NO DOUBT'S TRAGIC RISE TO FAME, DEATH OF JOHN SPENCE & TRAGIC KINGDOM

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With No Doubt playing Coachella 2024 I thought I'd take a look at No Doubt's Tragic Rise to Fame & The story behind Tragic Kingdom
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No Doubt's early journey was marked by struggle, starting with personal tragedies, interband dynamics, and an initial record that failed commercially. Their story begins with siblings Gwen and Eric Stefani, raised in a music-loving family in Anaheim. They were influenced by ska music, leading them to form No Doubt with John Spence, who tragically took his own life in 1987. The band, shaken but determined, continued with Gwen taking on lead vocals.
Their self-financed debut album in 1992 garnered little attention despite their energetic performances. Eric's departure due to creative differences and depression further strained the band. However, they persevered, incorporating diverse influences into their music and refining their sound.
In 1995, their second album, "Tragic Kingdom," emerged after a tumultuous recording process. Hits like "Just a Girl" and "Don't Speak" propelled them to stardom, though the attention centered mainly on Gwen, causing tensions within the band. Despite internal challenges, the album's success defied industry expectations, eventually reaching diamond certification.
Their meteoric rise came with challenges as fame overshadowed band unity. Nevertheless, they embraced their success humbly, acknowledging the unpredictable nature of the music industry. By 1996, they were outselling major acts, but remained grounded, with some members planning to return to college.
Their story is one of resilience, evolving from personal tragedies and industry setbacks to becoming one of the era's biggest bands. Through perseverance and musical experimentation, No Doubt carved their path, leaving a lasting impact on the music scene of the '90s.

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@madtheghost337 Ай бұрын

Fantastic expository! As if I didn't already adore this band as is, I now have an even more newfound respect. The sharpest blades are battered the most I suppose. Well done all around.

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Thank you! When I do a full hand history I’ll probably expand on some of those early days some more

@madtheghost337 Ай бұрын

@@rnrtruestories you guys are awesome!!

@brutalbasspro Ай бұрын

My ska band opened for no doubt in 1998. Tony and I hung out and exchanged emails for a few years. He’s a really cool fellow bassist!

@JamesCraigWhoop Ай бұрын

His cousin Brad would come to our church student area and hang out. Very funny guy

@lovewillspill4460 Ай бұрын

No Doubt went to my community college. One time they showed the music teacher their music and he said “it’s good but it has no commercial viability..” They would later return years later with a platinum record in hand..

@Undergroundsubs-1 26 күн бұрын

Don't you love it when you have a passion and you finally get a break to expose your talents and the other notables & influencers come against you and mock your craft and you come out smelling like roses ?? And then they all STFU & go silent 😊

@MistyLake Ай бұрын

Yes do a full blown history on No Doubt!

@juldrums Ай бұрын

yes give us all the gory details please 😄😁😁😁

@kingnurk888 Ай бұрын

Yeah 👍

@kenterminateddq5311 Ай бұрын

"Tragic Kingdom" is one of the best albums of the 90s. It's so good that radio stations still play the TK's singles today. Thank you, Gwen Stefani and No Doubt, for making great songs for years. :)

@HellcatCustoms Ай бұрын

I saw No Doubt along with Bush and Goo Goo Dolls in 96. It was a fantastic concert!

@MrAussieUK Ай бұрын

Used to watch the video for Don't speak on MTV as a kid and think how attractive Gwen was but also a really good song.

@jeffreyval9665 Ай бұрын

I think all of us thought Gwen was really hot

@Spooky_515 Ай бұрын

Yeah Gwen was smoking hot no doubt lol 🥁

@electricwizard3000 Ай бұрын

Hey there. I was the bass guy in Tom's old band, Rising. Yes, we rehearsed next to N.D. [Slayer rehearsed in there once or twice as well] in the shadow of Angel Stadium in Anaheim, and that flyer was up on the bulletin board for a few weeks while Tom was still in our band [which was not 'fronted' by his sister, Gina, but by her husband, Mark Machovina, if by anyone - we all took turns in the spotlight], so despite all the interviews and what he told the rest of us at the time, it's obvious he'd decided to join them before he left us. Spence loved our band; there were little windows on the rehearsal rooms and he would watch us jam all the time, hollering and doing back-flips. That dude was so cool, and it was so sad what happened with him. Anyway, the guitar guy I got in there after Tom was great, but created tensions which ultimately killed Rising, which is too bad, because we were really good. I'm still in touch with everyone else from Rising, but Tom stopped returning calls and emails from me decades ago. No clue why, but whatever.

