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@woodypwx 19 күн бұрын
ID.7 has surprisingly good range. It’s significantly higher weight and a larger car. Also, I thought its 6.5 sec to 100km/h would be slow for me, but now I’m always driving in Chill mode in my Model 3 LR to keep family happy and that’s 7.5 sec 🤦🏻♂️
@darcsentor 18 күн бұрын
lol, my family always wants me to drive in “chill” mode too. They all get car sick on corners at average speed for me. My car takes around 11 sec to 100km/h. Would love a higher performance car but don’t think the family would survive.
@happysporran 19 күн бұрын
You couldn't have tried any harder to make it a fair test👍
@georgepelton5645 19 күн бұрын
This is a great test. Measuring the kWh needed to recharge includes heat losses when charging, so you can compare actual cost of road trips.
@jelledenburger992 19 күн бұрын
I almost thought this would be the video where you announce you bought a Tesla ;-)
@abraxastulammo9940 19 күн бұрын
People have to realise you can't just terminate a lease contract 🤷
@mba668 18 күн бұрын
Why should he if ID7 is better?
@DanielTudor-qw7oc 19 күн бұрын
There is big different in consumption between 18 " and 19 " wheels on TM3, around 10% at least...
@mipmixchannel 16 күн бұрын
it has to be compared to a RWD M3 !!! NOT AN AWD !!! from my point of view it's not fair ...
@Foersom_ 10 күн бұрын
@@mipmixchannel the ID7 RWD motor has more torque (545 Nm) than the dual motor Tesla 3 LR.
@jjonkie 17 күн бұрын
No heatpump ? thats asking for a winter test..
@xXxM4nuxXx 19 күн бұрын
8:28 The advantage of this issue is that you pay the same for 52.0 kWh or for 52.99kWh and you can see the amount after coma before stopping the charge
@ricokaden6562 19 күн бұрын
The VW was PAID, I want a re test 😂
@BatteryLife 19 күн бұрын
Thank you
@stevomoto 19 күн бұрын
Would be great to see this test with both cars running from 100% to zero for a perfect comparison.
@e94mli 17 күн бұрын
I really like the actual consumption numbers from the charger, nobody else does that. 👍👍
@lulzimi 19 күн бұрын
I'm looking at the estate/touring version of ID.7. Will you be able to compare that to the ID.7 Sedan?
@gunnarchristoffersson7629 19 күн бұрын
Thanks for a very informative, interesting and funny video. Good job!
@teslooja 19 күн бұрын
Id7 for the win. Big car.
@HanYou2 19 күн бұрын
I test drove a model y and id.7 last week, ordered the id.7 86kwh. I think the id.7 is better value than the model 3. The base model is only a few grand more expensive but you get more range, more space, more comfort. If all you need is more sporty then model 3 is better
@infernovideo 15 күн бұрын
Great test, thanks for sharing all of the details. Maybe you can get an AWD ID.7 to compare since you can't get a RWD LR 3?
@henvan8737 19 күн бұрын
For autopilot you don't have to squeeze the steering wheel, just apply a light steering torque. I find in my Tesla if I am looking ahead and not at the screen constantly like you are the internal camera sees you are driving correctly and almost never askes me to confirm a steering torque test.
@abraxastulammo9940 18 күн бұрын
@@henvan8737 just tape off the camera?
@tsh4k 9 күн бұрын
@@abraxastulammo9940 It will show a "camera blocked" warning and then you have to apply frequent torque to steering wheel.
@hankmoody7521 19 күн бұрын
For me: either Model 3 SR RWD or ID.7 Pro S Tourer with the big battery.
@rempha 17 күн бұрын
Heaving the 18” aero wheels for Tesla gives you 10% more range/efficiency when comparing with 19” sport wheels.
@pernommensen1012 18 күн бұрын
Well done 👍
@KristianKratochvil 18 күн бұрын
For Tesla vehicles just connect them to Tessie or Tronity where you get your statistics even if you are not the owner of the vehicle
@chdancer22 16 күн бұрын
I bought one. Very happy
@Lascarnn 19 күн бұрын
I remember 2 years ago all Tesla fanboys were shouting "VW is 10 years behind Tesla, they won't be able to make efficient car!". Oh I don't like that fanaticism.
@sorinelpustiu5674 18 күн бұрын
They still are,Tesla has twice the power my friend.Are we really comparing 450hp+ with 280hp? I own a VW EV and it is honestly ancient compared to my Model Y .Did i mention a ID7 costs 50% more? i must've forgot.
