No, Shell Smash Doesn't Make Torterra Top Tier Competitively

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Shell Smash Torterra, 2023
*Correction: Drednaw Got Shell Smash in Gen 9, where it's now NUBL( Banned from NU, not used enough for RU). The point is the same, Shell Smash Drednaw was used only as much as a 4th tier Pokemon even with Shell Smash/
Edited by: tazprods
0:00 Introduction
2:28 Torterra Stats and History
3:54 Torterra Shell Smash Movesets
5:45 Is Torterra Good?

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@FreezaiPokemon 9 ай бұрын

@ahsrafulshamrat8113 9 ай бұрын

Get the bag Freezai

@iss2075 9 ай бұрын

Torterra is probably going to be OU anyway, even if it's bad. At least at the beginning.

@proximaace4332 9 ай бұрын

Did I miss something? Since when did you have sponsors??

@Pam234 9 ай бұрын

⁠@@proximaace4332what? You can have sponsors at any time...

@LiliumOrientalis 9 ай бұрын

Hell yeah Freezai get that bread! Even if I'll never touch that grindy mess

@psychicjellyfish9466 9 ай бұрын

Someone once suggested giving Torterra Rock Head as an ability to mitigate recoil from Wood Hammer.

@cristhianmlr 9 ай бұрын

I'd give him solid rock for lore accuracy.

@BananaR777 9 ай бұрын

That'd help big timr.

@Lunacy4 9 ай бұрын

@@cristhianmlr -pokemon -lore pick one

@cristhianmlr 9 ай бұрын

@@Lunacy4 there's plenty of lore friendly abilties for Pokémon so both.

@GAMERO-PHOBIA 9 ай бұрын

Go head smash wood hammers bruuuhhhh

@perladel95 9 ай бұрын

0:44 I think this infographic is a bit misleading regarding Drednaw. In Gen 8 Drednaw was in ZU but it didn't have Shell Smash unlike Carracosta and Crustle. In Gen 9 Drednaw got Shell Smash and now it's NUBL, as Tera-Dark Strong Jaw Crunch is demonic (and you're immune to prankster encore). It was even RUBL some time ago, while Cloyster was RU (probably the turtle dropped to NU because RU council freed its banlist too late)

@FreezaiPokemon 9 ай бұрын

you're right, that was an oversight, after Drednaw got shell smash it became NUBL, still pretty low tier but not ZU levels of low. I'll add a correction to the description. Thanks for pointing it out

@perladel95 9 ай бұрын

@@FreezaiPokemon No problem. I'm always happy when you upload these videos in any case!

@theimprovedbore550 9 ай бұрын

@@FreezaiPokemoncommon Freezai W

@bluebaron6811 9 ай бұрын

".*blank* is now NUBL in gen 9" -Gen 9 Smogon, 2023. Seriously, NU just went through a loop the past few months. And Drednaw did not help it a single bit.

@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 9 ай бұрын

I think an issue with Shell Smash is that it becomes less viable each generation due to power creep. You essentially make your Pokemon into a glass cannon, but taking a turn to do that when you already have Pokemon that are fast, strong, and defensively weak without setting up, makes you question in higher-tiers "Why should I use Shell Smash Torterra when I could use Chien-Po?" It's creeping into lower-tiers, too.

@sparktaylor8489 9 ай бұрын

Toterra getting shell smash is unironically one of the biggest things to happen in a while i hear people in public discuss like "bro torterra got shell smash, and now with grassy terrain and the loaded dice rock blast bullet seed it's gonna be crazy!"

@cosmicgelatin9434 9 ай бұрын

this cant be real but what if it was

@burritoman2k 9 ай бұрын

So its a grass type cloyster now

@i_like_chomp6382 9 ай бұрын

@@iantaakalla8180Polteageist is the best shell smash mon due to Weak Armor and stored power

@iridium137 9 ай бұрын

@@iantaakalla8180”relatively bulky on both ends” bruh you do realize Cloyster has one of the lowest HP and spdef right?

