You are missing something....in that the Watchers Greatsword probably outdamages the Guts greatsword at extreme high levels of strength...perhaps 80 plus. There is a sweet spot between bad8e damage and scaling ...maybe guts GS is better at 60 str and watcher better at 80plus str...maybe! Idk ! I agree and love the video tho. The be more clear, I only disagree when you say "one is better than the other"...you have to try differentt levels of str and DeX to truly see any weapon. There is a build out there where even the most obscure weapons shine. Love the videos you make however, and I agree with 95 percent as stated! Keep them up...obscure scaling tests me likey!

Nope scaling works how it's always worked your confused because your not using all the stats to calculate, the requirements make a difference the sword with 11 str and 12 dex will always end up better than a 10 str 10 dex requirement, this is why you should be using the requirements along the base scaling before deciding on weapons to level up.

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yes very good addition, I do this all the time. And going out of the menu before respeccing means you don't waste your larval tear either

This really lets you play around with your stats to get the absolute highest AR!

@@NizarGG O nice, I didn't know it didn't consume your tear if you back out. That's good to know.

If you truly want to save your tears and not waste them. Save your game prior to respecing, you think something went wrong and just exit game and quit on the home page or kill the app in task manager and re load. Boom, free tear that you get to try out.

Just keep in mind this does not consider the effects of stat boosting items, so if you want to use say the Stargazer Heirloom talisman on an int build, you need to put 5 extra points into int to get accurate numbers (just don't forget to remove them before confirming)

Yes!

No joke. Every time I see a new katana I compare it to my + whatever uchikatana and like, nope guess I’m not switching lol

@@Vaedyx Yeah, and that gets expensive in a hurry. I just try to guess based off of weapon type and scaling factors which one is better.

I mean…. there’s a wiki, just look up the weapon you’ve been using on your phone and compare it there

@@TheGiantDwarf everyone doesn't wanna pull out their phone to google the game every single time they find a weapon . Gear comparisons should be root structure in a game based entirely around loot and stat building

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Nah they'll stick to their "op game breaking god build" stuff.That or "99979639499499 runes in minutes" videos

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Anyone with two brain cells knew the stuff in this video though. It's mostly for brain-afk'ers. You'd know all this just by looking at the numbers as you upgrade a weapon. You can see your scaling increase and your scale letter turn blue, but not change. This indicates that the letter is not a static value.

i'm not one of those but it's a good way to make hundreds of dollars from a $60 dollar game. People will click regardless.

The majority of the youtube community surrounding elden ring is so trash right now.

Yeah you can loose 30 raw dmg for a insane moveset . But the scaling is tricky and dont add a lot if you dont take 2 grade scaling . The guts gs is easy to find and its the guts gs lol but love the watchfog gs moveset .

the only thing you need for a greatsword is crouching attacks. So movesets dont matter because all of them are wortheless without that.

@@Tory-JJ if only anyone cared about your elitist gatekeeping. I’m sure there is an echo-chamber for you somewhere.

@@Tory-JJ Invade or duel with only the guts crouch poke and make a video about it. I'd love to watch that. Or better yet, just make a new category of challenge run using only the poke.

@@Tory-JJ what an uneducated opinion.

Because there's only two weapons you can do this with it's not well known! :D

wait Arcane scales madness?! I always thought it was faith lol

@@TENEBRAELGAMING No. Buildup speed scales with Arcane.

wait is the albanauric axe an arcane scaling weapon without a preset ash of war???

Arcane scales nothing unless a weapon has arcane scaling. If you take a weapon with inherent bleed but no arcane scaling, having 99 arcane is going to proc bleed as effectively and quickly as having 9 arcane.

A weapon could put out insane damage but if the moveset isn't good or fun I typically won't use it.

The element of surprise is 99 vigor +

Besides dps would be more with Warhawk talon over all. More swings, it's a straight sword. I mean trading blow for blow obviously. But I'd digress.

Warhawk has a unique skill?

@@Delibelly99 a unique heavy attack. It's a lunging two hit combo. The charged version goes even further.

"Hits" lol. Moonveil gang rise up

😂😂 i am halfway in. Shit.

I also imagine the relative strength and utility of the weapon skill factors in.

yeah but fast weapons have this bad habbit of not stopping peoples attacks if they land first on some fights

Good for clearing trash mobs, but it feels so bad that you don't get any poise in the windup for the WA. Even the slowest bosses still knock you out of that shit.

@@zzyzx_001 I mean, it’s not too bad. I was able to defeat a handful of major bosses with ease.

For pvp you just use a greatsheild and rapier and when you see them start the ash of war start stabbing before they make the first contact and you can stab them the entire time they are doing the ash of war.

It's great as a cavalry sword.

Well yeah but there are always weapons that are superior than others and some that are far more superior than the rest

@@gotworc Yes, they are, but this superiority is not that big. You can easily beat the game with starting class weapon if you want. Yes, it will be a little harder, but not impossible.

