Noam Chomsky on moving beyond state capitalism

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Princeton YDSA

Princeton YDSA

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This event was held with an in-person audience of about 350 by the Young Democratic Socialists of America at Princeton University on March 31, 2023, 5-6 pm. If you would like to learn more about our work or join us in our efforts, please visit princeton.dsanj.org.
Facilitated by Hadi Kamara and co-facilitated by Bryce Springfield. Organized by the Princeton YDSA team.
Full recording: • A Conversation with No...

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@natekap871
@natekap871 Жыл бұрын
my dog noam is still kickin. big ups g
@marvinwilliams7938
@marvinwilliams7938 Жыл бұрын
My guy Noam looks like he’s just barely gettin through
@tomkennyjapan
@tomkennyjapan Жыл бұрын
He's mumbling through …still the greatest mind. Dawg speaks in paragraphs most mf can’t even read 😂
@realfnneato3111
@realfnneato3111 Жыл бұрын
​@@tomkennyjapandamn you can't read the shit he says? Now I know what they say about teaching socialism to illiterates
@placebojesus5652
@placebojesus5652 6 ай бұрын
He stay reppin
@HAL_NlNETH0USAND
@HAL_NlNETH0USAND 25 күн бұрын
big up yourslef
@Mysteriouso100
@Mysteriouso100 Жыл бұрын
"If you're a United Parcel Worker/Truck Driver and stop for a couple minutes when you're not supposed to, you get a notice that says 'sorry, can't do that' and you're basically a servant to a master for most of your working life. There was a time not long ago where that was considered an intolerable attack on fundamental rights and human dignity." I work in delivery and this kind of shit goes on all the time with little understanding or respect to the circumstances you are in when out on the road. Personally I blame Amazon for bringing about the statistical bean-counting obsession with being exactly on time, but it could predate them.
@antenna_prolly
@antenna_prolly Жыл бұрын
Amazon provided the "competition" necessary to make things much worse.
@jpg3702
@jpg3702 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes it arrives early. Which is no more convenient for the receiver when porch thieves abound.
@madbun1312
@madbun1312 Жыл бұрын
Great to hear from ya Noam
@billandpech
@billandpech Жыл бұрын
Chomsky was unique. I purchased the Chomsky Reader in the 80s. In the forward he confessed that if he knew of an atrocity perpetuated by a movement fighting evil, he would not report it. I still own that book, but closed it right there and never read him again,
@angusorvid8840
@angusorvid8840 Жыл бұрын
That's the same problem I've had with him, that for all his moral high-mindedness he has always had huge moral blind spots. I remember reading one of his books on US policy in Latin America and he had not a bad word to say about Ortega and Castro.
@BuGGyBoBerl
@BuGGyBoBerl Жыл бұрын
can you give the backround or an example?
@TheEnergizer94
@TheEnergizer94 Жыл бұрын
If I say 20s do you guys think about the Great Depression or Covid 19
@billandpech
@billandpech Жыл бұрын
@@TheEnergizer94 never assume, makes an ASS out of U and ME
@Gian-ni
@Gian-ni Жыл бұрын
The problem is the people. The masses that he's talking about, don't have the intelligence to understand what's needed, yet they vote. Democracy works against us, when anyone, too many "uncapable" people vote (I don't).
@fazbell
@fazbell 7 ай бұрын
I'm going to miss him when he's gone. Thank you, Noam.
@fabiengerard8142
@fabiengerard8142 7 ай бұрын
🙏🏻♥️🙏🏽♥️🙏
@TheMatthew393
@TheMatthew393 7 ай бұрын
I love seeing the home decor of the Chompks! ♥️ May you live another 100 years.
@fabiengerard8142
@fabiengerard8142 7 ай бұрын
🙏🏻♥️🙏🏽♥️🙏
@tomkennyjapan
@tomkennyjapan Жыл бұрын
PRECARIAT great word. Noam ✊🏼respect.
@jmarty1000
@jmarty1000 Жыл бұрын
Chomsky is always so cheerful and optimistic, said no one ever.
@chriswills9437
@chriswills9437 Жыл бұрын
Not so, he has the great taxi driver joke...