@unkown981 9 ай бұрын

@@iridium137who let him cook 😂

@haidynwendlandt2479 9 ай бұрын

For those wondering: Mega Blastoise is banned to Ubers in National Dex, as Shell Smash Mega Blastoise is, in fact, broken

@RenegadeStriker7 9 ай бұрын

You don't say 😂

@Matergamer-gr6ie 8 ай бұрын

Anything good is considered broken in smogon legit want to ban everything

@haidynwendlandt2479 8 ай бұрын

@@Matergamer-gr6ie You have clearly never played against a shell smash mega blastoise

@Matergamer-gr6ie 8 ай бұрын

@@haidynwendlandt2479 they wanted to ban terra did ban gmax I believe and ban anything that’s actually really good even some major players make jokes about then banning way to much baton pass evasion changing moves and last respects are also all banned

@haidynwendlandt2479 8 ай бұрын

@@Matergamer-gr6ie you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about

@IncoisaRadio87 9 ай бұрын

I'm just glad that even if he's no meta staple, Torterra has finally become an actually plausibly viable option.

@turtlenator6249 9 ай бұрын

I'm just happy Torterra got any buffs to make it a bit better. Tried some sets in VGC doubles and it's been very fun to use.

@swagdoll420 9 ай бұрын

While Torterra's chances in OU are pretty much nonexistent, but I do think it will be good in the lower tiers, like RU or maybe UU, where the strength levels are more manageable for it.

@nlb137 9 ай бұрын

IDK about White Herb... Headlong Rush and Wood Hammer already cost you bulk on use (either raw HP or lowering defenses). How many situations are you going to smash (usually taking an attack first), then still have the bulk to take hits if you attack with your STAB moves first?

@jmcbango 9 ай бұрын

Yea life orb is pretty much better on that set in every way

@idkputsomerandomname9657 9 ай бұрын

Lum berry is better imo, since faster teams beat it anyway but we remove bulky teams' options to burn/poison it.

@floorgle 9 ай бұрын

Not related to the video, but i love the change in enthusiasm between the video and the sponsored segment, honest fair play to get the bank from those sponsors

@duckquack2000 9 ай бұрын

If you told me Torterra would be better than Heatran in OU in Gen 4 I’d have laughed at you, but here we are

@cristhianmlr 9 ай бұрын

Why

@enoyna1001 9 ай бұрын

Only that it's not

@JGaleazziS 9 ай бұрын

Hopefully Torterra will perform better in VGC. Been waiting forever to use him since I got into VGC

@Carnagemode 9 ай бұрын

Torterra has always been my favorite starter and im so glad its finnalynusable outside of pu.

@MrOMGanASIAN 9 ай бұрын

Theres something funny about it being able to play under trick room, but also the option to set up shell smash on a turn the opponent protects to burn the trick room turn. Might not be completely game breaking in VGC but its nice to have

@sideways5153 9 ай бұрын

That would be a fun flex in a showdown compilation, but I feel like a Pokémon as limited as Torterra is going to be too easy to read for that to be a relevant game state most of the time

@SmugLookingBarrel 9 ай бұрын

The other time Shell Smash was super good was also in gen 5 with Baton Pass, which you could argue is the reason Baton Pass got banned in gen 5 and hasn't returned since, whereas in the previous gens they'd tried to experiment with complex bans.

@motherlove8366 9 ай бұрын

Baton Pass is not banned in gen 5 OU. It's banned in DPP, and gen 6 onward but seemingly not gen 5

@rizachan8892 9 ай бұрын

Going from Untiered to UU with an OU niche in hyper offense team us genuinely an insane improvement

@Astar24653 9 ай бұрын

the highlight for me was "bocchi the rock bl" the cloyster

@hauntedsunsets 9 ай бұрын

it doesn't have anything to do with the topic but seeing Torterra's 3d model in detail is really just. I can see how much modern pokemon tend to be designed with 3d models in mind so it can often work much better, but instead of getting any kind of upgrade that even subtly changes the design to make it work better in 3d some older mons get screwed over like Torterra with that lazily smoothed out clay instead of anything resembling grass on its back

