better? Tell me an honest leader please and I will vote for them.
@TheChubbySnail
@TheChubbySnail 14 күн бұрын
He resonates with people because he at least identifies problems people face in day to day Britain, unlike the archaic old boys clubs that are Labour Libs Tory. Isn’t being a voice for the people what politicians in a democracy are suppose to be?
@redbloodcell4047
@redbloodcell4047 13 күн бұрын
​@@TheChubbySnailFarage is straight out of the old boys club. The Reform party was set up by elitist individuals to dupe the working class into voting for their own demise, yet again. Policies which will directly harm people like those in Clacton, and reward those like Farage and Tice.
@theunexplainablecrumbs4387
@theunexplainablecrumbs4387 15 күн бұрын
Labour and the Tories will never want proportional representation because they'll lose out
@BILLVANNER
@BILLVANNER 14 күн бұрын
Just a couple of years ago, Starmer wanted a referendum because he wanted to get rid of 1st passed the post for PR.
@theunexplainablecrumbs4387
@theunexplainablecrumbs4387 14 күн бұрын
@@BILLVANNER Well now we'll see if he intends to change the system
@BILLVANNER
@BILLVANNER 14 күн бұрын
@@theunexplainablecrumbs4387 Not now that he is in no 10.
@HGSuper
@HGSuper 15 күн бұрын
He wants a european style of voting? 😂😂
@BILLVANNER
@BILLVANNER 15 күн бұрын
He wants a fair style of voting and bloody right. I am looking forward to seeing a good man back in the commons and also the pathetic, and often childish, insults which the left will throw at him. He has the country as the most important thing to fight for. Reform UK in 2029 or earlier.
@kroosgiro
@kroosgiro 15 күн бұрын
@@microfarming8583American is not fair at all. Their house elections are gerrymandered, their president is not elected by popular vote and there is also voter suppression issues.
@Britannia43
@Britannia43 15 күн бұрын
Instead of throwing low jabs why don't we recognise that our current system is flawed?
@Xusemeh
@Xusemeh 15 күн бұрын
​@@microfarming8583they already do lol
@microfarming8583
@microfarming8583 15 күн бұрын
@@Xusemeh they certainly don't have the first past the post system in America "lol"
@BugattiBoy01
@BugattiBoy01 14 күн бұрын
Look at countries in Europe with PR systems, they can never get anything done and the governments always collapse as they have to join with 7 different parties who never agree. FPTP is the best for the country
@madgavin7568
@madgavin7568 14 күн бұрын
FPTP sucks, and a government should never have too much power.
@trevaudio
@trevaudio 14 күн бұрын
Not true, European countries have arguably had way more successful governments than the uk !
@redbloodcell4047
@redbloodcell4047 13 күн бұрын
​@@trevaudioNot true.
@janpetersen7440
@janpetersen7440 15 күн бұрын
FPTP was probably excellent for horse racing but is not suitable as an electoral system.
@RJALEXANDER777
@RJALEXANDER777 15 күн бұрын
Its fine for a two party system, and having a majority one way or the other in a two party system prevents deadlocks. But we're seeing a major issue when it comes to a system with multiple popular parties.
@benadams8454
@benadams8454 15 күн бұрын
Good to see the tolerant "be kind" people out in force.
@jonathanj.7344
@jonathanj.7344 15 күн бұрын
Screaming out their favourite stupid name.
@void2772
@void2772 15 күн бұрын
Look up “the paradox of tolerance”
@Steven-vo4ee
@Steven-vo4ee 14 күн бұрын
Straw man claptrap
@ac_1349
@ac_1349 13 күн бұрын
In the words of your Lord Farage, why should we tolerate the intolerant?
@keithsewell8389
@keithsewell8389 14 күн бұрын
"First Past the Post" is an excellent way of racing horses, but an abysmal way of voting for representative legislatures.
@davidpierce7581
@davidpierce7581 14 күн бұрын
FPTP needs reforming
@Mark-kh1ny
@Mark-kh1ny 15 күн бұрын
Yes, it’s not representative of how we voted. Lagging behind as standard. Sort it out!!
@cubby8182
@cubby8182 13 күн бұрын
We do need PR.. but you'd be delusional to think he wants it to actually do anything good. He would mess this country up even more than the Tories ever could.
@robertdarcy6210
@robertdarcy6210 12 күн бұрын
There was a vote about this in 2011. "Get over it", right?
@TheDigitalBible
@TheDigitalBible 11 күн бұрын
Unfortunately no, there wasn't. There was a vote for AV, not PR. 🙄
@HKsolo-oq4sq
@HKsolo-oq4sq 14 күн бұрын
is he going to build more public toilets for Clacton?
