I burst out laughing, it was so much fun. When they figured out it was R+L=J a few seconds later it was cathartic.

The live chat was hilarious with everyone giving jon a different name 😂

i was like NOOOOUUUUUUU when she said Jon is Baratheon xDD

I had to minimise on my phone because I found it difficult to concentrate. It was funny though!

Is there a chat replay? I want to see! Also, yeah this series has so many names, no one blames you for not knowing. But read that book behind you and it will be easier!

I realised recently that I think it is also to show that in that moment he could have revealed the truth about Jon because it may well have been his last chance, but as he most likely still feared for Jon's safety, he didn't. Which, as you said, he put his family before all else.

They also show his conversation with Varys. Ned would rather die than dishonour his house but as soon as it comes down to his children he accepts the worst fate he can think of. He would gladly die for his kingdom, he would only ever compromise what he believes is right for his family.

i thought it was cus in reality not only her children, but he needed to keep his promise to his sister, so he sacrificed his honor in the public eye, to keep his true honor

@@matth1589 I think the wording is important here. In the eyes of Ned, Honor and doing the right thing often had an overlap, but especially in the case of Jon, there wasn't. Even if it dishonored his house and himself for taking on Jon as a bastard, it was the *right* thing to do

@@TehIdiotOne Exactly.

Perfect comedy timing, I don't think it could have been written better.

It was funny but did hurt me a little bit inside 😂

I picture thousands of people facepalming simultaneously.

SolidSnake8295 dumbest thing I’ve heard all year.

Lol it was so good! When they saw the cut from baby Jon to Jon now and did their initial freak out I had to rewind it right away and rewatch that moment over and over, I did that 5 or 6 times giggling each time. Then I finally allowed it to play through and Nikki says that and I'm like, Seriously?? LOL it was so good!

@Eddie LM i think i watched an interview with D&D and they said they told him before the whole thing even started filming because they wanted him specifically for the role

George told him, season GRRM said he told each cast member a secret about their character, but said he swore them to secrecy. I think he had to tell sean bean before the goodbye, the emotion in his eyes both in that scene and and before when Cat was being a hateful B**** to him when he told coma bran bye. Sean felt neds pain and conflict. Benjen knew. Just the things he was saying and the sparkle in his eye everytime he had seen jon before he disappeared. He loved his sister. My biggest question is does anyone think Aemon knew, and that's why he always had Jon's back? And that's why he marked the passage in the jade compendium for jon to read and why he gave jon the same advice as Egg

Yeah... him tearing up when he was talking to Jon about his mother... Such wonderful acting and given the knowledge.. I dunno if for book readers that it was already known who his mother was but if it wasn't, that is definitely an Alan Rickman "I know something you don't" to the director moment. It's so tragic that Ned never got to tell Jon, and thus tell Lady Stark. So she died believing that her noble husband was unfaithful.

Sean Bean was brilliant. One of the best actors ever

@@jerimeyperry3282 howland reed probably knew as well since he was at the tower with ned

Great comment! XD

He got confused and had sex with his aunt 😂😂

@@olivagulabjan9 Who is also younger than him.

Also Catelyn Tully was supposed to marry the uncle that was strangled, but ended up marrying Ned instead in his place.

No she should have apologized. I mean she said that with not a single hint of doubt and sheer confidence. I have watched hundreds of reactions on that moment and not one had ever said Baratheon.

@@prettyteeth Who cares what other people have done? She didn't need to apologize for anything!!!

@@prettyteeth okay so then you stopped watching their reaction immediately after that. Cool.

N B Good news for you, you don't have to watch. Nikki and Steve are the best. They spend time breaking everything down and figuring stuff out. Nikki figured it out 10 seconds after she said it. Hell I've got a buddy who thought that episode was implying that Ned slept with his sister. It wasn't that cut and dry pal

It amazes me how much all these pretentious cunts. Pretending to be so smart. When they have read all the theories and had YEARS in between the start of the series until that reveal. It's just disgusting how some try to pretend they are so much smarter than others over a tv show or book. That apparently is their life smh .

apparently Littlefinger knew or atleast suspected something...Maybe not Jons parentage but he must have known about Rhaegar anand Lyanna being togheter willingly because of that smirk.

yes, it was kinda known or at least a very well known ruomor, but the victors write history and robert couldn't accept it. so the "official" story is that she got kidnapped

I doubt book Littlefinger knows anything more than what the commonfolk know about Lyanna. Maybe the show was trying to hint that Littlefinger had already put two and two together. I don't know.