@WishMakers 9 ай бұрын

Some Pokemon really benefit from the shift - I can safely say that Pokemon like Muk actually improve their look due to all the texture and shader work they get now. Particularly some of the flying Pokemon/Pokemon that *can* now fly in SV instead of being exclusively grounded are cool too and get a new mode of expression. Unfortunately for mons like Torterra, they don't realistically give an equal amount of love to every Pokemon and Torterra has a particularly cool but asymmetrical and detailed design. He absolutely could work in 3D! But he needed more care and attention and clearly didn't get it. In general, I will always love the 2D art of Pokemon more. Call me a nostalgic curmudgeon if you will, but I think even newer Pokemon look better in sprite form. However, I do respect where 3D Pokemon's look is improving and I hope Torterra and mons like him get more of it, it's unfortunate to have such a cool base and be stuck with no detail...

@hankhill6404 9 ай бұрын

Seeing the tera crystal flopping around on the tree like a wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tubeman looks so bad lmao

@jamesn0va 9 ай бұрын

@@hankhill6404yeah man what the hell. Just googled old tortera art and the difference is night and day. Dangerous animal too children's toy

@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 9 ай бұрын

To be fair, Ursaluna is a new Pokemon designed for 3D that has similar issues with the model.

@sideways5153 9 ай бұрын

Hell, just a lumpy moss texture would go a really long way

@gabrielmarchena1755 9 ай бұрын

I usted to abuse shell smash Terra in volt white 2 it was busted with smash + rock head wood hammer combo also It had head smash and 64 base speed stat I just wish terra some day received that kinda of buff in the mainline game❤

@StylishGaz 9 ай бұрын

The motion graphics/editing are really nice on this video. Do you do everything yourself or do you use an editor?

@plutoanderis 9 ай бұрын

i dont know about smogon tiers but i just had a full shell smash torterra sweep in random battles and idk but it made me happy

@thegreataggron 9 ай бұрын

Im just glad my boy finally gets to have its time to be talked about

@q6969 9 ай бұрын

I think it is going to be on the OU viability rankings, even if it isn't OU proper

@ramseslopez9521 9 ай бұрын

Hmm yeah, considering which mons are on it in ss ou is not that speciap

@anintendolover8416 9 ай бұрын

I dont know if ive seen a video from you with a sponsor before, so congratulations!

@sickdewd5694 9 ай бұрын

ayy man I like the background music. Found that guy on Instagram as well I'm guessing?

@dunk5011 9 ай бұрын

On my way to play doubles with Torterra to make it's weaknesses a lot easier to manage

@cristhianmlr 9 ай бұрын

Give my boy Solid Rock. Makes sense with the minerals Turtwig had on it's shell.

@DarthCinnabon 9 ай бұрын

I miss just absolutely rolling low ladder with shell smash cloyster back in the day. Good memories

@lukerennie4457 9 ай бұрын

Its worth noting that tortera shares the vast majority of its checks with iron valient, which might give a niche in ou once kinggambit is banned

@lory3771 9 ай бұрын

I love how Torterra’s Tera hat goes on its tree :)

@Ttarler 9 ай бұрын

I think the buff is primarily for players who really like Torterra (it’s one of their favorites) and want something that can be viable. Purely from a competitive frame you’re correct Freezai, but I’d be curious to see if someone looking hard enough finds a niche in a higher tier that works out.

@risingumbreon 9 ай бұрын

i was so not ready for the warthunder vtuber dakimakura jumpscare at the end holy shit

@UserName-ei7dk 9 ай бұрын

My dude got sponsored, LETS GO!