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

There were several interviews with Tom that the writer wrote his sister fronted the band

@electricwizard3000 Ай бұрын

@@rnrtruestories Yeah, that's why I let you know what the real deal was.

@abracadaverous 17 күн бұрын

Gina's also ridiculously talented. So's their brother John. There's a heavy preponderance of very good musicians in the family.

@electricwizard3000 16 күн бұрын

@@abracadaverous Indeed! Salamander was awesome. Super sweet folks too.

@DLHarv 8 күн бұрын

@@electricwizard3000are you still making music?

@greatgibby Ай бұрын

Back in 95, my high school set up a grad night for us at Disneyland. My friends and I all went and as we were walking around trying to decide what ride to go on next, we came across a live performance of these guys playing this weird music. We went over to check it out and saw this bleach blonde woman singing, jumping around on stage and climbing the scaffolding. We listened to about 2 songs and walked away saying that they sucked. Fast forward a few months later and all of of the sudden this song came on KROQ... It sounded super familiar. Turns out it was the band that we heard at Disneyland! I was totally blown away. I ended up buying their CD and absolutely fell in love with them. To this day I can't tell you why I didn't like them at first and why I switched on a dime to liking them overnight, but I can tell you that I'm still kicking myself for walking away from a No Doubt concert at Disneyland. Years later, they opened for U2 and guess what... I missed their show because my brother was late and I had his ticket... I only got to see their last song. I guess me seeing them live just isn't meant to be. 😔

@jeffreyval9665 Ай бұрын

You must live in a really wealthy area.

@BB.halo_heir Ай бұрын

@@jeffreyval9665 I doubt it, that's typical southern CA living back then,when things were good.

@williamechols2731 Ай бұрын

@@jeffreyval9665Kind of a strange reply my dude. They’re remembering their own life gone by and you’re, out of the blue, dredging up resentments.

@jeffreyval9665 Ай бұрын

@williamechols2731 Must've been an expensive senior outing. Just saying it had to be a wealthy school district. Wth is so resentful about that??

@williamechols2731 Ай бұрын

@@jeffreyval9665 Just struck me as odd you read that story and your reply was based on what you imagined her family’s wealth was. You’re right. I have no idea what you felt when you wrote your comment. It was just odd the first thing you thought about was how much money her folks had. Odd to me anyways. We all take in life in our own way. Have a good one.

@HolyShnikeez_1975 Ай бұрын

I'm a guy and back in '95 I was at a red light and got caught singing I'M JUST A GIRL IN THE WORLD THAT'S ALL THAT I'LL EVER BEEEE by the car next to me 😂

@rascaltuff Ай бұрын

Gwen is 54 years old?? where did the time go?

@socore4659 Ай бұрын

Seriously. So glad i haven't aged in all this time. That must be hard for her

@DJDizzyStorms Ай бұрын

They're an awesome band I've been listening to them since middle school

@rrsensei Ай бұрын

Yes. The whole story, please. And thank you for this one.

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

You’re welcome. The consensus seems like to do the full thing

@joelanthonyalvarado6947 Ай бұрын

I just them last night at Coachella and they were so good!!!! Gwen knows how to rock the stage. Since I was a kid I wanted to see them live and I did and it lived up to the hype. Don’t speak was one my favorite song ever and to see it live 😭

@Spooky_515 Ай бұрын

I didn’t realize they were touring again. Anyone know how long it’s been since they last played live?

@joelanthonyalvarado6947 Ай бұрын

@@Spooky_515 I think they just reunited for Coachella.

@screamdreamer9085 Ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing Joel

@markgray6982 Ай бұрын

Glen Stafani = DUDE

@mrpogo72 8 күн бұрын

Did you get a second mortgage to go to that atrocity in the desert

@sagethegreat4680 Ай бұрын

I was lucky enough to see them in concert several times ( always awesome) I even got to see them in very small standing room only venue front row .

