transformers fans try to enjoy anything challenge: impossible

13:42 honestly the fact you mention the oddness of where the 3 flyers went and why they weren't doing anything to the escaping pods around them is made even more hilarious when you rewatch the scene and realize that Starscream is one of the flyers.

Drinking game: Everytime Steve Rogers/Captain America says "I understood that refrence." Take a drink. *Dies.*

The reason why the military and battle scenes in the movies actually felt like real military scenes and the soldiers felt and acted like soldiers is, because all of them except the main actors (Duhamel, Gibson, Morshower, etc.) were. Bay's only real direction for the military extras was to "react to this attack as how you would in real life", and being actual soldiers, airmen, sailors, marines, whatever, I think they did a pretty good job of that. The Transformers movies are _military_ sci-fi action/disaster movies, so it's gonna actually feel like an actual, real war is happening, opposed to G1 and BBM being mostly "robot superhero" entries.

In my opinion, the Bey verse's main issue was how it treated the plot. The designs were pretty okay (except TLK Prime and Blackout kicks ass) and the characters were interesting takes but the plot was just a mess. Every movie resets when the Autobots and Decepticons arrived. If you disagree, you are probably right cause I'm just some idiot on the internet.

I think the only reason it was 2 minutes was because the budget couldn’t afford a 5-10 minute full cgi sequence

the whole claim to "resemble designs to original counterparts for people who loved them for what they are to begin with" implies a large majority of transformers movie-goers are original fans. A large majority of transformers movie-goers are not original fans, it sure has a loud internet voice but most of the box office consists of first-exposures and casual movie audiences. Making a film to reference things esoteric to a fanbase rather than properly introducing which character does what without previous knowledge isn't good.

7:12 another example that instantly came to mind was the bonecrusher fight and the decepticon encroachment on the highway from 2007. The only lines of dialogue in that scene are from the human characters, and yet we see the autobots respond and counter the looming threat behind them. Bumblebee stays in front of the convoy, given that he has such precious cargo, while ratchet and ironhide shift in front of optimus, who sets himself up to tank any potential confrontation from behind the group. Fast forward later, prime goes out his way to send his opponent off the main Freeway, instead fighting him down below where there is less in the line of fire. The decepticon is dispatched cleanly and efficiently, and prime checks his surroundings in the event any other decepticons were tailing him. It's very subtle stuff but makes that fight so much more interesting to watch, and makes the characters look much more competent as warriors than the BB opening or even the later bay movies themselves.

When people keep stating that G1 is the golden standard for transformers and anything that deviates from it is an absolute atrocity, just aggregates me. It often feels like, they're not allowed to have their own original ideas. I hate that because it pretty much prevents any new and possibly interesting stories to be told.

I love that everyone hating bubmlebee says "oh you like this movieonly for opening scene exists" when I first watched this movie I knew very little about transformers and I only saw one episode of g1 so i only knew who optimus was shockwave soundwave and starscream and still after watching it I decided that it and Bey's first movie was the best transformers live action movies

Honestly, I prefer the TF3 opening too. Granted I loved the close up visuals of the Bumblebee Movie opening, there was more visual story telling present in the opening of TF3, I often found myself slowing down and looking at each of the tiny robots as a kid watching how the fights are unfolding and how exactly are the autobots losing. In the TF3 opening you can clearly see the divide between the autobot and decepticon forces, you see the autobots resort to desperate tactics (destroying the platform unfer that cat walker thing) while the decepticons were just upfront and plowing through them without worry.

I think ROTB Arcee was a vast improvement over the Bumblebee movie version. That movie doesn't get enough credit for how realized the autobots are both in terms of design as well as personality.

It’s kind of funny how many TF references the 2007 film has when you go back to it. You can tell that fans enjoyed working on it and adding little nods. It’s more subtle and digestible than the entire opening scene of Bumblebee because they kept a general audience in mind and don’t throw it in your face, which is something that this scene does to a fault.

You should tackle more of Comodin Cam's videos, his channel is arguably one of the best Transformers content available here! His recent Transformers ONE discussions and his many design tier lists are amazing!

I do admit seeing slight reworks of G1 is getting a bit stale.

The moment i realized the opinion of the bee movie and rotb fans is not factual is when they were fine with prime murdered Scourge, but when bay prime does it is wrong.