@torterrad5429 9 ай бұрын

Im glad its usable now, can see it being pretty solid in uu or ru with it being usable in ou, my boi made it

@Cayden.1 9 ай бұрын

Its going to jump from pu to uu, saying it wasnt fixed competitively is an overstatement, it vastly improved competitively undoubtedly

@jonwoods4590 5 ай бұрын

idk much about torterra in singles but he’s super underrated in doubles. i use one on my showdown regulation f team with a moveset of shell smash, earthquake, seed bomb and fire tera blast. i actually then recommend giving it a white herb which can ignore intimidates, reset icy wind to keep the full x2 speed boost, or even change it to a free fillet away otherwise. pair it with either a priority hitter to break focus sashes, a tailwind setter for even more speed, or a friend guard + follow me user like clefairy for free setup and extra bulk. terastallize for that powerful STAB fire/grass/ground core and sweep😌

@thaisennj9781 9 ай бұрын

I’ve been using it with Iron moth, ninetails alolan, hisu zora, and it’s been ight

@thaisennj9781 9 ай бұрын

Gotta use the loaded dice rockblast bullet seed set

@Jacob-df5hr 9 ай бұрын

Grats on the sponsor man

@videakias3000 9 ай бұрын

Please do a video about galarian weezing. It seems as if it is going to be more relevant in gen 9 than gen 8.

@SJrad 9 ай бұрын

for the white herb set, why not swap out wood hammer for seed bomb if you don't want to worry about recoil damage?

@rrteppo 9 ай бұрын

Tortera seems like a great UU mon. Which is amazing considering what UU looks like now.

@theimprovedbore550 9 ай бұрын

it may not make it viable in OU by any means, but it does help Torterra out a ton.

@jmcbango 9 ай бұрын

I feel like this whole vid is a bit of a moot point: no one actually expects torterra to be good in OU, but this buff is a huge deal as it will likely be a threat in RU/UU after spending several generations untiered

@franbh94 9 ай бұрын

May I ask for the playlist of music in the background?

@CoffeeFlavoredMilk 9 ай бұрын

I wonder if you'll make a video about Roost Empoleon and Flip Turn Alomomola.

@geeksgambit 9 ай бұрын

On the VGC side...the rise of Farigiraf might help you get around the priority move problem ?? Might be fun to test out. But definitely feels like there's better options especially with iron bundle and A9 running around with freeze-dry/blizzard.

@ihsaningersoll9232 9 ай бұрын

Holy damn love this editing style

@paulomalley3211 9 ай бұрын

This would be a great point against torterra’s viability if it weren’t for the fact that one could pair it with their own kind gambit and after the hole torterra would punch in a team after a shell smash means that an iron valiant, kinggambit, dragonnite, weavile or other imminent sweeper how has immensely easy cleanup. Torterra is so good within its context that I think it’s worth the ou slot because unlike poltergeist it’s not hyper reliant on indeedee support on top of that the ground typing gives it a resistance to rocks meaning it can pretty easily switch out and in again

@ChompDude 9 ай бұрын

It may not be the best Pokemon even outside of competitive but it's still my favorite Sinnoh starter.

@Mustache99 9 ай бұрын

for me giga drain could also be good you gain back health and it can also use his sp attack, now give I hope infernape will get drain punch

@aubfan0986 9 ай бұрын

Infernape does get Drain Punch now!

@plhbuschannel 9 ай бұрын

it does get drain punch

@tristandahn2284 9 ай бұрын

Personally I think that rock blast helps him about as much as shell smash. Covers all of his weaknesses with loaded die. I don't think Torterra is OU viable, but I could see it being somewhat decent as a win condition in the tier, and I personally think that RU will be perfect for it.

@nishantdayama4558 9 ай бұрын

Now we need a follow-up video on Empoleon

@kefkapalazzo1 9 ай бұрын

I love that carmine theme so much

@KamiChrisy 9 ай бұрын

Freezai crushed my dreams with that title

@memetan_24 9 ай бұрын

I feel like torterra might have some case scenario in monotype as you're more limited there

@calebcook6372 9 ай бұрын

I love this deep dive on a buffed Pokémon

@beelaxquay 9 ай бұрын

What’s the song that starts at around 6:38? Feel like I’ve heard it before but I’m not sure what it’s even from

@Quix0tic707 9 ай бұрын

Yeah I don’t think many people thought this would take Torterra to OU. But I can see this making it a very strong threat in NU/RU, and considering it was Untiered in Gen 7 (despite still being really good in PU) that’s a big improvement.