@richardnunez3474 22 сағат бұрын

Saw them at Cattle Club Sacramento, Ca 1994

@jeremeybrown9716 Ай бұрын

"Trapped in a Box" is actually my favorite No Doubt song and video.

@trinaq Ай бұрын

I've loved this band since I was a preteen, it was amazing seeing them perform at Coachella yesterday.

@tleeg74 Ай бұрын

Wow....Gwen Stefani was so beautiful back in the day when Tragic Kingdom came out.

@jamesbarrick3403 Ай бұрын

Yes of course I would love a deeper dive on No Doubt.

@maximus1318able Ай бұрын

Great video for what was a great band. I loved their 90's/early 00's stuff. Now should do a video of the predicted sell out of Gwen stafani.

@_34_Lies Ай бұрын

Yrs, yes, yes, a full blown feature on No Doubt would be great ❤

@christopherbaker9676 Ай бұрын

Gwen being hot im sure that helped

@TheIslandDivision Ай бұрын

It is show business....

@irishhawk1 Ай бұрын

Last night's show at Coachella was such a badass reunion

@jeffreyval9665 Ай бұрын

Coachella: Where great bands and musicians from the 80's and 90's go to embarrass themselves and the garbage "musicians" of the 2000's-today get their mediocrity validated by a bunch of rich kids that have no idea what real talent looks like.

@Spooky_515 Ай бұрын

@@jeffreyval9665ouch lol

@Mr-tu4cj Ай бұрын

@@jeffreyval9665how did they embarrass themselves? lol. It was a great show. I swear people will complain about anything.

@jeffreyval9665 Ай бұрын

@Mr-tu4cj Music has been complete garbage for almost 20 years, and these kinds of bands and musicians that are still performing in their 50's is ridiculous and especially at such a corporate and commercial artificial feeling thing like Coachella. A bunch of rich kids and celebrities thinking they're edgy.

@bradlivey7867 Ай бұрын

she always gave me a rise lol love the underneath it all video

@wyleFTW Ай бұрын

I totally saw them at coachella yesterday too and tomorrow im gonna go see them at coachella!

@BatCaveOz Ай бұрын

Kanal was punching above his weight when he hooked up with Gwen.

@portuguesepossum3165 Ай бұрын

Ugh. I hate when beautiful people get all that plastic surgery done. She was one of the hottest out there 😢

@catagwen..2910 Ай бұрын

Truly love your content! Love seeing this on a Sunday morning. One of my most favorite songs from No Doubt. I have two tribute tattoos to the band.

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Wow, thank you!

@devilsguitaristmusic Ай бұрын

Yes I would like to see a longer video on the complete history of No Doubt, I feel like there's probably a lot to talk about.

@EricJohnson-qo7nz Ай бұрын

Wonderful insight and Great timing with the Coachella Reunion, looking forward to Part 2!

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@braudhadoch3432 Ай бұрын

All that surgery and she changed her entire energy. Women stop urselves!!

@transnaturalperspectivespo6133 Ай бұрын

Full history would be awesome!

@fokeyjo Ай бұрын

Yeah, that was really cool.. can't wait for part 2!

@jnissen32 9 күн бұрын

Thank you! Loved this band in the 90s-2000s, still love them today. Please do a full blown history!

@rnrtruestories 8 күн бұрын

Will do! Glad you enjoyed the video

@tonyponchopeters Ай бұрын

It's fairly simple No Doubt became huge because Gwen is a Star and has the 'It' factor. Just like in Hard Rock Sebastian Bach was a Superstar that sold that band Skid Row.

@edwardsanchez3708 Ай бұрын

I remember seeing just a girl late late night on either insomniac theater or alternative nation and I loved the song the moment I heard it. I went to school and tried to describe it to my friends guys and girls how the song was awesome and the singer was gorgeous but everyone was just like ok and. Then the song blew up a few months later and they were all obsessed with No Doubt. I felt like chunk eating the ice cream and was like see I was trying to tell y'all I was telling the truth the whole time 😂

@wendyhamm9722 Ай бұрын

Yeah! Do the continued story!