@@chicken29843 You're talking PvP or PvE? Because I have no idea how it works in PvP, so if you're talking about that, than I can't argue with you, however, in PvE, you can use every weapon in the game, and if upgraded, it will be viable. Sure, some weapons are better than other, but not by a margin large enough to make weaker weapons unusable.

@@MK-yz2pr that's an invalid arguement. yes, it might be possible to beat the game with a fucking spoon, if your name is lobosjr and you're basically a patience elemental. viable in theory, but is it fun though?

This is more of a problem of badly designed bullsh!t enemies more than weapon viability IMO.

What works best is to get the ball bearings for smithing stone 1-4 and just find a quick tune farm spot that might take like 30 mins top to get enough runes and upgrade what you want… that’s what I do when I want to break from the main stream weapons

Its kinda unfair to point it like that because, tbh, Nizar didn't spoke the full truth here. In his first example, Warhawk's Talon actually DOES scale better: it has +323 damage against the Broadsword's +282. That's what scaling governs. What he ommited is that, actually, Warhawk's Talon is an overall weak weapon damage wise. Its base damage at +25 is lower than the Broadsword. The reason why the Broadsword did more damage is 2 things: . First, Broadsword's base damage is WAY higher than the Warhawk's Talon. Both standard at +25, Broadsword gets nearly 290 damage, while the Warhawk's is near 240. . Second, 80 is the highest cap, the HARD cap, meaning you can't get more damage from Dex past that. In Keen affinity, the soft caps are 20 (meaning, until 20 dex is where you will get the MOST damage per level), 60 (meaning it has diminished returns from 21 to 60), and 80 (meaning, from 60 to 80, you will BARELY gain any damage). The Broadsword has a high B scaling in Dex (meaning its almost A in scaling) while the Warhawk's is A, but not nearing S, so the difference in what both of them gain from the Keen affinity is not that distant. That is because the Talon has a different moveset that is a double swipe, both at full damage, so the overall damage of the weapon probably had to be reduced to not deal double the damage of other swords in its Heavy attack.

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@@felipecouto1102 how is it dishonest when he literally points this out a few minutes later - that it's due to base damage differences

@@heckingbamboozled8097 Its not dishonesty tho, its just not technically correct , because the scaling is in fact better

Thank you

Primary example of this is the halo scythe. E faith scaling, but the weapon art rings do a tonne of damage because it only scales with faith. Kind of sad that for casters to use arts they need to dump their physical stat, but I guess that's a balance mechanic tradeoff for having access to incantations/sorceries.

But what if you want to use regular slashes too?better lvl up both

@@TheMETALICA40 focus int and get dex to 20-30

Ashes of war damage is off of the base damage of your weapon

I'm not sure this dude understands scaling. If you have a weapon that scales better with strength you would do a keen build with it to make it scale better with dex. You should make it a heavy build instead.

"wins out" is still so massively subjective there because of movesets and timing though

@@connormccarthy2745 have you watched the video? Heck, did you read my full statement or just saw two words? No subjectivity if you had done both. 1- the video was discussing the AR and scaling, mainly. 2- I said the weapons I (which means me, not you) use. 3- I said "should pay attention to as well" as he mentions movesets along with other factors in the video.

@@impexxable yeah, and I was reiterating those points because it really seemed like you were giving advice and I didn't want people to see that and take it as advice. This is a public forum, I'm just trying to put information out there, not put you down. I watched the video, I read your statement, and I thought it was oversimplified and didn't want someone to get the wrong idea. Put the gun away bud, don't get so goddamn offended

Honestly, your comparison between these 2 weapons of different weapon categories is kinda odd. Like, Greatsword on a str build is gonna do more dmg per hit than Malenia's on a dex build. It's just that Malenia's, it being a much faster and obviously smaller weapon, will be able to get it's dmg out faster than Greatsword. This is an odd comparison you've chose to go after to support your dmg requirement argument, but I guess I'll let it slide because you clearly don't understand what you're talking about because it's likely ER is your first souls game.

@@OddWolf666 its odd you wanted to call someone out for an "odd comparison" when it was actually just your lack of reading comprehension. Don't worry I'll let it slide as its likely you were just being an elitist, who can't even read properly.

Yep. I just learned how much thos effects your damage output a few hours ago. I noticed i missed a dungeon in the swamp area by the dragon burnt ruins (the mine in the north west tip, with the graveminner troll as a boss, i think was its name). The regular enemies there are made of stone or something and a +5 curved greatsword bounced off them each hit and did less damage per hit than a +2 basic whip.

@@shadowofenvy1847 the Crystalians are like that too, 35% absorption on slash and thrust but only 10% on standard and strike plus 40% on all magic and elements. first time i ran into them i had to switch to a mace to beat them.

Never trust a scythe user.

Bleed doesnt scale with arcane unless the weapon also scales with arcane. You wont get more bleed value for arcane if your weapon scales with dex/str for exemple.

I'd rather they just lay out the actual numbers like was done in this video

yeah ofcourse you can use whatever you want to use! the idea behind this video is more about that there is actually more possible in terms of making viable builds than what one would think initially, but also how to really get the most out of your build.