I think Viri hit the nail on the head: G1 nostalgia does not make a movie "Good" or "Bad". Story does. Bayformers started out with great visual components and well crafted combat that could help to tell the story in several large-scale or smaller-scale action sequences that fit together with scenes to create a cohesive plot. These kind of fell off by the 3rd movie, but that's how it started. Bumblebee and RotB started off with nostalgia at its core and left military strategy on the backburner. G1 is, first and foremost, a story about WAR. War had ravaged their homeland and turned them from standard citizens into hardened soldiers and savage warriors. Tactical maneuvers, loss, retreats and victories, even death were all factors in Transformers G1. Bay managed to include these elements into the story of the movies through the soldiers in the original 2007 film. It started off with Blackout attacking the military base and the few survivors managing to get away(Loss and Retreat), being stalked by Scorponok and having to call in the air force as back up(tactics and victories), and ended up with an escape sequence leading to a final showdown in the city(featured death on both sides). Bay got the attributes of war right in the first movie, but he chose to focus on that element instead of the nostalgia factor, opting to include the transformers themselves with designs that helped to strengthen the narrative. Does this help the movie? Yes. Did that same level of polish carry on into the later films? Debatable. Does Bumblebee's first scene have this same trait? No, not really. TL;DR: Bayformers was about WAR like G1 was, while Bumblebee put that attribute on the backburner to appeal to the nostalgia factor.

I agree with pretty much everything here! I love the BBM opening scene but I feel like it has reached a point of being praised for all the wrong reasons and has been put on a pdestal that it quite frankly doesn't deserve. It is a great scene, but the main draw is "Look at the G1!" and it kinda sucks that so many were caught by such key jangling.The references and some of the designs are cool, I just wish there was more for it to truly deserve the hype that it gets. What exactly is going on besides the basic "Decepticons are winning"? Like I don't need something complex but you can't say much is going besides "Autobots are losing and need to evacuate". Honestly, I've always preferred DOTM's opening speech. The music is fantastic, I love Prime's speech, and there are a lot of cool shots in there like the missiles flying up to the Ark in that wideshot. Another thing too is how some people out there talk about this scene. It really isn't the best thing done in live-action Transformers and all anyone ever mentions are the designs. Again, it is that key jangling. It is just so surface level, I don't care if people love it and have it as their favorite scene, I just wish hyperbole surrounding it was lessened. Awesome video here, this was a really good look at BBM Cybertron scene and the discussions around it!

i think the worst thing about the transformers fanbase is that they make me defend the bay movies

It's just fan service, its nothing. Dotm's cybertron IS Transformers done right: Vast, alien, mysterious and filled with violence and unknown technology. BB's cybertron is not alien at all, its just literally a car similar to earth and each character is just for a soyface point.

4:25 True. Just look at the Evergreen model thing they pulled.

I think Bumblebee could’ve gotten its own graphic novel that explains in a different perspective as a feature long meanwhile, like Hoowdinked. It should explain what’s going on, how Optimus Prime survived and escaped Cybertron, while adding individual character stories of which planet they arrived in, and trying to survive and stay incognito as other alien machinery, if possible. If not, then, they need to blend in Predator style.

Bay Ironhide should be the canon design because it's so damn good. Same for Sentinel and Bumblebee Yeah, I'm biased, but i don't care, i need to see them again

It's nice to know that I ain't the only one who thinks this brand is being held back by an old-ass cartoon barely anyone watches these days lol (Not saying G1 is a bad show ofc, it's a product of its time and a fun watch on occasion). Being slavish to nostalgia seems to be an issue MANY pop-culture franchises suffer from (Star Trek, Star Wars, most 80's toy brands etc.). It's pretty obvious why tho; nostalgia has the potential of making billions since some Gen X goobers tend to mindlessly eat that shit up regardless of the inherent quality (or lack thereof lmao) which is why we're stuck in this cultural ouroboros of sequels and remakes.

When it comes to Transformers redesigns movies or shows I prefer some consistency

I honestly feel like dotm had the best final battle. The movie did a great job displaying the sense of defeat and danger. Which was further displayed when Optimus and the autobots had to hide out and stay out of site. Optimus was also being more of a war general in this film. Giving out call outs, and asking for divergences so that he could retrieve his flight tech. This also did a great job with incorporating the military into their battle strategy as well. All this made added to the final battle which is why scenes like Optimuses rage, and the charge to the pillar with the military, bumble bee, and ratchet are more then just them going out and just doing whatever its more of them seeing an opening and taking advantage. Which lead to a great pay off when the battle was won sams storyline coming to an end and prime giving his speech.