EDIT: MODS THIS COMMENT IS A SPOILER I get from the look on his face that he knows there was affection there and that Lyanna ran away with Rhaegar willingly, but that's all he knows.

@@aussiejed1 hit enter a few times under just your spoiler warning and the rest will go under a read more so the mods don't delete out the whole thread because they can't delete replies in the comments, only the original comments.

she did have interest in "lady like persuits" she just didnt want to do JUST those things

In the beginning of the first book, I forget whose POV it was, I think Arya's, but it's noted that she and Jon both look like Ned while all the other Stark kids look Tully. (They really fell down on that in the show.) Then Ned has a chat with Arya and is like hey, you look like Lyanna. Blink and you'd miss it and the logical conclusion is that if Arya and Jon look alike and Arya looks like Lyanna... There you go.

@@urthboundmisfit The show isn't the books. You can't use the books for the show, they are vastly different and have different lores.

Yup... straight up... no "technically" about it. 😂🤣🤐😬

@RheyaRu!z they literally got it themselves and you are upset because you think they should have not gotten it. You cannot dictate whether or not someone got something because you feel like they shouldn't have.

There’s no technicality about it. She’s Jon’s aunt.

@twosquirrelly that makes absolutely no sense. It being written down in a family tree does not matter. If your mom has you with your dad and then cheats on your dad and has a baby with someone else, are you not related to that baby? It's not written down on a piece of paper so you can only think that you're related you can't automatically know that you're related because you have the same mother? You have to have it written down on a piece of paper in a family tree style in order for it to be your sibling? Being a bastard literally does not change who he shares blood with. They don't need to be added to family trees, even though they are in all of the Targaryen family trees, to be blood related to someone. They aren't fully blood-related, but they are blood related. So, no one needs to be legitimised in order for benjen to be Jon's uncle before the reveal of e10 Jon doesn't need to be legitimized in order for lyanna and rhaegar to be his parents and Dany to be his aunt by blood. Rhaegar is still his dad and rhaegar is still Dany's brother therefore, regardless of being a bastard or not Danny is still is Aunt and Jon is her nephew by blood, Not by a piece of paper. Regardless, your entire theory is thrown out the window because Jon is a bastard and in season 1, Robb calls him his brother, Arya calls him his brother, Benjen calls him his nephew. According to you, they can't do that because they're not related because he's not on a family tree. Nikki and Steven cannot figure out blood relations because it's not on a piece of paper in family tree Style? What does that even mean?

I did not mean to spoil or upset anyone. I made the honest mistake of commenting before the video ended. Was excited to see this reaction because I love these two. Sorry I got all game of thrones dorky.

Great comment. You guys should also check out this vid regarding Ned's dream from the book : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/brqGdauXqtivh30.html

The tower of joy exchange was a great tip-off! Dude leaves his best fighter to guard a tower far from the war, so you know it's gotta be something important. Combined with the "Robert can't know" whispered by Lyanna, they pretty much seal it. So good!

