It's absolutely none sense, but you do have to be careful. Brands these days, sometimes, and particularly Canon or Nikon, tend to abandon certain bodies if they're not successful enough. I'm not seeing this happening anytime soon with this body or any recent ones, but it's a thing. These 3 brands, Sony, Canon and Nikon, they're not going to die, and it's even less likely in the camera market. The cameras, they've gotten so good in terms of image quality that, when you hear for example, you're in a disadvantage regarding DR in this or that situation, and then you see the image, it's like, it's practically the same. What do you mean by disvantage? It's actually pretty funny. On the other side, the toxicity that you mention it's real, but you shouldn't have to feel bad about your purchase, it the camera produces what you need, who cares? I prefer Sony for example, but because I started with their camera back with the first SLTs, cameras that I truly love by the way, especially the articulated screens. But, no one really cares, only extreme fanboys. So, go out, enjoy the camera and keep shooting mate. Have a good day.

Focus on making photographs, not the gearheads who spend more time arguing online over gear. Your mental state will thank you for it.

I agree. I purchased the Z6 on release day, after visiting my local camera store and holding it in my hands. I’ve never experienced any of the complaints I kept hearing about. The main thing to remember is that a lot of these KZfaqrs aren’t real photographers so they require a system to be dummy proof. That’s why I enjoy this channel, because these 2 guys aren’t dedicated fanboys. They really give you the facts from an unbiased user perspective.

I'm not so sure - Nikon seems to struggle to get products to their customers - and it's not just because it's the chip shortage. That's the biggest risk to their bottom line.

@@richrollin4867 I can honestly say that I’ve never had any issues getting products from Nikon until Covid and the chip shortage hit. I’ve shot with Nikon for almost 20 years and have purchased 10 bodies (7 dslr, 3 mirrorless) and 18 Nikon lenses, majority of which were either preordered or bought on release week without any delays. I also shoot Sony and they have suffered as well with the chip shortage, so it’s not just affecting Nikon.

Check out Seattle in the summer and you'll sing a different tune. But only in the summer.

@@genjii931 Been in WA for 29 years. Summers are even dodgy.

The 2.0 is a new camera so that doesn't count.

When you love to use something... It show's.. ❤️🙌🏼

@@Azeemmerchant lots of love

Hi is Z9 a good choice for taking photos in black and white?

Glad to hear this. I’ve been dying to see more wedding and portrait photographers reviews of the camera. I think we’ve had enough of wildlife examples 😂

@@flashspotlight i am angry no company is reliasing superzoom camera now i am not pro i love point and shoot but now there are hardly any new point and shoot camera

@@flashspotlight haha you‘re right! 🤣 I was also suprised … it can also handle other genres 😅 even without birds, deers or soccer ^^ If your interested i can write down a few thoughts … ?!

Jared Polin would not like to hear this. If Nikon doesn’t pay him, he don’t like it…

@@importantsomeone153 point & shoot r dead. No companies r gonna release a new PS camera anymore. Use your iPhone

Sony a1 and (former) a7IV owner, here. If it's anything like what Sony's done with those two cameras, you'll be well off with the less expensive options when those features do trickle down. Flagships are for those that want zero compromise and don't mind paying the early adopters fee. Anyone that buys the later, more affordable models will likely benefit from all the bugs / expense the early adopters went through. Good luck!

It won’t happen because of the sensor - the z9 is something new, so it’ll be a z8 or z70 … new model. I expect anyway

Yes exactly. If they could make a video focused model, like a ZV6 or something with a lower megapixel sensor, and with much less "sharpening" on the image, and modes to create cinematic footage without the harsh Z6 "over sharpening." And if they could just put the same auto-focusing style algorithms and chip design on a smaller camera, it would be a less expensive alternative to the Sony A7 III.