@fazbell
@fazbell 7 ай бұрын
I do have to wonder......does he ever have FUN?????
@TuRaTic
@TuRaTic Жыл бұрын
My exact reaction was i shit you not " yo noam chompy is alive"
@danthomas6587
@danthomas6587 Жыл бұрын
Shocked to hear Noam had some dealings with Jeffrey Epstein.
@antenna_prolly
@antenna_prolly Жыл бұрын
But were those dealings about underage trafficking? The way I heard it, Epstein had investments in like some university, and that university invited Chomsky to lecture or something like that.
@danthomas6587
@danthomas6587 Жыл бұрын
@@antenna_prolly I can't imagine Chomsky flying to Epstein's private island on his plane, the Lolita express. Noam was happily married until 2008 when his wife Carol died. A few years later he met Valeria and was married a second time. He's old school. He's a one woman kind of guy. But any more you're judged by the company you keep. I don't know the extent of his dealings with the kiddie diddler Epstein. But I'd bet it was quite innocent.
@pratika6352
@pratika6352 21 күн бұрын
Dude talks like he has a long life ahead of him.
@al2642
@al2642 Жыл бұрын
I would not say: are designed to such and such an end. But: will end up in such and such a way.
@ashrafjehangirqazi1497
@ashrafjehangirqazi1497 Жыл бұрын
Privileged to be listening to the finest socio-economic-political historical analysis of the back and forth of the class warfare which has become global today and is threatening human civilization and human survival. All other analyses and commentaries seem so prosaic, uninformative, irrelevant and dishonest. Listening to Chomsky is an education and an empowerment.
@popeyedoyle6360
@popeyedoyle6360 Жыл бұрын
What we can we do to stop it, or to help society out?
@Gr8Layks
@Gr8Layks Жыл бұрын
We’ll-said. Couldn’t agree more! 👍
@okey5818
@okey5818 Жыл бұрын
We must build tools that improve our collective, democratic decision making. If decision making can be done better by people doing actual work than administrative crooks, then days of oppression will be over.
@Samtastrophi
@Samtastrophi Жыл бұрын
The tools already exists, and that's precisely why we see such a strong push against mail-in voting in the United States. Communication by mail while complex in it's logistical execution is pretty archaic in terms of it's ability to communicate anything with immediacy. If things like mail-in voting became common place and popular, imagine the programs that might follow which could result in more immediate decision making by everyday people.
@okey5818
@okey5818 Жыл бұрын
@@Samtastrophi Technical capabilities for voting and tools supporting distributed decision making are completely different things. Tools supporting decision making must include modeling of the world and promotion of claims based on their cogency. We don't have any of that.
@Gian-ni
@Gian-ni Жыл бұрын
@@okey5818 The problem is the people. The masses that he's talking about, don't have the intelligence to understand what's needed, yet they vote. Democracy works against us, when anyone, too many "uncapable" people vote (I don't).
@okey5818
@okey5818 Жыл бұрын
@@Gian-ni If you seriously believe it, you haven't read any Noam's books about politics where he points out that both Aristotele and Madison knew that in perfectly democratic system poor people (majority) will vote to implement transformation that will end inequality. And that's how it is. Madison believed that it wouldn't be "fair" and designed our contemporary "democracy" to limit democracy - now you can only choose a person who will get paid for implementation of changes according to the will of the richest.