@@rafetizer The Tower of Joy exchange in the books is what confirmed everything for me. Dayne, Hightower, & Whent are the finest KG left & the closest to Rhaegar. That they stayed at the TOJ in their capacities as KG is the key: only legitimate royalty commands them. They only protect legitimate royalty. Dayne says it to Ned straight out: "The Kingsguard does not flee - we swore a vow." BOOM. Doesn't matter how much they loved Rhaegar personally or what he asked them to do before he died; the KG would not refrain from protecting Rhaegar in battle or Viserys at Dragonstone unless person(s) of EQUAL legitimacy & importance needed them more. The KG would not & did not remain to protect the mistress and/or bastard of a dead Prince, no matter how much they loved him. Dayne's final words to Ned always give me chills: "I wish you good fortune in the wars to come." Dayne knew 2 things for sure: he & the KG had to eliminate any possible witnesses to what was in the tower. And that no matter who survived, Jon's existence would create a war. This war would rage either within Ned internally, or externally and therefore across the 7 kingdoms. Either way, there would be great conflict. Robert wouldn't be the only person wanting Jon dead; the massively wealthy, connected, & powerful family of his new queen would too. Tywin & Jaime had both just demonstrated they were 100% willing to kill Targaryens, including any wives, children, & heirs. Hell, Cersei alone would do it; her reasons for hating Lyanna ran deep. Cersei dreamt of & expected for years she'd marry Prince Rhaegar, but ended up with King Robert. Both of the men she desired desperately loved someone else: Lyanna. And Lyanna knew it up to her last, terrified breath. Makes the scenes at TOJ so much sadder once you realize the full picture & it's implications.

@@xajaso Also, not once did Ned ever talk ill of Rhaegar. If one is to believe the kidnap and rape story, Ned would have plenty of reasons to dislike the Targaryens.

@@lambowolf Good point! His POV chapters in the 1st book (AGOT) reveal his torment & worry for Jon & his painful memories of Lyanna's final moments. His only fleeting thoughts about Rhaegar indicate he bore the man no ill will - extraordinarily odd if Rhaegar kidnapped & raped his beloved sister, inadvertently causing her death, the deaths of their father & brother, and tens of thousands of people in Robert's Rebellion. Add to this his distaste for and refusal to take part in Robert's campaign to kill the last Targaryens; again, odd if he believes Rhaegar destroyed his family.

Great comment, thank you! I also want to emphasize that harboring a "dragonspawn" might have even be considered treason in the eyes of Robert, because any Targaryen kid (even being a bastard) might in the future raise armies to claim back the throne. There was a big line of Targaryen bastards (the Blackfyres) who provoked several horrible wars in the past claiming their right to rule, so that kind of "King's blood" is very dangerous to the "Usurper". That's why Rhaegar's children were killed and Robert wanted to kill Viserys and Danerys. Ned protected Jon's secret for all those years, because he promised Lyanna, and because he loved that boy, but he also was protecting himself and Cat and his real biological children, because if it was discovered he would have been considered a traitor... and all hell would have broken loose for his family (as it kind of happened anyway).

mrSnoty speak for yourself, I wasn’t waiting for shock/confusion. I wanted Jon to be confirmed to be a targaryen and lyannas son

It's litterally after that episode that I had this reveal about Jon. I was like, "what? maybe there's something more to it?" ...and well, the show is helping here, you have 2 really different pov about Rhaegar (from Sansa and from Barristan) in the same episode, which raises some questions haha

Which is weird because there is absolutely no way Littlefinger could know about what really happened between Rhaegar and Lyanna.

@@zTheWizard Not that weird. The throne has been conquered by Baratheons with the Starks' help. So people take their pov as the truth (history books are written by winners after all). But if you look a little further, you'd learn or remember that Rhaegar was honorable and loved by many. With that knowledge - and we all know that Littlefinger is very fond of knowledge ;) - it's not very hard to make hypothesis that there may be more to the story Robert told everyone.

Richard Lucas Littlefinger pretty much knows everything just like Varys.

@@Lunelaya you can assume that *maybe* people would think that Rhaegar didn't kidnap and rape Lyanna based on the love towards him. But there is no way to know the truth. It doesn't matter if Littlefinger is smart, he is not omniscient.

Was that Tommen, perchance?

The Internet is Hell. Didn't you know?

@Age Of The Witch Can they do two part videos of every episode in season 7? Since it has only 7 episodes and the story progresses faster there also it's the LAST season ATM.