@@NizarGG yes, that's what I was hoping for, more viability! Thank you for your response!

Yeah pretty much. Just use the scaling as a guide to which attributes you should invest in.

@@renno2679 thanks!

yes

Depends on the ash , some like moonveil are magic dmg so that’s scaling off INT. If the ash is just a move set rather than magic or elemental attack it scales off base scaling for physical dmg

Two handing is slightly stronger now but it depends on your build, dual gs is never a bad idea tho

Like most builds, it depends.

Use whatever weapon you want as long as you're having fun that's what matters when you think about the damage negation in regards to a player and enemies in PVE you have to acknowledge that a difference in 20 to 30 Armament damage isn't a lot of actual damage when you think about it when you're swinging a regular swing with anything but a colossal Greatsword are you hitting the numbers that your armament damage is? No shit even with big weapons unless you're talking about boosted jumped attacks or other boosted attacks but regardless it's such a minut difference you would just be diluting you're playing experience to try and get such a little increase use whatever weapons you want use whatever ashes of War you want and have fun 🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇 most people don't realize that 10 levels into increasing your strength or trying to completely optimize your damage unless you're using all of your talismans and additional Buffs that are percentage-based you're getting very little very very little increase in actual damage when you could be getting more survivability or more adaptability adding more different things to your character whether it's different weapons different spells incantations different things to deal with different situations a lot of people get caught up in damage but you end up nerfing your character by trying to go all for damage like when I kill a sorcerer with 1 swing and they had 800HP like I get it if you kill someone you won't die but like it's not worth it.

Two handing a weapon is a 1.5x modifer to your Strength. Powerstancing 2 weapons is a 2x damage modifer. Powerstancing will give you more damage

Thank you guys you helped me a lot. I appreciate it very much

@Captain_Morgan not too bothered about pvp min maxing but when some weapons are capible of nearly 500 to 1k extra damage when its scaling and stats look to be lower than anothers then I just think the indicators are not really telling the truth

I didn't dupe larval tears but I did have to use a bunch of them for this video & the intrinsic scaling values of the weapons can be found in the data files (and you can calculate the AR of any weapon in the game with a certain formula but yeah I didn't want to overcomplicate things)

@@NizarGG Understandable, thanks for all your hard work then. Not duping the tears and doing it legit is impressive, well done. I am the sort that likes the nerdy, complicated things ;)

If u want u can also copy your game files, than go crazy on respecs and if u dont like the changes u just put back the old saves

@@jaysenoner6494 never thought of that.🤔thanks frfr👍🏾

Thank you, I was looking for this comment as soon as I got to this part. The belief that "x weapon has y stat as its highest scaling stat, therefore x weapon must be a y build weapon" is still true, and hasn't really been debunked at all by this video. If a weapon's highest scaling stat is dexterity, then a dexterity build will *always* do more damage using that weapon than if the weapon were built for strength or faith or whatever using ashes of war. I don't understand why he says "debunked" but then also recognizes that the only reason any of the higher scaling weapons don't outdamage the lower scaling weapons per hit is because the lower scaled weapons have better base damage. It completely defeats the point. Saying the broadsword is better than the warhawk's talon for a dex build for this reason is equivalent to saying a colossal hammer is better than the warhawk's talon for a dex build, because the only reasoning used is that it "does more damage per hit".

the point isn't that a weapon is never defined by its highest scaling grade, it's that the highest scaling grade shouldn't deter you from using the weapon's other attributes to make a build around those attributes. As proven it outdamages weapons where that attribute would be the primary attribute, otherwise example 1 could never occur, so that statement is in fact debunked.

@@NizarGG I understood your main point was to tell people "if you find yourself wanting to use a certain weapon type (straight swords) on an already established build (dex) also consider weapons, that dont have their primary attribute in that field." Pointing out that strength weapons can outclass dex weapons on a dex build in terms of AR. I just wanted to clarify, that the broadsword is still a strength weapon and if your goal was to make an optimal build around it, you would choose strength over dex. I'm not disagreeing, that there might be a misconception in the community, which leads players to outright not consider using strength weapons on any other build that isnt strength.

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@@NizarGG hahaha indeed most op love ya man ty for ur reply

You cant use magic in a qua set up tho

True for the most part, I suppose.

I like adding elements to my attacks then going heavy or keen

Phys is applied to all forms of physical damage, which type is chosen by the weapon. different types are better for different things, piercing or blunt is better for armor, slash or stab is better for lack of armor, blunt is required for crystal etc etc

yeah I was thinking that too, the broadsword may have done 10+ more damage but the Warhawk's talon swings faster. Sure damage is important but I find movesets can out do damage from one swing depending on the moveset

@@Shambleful yep, you're rarely never standing there trading hit for hit anyway unless you're a turtle. Even if my weapon has 10% less AR, if I land 3x for every 2x you land I'm still in the lead. Zweihander has the lowest AR of Collosal Swords, but it has a heavy poke. Then you have weapons that purosely have weak AR but monster ashe skills on them like the Death Poker. AR pure damage isn't what automatically makes a weapon stronger.