@Gian-ni
@Gian-ni Жыл бұрын
@@okey5818 you seemed to have agreed with me, while at the same time disagreeing with me
@ABCXYZ-jk8me
@ABCXYZ-jk8me Жыл бұрын
FIRST: BORN-AGAIN Then: everything else
@NB-uw9qq
@NB-uw9qq Жыл бұрын
beautiful
@JonathanDecelles1990
@JonathanDecelles1990 Жыл бұрын
Mes parents m'ont obligés à m'agenouiller pendant toute mon enfance de 4 à 6 ans pour me donner 30 coups de fouets à TOUS LES JOURS. Quand je demandais à mon père pourquoi il me fouettait, il me repondait: «Parce que je faisais mon smatte». Quand je lui demandais c'était quoi un «smatte», il me répondait: «fait pas ton smatte avec moé», puis les coups de fouets avec la strappe augmentaient en termes de quantité et d'intensité. À 13 ans, en 2003, je te laisse deviner quelle sorte de porn je regardais sur Internet. Je me sentais comme un Alien. Je n'ai jamais eu d'ami(e)s ni au primaire, ni au secondaire. Aujourd'hui à 33 ans, je souffre d'anxiété généralisée, anxiété sociale, dépression majeure & agoraphobie. Ma famille homophobe ne me parle plus depuis des années et les docteurs refusent de me diagnostiquer quoi que ce soit. J'ai dù me battre durant des mois afin d'obtenir un diagnostique de dépression aiguë par un médecin fallacieux, alors que je suis en dépression majeure depuis plus de 2 ans. Alors si des gays décident de défilé déguisé en Puppy Sl@ve au défilé de la Fierté, je les appuis à 100%. En tant que su!c!daire depuis plus de 20 ans sans diagnostique qui pallie sa souffrance par auto-médication depuis plus d'une décennie, je vous avoue que je me sens délaissé à tous les jours. Je suis complètement isolé et je ne parle plus à personne. Il faut laisser les gens s'exprimer, sinon ils s'isolent et souffrent en silence dans leur sous-sol avec pleins de jouets BDSM dans leur tirroir/coffres/garde-robe, et ne parlent plus à personnes, tout ça parce que leur parents ont fait le choix de les punir de leur homosexualité avec de la torture.
@TheEnergizer94
@TheEnergizer94 Жыл бұрын
Wtff c'est pas ma place de juger tes parents mais j'espère que tu trouves un peu de paix et d'amour en ce monde
@leonardopatrizio
@leonardopatrizio Жыл бұрын
French is a waste of time
@matthewkopp2391
@matthewkopp2391 Жыл бұрын
Everyone should understand the early US liberal logic. And should study Jefferson’s proposals. Yes you can call out Jefferson for his racism and sexism but his economic logic was anti-capitalist. Meaning, Jefferson believed in universal or near universal small land ownership with zero tax. So that small land owners had their own means of production. A yeoman farmer could produce enough to survive perhaps a little more, but they were independent of a landlord which Jefferson say as a corrosive institution that was anti-democracy. And just a point of fact Jefferson wanted to tax land monopolies out of existence. Tax plutocracy out of existence. And wanted freedom from monopolies written in the Bill of Rights. There is a reason why he wasn’t invited to the constitutional convention. Economically Jefferson did not have many alternative solutions for industrial development. He actually advised for no industrial development if it meant the rise of an elite corporate class. For the most part the US went with Hamilton’s ideas which was subsidizing an elite class to start industries. Jefferson did support Owen’s New Harmony experiment as an alternative which eventually failed, but did have some successes which should be studied. But long story short there was a popular attitude of personal sovereignty which should not be sacrificed. Lincoln’s logic which was written was, that a person may have to rent themselves out temporarily to raise enough money to buy a piece of land and thereby have their own means of production. But the population did start organizing with the ideas of collective ownership which was a threat to the industrial elite. Now this concept of individual sovereignty which is often preached by the right, is a complete illusion. Even the basic idea of owning a basic home is out of reach much less a real lucrative “means of production”. So this idea is completely obscured. They can only sell the illusion of sovereignty and the illusion of the individual. I have tried to run a business as an antique dealer. It worked as a subsistence back up plan. But I can easily see greater success and stability working with a qualified set of skilled people cooperatively working together towards a much more lucrative outcome. I don’t think any cooperative can work, you do need qualified skilled people willing to work cooperatively and put in that extra effort. And you need to find a real market. But it is in my opinion the only way to gain mass individual sovereignty and individual integrity. So what would that look like. I think people ought to ask what is a possible successful small business, get like minded responsible friends and work together to establish a cooperative enterprise. And support other cooperative enterprises on principle as a way out of this monopoly situation which is destroying lives and personal integrity.
@JoeKoOhNo
@JoeKoOhNo Жыл бұрын
Suppose one small landowner grows potatoes and another grows corn. Suppose they decide to trade their assets and determine a rate of exchange. This is capitalism and it is the natural way humans interact. Now suppose a third party confronts each after the trade and demands a portion of each person's "income" to guarantee their safety. This is taxation and socialism. It is the aberration. By advocating 'no taxes,' Jefferson was promoting capitalism. He was not anti-capitalism; he was anti-big-business.