@Lascarnn 18 күн бұрын
@@sorinelpustiu5674 You're getting very emotional, so I don't know if you're even open for discussion. Unfortunately it's typical. Anyway - My EV has 200 hp and in 99% cases I'm still completely fine with Eco mode. It's still a LOT. What I was referring to was that 2 years ago I heard tons of times from Musk fanatics that VW will never be able to reach Tesla level and here we see it's not true. Of course, Tesla is more powerful, but ID7 is FAR more luxurious car than TM3 - the sound isolation, the seats, the suspension, etc. Even if comparing to Highland, which still is noisy in the cabin for today's standards.
@sorinelpustiu5674 18 күн бұрын
@@Lascarnn so i stated facts,i said i own both, and again we are comparing 280hp with 450hp,do you think it makes no difference in efficiency? I owned 22 different car makes, I'm not a Tesla fan or a VW fan.I'm a car fan. Btw,Tesla Model Y was the most sold CAR in the world in 2023,to say Tesla is not dominating shows ignorance to a high degree.
@aaronbounds1336 18 күн бұрын
VW has about 14,000 people working on software, and Tesla has about 150. Talk about efficiency.
@ATORO1 18 күн бұрын
@@LascarnnIt seems your technical facts don't really lined up. I can understand where the frustration comes from but calling others fanatics and bring luxury to efficiency comparison is quite the emotional value added. But overall they were wrong. It was not 10 year difference. VW catch up a lot in 2 years. Now few more years to match in AWD to AWD or RWD to RWD efficiency.
@karelski 19 күн бұрын
In the Netherlands, the ID.7 Pro Business with heatpomp costs €61,770 and the Tesla in this color and rims costs €52,990. This is probably the biggest difference between these cars 😜. And the GTX Business €71.580,- 😭
@fabi-9971 19 күн бұрын
The VW is much more car.
@colonelccccc 19 күн бұрын
ID7 is built better, has a more comfort in the suspension, software is worse I give you that, but still to me a better car for many reasons, not to mention the terrible Tesla service and warranty, and don't bring the supercharger in this discussion, they're now available for almost everyone.
@karelski 19 күн бұрын
@@fabi-9971 that's right, but for a private buyer that is a lot of money. I don't think the ID.7 is worth that
@wiktorturo2417 19 күн бұрын
ID7 is Model S size
@did00p 19 күн бұрын
@@fabi-9971 is it really worth 20 000 euros more??? for 20 000 you can have 2-3 year diesel for long trips for "free"
@fgerstm2069 19 күн бұрын
It would be better to compare it to the MY.
@Foersom_ 19 күн бұрын
No, compare it with Tesla S that is the same size segment as ID7.
@jamesraisonx 18 күн бұрын
@@Foersom_correct
@S4L55 18 күн бұрын
Vw looks more efficient, winner
@tsh4k 9 күн бұрын
He compared AWD Tesla vs. RWD ID.7 with half the horsepower. The AWD ID.7 is much less efficient of course.
@psandbergnz 19 күн бұрын
Not enough on the driving experience, including comfort and refinement, between the two cars!
@EBali21 16 күн бұрын
How much do these types of batteries hold in the vw? How much is the degradation at 100,000 km?
@deurkl 19 күн бұрын
Keep in mind in Germany online you can get good discounts on the ID models if you don’t mind having no dealer as contact person, about 25% of the list price at least!
@jirispinar6220 19 күн бұрын
How?
@deurkl 19 күн бұрын
@@jirispinar6220 For example at APL
@abraxastulammo9940 19 күн бұрын
@@deurklNo
@jellyd4889 19 күн бұрын
25pc is impossible. 10pc maybe. Carwow und ähnliches, EU reimporters, bei VW Händler Angebote Online. Usw. Wer sucht, findet.
@abraxastulammo9940 18 күн бұрын
@@jirispinar6220 Due to the "Agenturmodell" of sales there are basically no dealer given discounts (maybe up to 1000 EUR), it all depends on VW's own promitional activities like "VW Umweltprämie" or such. Maybe an artificial 2nd hand market does not have these limits, so the car could be registered first and then passed on to the customer with discounts.
@runeversveen9598 19 күн бұрын
🤨 strange charging result…..
@abraxastulammo9940 19 күн бұрын
Does Tesla have a sticker with recommended tire pressures? 🤔
@woodypwx 19 күн бұрын
central screen is showing the optimal (2.9 Bar) as well as measured pressure for each wheel (it has active measuring, unlike ID.7 ABS based relative one). I’m using 3.1 bar for better range, but less comfort
@abraxastulammo9940 19 күн бұрын
@@woodypwx If it is 2.9 Bar, why does he claim 3.1 is the intended factory value?