@brightpowder_cena 9 ай бұрын

0:30 For anyone wondering, Mega Blastoise is banned from Gen 9 Nat Dex OU

@diamsword6273 9 ай бұрын

Hey what happened to the no restrictions format and tournament you host ?

@myguy9320 9 ай бұрын

i gotta watch blunder use it. then i’ll know it’s a great mon with many opportunities to sac

@GAMERO-PHOBIA 9 ай бұрын

One things for sure Atleast it won't drop to untier this gen 😢

@tanushkalantri5096 9 ай бұрын

Since Shell Smash gives a +2 Sp. Atk., wouldn't running Giga Drain also be viable against Great Tusk and Dondozo?

@TheOtherNeutrino 9 ай бұрын

You'd need quite a bit of investment to 2HKO Dozo with Giga Drain. Honestly, Grass Knot and Leaf Storm are better choices for taking those two out. The other two Unaware mons would be destroyed by Soft Sand Headlong Rush without Tera and even Clefable is 2HKOd with a bit of chip.

@swagfun9054 9 ай бұрын

this dude loves carmines theme and the torna battle theme lmao (not complaining but funny)

@vasxus 9 ай бұрын

You guys keep forgetting about trick room torterra loaded dice

@infernacraft5269 9 ай бұрын

All I want is for these buffs to Torterra make it at least UU viable so we can have all of the Sinnoh starters be UU staples like Infernape and Empoleon have been

@TheLast1Zen 9 ай бұрын

the editing is amazing especially as someone who doesnt actually play competitive

@enoyna1001 9 ай бұрын

He does play competetive - what are you talking about?

@TheLast1Zen 9 ай бұрын

@@enoyna1001 I don't tho

@B463L 9 ай бұрын

IMO people will be surprised by how effective Torterra is. The fact that it's a one-turn setup with really strong grass, ground, and rock coverage, a strong movepool, and a high speed tier altogether means that it will be able to put a lot of pressure on the other team. Especially teams that aren't packing Corv

@hrishikeshdas4434 9 ай бұрын

Freezai finally got a sponsor.

@nolanstone4723 9 ай бұрын

I didnt know Torterra got its Tera crown on top of its tree. Thats fun af!

@paulmann8570 9 ай бұрын

We can, in fact, imagine Mega Smashstoise. It's called National Dex and it was banned.

@td4613 9 ай бұрын

where do you get your bacground music from

@Earthboundmike 9 ай бұрын

it's not fast enough, but godamn I love the addition. Torterra was my first grass starter. I mean, I'd used venusaur, and meganium, but if I replay those games, they aren't what I use. I love my water starters. But Torterra, ahhh, that one just scratches an itch, I haven't used Empoleon in ages. The quad ice weakness is just, oooooof though. Least hidden power isn't around anymore.

@Earthboundmike 9 ай бұрын

That being said I'd be tempted to drop the dice and use an herb anyway.

@MrArtless1 9 ай бұрын

You missed the chance to say “Torterrible would be an accurate way to describe Torterra”

@goGothitaLOL 9 ай бұрын

Now it’s Tortolerable

@Torterra890 9 ай бұрын

I don't even care if Torterra's not top tier, this is still one of the moments of all time.

@IloveHildasfeet 9 ай бұрын

Giving a slow bulky mon shell smash is just the same as giving a psychic nuke cosmic power. It makes sense but doesn’t work

@dinoman6481 9 ай бұрын

It is like making bulky ice types.

@SnoFitzroy 9 ай бұрын

@@dinoman6481 you mean SLOW bulky ice types. What we need is a bulky ice type that doesn't have ass speed. Like regice literally has enough BST to do that but nooooooooooooo they just have to punish every ice type for existing :( I do appreciate that Chien-Pao is just Better Weavile tho, never really liked weavile all that much

@goGothitaLOL 9 ай бұрын

@@SnoFitzroyMamoswine (80 Spe) and Baxcalibur (87 Spe) are right there The latter was even banned

@kekmandu6118 9 ай бұрын

they said bulky ice types mamo and bax arent bulky walls@@goGothitaLOL

@kekmandu6118 9 ай бұрын

they meant a bulky ice type with some speed@@goGothitaLOL

@samuelkernohan267 9 ай бұрын

Dang it this is a singles video

@sonam9881 9 ай бұрын

Don't care, outspeeding dragapult after one smash and headlong rushing it go brrrrrr

@cristhianmlr 9 ай бұрын

If only they also changed Torterra's hidden ability to Solid Rock. It make sense Turtwig's dex entry they mention minerals on its shell.