@citizenswain
@citizenswain Жыл бұрын
It's ironic that there is a limit on the language we can use to describe what an incredibly important human Mr. Chomsky is. Goddess bless him for his commitment to telling the truth and aiming to raise humans to be better.
@michaelwright8896
@michaelwright8896 7 ай бұрын
There are a lot of people that were much more influential than him.
@manuelmanuel9248
@manuelmanuel9248 Жыл бұрын
Looks like Moses
@MichaelJPartyka
@MichaelJPartyka Жыл бұрын
That was a 15-minute history lesson followed by 2 minutes of actually trying to answer the question, which seems a lot like not having a real answer. Why not simply say, "Something that looks like what's going on in Brazil right now," and then pointing people to the resources by which they could find out about the Brazilian model? It is because it wouldn't take much to be turned off by the Brazilian model, so first you have to prime the pump by talking for 15 minutes about how bad the current system is?
@cheponis
@cheponis Жыл бұрын
It's called 'providing context'. Useful technique.
@MichaelJPartyka
@MichaelJPartyka Жыл бұрын
@cheponis I think it's more likely called burying the audience in so much history it masks his having no substantive answer to give.
@cheponis
@cheponis Жыл бұрын
@@MichaelJPartyka Yeah, but isn't this more like "Hey, how do we cure Cancer?" and Noam's answer is like "Well, here's the deal with Cancer
@MichaelJPartyka
@MichaelJPartyka Жыл бұрын
@@cheponis Or, he could realize that "moving beyond capitalism" has failed every single time it's been tried, and then he could focus on perfecting capitalism rather than trying to "move beyond" it. He's still fighting cancer with leeches and colloidal silver.
@cheponis
@cheponis Жыл бұрын
@@MichaelJPartyka Wait, you are either uninformed or actually trying to spread false information. Which is it? Have you heard of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation?useskin=vector ? There is no 'perfecting' a dying corpse. I am personally disturbed if you actually believe what you say, because it suggests you've been steeped in lies far beyond my ability in a YT comment section to undo. OTOH, if you are a troll, then I cannot waste any more of my precious time. In either case, good bye, and good luck.
@MW-ic7lr
@MW-ic7lr Жыл бұрын
Noam once needed advice on manufacturing the consent of miners.
@wags549
@wags549 Жыл бұрын
Historically, would Noam ever have lived this long or been allowed to have a voice in the society he argues for? Labor does need more of a say, especially when automation and e-commerce are poised to change the fundamental assumptions of labor based systems. The Travel Agents Local 404 and the Cashiers Local 420 jus don't have numbers dey used to.
@leonardopatrizio
@leonardopatrizio Жыл бұрын
Yes. Some people live very long in all societies. There are people in hunter gatherer societies who live into their 90s. Life expectancy in modern society and post industrial revolution only really improved the infant mortality rate and the very young. And life expectancy was never very high for poor workers in mines, mills, factories, fields, farms, and such in industrial societies anyway. And these are mostly the people he claims to be advocating for.
@johnlaudenslager706
@johnlaudenslager706 Жыл бұрын
Co-ops sound nice, as Noam describes. The kind of cooperative companies I think Noam has in mind are 'worker' co-ops. Wikipedia lists some: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_cooperatives None of those or any other are around where I live, as far as I know. I don't have the impression that worker co-ops are gaining popularity 🤔
@gravlaxbob355
@gravlaxbob355 Жыл бұрын
With all due respect, Noam goes back so far back in history, and it also limited to the USA... Who will really listen to this given the short interest span of nowadays public audience. I am sorry because the discourse is very pertinent, as I listen to it. I feel like a Cuban listening to Castro in the 1960's, without the macho oumpth!