Personally, I've never been fan of the G1 designs. I was born in 2000, so I pretty much grew up with the Bay movies, as a kid, I was in awe. But now today as an artist(comics and 2D animation), looking back at the Bay designs, my opinion is that they're way too complicated. For me, the best designs ever drawn were made by Don Figueroa in the 2012 IDW run of The Transformers. Don had the perfect blend of the G1 aesthetic mixed with Gundam and the Bay designs. To this day, I really don't understand WHY they don't use his designs for the movies because they follow the "keep it simple stupid" approach.

I think the BB opening sequence make sense when you consider Optimus’ character arc in ROTB. He blames himself for stranding the autobots on earth because he had to make a last minute decision to evacuate. There was no time to to stop and think, all they could do was run the second the rest of the decepticons showed up. Though I do agree the scene could’ve been longer to flow more, you also have to consider the budget as a factor. The opening was changed last minute too.

something that REALLY bugs me about the cybertron scene, is just how illogical it is. optimus gives bee his mission like it was a meeting, but they were only talking because bee didn't get into his pod when told to, so like, wtf was the plan if he just listened?

The Bumblebee movie designs are great but we need more unique designs especially this days since G1 designs are all over the place. That's why i really like Some of the bayverse design and the Rotb design. Rotb Mirage still resembles the original but it has a very unique design. Same goes with the Rotb Maximals They resemble their original counterpart but while having a unique design.

I felt like the opening sequence in Bumblebee, was a bit overrated and it completely overshadowed the whole movie. WheneverTransformers fans talk about the best film of the franchise, they don’t talk about Bee and Charlie’s relationship, Shatter and Dropkick being good villains, or even the hard work Travis Knight and the team put in. The fans only care about, are the Cybertron scenes. Yes it’s G1 and nostalgia, but we had too much G1 right now.

i couldn't agree more, many fans really can't see through fan service

Sure, Michael Bay wasn't a fan of Transformers when he started, but just because a director is a fan of the property the movie is about, doesn't mean you're going to get a good Transformers movie. Being a fan means you'll struggle with what to put in a movie vs what not to. Do you put in references to episodes of a tv show, reference a character, which characters DO appear in the movie and what do they do? I liked Rise of the Beasts, but let's be honest, that movie forced Beast Wars in when it really didn't have any bearing on the plot, two out of the four BW characters barely spoke despite such a small cast, we could've had more Autobots and Decepticons, and everything that got deleted would've made the movie much better. And of course there's the whole Wheeljack controversy as well. Keep in mind I don't care if a character has a different design in a new iteration, but they went to the trouble of keeping Optimus and Bumblebee the same, but changed everyone else. Transformers isn't about keeping everything the same or keeping it "G1". Not everything needs to go back to G1, it really doesn't.

Tfp Arcee is 100% the best Arcee, everything about her is perfect from the her design, her voice, her history, her character development and most importantly her personality, the G1 Arcee however was boring and bland, she had barely any personality at all and her design was basically a robot Princess Leia but pink. This is just my opinion and I respect others but I just like prime Arcee the best, I find other Arcee versions interesting as well but for me the G1 version sucks.

