got to play hard ball with them, same situation but stated I wanted to return it. They paid me 250 to keep it. Had bike shop fix it then sold it. They have headset quality control issues.

I got a $20 credit for minor saddle damage and discount on a bottom bracket after removing it incorrectly from Ride 1 up.

Bought 2...no issues.

I bought a Core 5. Love it.

Bought a 700 and have a couple hundred km's on it - flawless though I wish I'd put some plastic on the seat post to protect the paint from the chain lock. Ride1Up has been very responsive on customer service to my general questions and needs. Highly recommend them so far.

Could be that folks realize they actually don’t like the outdoors haha

@@Spindatt you didn’t have to call me out like that

Dunno, have 3,000+ miles on mine...

Same can be said for all bikes, head down any residential street and just about every home will house at least one bicycle, how many of those bicycles ever get ridden? Ebikes are new to the general population, so the number that are bought, ridden a few times and shoved in a garage is going to be fairly large. The "dad bike" ebike market is going to be crazy in another 4 or 5 years. Which should be awesome times. If you were to tally up miles ridden by bicycle the vast, vast majority would have been ridden by a small fraction of the total bike owning population (in the US). Of that small fraction, ebikes will have taken a substantial share. The beauty of it is that, at least for myself, nearly every mile on my ebike is a mile that I would have driven. For recreation/fitness I still ride my road or fat bike as my ebike is a chonky beast. I honestly don't know how many miles I have on my ebike total, assembled from kit in 2016-7, I've got just over 1000 miles since May this year commuting and running errands. I would HIGHLY recommend an ebike for those living car free! Picking up a trailer makes grocery getting a breeze. The maintenance is real, but not expensive, time consuming or difficult. Race compound tires may not me a great choice, but continental marathon or similar have no problem. With a mid-drive (i have a bbso2) keeping the chain cleanish and not grinding gears is mandatory unless you wish to really go through chains and cassettes. Also I stuck with an 8 speed set up for the beefier chain and cheap components for this reason. A logical strategy is to buy 3 chains with every cassette, rotate chains every 3-400 miles until they are all worn nice and evenly with the cassette. Ok, that sounds awful, it really isn't that bad, the chain and cassette I have on there now are still just fine after at least 1400 miles, worn enough that the cassette is due to be replaced with the chain, but still shifting perfectly well. When that day comes it'll be the third chain and second cassette overall in 3 years of relatively heavy use and 6 years total, more than an analog bike, but not insane.

@@All4Grogg I think you mailed it with the dad bike market comparison. I also think a lot of bike lovers are buying these bikes for/with their non-biking friends and family, so naturally they'll stop getting used when those friends and family remember that they don't like biking.

Yep! Havent tried an Ebike snd not really interested in one either. Barely more intrigued than a Toyota Prius which would be less than no interest. Fixed gear is where its at. Get that heart pumping and those thighs engaged. SS is alright but there is something special about riding fixed.

I'm a mechanic. E bikes are definately job security! More complexity, more service, more sales, MORE PROFIT! I'm 61 years young. Still riding singlespeeds or fixed gear offroad often. It makes me feel like a kid again! It's my favorite and most used bike. Most people think singlespeeds are impossible because they've simply never tried one!!

As a short answer to a well thought out comment: I WANT ONE OF THOSE ALPINE TRAIS!!

That’s a good thought. I’ll be interested in seeing how the battery on this thing lasts over the years

Several of my older customers are on their 2nd or 3rd warranty motor in less than 3 years. They're usually running their motors on turbo mode constantly in our big local mountains. E bikes eat drivetrain parts and brakes for lunch. The extra weight and wattage make this logical. E bikes are a constant source of warranties for us. Service and wiring are definately complex and labor intensive. Seriously consider about buying an extended service warranty. It will pay for itself. E bikes are certainly job security for mechanics like me. They're lots of fun, but you've got to budget extra money for replacements and service. They are not nearly as affordable, simple and reliable as regular bicycles.

@@rollinrat4850 that's what I was thinking and sort of fearing, a motor issues or some sort of controller issue and of course just the normal degeneration of the battery. I mean I like them a lot, and it makes a lot of sense for a lot of people, but just not for me right now.

also I think a lot of people don't really have any idea about mechanics or electrons and without that understanding I can imagine it's easy to damage the motors, gears etc.

