No solid answer from atheism! Raihan and Visitor Speakers Corner

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No solid answer from atheism! Raihan and Visitor Speakers Corner

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@talksense6648 2 жыл бұрын

Raihan, may Allah increase you in knowledge!

@abdmoh20 2 жыл бұрын

Amiin

@truthseeker7172 2 жыл бұрын

I love Raihan bhai for the sake of Allah, always looking forward to his vids.

@angelosaleh8344 2 жыл бұрын

In the end just sneak out without Saying Goodbye? I hope his eyes will be opened and see that there is indeed a Creator. May Allah swt guide him.

@aamin6933 2 жыл бұрын

I like this brother's rational approach.

@homtanks7259 2 жыл бұрын

JazakAllahu khairan

@fahad055 2 жыл бұрын

Jazak Allah khair brother Raihan.

@xmorfis 2 жыл бұрын

25:10 With all the explanation, may Allah guide him

@akhilkn225 2 жыл бұрын

If there is a creation there is a creator, then who created the creator ? How can one experience creator? How does knowing creator matter?

@ruddin93 2 жыл бұрын

Who baked the Baker?

@sagormuhammad3016 2 жыл бұрын

MA sha Allah

@chagzai3354 2 жыл бұрын

May Allah guide us all . Ameen

@syahrolrizal6380 2 жыл бұрын

Alhamdulillah...

@essa200911 2 жыл бұрын

The funny thing that in many of his answers he used the word “ sure “ They already can know but they mislead themselves

@agimasoschandir 2 жыл бұрын

The first mistake from S. Dawah, the first assumption, "you know for sure that if everything's designed there has to be a designer". suggesting the trees were designed. The trees were not designed, as design implicitly implies some intelligent agent, and the trees were not then designed. They evolved. If you need to have a "designer", then it was natural selection

@ruddin93 2 жыл бұрын

"Have you considered what you sow? Is it you who cause it to grow, or is it We (ALLAH) Who do so? If We willed, We could simply reduce this ˹harvest˺ to chaff, leaving you to lament. We have truly suffered a ˹great˺ loss. In fact, we have been deprived ˹of our livelihood˺.” (The Qur'an 56:63-67). I'll let The Creator answer your question.

@tdsdave 2 жыл бұрын

Yup Teleometric and Teleological design, these guys have no idea features of the world , their "design" , can be accounted for in different ways. They never make any effort to show how they know a tree is teleologically designed , the closest they get is to point out complexity , which says nothing of design.

@ruddin93 2 жыл бұрын

@@tdsdave Goodness me! Do you not know trees have their own circulation system known as capillary action? So you are telling me that trees don't need intelligence behind these intricate systems? Not going to waste my time who is irrational.

@tdsdave 2 жыл бұрын

@@ruddin93 Simply pointing to a feature of trees and demanding this can only come about by teleological design needs an argument , do you have one , or are you just relying on your presented fallacious argument to incredulity ?

@ruddin93 2 жыл бұрын

@@tdsdave I just did. You can't see it.

@momonasri8611 2 жыл бұрын

One of the biggest reason why atheist like to stay/remind in denial is because for them to accept there is a creator then they will have to accept there will be consequence of their actions and lazy man who continuously wants to enjoy this worldly temporary pleasures for doesn’t want those consequences stops him from enjoying this pleasure and also allows him or her desires to run wildlife

@tdsdave 2 жыл бұрын

I don't believe gods exist , nothing about my life is driven by that , god is irrelevant to me . What you say amounts to a tired old christian denigration of non-believers, a fantasy where you imagine we do believe but just want to sin, how you think that makes sense is beyond me . It's just an attitude that make you feel better but its nothing to do with the truth.

@momonasri8611 2 жыл бұрын

@@tdsdave firstly of all, less emotional my brother and second that’s was only my opinion it wasn’t religion sayings. And please stop with the assumptions I’m not Christian. Besides I tell you this now there’s no intellectual justification to deny the existence of God? Prove me wrong