Yeah, I definitely agree with you man. While I enjoyed Bumblebee, there are so many things I would praise than just the Cybertron scene, like the main human character Charlie Waston, the comedy, the acting, character development for some characters, the writing of story and characters and a lot more. Oh and I hope you don't mind about this, there is another problem that should be pointed out is that some TF fans(mostly older fans) have this weird and weak mentality when it comes to the transformers franchise, it can even be said towards a lot of franchises meant primarily for kids and families(more accurately for all ages) and I think it's best to call it out. Some fans keep demanding that the transformers franchise's tone should be very "mature, dark and gritty", and that the primary target audience should be solely for teenagers and adults, stop appealing towards kids forever... because they actually think it will automatically make transformers, great, well-written and successful. But to be honest, it does not. It's so misguided on what makes a piece of entertainment media great and successful in general. And because the Transformers franchise has always been and will continue to be a franchise primarily for kids and families aka all ages and that is not even bad. It's been doing so well with that kind of target audience. All mainline Transformers cartoons like Transformers Prime, Animated, etc. are made for kids as the main target audience, they were all rated TV-Y7-FV, they aired on kids tv networks. Those shows were sellings toys to kids. They were all great kids/family shows and great transformers shows, they were not only successful and praised by younger audience, but also praised by teens and adults who were long time fans of transformers. So let's be real, Hasbro Studios, Takara Tomy and Paramount would never abandon audiences under the age of 13, there is no logically reason on why they should when it comes to transformers. And just because something is mature or dark, does not automatically mean it's actually makes it so great or very "smart". Especially when there are poorly received tv shows and movies that are meant to be mature and dark, ones that are targeted at a more mature older audience like Netflix Transformers WFC Trilogy, Fantastic Four 2015, Suicide Squad 2016 and some of zack snyder's movies like batman v superman and rebel moon. Those were poorly received, not because of it's intended audience, not necessary because of it's tone or TV/Movie rating(weather it's rated R, PG 13 or TV MA), but because of the people behind those works, they had bad writting of stories, characters, scripts, bad pacing, poor direction, poor acting and just lack of creativity, passion and originality. The thing is I'm trying to make is that what makes a movie or tv show or any franchises great/successful is never the tone, it's never the target audience or the ratings, they do not define the quality of its content, it's the people behind their works if they are very talented and are passionate about their works. Disclaimer: This is not me trying attack or change anyone's opinions and personal thoughts. I know that we all have our own opinions and it's always ok to agree or disagree with each other. I respect everyone's opinions no matter how different they are. This just something that I just noticed on a lot of franchises that mainly targets at kids and families. I mean have you seen a lot of posts on TFW2005 and reddit, they are so against each other's throats about this whole fun and lighthearted vs mature and dark in a lot of movie, cartoon and video game franchises.

Just saw this pop up in my recommended, I love your writing and editing style dude keep it up.

That was really my main issue with rise of the beasts that it didn't follow the story that bumblebee set up. Edit: most of the characters in rise of the beast or just kind of there as well. Where at least in bumblebee like for example shatter and dropkick you at least get to see their personalities

OT Bayverse is a SOLID trilogy imo. Not perfect and definitely has its flaws, but solid and way over hated. AoE is decent, it tires to do way too much but has a lot of interesting ideas, TLK is the same but way worse. Definitely the worst of the Bayverse IMO. Beewun and ROTB also have a ton of problems that people ignore simply because "It's not directed by Bay." and that's disingenuous. I enjoy all the TF live action films in their own way, but the unfair comparisons to the Bayverse are definitely hypocritical. We need to stray away from G1, it's stifling creativity and uniqueness. Also, MoS is a solid film too imo

It’s a franchise about robots turning into vehicles. The gimmick of Transformers as a franchise is literally thing changing and yet a large amount of fans berate and automatically host disdain for anything too different from whatever version is that given person’s favourite. What I’m trying to say is I like series with love put into them, especially the first three live action movies.

This video is criminally underviewed

The cybertron scene has no backstory,barely any context as to why they’re fighting this is the greatest example of thinking nostalgia is good writing on its own the cybertron battle in transformers 3 blows this out of the park we know what is happening and why it’s happening but with the bumblebee movie we have to use head canon

You cooked with this video! Finally more sensible Transformers fans are being seen by the algorithm! :) And yes, a lot of Transformers KZfaqrs just say what the "community expects to hear" rather than their individual opinion cause for most of them this is their main source of income. The fact that you had to even label your video as a "hot take" is everything wrong with this community.

What the fuck that scene literally the reason why transformers fans got there ass outta the dungeon to see the movie

I will always be nostalgic over Transformers Prime's Megatron

I liked Bumblebee, but more for the emotional bond between Charlie and Bee than the opening 10 minutes

So, the lesson I learn from this video is built something on top of the reference, don't reference just for nostalgia or style, or referencing Iron-man from Home Coming "If there nothing without the reference then you shouldn't do it"

Not gonna lie the cybertron scene was great, the only thing missing was megatron. I know they had reasons as to why he wasn’t in the scene but it’s still not gonna change the fact it felt off without him.

i also feel what made bumblebee so meh for me was the music. steve jablonskys score is just amazing and is just apart of transformers more then you think.

Most Bees have a black strip and speaking troubles which isn’t G1. Some of my favourite designs are from the 2000s which are nothing like anything but them selves. I even like some of the Bay designs, I love G1 but that doesn’t mean I want everything to be G1 because then I wouldn’t have 2001 or beast wars or the Unicron trilogy or animated or Prime or some of the comics and universe figures.