@@BruceChastain I think the biggest issue is marketing bullshit, materialism and merely being gullible. The larger bike industry is pretty well known and documented to be money hungry and often irresponsible towards their consumers. Its evident their only care is profit taking and pleasing stockholders. Im privy to constant warranties, safety recalls and all sorts of time wasting issues that make me less productive. Therefore I earn less money. I sort of resent that, but I don't really fix bikes for the money. I don't need to. I just enjoy my job, believe it or not! When it stops being fun I'll quit and my bosses all know it. I enjoy getting my hands dirty and solving problems. Ive helped build things from carbon that fly in space, yet I'll only buy metal bikes. Ive also built METAL test hardware for a mechanical engineering test lab at NASA. My boss completely shattered a carbon h'bar in an expert downhill race just yesterday. He cased a jump, but wouldn't have crashed if the bar didn't break. He's riding metal bars from now on. Many large manufacturers (making things in Asia) almost solely rely on retailers to make up for the brunt of their compromise. I resigned from Rockshox when they tried to force me to a sign off unsafe crown/ steerer assemblies. 10000 questionable forks went on the market. I identified the exact cause of the problem. Worn out press tooling. SIMPLE Hardware I could have machined in less than a day. Ive also worked as a source inspector at several manufacturers not related to bicycles. We built stuff human lives rely upon. This isn't 'QC' used as a quality process. We used 'QA', quality assurance, a much more intensive and expensive process. I know what many companies try to get away with. Nobody is fooling me. I also know well that there are good practical alternatives available to bike consumers, but people need to ignore marketing BS. Research, learn and think for themselves. A consumer is SOLELY responsible how they part with their own freakin money! Its not logical to trade money for even potential problems. I'm a retired mechanical inspector and machinist from high reliability industries, so the low quality and poor engineering, not to mention impracticality of production bikes is quite apparent to me. This is what I rant about often. I'm going to keep beating this drum! I simply love simple bicycles. Bicycles can be extremely simple machines for the vast majority of consumers. I enjoy serving my customers and helping out like minded bike freaks. Cycling nearly saved my life. I'm soon moving somewhere quieter, less crowded with lots of big open space. I'm also an avid 4 wheeler. Ive wrenched on all sorts of machinery. I'm very sure motorcycles are easier to service as well as much better engineered, not to mention, a far better value than E bikes. When I can pedal hard any longer that's what I'll get. I can ride all the demo bikes, e bikes or otherwise if I want. I can get all this overpriced stuff not much above cost. People don't want to know what productive bikes really cost! Not considering what they're charging. I have riding buddies who build my custom frames. I'm glad to pay them full price or barter my time and skills. I'm learning to braze and weld. I build custom wheels as a business. I design, spec and assemble all my bikes from a bare frame. I can make my own high quality products if I'm motivated. DIY has the largest potential for the highest quality as far as I'm concerned!

Yeah that’s true! I should have gotten a smaller size for this one to include more people to try

Booo. Explore your whole city/state/region on brakeless track bikes ride 100+ miles alone because no one can keep up

Sounds like with mid-drive, you should get higher quality drivetrain components to deal with the torque. Which adds to the mid-drive cost. But it's important, 5000 km is impressive

How are you liking the Roadster V2 thinking about getting one

@@sneakersonfeet9045 the price was right and it looks great so I love it for that.. I ride a 15 to 20 mile fitness ride so I keep the power level on one or two the whole time and it's fantastic. I changed the handlebars out to bullhorn style handlebars so that I could change my grip during my ride when I needed to. I love the belt drive because I don't have to do anything to it and it's super quiet.

@@MichaelBLevi Fellow Roadster V2 rider and love mine. I went skinny fixy style with mine due to needing to get through traffic and narrow paths without clipping people or car mirrors and process of shaving weight by swapping out carbon and lighter bits. I found the biggest difference was putting better brakes on but limited selection of mid-reach out there. Plan to wear the hell out of my Kendas but two thousand miles on and they still look new!

@@MichaelBLevi thanks so much for the feedback, I think I’ll be ordering one!

@@sneakersonfeet9045 That's great! I really hope you enjoy the bike and get to put lot's of miles on it.

they're totally awesome, there's just always that realization that happens after the dust settles hahah

There's no way he only lost one bar unless he turned off power assist for a good portion of the ride. I've got 2500 miles on this bike and I know its range under different PAS levels.

Also there's the added weight and extra watts. Chains and drivetrains wear faster under even careful use. Brake parts certainly see heavier usage. Faster wear and even potential damage seems obvious to me. But I repair e bikes all the time. They're job security and a constant source of warranties. On E MTBs you sometimes can't be so careful either. But they sure are fun. I can ride demos if I want. I'll never buy one though. I'll get a motorbike. Its much cheaper.

This is why torque-sensing mid-drives are the better choice, in my opinion. Also, buying or building an e-bike with a shift sensor/cutoff helps to mitigate the premature wear on drivetrains. I feel like a belt-drive and heavy-duty internal hub solution would be best. I think there is a few e-bike companies making belt-driven e-bikes. Priority Cycles comes to mind.

It’s got an HG style hub, so regular cogs you can put on! Then I swapped just the cranks and left the square taper BB in there

Hey I own a V2 also and you can get like 30s on. Stock rims are no great shakes but not bad. It comes with Kenda Kwest 28s, which suit it well and are puncture resistant (although I respect ERic's desire to tinker with tires, it's meant for road and not gravel!) They make a gravel edition with disc brakes and I think a bit more tire clearance. I could see the benefit of tubeless if you can re-lace yourself you may find it economical to replace it but that's pretty low on my priority list. Saddle - Silicone Wolftooth Foam Grips - Carbon Bars - Carbon Stem - mid-reach brake and pad upgrade - Carbon seatpost has been my upgrade path so far. Lot's of people put Redshift stems and seatposts on and love them! Also I am not a Slime / Flatout fan but lots of riders put it in their rear tire as changing out a flat with a belt drive nutted rear hub means either more tools or a really not fun roadside tube change.