@drcommonsense1
@drcommonsense1 15 күн бұрын
From the man who praised the Liz Truss budget as the best Tory budget in decades 😂😂😂
@carolegill2456
@carolegill2456 14 күн бұрын
Truth hurts the woke fools. Reform is our only hope to save our Country
@anatolydyatlov5196
@anatolydyatlov5196 14 күн бұрын
They're going to save the country with 5 seats?
@trevaudio
@trevaudio 14 күн бұрын
@@anatolydyatlov5196 At least they can car pool 😂
@creditelectric
@creditelectric 15 күн бұрын
The electoral system is one thing but the democratic process is far more effective if far more participated.60% participation rate is low & skews the result it is nothing to be proud of.
@1971efc
@1971efc 15 күн бұрын
No body votes in certain area`s because what would be the point in voting Green / LibDem or Tory in a Labour area as your vote is useless as is voting Labour in a Tory area is Useless -- This first past the post system is not fit for purpose any more in the modern age
@WhateverMan35
@WhateverMan35 14 күн бұрын
We had a referendum on this back in 2011 and nearly 70% of the votes opposed it.
@matthewcook9404
@matthewcook9404 11 күн бұрын
We had a Referendum in 2011 to consider an alternative voting system to First Past The Post. It was rejected by 67% of the electorate, and we must respect the result of that democratic vote. Forever. It’s the will of the people.
@adrianbew9641
@adrianbew9641 14 күн бұрын
Ive complained about our system since the late 1990s
@tomimpala
@tomimpala 14 күн бұрын
It's sad to see a pr system would lead to a rise in the right wing, but if that's democracy, so be it
@TheDigitalBible
@TheDigitalBible 11 күн бұрын
As it would also see a rise in the extreme left so it all balances out.
@David_Bower
@David_Bower 15 күн бұрын
He's wrong about everything else, but he does have a point here, even if it is entirely driven out of his own self interest.
@jonathanj.7344
@jonathanj.7344 15 күн бұрын
Lib Dems, Greens et al all support P.R. for their own interests. Don't pretend they don't.
@peace-now
@peace-now 13 күн бұрын
A PR system would mean more coalitions.
@yourma2000
@yourma2000 13 күн бұрын
Then so be it, I want my views represented in parliament as well as millions of other people do too.
@peace-now
@peace-now 13 күн бұрын
@@yourma2000 Fair enough. I also think PR is a better system.
@willohara227
@willohara227 15 күн бұрын
We had a referendum! He of all people should respect voters decision
@Anonymous-hz3zz
@Anonymous-hz3zz 15 күн бұрын
1) that was in 2011, people's minds have changed since 2) they mostly voted against the government rather than the electoral system
@David_Bower
@David_Bower 15 күн бұрын
+ 3) PR wasn't an option in the referendum
@tfinde
@tfinde 15 күн бұрын
​@@Anonymous-hz3zzpeoples minds have changed 🤣 = they don't like the result this time
@bobdarrick2628
@bobdarrick2628 15 күн бұрын
@@tfindefirst past the post is good. It prevents parties like Reform from having much of an influence.
@GM-gb1eu
@GM-gb1eu 15 күн бұрын
I've heard that from recent studies, less and less people are defending this system, so I think the UK should change it.
@weird_autumn42
@weird_autumn42 14 күн бұрын
broken clock is right once or twice a day unfortunately
@terryh5741
@terryh5741 13 күн бұрын
The Congolese Centre for democracy sends their congratulations to Labour for winning 1 in 5 votes to become the mandated government, and hopes they can work together in destroying England once and for all.
@abcde_5949
@abcde_5949 12 күн бұрын
There's never going to be any change about this because party that is in power is the one that is benefitting from it. Same in US, first past the post is an awful electoral system.
@grahamcraig1980
@grahamcraig1980 14 күн бұрын
364k votes away from being the official opposition
@nzr4699
@nzr4699 15 күн бұрын
Australia's preferential voting system is great. Nigel, look at that system !
@drcommonsense1
@drcommonsense1 15 күн бұрын
Nigel should be focusing on Clacton, not Kier Starmer
@trevaudio
@trevaudio 14 күн бұрын
@@drcommonsense1 That’s not going to happen though !!! Look at his record as an MEP
@jackspring7709
@jackspring7709 13 күн бұрын
By the way: those hecklers: they've been exposed by Antifa Public Watch: they're all actors, too - they were in Ken Loach's film 'The Old Oak'.