@tdsdave 2 жыл бұрын

@@momonasri8611 "firstly of all, less emotional my brother" There is nothing emotional about my post , I have a thick skin people generalizing my character as poor due to their bigotry is their problem not mine. Would you feel fairly treated if I offered a bigoted generalization of you based upon you holding your belief? "that’s was only my opinion it wasn’t religion sayings" An opinion based on what ? It's certainly not based on the actions of atheists you talk to is it ? It is just a convenient prejudice is it not?. Also the Quran has a pretty low opinion of non-believers does it not, would you care to offer a verse where it characterizes them in a positive light? "And please stop with the assumptions I’m not Christian." I know you are not a Christian, never thought you were, but its not an assumption what you are saying is exactly the same as those Christians which use that line of reasoning to denigrate unbelievers, that to not believe what you believe entails someone has a shallow degenerate moral character. " Besides I tell you this now there’s no intellectual justification to deny the existence of God?" Well that's a bare claim , can you show its impossible no such justifications exist, of course not , thousands of years of arguing about deities has never proven one exists. But also, if your texts, which you claim is authored by your deity , makes claims that are demonstrably at odds with what we find out about the world, or those claims are contradictory, or illogical, or the text itself shows nothing profound ,or the deities definition itself is logically contradictory then these are justification for denying it's existence. But really this is just you shifting the burden of proof , it is on you to show your god exists , can you do that, beyond what your apologists do at the corner do , offering god of the gaps or arguments to incredulity? I suspect not , which is why you, like them, imagine that if everything I believed can be doubted that by some fantastical logic you imagine that would be an argument for your deity , it would not be , that's not how sound reasoning works. You have to make your positive argument for your deity , to show that it is the case.

@ultiumlabs4899 2 жыл бұрын

23:00, nice discussion, but apparently he's not an atheist, but agnostics,, so for an agnostics it's better the discussion move to searching for the true religion.

@tdsdave 2 жыл бұрын

Not really , most people who say they are agnostic are just using it in a epistemological sense , they are saying that they cannot demonstrate that it is impossible that a god(s) exists ,they do not *believe* such gods do exist but do not *know* if such a god does in fact exist. In this epistemological sense they are atheists, because they do not believe such gods exist , the word "belief" in this sense does not entail certitude( that it is impossible to be wrong ) . People often can take on both labels, being atheist and agnostics, it all depends on how they define the words, but whatever label people offer they are saying they do not believe , and will be looking for evidence or compelling reasons from someone to conclude they do exist.

@ultiumlabs4899 2 жыл бұрын

@@tdsdave thanks to clarify this.

@Prince0fDarK 2 жыл бұрын

Muslim: does knowledge comes out from nothing without learning? Atheist: Yes! Muslim: have you been to school? Atheist: Yes Muslim: why do you go to school? Atheist: of course! to learn. Muslim: to learn what? Atheist: to learn knowledge. Muslim: you just said awhile ago, that knowledge comes out from nothing without learning. Atheist: hmmmmmmmmmm!!!! i think that NOTHING professors didn't tell me about it. LOL!!!!!

@agimasoschandir 2 жыл бұрын

Muslim: Does knowledge comes out from nothing without learning? Atheist: No. Now, deal with the rest without a strawman answer

@robtbo 2 жыл бұрын

This guy is relying on gaps in human knowledge to criticize an atheist for not believing that God magic explains everything… as if that’s a defensible answer. But how would he respond to an atheist who believes that “magic” is the best defensible answer, but rejects “God magic” because of the demonstrable success of Occam’s Razor, which suggests the elimination of unnecessary assumptions? One who admits ignorance is less ridiculous than one who assumes knowledge… and therefore FAR less ridiculous than one who assumes even MORE specific knowledge.

@tdsdave 2 жыл бұрын

All the arguments they offer are arguments from ignorance ( god of the gaps) and arguments to incredulity . They add up to ~"look at the trees therefore gawd", all the talking is just sophistry to hide a series of bare assertions so that they can pretend they can compete in the market place of ideas. I genuinely don't think they are arguing against atheists or the like , they are doing it as a spectacle to mislead their laity that they can compete, its all to prevent apostasy.

@ruddin93 2 жыл бұрын

Magic requires a magician. What's your point?

@robtbo 2 жыл бұрын

@@ruddin93 lol… do you get to define the rules of magic, do you? The point was LITERALLY that what you said is an unnecessary assumption.

@ruddin93 2 жыл бұрын

@@robtbo Are you asking me to be irrational? What would you say if somebody tells you over a billion of years, I can become a potato? I'm pretty sure even from your own standard - you would tell this guy to go to a mental asylum

@robtbo 2 жыл бұрын

@@ruddin93 Don’t be THAT harsh! I wouldn’t say the people who believe that God magic is powerful enough to accomplish such a thing should go to a mental asylum.

@theoskeptomai2535 2 жыл бұрын

I will gladly answer _any_ straightforward question concerning my rational position as a atheist.

@AlgeriaHere 2 жыл бұрын

Go ahead and tell us who created the universe ?

@theoskeptomai2535 2 жыл бұрын

@@AlgeriaHere I specifically stated a _straightforward_ question. You asked a loaded question. But now I will ask you a straightforward question. How did you determine the universe was created?