Swapped it to chain drive with just normal single speed stuff

If anyone tries to sell you a battery based on range, they are full of it. First start with how much assistance you desire, that'll determine the draw of the motor in watts. Once you have a good guesstimate of how many watts convert to watt hours and purchase a battery that'll provide that and a good cushion. Climbs, cargo and speed play a massive part if determining range and they are all different from rider to rider. I have a 42 mile commute with ~2500' of climbing, my BBS02 equipped hardtail with 26x1.75 tires and slammed stem can get me to work and back with 480 watt hours if I'm taking it slow and pushing myself, I can also burn through 700-800 watt hours if I got up late on a Friday (sprint stage) and feel like taking it easy without going slower. Same bike, same battery, same rider, same route even, but different choices and thus wildly different "range" figures. Sounds like a different language, but I assure you it isn't that complicated.

Well the motor itself will still go to its max speed, cause you can just spin the crank without engaging the pawls of the hub… and ultimately do 0 works. But yes, I spin the gear out sometimes

Lol these ones are 32 vs the 38’s on the beauty machine

Mid drive, 8 Speed!

@@Spindatt Thx man! I think "ride reasonably prices bikes" still means I need to burn through the 9-speed stuff in a bin before moving onto some sweet micoshift stuff (or any other old school kit i can snag)

appreciate you clicking anyway

Oh yeah that’s a good point too!

Don’t be so sure!

Eric actually did a mid drive conversion kit last fall I think. Sorry I can't help anything more but if you scroll there's a vid on it!

Nothing wrong with conversions!

Why? ebikes still need service and accounting their initial cost people are willing to spend more on keeping them running. It's not an old bike which one buys for $30 and then discovers stem needed to get better fit costs about same (or even more).

Absolutely! And I probably should use them haha

Sheldon Brown smiles from above.

They’re good fun! Different kind of fun

Lol yeah, I hear that

I dunno; I'd absolutely rather be passed by an e-bike with passengers than a car.

@@Spindatt on the road, sure. On the MUP, going 10, 12+ mph faster than I am going? Not to mention the families out there with kids, grandma, grandpa, etc.? No. Vehicles with motors, capable of going that much faster than the other traffic around them don't belong there. There's a place for them. Just not in places where motor vehicles are not allowed.

@@billromano5844 Get what you are saying but honestly those same families on bikes were probably irked by lycra clad road bikes zipping by them shouting 'passing on your left!' pre-eBike! Everyone can get along with some manners and consideration

That's me on lightish FG passing people on heavy MTBs riding bike path)

lol appreciate you!

I meeeeean I do love cars, but only as cool race car things. Commuting in a car is stupid haha

Cars are a tool, and one that is misused a lot

That’s a tough one to police

Yeah, I’m not planning to be that grouchy dude shouting at bikes on the trail. Just a personal opinion. Ebikes have their place. I live in pittsburgh which is very hilly, so an assisted bike helps for certain people. Just noticing a trend of people moving real fast on crowded trails with no pedaling and little experience riding them lately.

Owning a bike with throttle doesn't mean you have to use it! I use mine to start from dead stop on the road but pedal it all other times just saying! I am 67 years old but I do understand your point, too bad people can't be more respectful!

Agreed, just like cars. There are respectful people and oblivious ones. The throttle just makes it easier to be the latter.

Yeah but do you actually take care of your bike? Cause it sounds like you do.. think of the average person who gets a mid drive e bike and is hammering the power through it to get up climbs. Then being shocked that their drivetrain is wrecked sooner than they thought

^^^ this

How do I not know what I’m talking about? I’ve put a 750w mid drive from Luna on a friends bike and experienced him go through drivetrains quickly. He had the same problems with tires as me. Had to go with something a lot tougher and harder to make last. Sounds like you actually wanted to build a cheap motorcycle, and you did.

This is far too open ended to give an answer, especially due to the extremely subjective nature of peoples interests. Elaborate further for a more precise answer.

@@Spindatt ebikes bring likes. Must appease algo. Fans of 'cheap bikes' are irrelevant.

Ride cheap bikes, unless I need paying.

I suppose you didn’t watch the last upload?

This is completely wrong. But I understand where the elitist attitude comes from. Elaborate more if you want.. it’ll still be wrong

@@Spindatt Riding a bike means pedaling under your own power… an E-bike is a bastardization of something that is (was) inherently simple.

They have their place! And there’s so many people getting them it’s crazy

@@Spindatt definitely! I don't feel the need to buy one. But for my Family? Hell yeah ! Wish they can feel THEN what I'm talking about riding bikes ^^