As a casual TF fan, the opening felt more like appeasing the majority who hated the bay films. Appeasing the mainly G1 fans with well, the G1 designs. Something that people kept complaining about were those bayverse designs.This film was just as forgettable as AOE and TLK due how this scene really carried this film. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have G1 things nor a scene on cybertron. It technically was nice to see it but then again, we just SEE IT, we don't process anything except haha funi blocky robots fighting. The fans are to me, split between "we want g1 stuff" vs "we're getting bored of G1 stuff"

I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on the skybound transformers comic series. It’s G1 aesthetic with Bay-level intense action that actually has interesting characters and arcs.

14:49 - 15:25 THIS!!! I knew something was familiar.

its really interesting that you pointed out the nostalgia reference in movies thing, because i absolutely agree that it doesn't change the quality however i cant deny i love when it does that because it feels passionate for the source material, and its a shame people out there assume everyone likes the movie only for references (not that im saying thats what you're saying ofc) references are fun and awesome to see but they're just a bonus to the movie for me, if sonic 2 or bumblebee lacked those big easter eggs and fanservice moments id still love the movie, but in certain instances they can definitely enhance a scene for me

Really good video as someone who really enjoys this scene i wish the rest of the movie got as much praise as this scene often gets.

I always loved Starscream's design in the War For Cybertron games as well as his TFP design. For TFP, the way he was built gave him a sense of being unique compared to his many other generations and it genuinely does speak to his character and personality traits in my opinion

Ironically, I was late to my showtime when Bumblebee came out, and I missed the opening Cybertron scene. Later on, when I rewatched the film, I finally watched the opening, and it added nothing new to the film in any possible way. The scene itself was just nostalgia/fan service, but served no purpose to the story. The movie could just start with Bumblebee arriving to Earth and encountering John Cena, and nothing changes.

In my opinion the opening scene is captured what many people like about transformers. The action is actually pleasing to the eyes you can tell who is who just by seeing or hearing their voice, the battle that we jump into is obviously for Cybertron which makes sense to why they had to abandon Cybertron find a place to regroup with other Autobots. The bav take on the transformers work really what anyone wanted for the transformer movies because there were really a story to be told. They were just have action scenes hot girl annoying human characters. Hell i couldn't even tell you who the Autobots were just buy the design

Its funny the part of the video that says "the characters must have key details of their original designs" I really don't see it necessary because Transformers was always a very changing franchise in its designs, for example look at the cliffjumper from tf energon or cyclonus from armada, the truth is very noticeable that people only like the scene out of nostalgia to see the designs and references and read the rest of the movie it doesn't matter, because always when talking about the bumblebee movie the conversation is always goes to the Cybertron scene

Anyway that opening is fire

Hot take: I don't think we've had a single bad live action Transformers movie

I still love the actual Bumblebee movie itself lol

You give good points to debate the Cybertron scene, subscribed

One thing about the bay transformer movies is that he literally just let the military do their thing

Glad to see someone else talk about how coordinated the military were in Bayformers. No other blockbuster has lived up to that action for me.

3:53 I believe he’s referencing how with this cybertron design again we can see more and tell the planet apart. We can see their architecture and buildings and the battle zones as it is all damage but still have some life to it. Whereas the bayformers cybertron had just a hexagon design to it and we really couldn’t any buildings or pieces like so on the planet. Just a very simplistic design of cybertron

Gotta say, I really like this video and your presentation. I liked the fanservice of the opening scene too but way too many fans (whether it be hardcore 80s Geewunners or harsh critics of the Bayverse) just…turn a blind eye to the style over substance approach. Like, Cam claiming there’s character development in this scene and acting like visual references are equal to good writing just grated on me. It’s also weird how he acts like the G1 designs are what made the scene great when he’s praised various non-G1 versions of the show before.