@@kevin1233803 I would love to see 2 parts for all Episodes except the first one wasn't a long enough Episode to be done in two parts , however it all depends on Steven he is doing an amazing job as it is so it would be insensitive if we demand it am sure he will if he can and has the time , he ALWAYS listens and reads requests and cares about making them happen for you guys*

@@ChefNourhan Agreed. Also I'm seriously considering supporting them via Patreon and as a bonus, they also have extended reactions there, so it's a win-win scenario. But thank you so much for answering my question

She is so beautiful. And that shirt is so freakin' cute!!!

Same here

I saw it in my subscription and it was like I became the flash lol

Holy shit I almost had a stroke.

@@Saibachick R+L=J has been the one thing I always click on. My 100% click bait since I found Westeros.org and R+L=J I think it was V18-20. Jon has been my favorite since my first read through.

@@jerimeyperry3282 I love seeing reactors get up to 6x10 then watch R+L=J and watch them revisit then see how amazingly well told that story is. It's definitely my favorite GOT reaction type video as well.

I know right!! Look behind you!! Stark and targarean blanket and Jon funko in between them!!

#Perfect

Actually the big reaveal in season seven, of which you are referring is something else entirely. GOT always intended this as the full reveal of Jon's parentage. They even put out a family tree, explicitly stating who Jon's father was after the season 6 finale. NO SPOILERS HERE.

RheyaRu!z The show reveals that Rhaegar is his Dad in the Season 6 finale. The only people who don’t think that are conspiracy nuts who ignore facts. HBO literally released a family tree after the episode “confirming” it. But if I was a mod, I would remove your spoilery comment that something else about it (not that his father his Rhaegar, which again, you are told in 610) being revealed in S7.

They're def caught up. They should also do both of the Honest Trailers

@@jmacmall ohhh those are good.

Save all of those supplemental GOT videos until after they've completed season 7. That way they'll have GOT content to tide us over with until season 8 drops.

YES YES YES! i really need them to see this one. As well as Westerosi Rhapsody if it's past the spoiler way

All the related videos after season 7

Hogwarts Reacts didn't know either. Because she was reacting with people who had already seen the show, she was able to watch the R + L = J video immediately after the Tower of Joy scene. Coincidentally, she does the "mind blown" gesture like Nikki.

Richard Hassler - Oh, I’ve never watched that channel. Thanks for the info!

I highly recommend it. It's a little different dynamic than most, because for the first six seasons, everyone except Hogwarts has seen the show, and knows what's going to happen. Season 7 is more of a true group reaction.

Richard Hassler - I’ll watch the Tower of Joy episode right now, it’ll probably be a while before I can watch other reactions from the beginning. These two are like my 6th or 7th reactors lol

Oh!!! I have watched her before! I watched Red Wedding and a few other big moments, including some s7 episodes. Yeah I love her! Thanks for reminding me lol

WTD Productions the time for what? FOR YOU TO BECOME ME !

_"The time has come."_ To say fair's fair?

Exactly! Only people, who have thought every single possible theory beforehand, would not be confused at some point. And who cares if u say some name wrong? Only a very annoying nerd would seriously complain about something like that.

@RheyaRu!z how many times do Nikki and Steve need to say that rhaegar's the father before you quit treating them like they're stupid. You wanted them to not get it and now you are upset because they got it. They got it at the reaction, they got it before even watching this video, they got it and you are upset about it. You wanted them to not get it and you have been upset about them getting it since yesterday because you think they should have not gotten it. you are trying to dictate how another person's brain works because of how you *feel*

Exactly, The theories and in chock ramblings were hilarious...and that is what makes reactions funny and not all the same.

I have heard this theory also but Cateyn is no near Jon in the books. Some people believe it is Sherry (Stannis's daughter who going be burn to bring Jon's back to life.)

@RheyaRu!z good thing that they made the decision themselves on what to do with their own KZfaq channel and did not let the comment section sway them. They made this choice, not us. Quit being upset because KZfaqrs decide what to do with their own KZfaq channel.

probably more maybe like when the wife cheats and the husband pretends to go out and cheat

I think after the end of the show, if she is still alive. She'll go to Braavos and truly become No One, for some reason i believe that is her destiny.

mickys333 nooooo, worst ending ever. With Cersei hopefully dead, she should put her assassin days behind her and stay with her family, assuming anyone survives.🤞

Well I don't think Jon has any interest sitting on any throne either...he didn't choose to be "King in the North". Oh and BTW Arya is described in the book as being most alike (both in appearance and her character) to Lyanna and it's said she also bears most resemblance to Jon of all Ned's children....this is one of the key links for ppl who were reading the books to come up with the "theory" about Jon's true parentage. Jon and Arya were also very close to each other as well...she was with him more than with her other siblings.