@tN0able 19 күн бұрын
It says „42 kWh added during last charging session“ on the Tesla app screenshot 🤔
@abraxastulammo9940 19 күн бұрын
But he had to change the stall
@tN0able 19 күн бұрын
@@abraxastulammo9940 sure but also repeated the charging on another day
@SeeliLeck3r 18 күн бұрын
I love the Tesla fanboys still annoyed and angry... I mean, this is only a car, chill out for a change. You love your Tesla, great, but please, accept that they are not the best in everything 🙃
@abebegirmay3327 19 күн бұрын
What about the price? Did you compare the price of both cars you have in the video?
@Robert-bv7of 19 күн бұрын
Might as well compare price since he’s comparing RWD and AWD. 😂
@abebegirmay3327 18 күн бұрын
@@Robert-bv7of Both are AWD but I do think the VW is more expensive than the Tesla compared in the video
@SFzip 15 күн бұрын
ID.7 not coming to the U.S. anytime soon.
@wonderboy75 10 күн бұрын
😢
@arthimodo 19 күн бұрын
So, the first time, you preheated by navigating to the SuC, but don't know, how much it charged (pre-heating loss during drive => higher consumption). The second time, you do know, how much, but did you also preheated enough or did the car preheated during charging? Thats a big difference. So, for me, there is an excuse again. By the way, the car also shows, how many kWh you charged.
@Robert-bv7of 19 күн бұрын
You might consider comparing 2 similarly speced cars. Either both AWD or both RWD.
@abraxastulammo9940 19 күн бұрын
But at the same time it needs to be the same weight. 😅
@tesladude1683 19 күн бұрын
@@abraxastulammo9940 Weight is only a disadvantage when accelerating. If it has regen a higher weight is better. At constant speed weight is really no issue. Cd/Cw (wind efficiency is the deal) But AWD vs RWD is not a fair comparision.
@Foersom_ 19 күн бұрын
@Robert,The ID7 RWD motor has more torque (545 Nm) than a Tesla 3 LR with dual motors (493 Nm). What is unfair is that Tesla 3 is a size class smaller than ID7. ID7 is same size as Tesla S.
@andrew7455 19 күн бұрын
Are you going to test Xpeng G6?
@mba668 18 күн бұрын
No !! No Chinese cars! China government tries to ruin the carmakers as they did with solar!
@sorinelpustiu5674 19 күн бұрын
A buddy in the UK is the general manager for the biggest VW dealership and they have not sold a single Id7 since it came out . The salespeople all have bets on who will finally sell one. Id7 is a flop unfortunately,WAY too expensive
@colonelccccc 19 күн бұрын
Indeed, the price is too high, but still they wont discount it and prefer to let all the stock rot in-place, and these cars are not petrol cars, the more they keep them the less they're worth.
@LuciaGomez-yb3om 19 күн бұрын
You see the M3H everywhere on the road i haven’t seen the ID7 yet. Have to say that the ID reputation is very very bad due to all the software FAILS last years
@wassap786 19 күн бұрын
They arent sold through the dealerships though, they are sold through the fleet network in the main, and i know quite a few people that have ordered one as company cars, VW are doing pretty good deals on them.
@abraxastulammo9940 19 күн бұрын
@@wassap786They outsold EQE and i5 last month in Germany
@ora10053 19 күн бұрын
I saw more Fisker Ocean cars in the wild in Germany than the id.7 :D
@colonelccccc 19 күн бұрын
ID7, if it was a little bit cheaper, it could overtake Tesla MY, at the actual asking price, no chances.
@rasmussrensen6119 19 күн бұрын
I agree. It's just a stupid price.
@UhOhUmm 19 күн бұрын
They can't make them fast enough as it is, why would they make the price lower?
@woodypwx 19 күн бұрын
ID.7 is a larger, more comfortable and a better equipped car. Compare it’s price to Model S
@colonelccccc 19 күн бұрын
@@woodypwx No, for that VW has the Taycan, which to me, is better in every way.
@colonelccccc 19 күн бұрын
@@UhOhUmm because Tesla is offering for around 15K less a comfortable/family car that goes a bit further with good software, but bad build quality. As much as I'd like an ID7, the 62K bare minimum for it is too much, I'd go for it for 10-8K less.
@emilsohn1671 19 күн бұрын
Yes yes this test looks nice and all, but the ID7 doesn't have a heat pump. Tesla 3 is still king, as it will perform more evenly across the seasons due to the Heatpump.