In terms of designs, I think Age of Extinction was the first Transformers movie I saw, and I loved it, I didn’t really understand who any of the characters were or what was going on, but I still had fun watching. At the very least, in terms of characters, I knew OF Optimus and Megatron, but that was about it. In fact, when I saw Bumblebee, and specifically this scene, I was again confused because I didn’t really recognize anyone in the scene, especially the deceptcons who G1 fans were SUPPOSED to recognize. When it comes to the G1 designs, I personally think most of them are pretty silly, even in animation. Soundwave Shockwave and Starscream didn’t look BAD in Bumblebee, but even watching it for the first time, I thought they looked too much like toys over robots. In a weird way, it reminds me of how the designs in My Little Pony (another hazbro property, funnily enough) evolved over time. The way I understand it, the first three generations of mlp were basically told to just take the toy designs, as they were, and animate them, which resulted in a lot of awkward movements and limited expressions. Then with G4, the ponies were specifically DESIGNED to make animation and expressions EASIER, and G5 (as criminally short as it was) took yet another design approach, making the ponies 3D and giving them more realistic proportions. In mlp the references to previous generations, weather it be G4 referencing G1 or G5 referencing G4, it was rarely any more than just that, a reference, something for the older fans to notice and not much else. The biggest exceptions that I’m aware of being legacy characters like Tirek and Grogar, the former of which was actually given a backstory and characterization, and the latter being the most elaborate red-hearing ever. From what I’ve seen, it seems like Transformers is doing something similar, but backwards, to use a few memes as references, the evolution of MLP’s designs seems to be “so glad I grew up with this, but damn this is better” whereas Transformers is more so “this is brilliant, but I *like* this”

People like me who havent watch G1 doesnt even get references, for me Transformers Prime is nostalgia, i watched Prime series when it came from tv and i was just a kid, i dont know G1 at all

I guess one reason why there isn't much story in the opening scene was because it was originally not supposed to be in the movie and was only added in a couple months before the movie was released. It's not a good excuse but it is one.

I didn’t mind the opening of the Bumblebee movie, though I did wish Megatron was kept in that opening, tearing Autobots with some lines for Megatron, Ironhide, and Starscream being these Ironhide: Don’t give up my comrades! Megatron: I AM MEGATRON!!! Starscream: Die, Autobots!

19:00 I don't mind so much that Bumblebee's Blitzwing doesn't lok like G1 Blizwing. What I care about it that he looked too much like Star Scream. They could have at least gotten the colors right.

Agree

Star Wars, ughm, i mean transformers fans;"how dare you make something new, this doesn't look or feel like what i've grown up with".(Mr)George Lucas, i mean Michael Bay;"that's rough buddy".

“Your argument… is logical” All jokes aside, over the years I’ve been increasingly leaning towards this take too. A lot of people’s defense for this scene really boils down to “it looks cool/right” because of designs matching and such. Although much like with criticisms of the Bay films, the designs being a certain way is not the reason those movies are bad, it’s because of the awful writing, unbearable and unlikeable characters, Transformers that lack depth or development or even sometimes basic characterization, etc. And here there is no talk about the rushed pacing, frantic editing that moves a bit too quick, the very awkward cinematography and camera movement throughout the scene, and the points you elaborated on in the video. I’m glad more people are talking about it, because while this scene is fun to watch and generally a nice love letter, it’s not as transcendent as some people would suggest. Also big props to you mentioning Andor in this video, that show is peak

Entirely agree. I personally grew up watching the Bay Films, Cybertron, and some other media with designs unlike G1. Those are *MY* nostalgia. What makes mine any different from someone else's? Because it didn't come first? We definitely need to branch out from the G1 designs more. G1 is neat and all, but it's everywhere at this point. And just because it was first doesn't mean we have to keep piggybacking off of it. Like, why not have Prime be something other than a truck? Old doesn't and shouldn't mean something is good. The quality of it matters. To dismiss all the action in the Bayfilms as messy is largely discrediting them. Plenty of them have excellent action that's very easy to follow. Personally, I don't see where the "I can tell who's who" argument comes from. It's very easy to look at the screen and know who's who in my eyes. As for designs? Some are eh, most are excellent. I wanna highlight Starscream who gets a lot of crap because he "Doesn't look like he turns into anything". As much as people make fun of his Dorito shape body, that's a large part of why it works. Take away his limbs and head and he's basically already a jet. He works super well when someone isn't screaming in your ear that he sucks.

I think the Rise of the Beasts opening is much better. First off, it establishes all you need to know before diving into the rest of the film with a monologue reminiscent of the Bay films openings (which is a cool reference and helps tie it in to other live action Transformers movies thematically): Who the Maximals are and where they came from, what the Transwarp key is, who Scourge and Unicron are and what they want (I don't believe it says why Unicron wants it but it says that later in the film), it shows why Scourge goes to Earth, it shows off how strong Scourge is and the god-like power of Unicron. Secondly, it is pretty. The mix of a jungle and tech is a really cool visual, gives off the impression that this is a world where animal Transformers might live. It could also be environmental storytelling by establishing that the Maximals terraformed the world as the tech would indicate, but I don't think this is really hinted at so I doesn't count. Thirdly, an awesome action scene. Scourge is pretty intimidating, walking in the dark with that ominous music playing while his red eyes glow in the shadows. And Apelinq! A cool inclusion of an obscure character. A short but neat battle scene follows, which again, shows off Scourge's combat skill and power.