@atomfallen2409 Ай бұрын

Me My older brother and his friend did covers of ND back in the day.when ND was blowing up.what a great time it was.Please do a tour with sublime please🙏give us that time back please

@LonniDelane Ай бұрын

Sometimes I think I know everything about a band because the same stories always get repeated, but I'll click on your vid anyway because you always surprise me. Once again, you do not disappoint. Gwen is one of my all time favorite front(wo)men. Excellent research. Well done. 👏👏👏

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Thank you

@bassman8144 Ай бұрын

Great video my man. Roughly the same age as you and it’s just so cool to kind of go back and learn this stuff about the music from our younger years, kind of like a time trip. Keep up the good work, homey🤘🏼

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Thanks

@Sarah8561 Ай бұрын

I rememeber hearing just a girl for the first time, I was 14 and she became an icon overnight. Gwen totally defined the mid to late 90s, we all wanted to be her.

@electrikalstorm Ай бұрын

More no doubt! ❤

@screamdreamer9085 Ай бұрын

I have no doubt that this was a good video

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Thanks 😊

@matchsticks4 Ай бұрын

Where did the picture at 3:41 come from?! I think I had that car in high school too!

@yvettevitacaponigro Ай бұрын

Thank you for the information! 👍🏻✌🏼😊

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

You’re welcome

@yvettevitacaponigro Ай бұрын

@@rnrtruestories 👍🏻😊

@yvettevitacaponigro Ай бұрын

@@rnrtruestories 👍🏻😊

@marcohavokkhaos Ай бұрын

I gave my greatest hits album to my 12 year younger sister. She used to listen to it every day

@BasementPepperoni Ай бұрын

Oh yea man, this band was huge when I was in 7th and 8th grade. I used to listen to Magic Kingdom a lot, same with Goldfinger, lol.

@therhythmbullies6522 Ай бұрын

I would love to hear a full history of No Doubt.

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Will do!

@SexyUndisputed2All Ай бұрын

Hard or fluff whatever you call them, this us how real music and rock music should always be: from the garage to $5 bar shows to infighting to member changes to venues to getting signed to being stars All it does is grow your music and makes you better. All this audition shows and no name rappers going viral is why music from the 2000s BLOWS

@jeffreyval9665 Ай бұрын

Music has been stuck at its lowest point in history for almost 2 decades, and it just keeps getting worse. The golden age for music was the 60's-90's.

@Spooky_515 Ай бұрын

Crazy how there’s no musicians in the music industry. Just a bunch of models dancing and lip syncing and of course no talent “rappers” that come and go

@claynferno Ай бұрын

Great vid

@irishhawk1 Ай бұрын

Yeah, do that No Doubt history video

@GHP1990 Ай бұрын

You should do a video about the whole story of No Doubt! Here in Argentina the band came to be known way after their 90s success. Mainly, with their version of the song “It’s my life”. Besides that song, people remember Gwen Stefani and not the band. Particularly due to songs like “Rich Girl”, “Cool” and “Hollaback girl”. That’s why I was a little bit surprised when I saw this video, as I had no idea about how popular was this band during the 90s.

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Thanks

@allanvanuga9196 Ай бұрын

Great video.

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@devseb Ай бұрын

Great video as always

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Appreciate that

@EncoreASMR Ай бұрын

I was just listening to Trapped in a Box last weekend 😂

@stormrhode2330 Ай бұрын

I'd love another No Doubt video. 👽👍🏻

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Got it!

@WhatIsMatter101 Ай бұрын

Gwen Stefani really hit the wall.

@jamesstaggs4160 Ай бұрын

I saw them open up for 311 right before they got huge. It was at the now defunct Starwood on a side stage they had. I would have never thought they'd get that big that fast but when you got Gwen I guess it's inevitable.

@jaysonarreola9984 Ай бұрын

Full blown no doubt

@toxicavenger9562 Ай бұрын

Totally. What happened next?