@PAB86
@PAB86 15 күн бұрын
2029 UK REFORM 💪
@buzz1867
@buzz1867 15 күн бұрын
More chance Newcastle winning owt 😂
@LowleyUK
@LowleyUK 14 күн бұрын
We live in a two party dictatorship which nobody actually supports. People only vote for labour or the tories to stop the other party winning. This system has to come to an end.
@ByddinRhyddidCymru
@ByddinRhyddidCymru 15 күн бұрын
We need a new electoral system, and a longer one, 6 weeks will never be enough for smaller parties & independents to garner enough support
@user-qd8bk5xh4w
@user-qd8bk5xh4w 14 күн бұрын
and media should support all parties and not be biased, giving every party fair coverage
@redbloodcell4047
@redbloodcell4047 13 күн бұрын
​@@user-qd8bk5xh4wwhich would mean not talking about Farage as much. Somehow he manages to suck in all the media attention.
@marleybarr
@marleybarr 15 күн бұрын
democracy should be based on fairness I think every vote should equate to how many seats a party has as that’s what a majority could want how is this even a question utterly failed system why most people don’t vote
@captainrex4723
@captainrex4723 14 күн бұрын
Then how would local issues get representation and attention, who would local councils liaise with?
@marleybarr
@marleybarr 14 күн бұрын
@@captainrex4723 that would have to be sorted when the new system is voted in more than likely the parties would have local representatives but just based on there vote count
@L_U-K_E
@L_U-K_E 12 күн бұрын
First past the post is incredibly outdated now.
@ronanmartin1990
@ronanmartin1990 13 күн бұрын
Outdated!?!? When was it ever a good system?
@georgehenderson5470
@georgehenderson5470 15 күн бұрын
Nobody wanted their candidates. End of. If we scrap first past the post, rural areas with small populations and different needs (such as Cornwall or Devon) won't get the same representation as areas with huge populations (like London or Greater Manchester). The system works, it's not perfect but it works.
@OrganisedMud
@OrganisedMud 15 күн бұрын
The only people who are represented under First Past the Post are the 1m-1.5m swing voters in the 150 or so marginal constituencies that decide every election. All policy in this country is designed to serve their interests, which is why so many people feel unrepresented.
@ses694
@ses694 15 күн бұрын
Proportional representation is not one system, these disadvantages are true for those where we vote for parties and assign seats based on that. More suitable systems for the UK that would still have constiuency MPs include those used by Ireland and Germany
@anatolydyatlov5196
@anatolydyatlov5196 14 күн бұрын
Nobody complained about the voting system when BoJo got his majority, funny that
@japfourme381
@japfourme381 15 күн бұрын
Nigel has been saying this for quite a few years now, about our Political system, and he’s absolutely right, it’s Protectionism of our Political System!!
@soniaspf9705
@soniaspf9705 14 күн бұрын
No he disagreed with the PR referendum in 2011 so changes his mind when it suits him
@IdleMegaPixel253
@IdleMegaPixel253 14 күн бұрын
@@soniaspf9705 Wasn't the referendum in 2011 a choice to move to AV instead? I always thought that was different to PR but I might be wrong.
@samuelsstuffyt
@samuelsstuffyt 14 күн бұрын
To be honest though, FPTP has ensured a stable political system and government throughout British history, as it usually always ensures strong majority governments and therefore a sense of accountability in the political system. No offence but people who are calling for PR do not understand how poor the track records of said systems are, pretty much every European country that uses PR (Germany, Belgium, Netherlands etc) have chaotic politics, nothing ever gets done, constant stagnation, little accountability and the need for multiple parties to join in coalition to form a small majority, which again means constant infighting and ineffective governments.
@clkbateman
@clkbateman 13 күн бұрын
Even labours Andy Burnham agrees with Nigel Farage and wants change to the voting system.
@Clyde7709
@Clyde7709 12 күн бұрын
No tax without representation
@Paul-ow8fh
@Paul-ow8fh 13 күн бұрын
PAUL🇬🇧They as to be more participation from the general public. Through referendums on Immigration, and these International bodies like UN, EU, NATO. These organisations have to much of a say in our lives ENOUGH.
@SamtheEnglishllad
@SamtheEnglishllad 12 күн бұрын
I disagree to Farage. UK is a complex and diverse country which means that imp decisions should be taken locally. Hence comes the first past the post. Farage himself regretfully cost us bloody brexit.