The number one problem above all else I don't see talked enough about the Bayformers is the lack of characters. Development, interaction, you name it. Every one of those autobots and decepticons are interchangeable with each other. What does Bumblebee think of Ratchet? How did other Autobots feel about Sentinel's betrayal? Why didn't Bee mention Sam in TLK? These core components of a functional story are totally absent in the Bay movies and it's why I think people don't like them and may not realize it. Marvel movies are action nonsense but have extremely charismatic actors in the lead with compelling stories.

Thank god someone else finally said it 😭😭😭😭

I still maintain I did not care for bumblebee and preferred the bay movies to it. It's opening scene was fun fan service that could have just been a short video own like an action cutscene in a game.

It makes even more sense when you realize that the Cybertron opening wasn’t supposed to be in the original cut of this movie. It was actually supposed to lead into the ‘07 film. i If you look into the tie-in comic made for the video release of Bumblebee you can see that it revolves around Simmons, Benachek and “The IceMan” which; as we all know; are ideas and characters from the first film. Any scenes with Optimus on earth were also not part of the original cut either.

I would just be happy if they did a trilogy that is G1 design and follows the same landing on earth. Humans against all bots till they learn the Autobot are trying to help. Outside of that plenty of room to surprise us.

Finally someone who doesn’t think this scene is the best thing to hit TF cinema

When I watched it with my brain off I thought nothing of it. But you definitely make good points. One thought I had after this scene ended was why wasn’t this the whole movie! Literally could have been a whole movie on its own and the sequel coulda been bumblebee making it to earth

Tbh, as a long time Transformer fan (Thanks to my dad who happened to watch Transformers from when G1 started and until the Rise of the Beast) I really enjoyed Bayverse. Did it match the other series? No Were there any missing or extra items? Yes but Bayverse also Created itself a different universe with Comics that let us learn what happened behind the scenes or extras. Also I think a lot of people is missing something about Bayverse: They were in Allianed (I hope I wrote it right) Contunity. Meaning that even though Micheal Bay was the producer a lot of things were handled by Hasbro. Like Adding Ironhide in Bayverse but not TFP because it might be confusing for younger audince or setting a different desings that can be used all of the contunities that were going on that time (Books, Comics, Games, Cartoons and Films). I'm not saying Michael Bay is the best producer but people need to realise if Hasbro wants something to he added or removed producers have to do it. Also if I know right one of the reason why Bayverse was cancelled is beacuse Hasbro didn't make the profit that they were excepting with last two movies. When it comes to Bumblebee movie. Movie is great so is Rise of the beast but... For a series that promise and promotes that they would be more Cybertron/Transformers centered they have very less action and explanation but Transformers and more of a human scene. Like I get it, there has to be human and Bayverse also had a lot of human in the movies but... I think it's a bit... too much. When I was watching Bumblebee Movie for the first time I sadly couldn't watch it on cinema but from my tv. And I was confused why we were focus that girl (Charlie) who hates her parents and wants to her old life back. Like How??? Some people might think that it could be necessary for that film to work but for me. An opening scene where we supposed to see how things started being as long as her taking some kind of revenege from the people who bullied for was kind of weird. However, while both movies have their own good and bad aspects, it is absurd to criticize the other series just because we liked one movie more. I meeeaaan. Transformers is just a good profit source for Hasbro and they treat it like that with soo many contunities. Why not just enjoy and have fun? (Also if I bore anyone with my long speech sorry for that! Following Transformers from almost 15 years as a young person and having English as second language can couse troubles like this ^^")

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Why the hate on 2018's "Bumblebee"?

Style over substance? In a kids toy commercial? Say it isn't so. They aren't making Citizen Kane. Could they do a deep, complex Transformers storyline? Maybe make Megatron more sympathetic and give the Autobots nuanced motives? How many toys do you figure that would sell? Like Disney's CEO said, our job is not to make art, it's to make money. In the process of making money they may incidentally make art, but the poinr is to make money. If you are a transformers fan, get used to style over substance.

The bay films are the best! IMO

Great video

Is this a cool concept? Shockwave making a device that turns humans into cybertrinian and gives them memory loss so they don’t remember who they are?