@fredorubeno6547 Ай бұрын

Whats up with thumbnail gwen picture?! She look so great on coachella last week , must be bad photo angle

@user-ub9tw8gi3j Ай бұрын

Gwen was such a a cute kid when she was at the Box Office at the Marqee club

@springer90 Ай бұрын

RIP Gwen Stefani 1969-2001.

@gypsydildopunks7083 Ай бұрын

Nice :-)

@Mr-tu4cj Ай бұрын

What

@Spooky_515 Ай бұрын

Great job covering No Doubts rise to fame. Might as well finish their story

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Sounds like a lot of people want it so I’ll have to write the rest of it

@Spooky_515 Ай бұрын

@@rnrtruestorieslooking forward to it even though most fans don’t like the way the band came to an end. Thus ND fans hate Gwen’s solo stuff but I was happy for her.

@lukelyall5879 Ай бұрын

No doubt was one of metal musician Fallon bowman’s influence

@stornkolson Ай бұрын

Do a part 2 bro!

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Will do

@kay_glo Ай бұрын

I'd like to see the full history

@bosquestrength5792 Ай бұрын

Do a full video of No Doubt please

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Will do

@bosquestrength5792 Ай бұрын

@@rnrtruestories love your content bro keep em coming!

@frankzappa951 6 күн бұрын

Good video. May I be bold enough to suggest a big beard sir?

@rnrtruestories 6 күн бұрын

You’re not the first person to tell me This haha

@fat__curious5580 Ай бұрын

Please do Firehouse 😁

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Already done but honestly I could do a more detailed video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bqqXaaygtbyXk30.htmlsi=xGRs_AJf0kAyHSuP

@mirthenary Ай бұрын

I don't know if it'd be possible to do a history on Mushroomhead, so many members come and gone, and in fact, currently only one original member is left

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

I did a story on them and slipknot a while back

@tillross4078 Ай бұрын

I like there sound , and have seasoned to be good musician's , to bad her and Blake Shelton are Devoicing , but she does have 3 kids from different Dad's ,, Just Saying 🌴 Great job on video 👍

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Thanks

@TheWriteStuffWC Ай бұрын

All her kids are with Gavjn

@DW-nb2zc Ай бұрын

And fall

@drugsdelaney2907 Ай бұрын

Who’s watching on a Sunday morning?

@LostPunk5545 Ай бұрын

Your Mum.

@joeyree22 25 күн бұрын

But I just came up in a breeze….

@jordanthegill2069 Ай бұрын

What happened to the band summer camp? It’s just a Drawer away!!!

@harryallen1175 Ай бұрын

Am I the only one that loves tragic Kingdom but hates return to saturn?

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Yeah I didn’t like their albums after tragic kingdom

@Mr-tu4cj Ай бұрын

Return of Saturn is good in my opinion, and Rock Steady is one of my favorite of their albums.

@gwts1171 Ай бұрын

I saw them open for Fishbone way back when John Spence was the singer. They were a lot of fun. Though I was more on the punk side of ska, I always liked them. I can't stand Gwen's solo stuff, though.

@socore4659 Ай бұрын

That shit is bananas B-A-N-A-N-A-S!!! Have fun having that one stuck in your head😂😂😂🤮🤮🤮

@schmidington Ай бұрын

"It's not a Steel Panther song." LOL!

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Love me some steel Panther

@kurthandrews6206 22 күн бұрын

I thought Tony was born in the UK ? Please confirm.

@Rubberbandman0529 21 күн бұрын

you're right

@trance9158 Ай бұрын

I liked No Doubt but once Gwen went solo she sucked

@RobbyRaccoon Ай бұрын

She ain't no hollaback girl.

@yvettevitacaponigro Ай бұрын

@@RobbyRaccoon 😂🤣👍🏻✌🏼😊

@yvettevitacaponigro Ай бұрын

@trance 🙄 do you have a record out? Are you famous? What do you do to make a living? Everyone is entitled to their opinion I get it. My mom always told me if you do not have anything. Nice to say. Say nothing. ✌🏼😊

@trance9158 Ай бұрын

@@yvettevitacaponigro artist should expect criticism. Just because you don't like it doesn't make your opinion any different than the next. Take a number

@trance9158 Ай бұрын

@@yvettevitacaponigro P. S. Actually I do have recording and writing credits how about you??