Stop saying I can’t and start saying I can … I don’t like when people say I can’t change your vocabulary

Jason, talk to me. I almost moved to Sony (and have several friends that did or moved to the R5). I'm just curious why you switched back (Have another friend that did the same thing). Specifically, I'm interested in the things that you felt were so important as to make that expensive switch (Video?).

​@@dance2jam I actually wrote an article on just that. There were three reasons and all are subjective. 1. The Sony Files: They were different than what I was used to with Nikon. The best way to explain it is with a sing word. I felt the Sony's were "clinical". I was able to achieve the end result I was looking for so really it wasn't a reason as much as a contributor. 2. Ergonomics: I have big beefy hands and when shooting the Sony all day I would walk away with blisters and sore spots on my hands. Still, I thought the buttons were well placed and very customizable. 3. Sentimentality: I started on the Nikon F100 waaaay back in the film days. Nikon was just what I was used to. Everything was familiar. This all said I don't think anyone could go wrong with any of the big three and even Fuji if it is what you like. They all make great cameras. So, find the one that makes you want to get out and shoot or provides you with options you might not otherwise have for the type of photography you do. Hope this helps... If you want to read what I wrote last year it might provide some insight: www.eldridgephoto.com/articles/2021/3/1/there-and-back-again

@@jasoneldridgephotography Of course I'll read what you wrote Jason, and thanks for the response. I'm not down on any brand, but I like learning about what people feel the limitations are on any product (and realize things change). So two of my friends that switched back to Nikon: One - couldn't keep the sensor clean on the Sony cameras and did time lapse for major brands (stuff they put on their TV displays) or construction companies. Second friend: Said portraits /skin tones were never correct, shots were clinical, and if not shot at base ISO revealed wrinkles more than other brands because of the tonality. Not sure I really have that last part correct. The only digital SLR I've used was Nikon, so I was curious. Thanks for providing the link.

@@dance2jam absolutely, hopefully something in there will help.

@@dance2jam I love my Sony A1 with the 35-150. I also have the 150-600 and a couple others. Sony a1 i think will be the top camera for a while still. I think it is so advanced that there's no need to upgrade. The af alone is far more superior and now with the new af and video firmware update I'd say its extremely hard to beat. If your pictures are not turning out with either camera it's the photographers error. Even in most literature and real world reviews sony af among other things keep coming up on top. With unbiased reviewers ofcourse. I think the Sony is a little power house and if you need that extra grip you can put it on. You don't have to carry that extra weight especially when your hiking taking pics of wildlife and you have one of those huge lenses to capture your subjects. Plus with it's compact size it's more versatile so you can use it with most gimbals. If we're talking about serious videography that's huge plus. You dont have to spend more money for a larger gimbal plus all the add-ons you would use with a cage. This compact size would help keep the weight down which people dont realize how cumbersome these all that can be. So that compact body is perfect.The Sony a1 body alone is extremely versatile. And don't forget Sony makes sensors for most of these cameras including Nikon. So where would Nikon be without Sony tech. As for working in the dark i don't need gimmicks to get the job done. It's called muscle memory. It's not hard to memorize the buttons. Plus all the third-party lenses. Nikon to call this it's flagship i think is a huge error considering the z8 is rumored to come out.I just think people like to jump on the next new not necessarily the best thing. No loyalty imo.

Jared Polin is the “game changer” photography has been waiting for. Jared Polin has changed photography from a fundamental level!

THIS is just it, the comparisons to other manufacturers are almost all made with native glass for Sony and Canon. The new Z400 TC is a killer combo! Jared knows this. But wait there is more. Although the 800 PF is out and is fantastic..... Nikon has yet to drop a Z 300mm, Z 500mm and a Z 600mm lenses. Many feel that Nikon will not release....don't be fooled All the great Nikon F/4 and F/5.6 BIG ASS GLASS will be released in time. Stay patient my friends the wait will be worth it!