@AlgeriaHere 2 жыл бұрын

@@theoskeptomai2535 is it not the question i asked ? You probably want to play semantics by the word 'created' , deduction and rationality tell me that it was created , came into existence from a CREATOR , anything in this life cannot come from nothing so by default the creator idea comes into mind

@tdsdave 2 жыл бұрын

@@AlgeriaHere "who created the universe" The real problem with your question , and why it was seen as leading, is that you asked "who" , why need it be a who?. I'd say you are the one playing a semantics game using the word creator instead of god or allah , which is what you really mean. It's obviously a mott and bailey style argument , where you'll pretend you are only trying to establish that the universe had a creator , using the word like it only means the thing that accounts for the origin of the universe, but every single point you'll subsequently offer will be bare assertions that this thing has the quality of your deity , and you'll ignore all the other possibilities, and likely commit a whole series of fallacies along the way. As it is science does not have an evidenced answer for the question , and neither do you . At this time any "thing" that we define as having the capability of creating the universe can be as good a candidate as any other , so a naturalistic account is just as justified to offer as any deistic account. However by parsimony we can likely elevate the possibility of some naturalistic accounts being the case over deistic ones, because these naturalistic accounts draw on phenomena that that we have evidence exist, unlike deities. "deduction and rationality" What deductive premise do you think you can draw on to say god exists , or that god is this origin account, try and avoid those fallacies along the way if you respond.

@AlgeriaHere 2 жыл бұрын

@@tdsdave I'm not playing any semantics the reason why i mention "CREATOR" because obviously as an athiest you do not believe in god .. to sum it up this CREATOR needs to have a will , Power and intelligence because all attributes are found in our universe and therefore if this CREATOR does not have them all , there is no way for this universe to be existing .. secondly you are using the wrong tool to find out about , You cannot mention science when it comes to META PHYSICS , Nor Science neither scientists will be able to know .. they just speculate .. i cannot prove god exists but i can provide reasons why i believe God exists ...

@theoskeptomai2535 2 жыл бұрын

Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgement as to the existence of gods until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the existence of any god._* And here is the evidence I must consider when evaluating the claim by theists, and as to why I currently hold to such a position. 1. I personally have never observed a god. 2. I have never encountered a person whom has claimed to have observed a god. 3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity. 4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument which also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists. 5. Of the nearly 50 logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the existence of a god(s), I have found all to contain multiple fallacies or unsubstantiated premises. 6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation as to the causation of that phenomenon. 7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered the _vice versa._ 8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event. 9. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed appears to have *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity. 10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction, or do not present as falsifiable. ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the existence of a god. I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding any acknowledgement until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstatiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._* I welcome any cordial response. Peace.

@ultiumlabs4899 2 жыл бұрын

1) what's your position? promoting atheism? or just followers of atheism? I just want you to realize, that there's no neutral position, you're following the way of life A or following concept B, or following religion C, etc. 2) after that question, I wanna ask: what does atheism propose to this world? want to make this world better by its concept? or want to make everyone think just let it flow, life is only once, do what you wanna do? or anything else I'm not aware of?

@theoskeptomai2535 2 жыл бұрын

@@ultiumlabs4899 I explained my position. I am an agnostic atheist.

@theoskeptomai2535 2 жыл бұрын

@@ultiumlabs4899 I am actually _advocating_ for atheism as it is often disparaged and misrepresented on its position. I endeavor to respond to those t heists disparaging misrepresentations by challenging them.

@theoskeptomai2535 2 жыл бұрын

@@ultiumlabs4899 Atheism is a position to the theist's claim that a god exists. This position doesn't propose anything.

@theoskeptomai2535 2 жыл бұрын

@@ultiumlabs4899 I want to live my life fully and discover as many truths as I am able in my lifetime.

@Syed_12 2 жыл бұрын

( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques ) Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might. Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ? ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions Islam mean "submission" to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God ) Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God ) The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by good deeds ) God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him. ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5:5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.'' Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion. Question to Muslim and Christian: Does God / Allah only answer your pray ? And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray? Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity? Quran 5:48 '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise ) On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils. '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work

@LETSUNITEUPONHAQQ 2 жыл бұрын

First

@agimasoschandir 2 жыл бұрын

Last in love?

@Ihsaan1c 2 жыл бұрын

Same old arguments 🥱

@jama-jay8154 2 жыл бұрын

Come to speakers if you can offer some new ideas for discussions.

@Ihsaan1c 2 жыл бұрын

@@jama-jay8154 I mean same old arguments from the apologists. The burden of proof is on them

@md.oaliulhasan5687 2 жыл бұрын

@@Ihsaan1c The burden of proof also comes on you when you say there is not

@Ihsaan1c 2 жыл бұрын

@@md.oaliulhasan5687 I don’t say there is not, only that the evidence is insufficient

@md.oaliulhasan5687 2 жыл бұрын

@@Ihsaan1c Allah said in the quran,, soon we will show our sign in the horizon untill it becomes clear to them And also it will always remain insufficient if you yourself don't want to be satisfied with