@Vercixx 19 күн бұрын
@@emilsohn1671 but you can spec it with the heatpump
@Foersom_ 19 күн бұрын
Tesla 3 is also a size class smaller than ID7.
@Zereniti77 19 күн бұрын
Mdel 3 is just too small for me. I can’t sit in the back seat, I feel like I’m sitting very low on the ground overall, and the hatchback on the iD.7 is superior. Frunk on M3 is cool though. Oh, and I hate the lack of indicator stalks on M3. I hate, hate, hate it. Designed by someone who never drives in a roundabout. Also semi-functional automatic wipers, no ultrasound sensors, all for penny-pinching. Not to mention the fact that CEO and majority owner of Tesla is a crazy person bent on ruining the world.
@Bemx2k 19 күн бұрын
ID 7 pro with similar price to Tesla Model 3 LR could be a Tesla killer .
@lukewdk2482 19 күн бұрын
That’s why it’s not and won’t be.
@christianlinke380 19 күн бұрын
In Germany starting price is pretty close between Id 7 and M3 LR.
@itsatrap7215 19 күн бұрын
Nothing is a Tesla killer. Like nothing is a Honda killer, Or a VW killer, or a Toyota Killer. nothing is going to deciemate one brand.
@framelessmonk1724 13 күн бұрын
We test drove the ID4. It is felt old even compared to the Ford MachE. The Hyundai twins are way better executed than the ID4 as well. It feels VW simply slapped an EV powertrain on one of it's ICE platform. Sales persons seemed clueless about this product. An ex-colleague had an ID4. But sold it within 2 years replaced by a Model Y. Now that VW has given up on its EV innovation and partnering with Rivian, we might see some innovative products in the coming year.
@wonderboy75 10 күн бұрын
(Edit: Maybe you didn’t like the ID4, and that’s fair, but) The ID4 is an built on an entirely new EV platform called MEB. The E-Golf that is also a very nice EV was built on the old ICE platform. (Btw, I actually like some of the interface «real buttons» in the Golf better than the ID4.) The new ID4 2024 has improved in many areas though.
@henvan8737 19 күн бұрын
I find your efficiency figures difficult to understand. The ID-7 is a larger and heavier vehicle the coefficient of drag is poorer compared to Model 3 and your figures indicate the efficiency is slightly better compared to Model 3. I think you need another approach.
@TomasitsAkos 19 күн бұрын
Tesla MY for family or M3 perf for fun. Both are a lot cheaper and for me a lot better as well.
@LuciaGomez-yb3om 19 күн бұрын
Model 3 highland is a winner! Dual motor allot more performance and actually the same consumption. ID7 GTX is way to expensive.
@Foersom_ 19 күн бұрын
ID7 with RWD motor has more torque than a Tesla 3 LR with dual motors. About consumption, the ID7 does great considering it is a size class larger than Tesla 3.
@tsh4k 9 күн бұрын
@@Foersom_ You repeat this over and over in the comments but it's an irrelevant stat. The 0-60 time for the ID7 is 50% slower.
@14energy 19 күн бұрын
In my market the difference between these two cars is approx 20k eur. No brainer, tesla wins
@Foersom_ 19 күн бұрын
"No brainer, tesla wins" OK, Tesla is a winner, for people without a brain.
@martinnnbeno 18 күн бұрын
In my country there is no difference after regular discount Skoda Enyaq vs Tesla Model Y. The engine is same 210kW and I can confirm superb efficiency on 19" wheel.
@i.p2088 18 күн бұрын
I will buy an electric car when people will stop taking about the range.. How long it takes to charge.. Terrible experience.
@fbagostinho 19 күн бұрын
Who calculates the avg consumption / km with charging loss? 😂 These calculation are pointless and very inaccurate. Both cars have the same consumption reported from the trip meter and for the id7 thats amazing! Claiming better consumption for the id7 is wrong and you know it...
@MajoNos 19 күн бұрын
Man chill out…
@tdome3000 19 күн бұрын
He also showed you the car's average consumptions, you junkie.
@colonelccccc 19 күн бұрын
Hey man, if you have shares in VW no need to lose your sh** here.
@Vercixx 19 күн бұрын
The consumption with charging loss shows how much you pay/km, so it's not pointless at all. Without charging loss (e.g. from the trip meter) it shows you how much range you could get.
@hummerltheOh 19 күн бұрын
You wanna know who uses this "pointless" consumption value including charging losses? The "Worldwide harmonised Light vehicles Test Procedure"... maybe WLTP rings a bell 😉
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