We will see about that - they haven't been out long enough (and need more evaluation) but you might be correct (still waiting on the 600mm f/4). You probably should be hoping on a D500 replacement Z camera that perhaps is 24 to 32 megapixels with some trickle down tech (and I'm sure that will be able to shot 30 fps raw). Look out HDs all over the world.

Lots of people talk about the potential for all the Z9 technology to trickle down into other cameras in the future line up. Some of it will but it is worth remembering that only a some of the technology will make it into smaller cameras. The flagship cameras are in a different league. They offer more customisation, more capable video, bigger battery, faster burst rates, more focussing choices, more programs and quick changes in set up. There is a lot of technology in the Z9 and not all of it will make it to the Z6iii or Z7iiii / Z8. What would your feature list actually include (in order of priority)? What could you live without if the first 4 on your list were the only bit of technology to make it?

@@Gr1ff1D0 My number 1 priority in Z7iii/Z8 is image quality (dynamic range and color depth). I know that means adding a physical shutter and that is totally okay for me. In essence it would be the equivalent mirrorless of the D850. Next is ISO performance. Third is autofocus tracking.

interesting point of view. how you compare the ISO performance of the Z9 with your D5?

@@DanielRodriguez-fg5ll Hi Daniel, Having only used it for a week, I can't really compare iso performance side by side but a gut feeling says its just as good, not better. I did shoot a night baseball game with iso up to 25,600 and was acceptable if you didn't need to crop. I didn't use any LR or Topaz noise reduction when making this observation . I'm still in the learning curve of Z9 but glad I purchased it, opens up so many options that are new to me like video.

@@tedk2814 25600 under lights is not acceptable. Shooting with a D4S I can keep it below 12800 shooting at acceptable shutter speeds to capture action, no problem. I do this with some regularity and it is the one that is keeping me from ordering a Z9.

@@tedk2814 thanks for the reply.

@@acceptitasitis Hi and thanks for the reply. don't take anything I say here as gospel on the Z9. For all I know, I could have accidentally turned the shutter speed up to 1/8000 and the camera pegged out the iso to try and make it. At night games in my small town, I'd say my iso is between 10,000 and 12,000 with 1/1250 to 1/1600 on the D5 with 120-300 2.8. I still have and use my D5 which I like but just wanted to get the Z9. I ordered it on the first of March and it was delivered second week in April, never expected that soon. Sounds like your D4s is one heck of a camera, take care....

Neekon? Did you think the Knight of Ni sacrificed his limbs so you can put mud on the holy Nikon's name?

Difficult until Nikon opens the mount . Specs. This is the biggest advantage of sony system. Any other drawback will be overcome in the next iteration , but you can't beat the 3rd party support . All my lenses are currently 3rd party for my A7iii.

Viltrox offer great prime lenses for the money…now Nikon offer new low price zoom with the first 28-75mm f2.8. Which lenses do you want?

Knee-Con.

@@trym2121 That's how it's pronounced in Japan & most of the Western world. But what would the Japanese know?

No camera is perfect (and I love my Z9) but, as good as the ergonomics are on the Z9, there are issues for some. I don't have a problem with the memory card door, but a lot of people do. I have a problem with the Fn 1, Fn2, Fn 3 buttons feeling awkward in location (my hand size) and uncomfortable if you are holding the camera horizontally all day to reach some of them without straining your hand. Vertically, only the Fn 3 button is really reachable. Then there is the AF/area mode button on the bottom left of the camera being in a difficult place (yes, I know you can reprogram that function many places). My fingers also have issues finding the EC button and more often hit the ISO button. The rubber covers over the ports are also grouped and not individualized (exposing several to elements if uncovered instead of one). There is no longer a meter mode button (yes, again you can use the i menu or program it to a button (like the microphone memo button). Listen, I could be labelled a Nikon fan boy (although I'm not), but ergonomically perfect. No Sir. Not for me.

@@dance2jam yes I agree with you in many points. sometimes hand size could be a factor. You have many valid points !! I own Sony , canon and Nikon. Like you said , there is no perfect camera , but to me , this is one is at the top of my list.