Ben Kohlmeyer agreed. Overpowered super ninja assassin in less than 1 year Arya is a great character :)

@@Nandrall18-25 GoT doesn't do happy endings my friend we all know that. Either that's what happens and Jon ends up on the Iron throne or he dies (or both of them do) and somebody else will sit on the throne. Either way I think Sansa will end up as Lady of Winterfell and Arya won't be staying in Westeros or at least at Winterfell. It definitely will be a bittersweet ending.

Loredana Sporeanu She still wished death upon a baby. Awful woman.

I have a sneaky feeling Benjen knows. He hugs Jon a lot...and only Jon out of all Neds 'children'.

Well I think it would only work if catelyn believed it too. She probably would have loved her nephew and kept the secret but it would be too close a relationship with Jon being a bastard. He needed to be treated as a bastard by his wife. Ned had to be paranoid about anyone finding out and he loved his sister more than Cat at the time, she was a stranger. I bet he wanted to tell her over the years but decided against it. I wish Ned had gotten the chance to tell Jon the truth.

howland reed knows

Lucy Matthews Everyone that was at the Tower of Joy knows. That includes Jojen Reeds father (The kid that sees the future and was helping Bran)

Of course the father was Rhaegar, the fuck? Why would there be Targaryen Kingsguard guarding Lyanna if the father was anyone else? It's literally obvious if you pay attention.

This thread will probably be deleted because it's going against what the Mods (the self-proclaimed queens/kings of the commenting world) want. But here goes anyway.... *Tom Thontor* I wasn't directed or lead into any theory when it came to this show when I watched it the first time thru, up to season 5. During the wait for season 6, I started reading the books. I hadn't gotten past the 3rd book, before the season 6 started (I'm not a slow reader, I just was reading other books in-between, and I have a life outside of GoT/asoiaf). Anyway...my point is, I wasn't spoiled by anyone else's theories, and so I came up with my own. I won't bother to share it here, but it's not Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon (and not the other popular alternative either - N+A=J, but I always give kudos to the Order of the Green Hand for coming up with a sound theory of their own - like me.) For that reason alone, I don't like that the mods spoon-fed this theory to Nikki & Steven. I wish they were given the chance to wait till after they've seen the whole show, to come up with their own theory, and share it with us. That would have been more real & spontaneous, IMO. *Rheya Colon* Even tho I don't approve in this hive minded theory, I still 👍all your comments, because I do think they should have at least waited to watch this video after the S7 bigger reveal. *Chimbles907* You asked, "Why would there be Targaryen Kingsguard guarding Lyanna if the father was anyone else?" Well, because - and only because - they were friends of Rhaegar, and I believe Lyanna was a friend too. But they shouldn't have been there in the first place, because they are *Kings* Guards,* and should have been with the *KING.*

And his other grandfather was burned alive by the Mad King. (In case you thought Sansa's engagement to Joffrey was the most screwed-up relationship on the show.)

@@akalion213 maybe one of the weaker Seasons, but its still very good for the most part.

Are you serious? Season 7 is probably the worst season in the entire show. That's not just my opinion, if you know anything about movies and shows, you'd that season 7 was really bad. Bad dialogue, ridiculous story, uncountable plot holes and the characters completely changed and everything they've done till now means nothing. Take Tyrion for example. He didn't do a single thing in the season except talking do Cersei in episode 7. Only Jon and Dany were important but I think they are the least complex characters in the show so it got boring.

@@akalion213 S7 is mixed. Some rather slow episodes, some good and one or two spectacular, jump-out-of-your-seat moments. Let's see how Nikki and Steven react to it.