@matthewkopp2391
@matthewkopp2391 Жыл бұрын
Having grown up in a small German town there were many remnants of what Chomsky is talking about still around. The most notable example was the Turner Hall (Turnverein) which was a liberal quasi-socialist institution. The motto, “Liberty, against all oppression; tolerance, against all fanaticism; reason, against all superstition; justice, against all exploitation.” The early Turners organized the Union army and helped build the Historically Black Colleges. Another remnant was Robert Rauschenbush’s social gospel was still practiced. To help destroy these institutions, there was not just an all out attack against the German population during WW1 which My grandmother could give a first hand account as she was born in 1902. But prohibition was very politically motivated because lessened the power of the Brewers Union who help organize workers in other areas. And there is an ongoing attack against the social gospel advocates with conservative Christianity. People need to understand that this coopertive world view was truly beaten out of people’s heads, through shame, violence, censorship, propaganda, accusation of being an foreign agent etc.
@Lopfff
@Lopfff Жыл бұрын
I love how Chomsky now looks like the homeless guy who sits outside of city hall and talks to a lawn mower
@RyanWattersRyanWatters
@RyanWattersRyanWatters Жыл бұрын
Right? It’s almost like he’s respected around the world for his remarkable intellect rather than his aesthetics or fashion choices.
@Lopfff
@Lopfff Жыл бұрын
@@RyanWattersRyanWatters Just like 6ix9ine!
@CatchTwenty2
@CatchTwenty2 Жыл бұрын
For someone in his 90's I'd say he looks pretty good
@Lopfff
@Lopfff Жыл бұрын
@@CatchTwenty2 I’ve seen better
@popeyedoyle6360
@popeyedoyle6360 Жыл бұрын
@@Lopfff ok
@lagunabeachtrashpickup.cle6293
@lagunabeachtrashpickup.cle6293 Жыл бұрын
More theory from Noam.
@choppergirl
@choppergirl Жыл бұрын
I chose the precarious existence because after 12 years of school slavery thunderdome, I wanted nothing to do with the human race again. People are surprised when I tell them I've lived my whole life without a job... considering the amoutn of wealth I've accrued and live comfortablly. It was brutally hard, you learn to live like a dandelion betweent he cracks.
@corvusmonedulas4895
@corvusmonedulas4895 Жыл бұрын
where does your wealth come from?
@timobrienwells
@timobrienwells Жыл бұрын
Noam Chomsky has never had a clue what he is talking about. He has always complained about America and Capitalism, while the whole world is getting healthier and wealthier all the time. Noam Chomsky has always been a whiner, and the only people he talks to are whiners.
@rlukins
@rlukins Жыл бұрын
Big difference between health and wealth as assessed on a population average as apposed to considering how that average has come about. The gap between the wealthy and poor, sick and well, is undeniably obscene, surely?
@MW-ic7lr
@MW-ic7lr Жыл бұрын
Chomsky went to Epstein for advice on some "things."
@tomtsu5923
@tomtsu5923 Жыл бұрын
A reasonable take. Google Hegel's term "alienation" to gain some psychological insight on your perspective.
@cheponis
@cheponis Жыл бұрын
@@MW-ic7lr Excuse me. Chomsky has been open about this. Epstein moved some money for him, on the order of $ 25K. Big deal. It's not like Epstein *gave* him cash. If you have details, please explain your insinuation.
@cheponis
@cheponis Жыл бұрын
"never has a clue". OK, you are clearly consuming 100% propaganda. Good luck in your make-believe world.
@jeffreysimmons1084
@jeffreysimmons1084 Жыл бұрын
Hahahahahaha
@user-rh8fl8qz2z
@user-rh8fl8qz2z 6 ай бұрын
NC will soon be "moving beyond" everything he complains about. Bu bye norm!
@erichbittschwan5513
@erichbittschwan5513 Жыл бұрын
a steady job is an abomination. do away with wage slavery, once and for all.
@muaddib7685
@muaddib7685 Жыл бұрын
Noam is a 2 dimentional dinosaur who is best suited to only stick to math and language and mind his lane
@hyzercreek
@hyzercreek Жыл бұрын
This guy is a total chump. Work is 40 hours a week out of 168. That's 128 hours you don't work. You sleep another 45 hours that leaves 83 waking hours for yourself.
@cheponis
@cheponis Жыл бұрын
You are a wonderful Owner, exploiting your Labor. Or a trust-fund baby. It would seem....
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