@@FamilyofTech And on that note (although I do not own a mirrorless Sony or Canon), I'm inclined to agree!

Sony Wins in that regard, with its 14mm 1.8, and Pixel shift which can produce for 200mp shots for stunning architecture. Plus carrying it is going to be a helluva lot easier on your back if you are packing light to get to certain spots

I love my Sony A1 with the 35-150. I also have the 150-600 and a couple others. Sony a1 i think will be the top camera for a while still. I think it is so advanced that there's no need to upgrade. The af alone is far more superior and now with the new af and video firmware update I'd say its extremely hard to beat. If your pictures are not turning out with either camera it's the photographers error. Even in most literature and real world reviews sony af among other things keep coming up on top. With unbiased reviewers ofcourse. I think the Sony is a little power house and if you need that extra grip you can put it on. You don't have to carry that extra weight especially when your hiking taking pics of wildlife and you have one of those huge lenses to capture your subjects. Plus with it's compact size it's more versatile so you can use it with most gimbals. If we're talking about serious videography that's huge plus. You dont have to spend more money for a larger gimbal plus all the add-ons you would use with a cage. This compact size would help keep the weight down which people dont realize how cumbersome these all that can be. So that compact body is perfect.The Sony a1 body alone is extremely versatile. And don't forget Sony makes sensors for most of these cameras including Nikon. So where would Nikon be without Sony tech. As for working in the dark i don't need gimmicks to get the job done. It's called muscle memory. It's not hard to memorize the buttons. Plus all the third-party lenses. Nikon to call this it's flagship i think is a huge error considering the z8 is rumored to come out.I just think people like to jump on the next new not necessarily the best thing. No loyalty imo.

I love my Sony A1 with the 35-150. I also have the 150-600 and a couple others. Sony a1 i think will be the top camera for a while still. I think it is so advanced that there's no need to upgrade. The af alone is far more superior and now with the new af and video firmware update I'd say its extremely hard to beat. If your pictures are not turning out with either camera it's the photographers error. Even in most literature and real world reviews sony af among other things keep coming up on top. With unbiased reviewers ofcourse. I think the Sony is a little power house and if you need that extra grip you can put it on. You don't have to carry that extra weight especially when your hiking taking pics of wildlife and you have one of those huge lenses to capture your subjects. Plus with it's compact size it's more versatile so you can use it with most gimbals. If we're talking about serious videography that's huge plus. You dont have to spend more money for a larger gimbal plus all the add-ons you would use with a cage. This compact size would help keep the weight down which people dont realize how cumbersome these all that can be. So that compact body is perfect.The Sony a1 body alone is extremely versatile. And don't forget Sony makes sensors for most of these cameras including Nikon. So where would Nikon be without Sony tech. As for working in the dark i don't need gimmicks to get the job done. It's called muscle memory. It's not hard to memorize the buttons. Plus all the third-party lenses. Nikon to call this it's flagship i think is a huge error considering the z8 is rumored to come out.I just think people like to jump on the next new not necessarily the best thing. No loyalty imo.

@@xr3217 I don't think u have anything relevant to say except for your anecdotal experience, which is fine - you enjoy your a1. You didn't refute anything from the original post. The fact is that z9, being a flagship, is still $1000 less, and Nikon's native lens lineup is nothing to sneer at.

Could you please comment on the comparison of AF performance between the Z9 and Z7ii?