Yes but @viri, the thing is, the story isn’t about cybertron. It’s about bumblebee just like it says in the TITLE OF THE MOVIE! All I wanted was a cool introduction that is rushed just so we could get to the part where it’s about bumblebee, aka the main star of the movie. I will say I would have liked if it entirely took place on cybertron, but then I would just want a transformers movie instead of a bumblebee centered one, so I guess this worked for what it wanted to be. Also you should be an AP English teacher because you just drone on and on shit claims and merits and evidence, so good on you Mr. Professor teach

I think this scene is so beloved by fans who only watch movies through clips uploaded to KZfaq. That’s how I got drawn into watching the full movie eventually

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To add to a point that you made, I think that the Bayverse comics publsihed by IDW have the best mix of bringing back old concepts and ideas but doing their own unique take on them while also fleshing out elements that the movies lacked such as explaining why Optimus progressively got more aggressive and bloodthirsty due to the massacres and chaos that Shockwave orchestrated in the former NEST base and in urban areas, the decline into madness and dictatorship that Megatron went through because of political issues and the eventual influence of The Fallen, and even doing an entirety different and strange take on Fortress Maximus as a man-made mobile fortress designed as part of a plan to wipe out the Transformers while also keeping his G1 counterpart's dislike for conflict and war.

I’m someone who grew up with the bay movies,TFA and TFP and a bit of rescue bots, I’m open minded to new takes of transformers and honestly in my opinion the live action reboot is complete trash they had the blue print take the positives from the bayverse and leave out the negatives, infuse the positives with new fresh story’s but instead we got nostalgia bait,lazy reused story’s and character arcs,and they kept a lot of the negatives of the bayverse while also bringing in new negatives to the table simultaneously. Nostalgia should also flow with the story not take away from it like a sore thumb Optimus turning into a flat nose in tf4 and optimus doing his iconic air flip in Revenge of the fallen is a good example of nostalgia being implemented well

Me who wants to see robots fight either in the front line in domination or desperation: Gets only 1 minute of small battles and ends there Crying my self to sleep knowing i may not get what i want for years to come

I feel like Prime buying time here was him fighting the faction leaders in deception ranks like soundwave, Starscream, and shockwave

I love the bay movie

They should have used the earth based intro scene where Bee was hiding from the humans all damaged saying “its not worth protecting them”

Character and character development>>>> I got introduced to transformers 15 years ago through the bayverse movies and I loved them, and I still like them personally. Then Transformers prime and a few other shows. I tried to enjoy G1 but it was difficult for me to enjoy, though I do keep trying to watch it through. Honestly, because I can't bring myself to care about scifi politics/who beat who in what year and who is winning what war in any scifi media (star wars, transformers, star trek etc) and I'm more into the characters and their interactions, crossing species barriers and caring about a home away from home etc., I feel like I'm in such a small portion of the fan base and what I'm here for LOL. If I were to make a show, I'd focus on character growth and change. For example, I'd probably do post-war, and write an environment where the autobots are trying to adjust from their war mindset and feeling almost lost without the war in this admittedly, still new environment. I'd keep cybertron dead because the planet's core itself died and I think reviving is too relied upon in the transformers media tbh. To keep something in effect and have to adapt is one of the hardest things to do in life but it can be more bearable when not alone. When cybertron is able to be revived, I feel like it makes the war lose a lot of its weight. To have a permanently dead cybertron and force the cybertronians to learn how to bloom in a new environment is really something that holds a lot of potential I think. So, I'd have the cybertronians take time to reflect on who was lost, what was lost, and grapple with their existence and what they think their reason for existing is in this new environment. Optimus primarily, he's been fighting for so long and wishing for peace for so long that when peace comes, he will have to go through some trials to adapt to this life. I'd keep in note the stories of peaceful veterans like Bob Ross and other veterans to keep respectfully in mind, their journey acclimating from war into a 'civilian' life. Optimus getting in touch with his Orion side again, learning to be an individual. Some bots would take the end of the war better than others. Bee would probably do well, he's always held his connections to a very high value. Soundwave would also be a very interesting character to detail with what he does post war. I've lived around veterans and soldiers all my life and the way they handle things is so different amongst each and every individual. I know not a lot of people would probably particularly enjoy this, but I really want a show that focuses less on the bad guy or the bad thing of the week until the ultimate bad guy pops up, and more on the overarching journey of the characters as they learn to live with what has changed as they learn to be patient with themselves, rediscovering life post war.