@colinaitken5090
@colinaitken5090 15 күн бұрын
The new chancellor gets inspiration from Janet Yellon and the foreign secretary is friends with Obama,what could possibly go wrong
@Omy_Per
@Omy_Per 12 күн бұрын
4 million votes = 4 seats 9.7 million votes = 412 seats 😂😂😂😂😂 No fringe political party will ever win an election in this form of electoral system.
@Matt.WHU.Rayney
@Matt.WHU.Rayney 14 күн бұрын
lol to the bird with the arm fat 😂😂😂😂
@WilliamLeeson1
@WilliamLeeson1 13 күн бұрын
Sooner the voting system is changed the better.
@john_g-2024
@john_g-2024 13 күн бұрын
we don't elect party's, we elect people, so it is completely irrelivent what a party's vote share is. if it is vote share then the biggest share of the vote was those who didn't want to vote for any of the cabdidates.
@henwood122
@henwood122 15 күн бұрын
Can we just do STV
@yourma2000
@yourma2000 13 күн бұрын
Sounds too much like AV which we rejected in 2011.
@robertfraser2478
@robertfraser2478 13 күн бұрын
Ridiculous a party can get 411 mps from 34% of the vote, labour could be a 1 term government's especially if cost of living doesnt improve
@theoschofield1495
@theoschofield1495 10 күн бұрын
Yes we have “been with labour so long” what 5 days 😂😂
@TrevorWilliams-fq8mg
@TrevorWilliams-fq8mg 14 күн бұрын
Been tried before. Anyone who is old enough will remember the David Owen/David Steele SDP alliance. Nigel Farage would say that wouldn't he, and right though he is it's not going to happen. Reform will have to do it the hard way which is going to take some time.
@kevinharker1840
@kevinharker1840 14 күн бұрын
Reform is needed and it's coming Sky news.
@lukeharrop4620
@lukeharrop4620 15 күн бұрын
Like labour will even give it a 2nd look
@clyde2598
@clyde2598 15 күн бұрын
Their conference voted for it a few years ago. It’s Starmer that isn’t allowing it.
@perspicasity
@perspicasity 15 күн бұрын
Labour literally committed to a referendum on reforming the voting system in the manifesto. When did the Tories do that?
@lilbaz8073
@lilbaz8073 15 күн бұрын
@@perspicasity when they had a referendum to change it and people voted no? About 12 years ago.
@teelo523
@teelo523 14 күн бұрын
I wouldn't mind if its replaced with a better system
@jordank249
@jordank249 15 күн бұрын
Yes. It is. It is stunning that people still defend this system only to admit that "lesser of two evils" is the BEST it can do.
@wtafootball4224
@wtafootball4224 14 күн бұрын
This is the only thing I agree with farage on. PR works very well in Ireland.
@trevaudio
@trevaudio 14 күн бұрын
They have the fairest, but most complex one…..single transferable vote. Nigel wouldn’t like that, because a party like reform would be transfer toxic. Ireland also has multi seat constituencies….a better system as well.
@wtafootball4224
@wtafootball4224 13 күн бұрын
@@trevaudio yes absolutely correct. The far right weren’t very transfer friendly in the recent European elections
@cobbler40
@cobbler40 15 күн бұрын
If Nigel Farage wants PR we will get PR.
@thomasoroarke7789
@thomasoroarke7789 14 күн бұрын
Its very hard to disagree with him
@Beyonder1987
@Beyonder1987 15 күн бұрын
Ironically Farage wants a european style electoral system 😂😂😂😂
@johneastwood3039
@johneastwood3039 14 күн бұрын
I see the irony but our argument for leaving the EU was never that Europe gets everything wrong. It was about sovereignty and border control.
@sarahknight5007
@sarahknight5007 15 күн бұрын
The establishment can't allow that as he well knows oil snakes man.
@Evemeister12
@Evemeister12 13 күн бұрын
People only complaining about FPTP because their beloved nigel makes noises about it.
@DavidGetling
@DavidGetling 13 күн бұрын
Those of us who aren't mathematically illiterate fully understand the absurdity and unfairness of the current system. Unfortunately in 2011 the dim-witted British electorate was given a chance to change it and refused to do so.
@yourma2000
@yourma2000 13 күн бұрын
No, we were offered an equally stupid voting system where a candidate that no-one chose as their first vote could become the MP. It was only fairer in the sense that no-one would be happy with the MP that they elected and if we had voted to adopt it then that would have snuffed out any efforts or calls for PR for many generations as the adoption of AV would have been seen as a progressive action taken by the people and "Why do we need to talk about PR when we just adopted this new system that the people wanted?". By not adopting AV we could at least say "We didn't vote to keep FPTP, we voted to reject AV." and still keep the cards on the table for a system change. That's why I voted against AV and I stand by m decision because now the talk of PR is flaring up again and the AV vote feels like a distant memory to people.