@@pm-ec1fc There are many, many "professional" reviewers here on KZfaq that can do far more in depth detailed reviews of the AF of both cameras. However, my personal experience is that for many every day photographic jobs the 7ii is superb, however, I was very frustrated with the speed and tracking when photographing birds in flight especially, and other aspects of wildlife photography when time and accuracy mattered. Even with Z9 firmware 1 I immediately felt the difference and got far more keepers than I ever did with the 7ii. I have yet to attend an airshow since getting the 9 but when I used the 7ii to photograph fast flypasts in burst mode I found the EVF couldn't keep up with the motion of the passing aircraft which led to missed shots. I am looking forward to trying the 9 out in this role as the season is about to start. I carried out a portrait shoot in a dark studio with strobe lights to nights ago. Using the Z9 every shot was perfectly in focus (using the eye) whereas in similar shoots with the 7ii I had had trouble with getting the eye focus to lock on under the modelling light. Just some personal observations. As I said, there are numerous reviews out there which will go into much more detailed information.

@@pm-ec1fc I do not own the Z7, but I can theoretically answer this question. The Z9's processing engine is 10x faster than the Z7ii's. That allows it to perform 120 auto exposure and autofocus calculations per second. That said, you need a lens that can keep up with that performance (i.e. to help the OSPDAF - on sensor phase detect AF system work better - wider aperature / more light / faster focus motors). As @Brian Dandridge mentioned, he wanted to photograph BIF (fast moving objects) and quick, accurate AF is obviously important. The engine in the Z9 is just that much faster than the duel engines in the Z7ii.

@@pm-ec1fc There is no comparison. I have the Z7ii and its not even close

Don’t forget about the elephant in the room, Jared Polin!

Prefer sensible reviews

Hope you get your wish. I also thought it felt heavy but I own the D850 (with vertical grip and D5 battery) because I shoot sports, action and wildlife. I put the D850 on a scale and the Z9. Z9 was not only a bit lighter, but more compact. Once you added the FTZii adapter, they were virtually the same weight at 1430 grams. Again, the Z9 felt more compact/stout and a bit easier to hold. If you don't shoot with the D5 battery and vertical grip, you're correct. D850 lighter and better DR all day long (esp. at lower ISO).

no it's not. I have a d850 and a d4s, the d4s is way easier to carry around. you can't feel it in your hands. you don't have to grip it at all. I like the feel of all D8x0 bodies but the pro cameras have that extra ergonomic feel.

I guess I need to clarify something. My point is that the Z9 is just too big and heavy for me. I love my Z6 with Z glass. 20.7 oz and 5"x4" (approx) compared to the Z9 47.3 oz and 6"x6" approx. And yes, one has an integrated grip and the other does not. So, I used the D850 as a Pro comparison without the grip as well. 32.3 oz and 6"x5". The Z9 is still almost 50% heavier and almost the same size. I'm hoping that the new Z camera will be somewhere between the Z6 and D850 in weight. And FWIW..if you add the FTZ to the D850, the weight will still be 10 oz less than the Z9. And yes, the Pro cameras with grip have a great feel...but that is not my priority. My comments are not in anyway to detract from the Z9 or other pro cameras with a grip...just a statement of opinion and fact regarding the bulk and weight. I want the Z9 tech..but not with the weight and bulk. I'll wait.

@@Juventinos Can't argue with that. I always wanted a D4S, but mirrorless was already on it's way. So, it didn't make sense for me to put money there. Thanks for the thoughts.

go to their iNSTAGRAM pages to see results. KZfaq does not pay well to spend oddles of time creating these niche style videos.

@@bigboi36 they sure spend a lot of time on them though… My point would be to do one AF test that was actually challenging for a camera in 2022 instead of just pictures of random landscapes and the occasional bird walking by.

@@bigboi36, KZfaq actually pays better for longer videos.

Agreed, Jesse. A lot of Z9 prospects are people who shoot birds in flight. And Nikon's AF has a very poor reputation in that application. I would have liked to have seen if the Z9 is up to the game.

a1 definitely easier on gimbals.