@asepsisaficionado7376 9 ай бұрын

9:04 In spite of what you said, both UU teams here would be destroyed by shell smash torterra. Ground STAB is extremely potent when just 1 turn of setup doubles your speed and attack.

@ramseslopez9521 9 ай бұрын

One has lokix, another has rillaboom, but yeah there are two fodders on each team that torterra could use in his favor

@ramseslopez9521 9 ай бұрын

Also galar zapdos is there who commonly uses scarf and I think it resists any hit '-'

@r1c3m4n4 9 ай бұрын

love the xenoblade music! what happened to world cup of randbats?

@bradyanderson1229 9 ай бұрын

Ahaha not the tera hat on top of his tree 😂

@9Destra 9 ай бұрын

I think Torterra will still be viable in OU while not being OU itself. Torterra just needs a specific team to be its best. I highly recommend AV Samurott with Sacred Sword and an Iron Valiant counter as partners

@kekmandu6118 9 ай бұрын

gambit works as a counter as half the valiants dont have a fighting move but you dont wanna hope that it dont got cc or blast

@jueymiah1810 9 ай бұрын

I have swept so many ppl wth loaded dice torterra

@elijahgriffin5435 9 ай бұрын

"Pokemon like memento" lol

@johngrace1312 9 ай бұрын

As a War Thunder vet, I got whiplash clicking on a Pokémon video and seeing they sponsored it

@YatindraJain11 9 ай бұрын

9:52 never imagined i'd see animated waifus in a freezai vid

@stain255 9 ай бұрын

2:28 what is the song playing here

@davidunderwood1773 9 ай бұрын

I feel RUBL most likely personally. It has a chance in UU, but not OU. I just think in a tier like RU it would be broken though. However, this is a huge improvement from past gens.

@judetreanor7113 9 ай бұрын

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

@Heartache2491 9 ай бұрын

Our son finally got blessed

@AdamNaipaul-lc4sg 9 ай бұрын

HOW DO YOU TEACH TORTERRA SHELL SMASH?!? I HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR SO LONG!

@victorlinares4137 9 ай бұрын

Im waiting for it to hit ru and go ham with it

@csolisr 9 ай бұрын

What do you mean that PU doesn't stand for "Pretty-much-never Used"?

@Bwear04 9 ай бұрын

Was just about to talk about Torterra on Reddit, it's definitely viable now which i am so happy for, but too many mons in OU wall it, along with Torterra's rather mediocre movepool and poor speed it just doesn't have enough support and firepower, i definitely can see it in UU because of the slew of ground types that are in it and the much lower level of powerhouses in said tier

@teakchain0145 9 ай бұрын

Psychic terrain + torterra is the physical version of Polteagist

@krumplin8992 9 ай бұрын

Mega blastiose was banned from Nat dex OU so yeah it was broken

@kheireddineattala1281 9 ай бұрын

Game freak getting a page outa radical red book

@goGothitaLOL 9 ай бұрын

Empoleon and Shiftry too

@JumbaJumby 9 ай бұрын

Ay bruh I gotta get me those dakimakuras

@johnnyjohnson4265 9 ай бұрын

I hope Torterra doesn't get stuck in OU due to over hype. I feel like it would need more to become truly high tier but it feels good that we could have a prime physical sweeper in lower tiers

@OriginalBestPersonEver 9 ай бұрын

Every single time this thing has used Shell Smash as a set up, I've used Foul Play the very next turn to OHKO. I'm sure this buff is effective in many circumstances, but I just see it as a free KO so far.