@InAltum. 13 күн бұрын

That's a whole lotta BPA...

@tfsonicyouth88 Ай бұрын

Eric left before tragic kingdom was being made.

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

No he left in late 1994 they were well into making the record according to his la times interview

@kc0lif Ай бұрын

gwen stefanie is doing great. she's with blake shelton dude you got blindfold on you didn't mention him really.

@Dracula-sn3so Ай бұрын

Saw them with Bush in Detroit and it didn’t go well, the crowd just wasn’t interested and Gwen was pissed off talking shit about the crowd and city¥

@JustAnAverageWoman69 Ай бұрын

When I was a kid I wanted so badly to look like Gwen 😆

@Spooky_515 Ай бұрын

When I was teenager I hated Gavin because I wanted to be with Gwen lol

@jeffreymoscardelli8428 Ай бұрын

This is more of a money grab the whole Coachella thing I watched some videos put on KZfaq and the drummer kept looking down tony kanal would look down and off to the side of over to the drummer you got the vibe playing this for the money not where back

@Hemibuck95 Ай бұрын

You often make mention of quotes from Spokane newspapers. You must be from Spokane?

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Nope from Canada

@Hemibuck95 Ай бұрын

I'm also in Spokane. Thanks for the great videos!

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

@@Hemibuck95you’re welcome. I live pretty close to Washington though.

@tonyponchopeters Ай бұрын

It was her Catholic background that made her passive?

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

It was her catholic background she blamed for her bad traits in an interview she gave

@SmartCookie2022 Ай бұрын

A good little pop band that was inspired by the British ska scene. Other than that, nothing more to say. Oh, I didn't like their cover of a Talk Talk song which was vastly superior to begin with.

@rogermoreno1152 Ай бұрын

I loved No Doubt. I absolutely despise Stefani’s post No Doubt pop trash music. That Bananas song makes me want to put an axe through the stereo 🤮

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

I know I hate that song too

@Spooky_515 Ай бұрын

I was glad to see Gwen get all the success in the world. Tragic Kingdom was a great album but all down hill after that so she made a tough choice, one that paid off for her.

@rogermoreno1152 Ай бұрын

@@Spooky_515 don’t get me wrong, I’m grateful for that too. In fact, I don’t harbor any ill will towards her for the career choices she’s made. She became a very successful solo artist and i absolutely acknowledge and applaud her for that. I’m simply not a fan of the musical style she veered into is all. I really loved her as the vocalist for No Doubt, they were fantastic and very unique

@feedingcrowsmedia2145 Ай бұрын

Stay up G. McNair 👑👊🏿

@vistalite Ай бұрын

It’s sad that’s musician makes a way better living being a talent show celebrity judge than a recording/touring artist.

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Agreed

@Xxrocknrollgod Ай бұрын

Tony Ferguson?? UFC lol

@alczervik3908 Ай бұрын

Unlikely Rise? Jimmy Iovine met Gwen & said “Keep working on your songs & your fashion - im going to make u famous in four years.” She had the backing of the most powerful music exec at the time. 😂

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Well kroq told them it would take an act of God for them to get played and their label kept rejecting their songs for tragic kingdom…so I wouldn’t say it was easy and Gwen repeatedly in interviews and their other members expected their third record to fail

@joebot9309 Ай бұрын

Worst decision of her life was getting face surgery.

@rnrtruestories Ай бұрын

Yeah it looks really weird now

@Mr-tu4cj Ай бұрын

It’s the lip fillers. Her face looks ok otherwise. The overfilled lips with the tight facelift isn’t a good look.

@joeyree22 25 күн бұрын

As a 42 year old woman, I agree! It’s hard guys, there is lots of pressure not to age! Thankfully, my man is delighted with a natural face ❤

@laartwork Ай бұрын

Too bad about the botched botox.

@MedalionDS9 Ай бұрын

They started in the ska-punk thing but imo they were never very good in that genre, and it's no wonder they had huge success moving away from that style in "Tragic Kingdom". I love ska-punk but their stuff wasn't that appealing to me unless they mixed it with other influences... which is their most well known trait.