@Jason Eldridge I love my Sony A1 with the 35-150. I also have the 150-600 and a couple others. Sony a1 i think will be the top camera for a while still. I think it is so advanced that there's no need to upgrade. The af alone is far more superior and now with the new af and video firmware update I'd say its extremely hard to beat. If your pictures are not turning out with either camera it's the photographers error. Even in most literature and real world reviews sony af among other things keep coming up on top. With unbiased reviewers ofcourse. I think the Sony is a little power house and if you need that extra grip you can put it on. You don't have to carry that extra weight especially when your hiking taking pics of wildlife and you have one of those huge lenses to capture your subjects. Plus with it's compact size it's more versatile so you can use it with most gimbals. If we're talking about serious videography that's huge plus. You dont have to spend more money for a larger gimbal plus all the add-ons you would use with a cage. This compact size would help keep the weight down which people dont realize how cumbersome these all that can be. So that compact body is perfect.The Sony a1 body alone is extremely versatile. And don't forget Sony makes sensors for most of these cameras including Nikon. So where would Nikon be without Sony tech. As for working in the dark i don't need gimmicks to get the job done. It's called muscle memory. It's not hard to memorize the buttons. Plus all the third-party lenses. Nikon to call this it's flagship i think is a huge error considering the z8 is rumored to come out.I just think people like to jump on the next new not necessarily the best thing. No loyalty imo.

Nikon use a full-frame sensor made by Sony so dont be too much naïve its a Sony branded Nikon

@@djstuc While Nikon and Sony Semiconductor are both evasive when questioned about these matters on the record, Nikon has been using Sony sensors for the past two decades in both its DSLR and mirrorless cameras, long before Sony’s separate imaging business started selling large sensor cameras. This news shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone who’s been paying attention to Nikon hardware over the past decade or so. Since Sony Semiconductor (which has gone through a few name changes over the years) has been producing image sensors, other manufacturers have been purchasing their technology, including (but not limited to): Canon, Fujifilm, Hasselblad, Leica, Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax, Phase One, Samsung, Sigma and others. Still, it's nice to get confirmation of a detail that’s been suspected since launch.

I shot my daughter's hockey game last night with the Z9 on a 70-200f2.8S and my Z7ii on my 300mmPF. The Z9 made the Z7ii feel and look like a relic. There is no comparison. The Z9 just lies in my hand beautifully and it functions amazing. The AF, the tracking, the customisability is just on a another level. I can't see using my Z7ii for anything else but landscape currently. The Z9 just feels and works so much better. I think the ergonomics of the Z9 will grow on you, especially if you put big glass on it.

Fun Fact those who are waiting for Z7III/Z8 will need to another 6/8 months after Nikon released those bodies.

Didn't age well XD

Definitely the a1 for versatility. Lighter body. 30fps raw file with an af that still can't be beat.

After Z9 firmware update version 4.0.... a1 is not at par anymore. Watch Steve Perry comparison video of a1 and Z9...he was a long time user of a1, who moved away from Nikon system after Sony Mirrorless got successful.....but after Z9 arrival with latest firmware updates.....he did detailed video ...watch

I walked the exact same path and also agree 100% with you

Why would those two be mentioned alongside the A1 and Z9?

@@livejames9374 Why would they not? High resolution, 8K, RAW internal video in both FF & APSC, high rez EVF, waveforms, I could go on, but it’s obvious why they should have been mentioned.

I also thought it odd that they didn’t even so much as hint at canon, but dropped Sony comps throughout and even Panasonic. Maybe they think canon doesn’t have an equivalent body to match the others? Or the Nikon money truck only comes if they pretend canon doesn’t exist lol who knows

Sony (2015): Sony will concentrate on full-frame cameras in the future to beat Canon and Nikon. Fujifilm: Our (APSC) Cameras will beat Canon and Nikon by 2019 Olympus & Panasonic: We will use MFT cameras to beat Canon and Nikon Pentax: We will be the only one selling DSLRs when Canon and Nikon are dead. Come 2022: Canon already defeated Sony in MILC sales from Nov 2021-Jun 2022. Nikon Z9 topped sales in 1Q 2022 for FF & Canon R7 topped sales in APSC.