@isaacjohnson4123
@isaacjohnson4123 15 күн бұрын
I actually agree with Nigel for once.
@SoberOKMoments
@SoberOKMoments 15 күн бұрын
This man lied through his teeth to the UK voters about Brexit. One wonders why he now even gets a say about anything?
@aaropajari7058
@aaropajari7058 15 күн бұрын
Because he found a constituency with enough suckers to give him that right.
@PAB86
@PAB86 15 күн бұрын
No.. don't put tories failed EU withdraw on a guy who had no power over it. 5 PM's brexit had and not one of them had a clue how to deliver it. And for that reason none of them should have been in that roll.
@bradleywilson5641
@bradleywilson5641 15 күн бұрын
Remain said we would go bankrupt if we left
@TG-ts3xn
@TG-ts3xn 15 күн бұрын
What lies??
@darrylsimpson4744
@darrylsimpson4744 15 күн бұрын
@@bradleywilson5641 never mind what “remainer” said. What did leave say? Just 🔍 KZfaq “2016 referendum” and listen.
@0ihatetrolls01
@0ihatetrolls01 12 күн бұрын
AHahahhaaha now everyones mad about the voting system, but everyone was quiet when it benefited the tories?
@FionaJane-vc2tw
@FionaJane-vc2tw 13 күн бұрын
The system should change, but it will never give Farage a majorty because people are tired of toxic divisive politicians. France rejected Le Pen last night. 🎉🎉
@jonbarrebrammer4374
@jonbarrebrammer4374 14 күн бұрын
Actors in the room?
@jezphipps142
@jezphipps142 14 күн бұрын
Nigel wants PR? 😂 - No. He's more in favour of dictatorships than coalition goverments, FFS.
@ddddirge
@ddddirge 14 күн бұрын
Current Labour got the greatest seat/vote share ratio since the last Labour government and maybe ever since Middlesex still existed as a county Why would they change the voting system that benefits them the most? Even I doesn't like how FPTP works but since the ones that currently rules are the ones that benefited from it the most they won't change, maybw they're gonna make it more gerrymandered to benefit them more 😞😞😞
@pokeybit
@pokeybit 15 күн бұрын
Fast track the policies. Let's hope NHS and education on up top because damn.
@davidcanty6488
@davidcanty6488 14 күн бұрын
I'm a Reformer. If the voting system was changed to PR, how would it be decided which MP was chosen and which constituency they would manage? I personally believe this system would get in Islamic Extremists! Any ideas?
@MaestroPlaymaker
@MaestroPlaymaker 12 күн бұрын
Ohhhh shut up! This guy has fooled the British public and they’re still listening to him
@alanhowe7659
@alanhowe7659 14 күн бұрын
Well, he would, wouldn't he?
@user-bx3zy8gz7j
@user-bx3zy8gz7j 13 күн бұрын
sounds to me like he's just bitching cus he only won 4 seats
@sonofanarchy6628
@sonofanarchy6628 11 күн бұрын
It's undemocratic
@rolandrothwell4840
@rolandrothwell4840 15 күн бұрын
Farage is right about one thing only thing, and that's proportional representation
@howwhatwherewhen8758
@howwhatwherewhen8758 15 күн бұрын
big big electoral prize at 1:38
@macmiah5747
@macmiah5747 15 күн бұрын
Losers always want to change the rules 💀
@Liam-sz6xw
@Liam-sz6xw 15 күн бұрын
Just like the Winners always want things to stay the same.
@mps2112
@mps2112 15 күн бұрын
Proportional representation clearly favours the voting public. It means the populus is represented accurately in the commons (basic foundations of democracy) and less tactical voting. First past the post doesn't just negatively impact reform but other parties like the greens who got 6.8% of the popular vote but 0.6% of seats in the commons. Proportional representation would be a big step in the right direction for the democractic process and it's time we ditch first past the post.
@macmiah5747
@macmiah5747 15 күн бұрын
@@mps2112 I understand your point but politics is dirty business. Farage would not be for change if Reform won the election
@microfarming8583
@microfarming8583 15 күн бұрын
Government bot alert ⚠️ 📢 🚨
@Britannia43
@Britannia43 15 күн бұрын
Both Reform and Green party are suffering the consequences of the FPTP system. It is clearly outdated and the alternative of a proportional representation of the vote is clearly the more democratic approach. We have to put our own political views aside and recognise this to prevent us from staying as a 2 party state where nothing truly changes!
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