Totally the opposite... Lot of action but.....it is not a good season. Yes,the episodes were longer but, they felt like from a different show, rushing through the story lines. How long we waited for Arya's story and Dany's at Mareen(spelling) to be over and complete?. Yet, on season seven, ( not a spoiler ) something is brought to King's Landing from up north in a matter of two episodes.Really?? They pushed the story line, and they did it horribly.

@@kledi3817 Most of the bad things happen in Episode 6, And i agree that this Episode has bad writing and stupid plotholes. BUT Episode 1,2,3,4,5 and 7 are very good. And i disagree that the Story is bad. Its a bit rushed yes, but its not bad. In my opinion its still a very good Season with some annoying flaws. But we shouldnt forget that D&D are not G.R.R.M. They dont have 10 years to write a Season. Got will never be as good as in the first 4-5 Seasons. Its impossible without Martins books.

But they have been spoiled by watching this video. The R+L=J reveal comes at the end of season 7.

BS

@@sophiawilson8696 its true

Her*

@@mikalero did you just assume its* gender

Both when they finish season 7!!

Nikki, I think you should scan your notes and share them in a blog. I am soooo interested in what they say. My curiosity is boiling!!!

I think they should watch this too!

Or you could just read the amazing books which are infinitely better than the show.

One of the best GoT scenes ever. And there is actually a reason why Ned delays it until the next time. In that point he knows that next time they see each other, Jon will be sworn brother of the Night's Watch. And by that renounced of all titles and claims. So, then, it will be safe for him to know the truth as he is no longer a threat to Robert's claim.

To me 4 was just as good...i think got ended when Tyrion killed Tywin on the crapper.

yes,but they dont

@@dymektrejo2647 Rhaegar was disowned by Aerys though, making Viserys his heir and cancelling any claims any of Rhaegar's children might have on the throne...

Shadman Sisam when Rhaegar died, Aerys made Viserys the heir, completely passing over Rhaegar's entire line of succession (as Aegon should have been the next in line). Viserys then chose Daenerys as his heir. But it's all moot anyway because neither Jon nor Daenerys can inherit the throne since it used to belong to the Baratheons (is Cersei still considered a Baratheon? Idk) and the only heir there is Gendry. If the Targaryens want the throne, they have to take it by force.

Do you think that Ned told Benjen? It would make sense if he did. Benjen and Leanna were close as per Bran’s visions. It would really suck if Benjen didn’ Know because I think Ned would have trusted his Brother.

@@douglasbarrera951 Unsure. It's possible. Something is up with Benjin though, why did he join the Night's Watch to begin with? Was it before or after the death of the elder brother? That whole...not much left for the third son to do so "may as well" type of thing going on? Or is there something else going on? The only one that knows the truth (that we know of) Is Howland Reed.

RheyaRu!z there’s nothing wrong with suggesting videos to them as long as theres no spoilers

Jay S Agreed, The white wolf is emotionally, the best and most powerful Jon Snow compilation video there is!!

It's completely shit. Jon's snows Character sucks

Wish the author would finish the books!!

@@RachelG1979 he probably will in like 6 or 7 years xD

@@RachelG1979 I'm sure it'll be well worth the wait regardless. I'm just happy I got practice trying not to impatiently wait for Harry Potter lol. Now I look back and I'm like thank you JK Rowling thank you for not taking nearly as long I'm sorry that I was ever impatient.

@@iloveyourunclebob I say its 15 to 20 years before we get the the final book. The show giving us a sense of an ending is great, we'll probably forget about it the rest, so it'll be awesome when he adds the next book. So much more going on that HBO doesn't get to give away. plus there's a prequel coming so that'll be fun.

@@RachelG1979 I think Winds of Winter is looking at 2019/2020 so we can at least hope that some of these questions get answered in the next book. I really kind of hope that he reveals Jon's parentage in the next book so that the fandom doesn't have to go another 15-20 years arguing about R+L=J or the order of the greenhand theory.

Gita Colon How is this any different than going back and reviewing past episodes to figure things out? Give me, and them, a break.

Right

Yeh Robert only got the throne after the rebellion because his grandmother was a Targ