Or the original 27kWh Hyundai Ioniq

and we have the Renault 5 to come ... if they get that pricing right ? then we will get a lot of opportunity to see the market expand.

@@ianrob4760 In paper the R5 has some better specs than the E-C3, so no surprise it will be a bit more expensive. Then, of course eyes also eat so, there is that fusion "futuristic retro" design, which is truly unique of its own and sort of makes a visible effort from someone to return back those times where each car had its personality from its builders; congrats Renault. I'd say that my heart would be with the R5 once in some ways it resembles my childhood time cars, one of them a Renault Super 5 where I was extremely happy... But realistically this E-C3 seems to be technically more balanced at the right price while not compromising basic building quality, actually perhaps making it even better than Renault, and some equipment inclusion, so if I were on the market, probably my money would be with this E-C3, probably on the basic "no frills" version, not the one shown here. Simply no need for the extra things if you just want a decent commuter vehicle out there for your urban or even rural area little trips.

@@nunagoras given that they now priced R5 at 32k then such an open market for this C3

@@ianrob4760 They'll have a more basic version in 2025 for the R5, but given the higher battery pack, I believe it will have a higher price than the basic E-C3. And it will be better equipped as well. Yeah, plenty of space for this E-C3. Less so for the Dacis Spring... Another story...

It should have a heat pump but doesn't, and I wish it had a front foldable seat like the Hyundai inster

Sounds like your car prices are just as much fun as Ireland…..

@@NobbyOnCars There are HUGE subsidies for EV in Italy right now, they offered me 13800€ for a You and around 17k for a Max, I think that is definetely a good price point.

@@LegioX_95 Whow . . . . that is HUGE. Great deal, dont think twice. 👍👍

It will indeed be a great buy as secondhand. Those LFP batteries have a great livespan. With 5.000 to 10.000 charge cycles, so easy 500.000+ mls without a problem.

According to other reviews, it is close to one pedal driving. Standard it is set on very high regenerative braking. The C in de drive selector stands for "comfort", and that will minimize the regen.

One pedal driving is really overrated but feel free to disagree. We EV drivers love to coast and that is possible by changing to N

C still also gives you some regen

But It does start at 23k, that's the price of the You version

Why wouldn’t I compare it? It looks the same, is the same, simply has two options of fuel type. For less money, you get a car that drives better.

​@@NobbyOnCarsYou're right, you do can compare this with the petrol version. On the other hand.... You should inform the potential buyers that: - this is an ice platform, there's better out in the wild on a real EV platform (Chinese and US branded especially) - it is only cheaper to buy, not in running costs (fuel, maintenance, taxes, repairs...) Also: The efficiency is not that uncommon for this kind of performance (or lack of it,..). I own and drive a Model 3 RWD LR. In summer I can also easily get the numbers you got from this car. And I do have and use triple the amount of bhp.

What would you like me to do about it? 🤦🏼

Citroen?

What car do you have? What process did you follow for charging? How much AC charging did you do versus rapid charging? Considering manufacturers cover that level of degradation under warranty, did you seek to make a claim? Await your response.

​​@NobbyOnCars Nissan leaf Teckna 30 kwhr 6.6 charger in Arctic White, made in Sunderland and driven in the NE of England. Charged at home where I could manage a time charge on octopus go 4 hours overnight charge between 00.30 and 04.30, the leaf having no in car control for 80% cut off on a 7 kw home charger. Earlier leafs evidentally did I am told but Nissan deemed it unessessary. The car was not excessively rapid charged. Nissan takes away a certain portion of the leaf battery anyway, so you can't access it and don't fully charge the battery to the actual 100 % capacity, that was the design safeguard. The car is never left for long perids on the charger at an indicated 100%, like you would like to believe. If you read the Nissan warranty, it says that they will only return the capacity to 9 battery bars out of 12, before 8 years, only repairing or replacing cells, not a new battery and only at their discretion I.e. no warranty at all. Also you have to pay for a battery check before any claim, which like I said has no guarantee of being fulfilled before the 8 years were up. I had 8 battery bars just before the 8 years were up, which if I had made a claim and they honoured it, which they didn't have to ( at their discretion ) they would have only taken the capacity up 1 bar for a short period before it inevitably degraded again. So what was the point. Now down to 7 battery bars after the 8 years was up. EV's are not fit for purpose as I have said and also like I said, all lithium ion batteries degrade with time and use cycles. It is just what they do. I also have a 16 year old Mercedes E Class diesel, which has been brimmed constantly and filled at an energy rate many multiples faster than rapid charging the leaf and still has the 650 mile range I bought it with and still does 51 mpg at highway speeds, at a much cheaper cost than rapid charging an EV on a run. Like i said, I will never buy another EV again, only a fool would. This is my response pal, from a real EV consumer. I won't rub it in though and tell you about my other, other car, a 20 year old Mazda MX5, which also works perfectly well. If you insist on an EV's battery only being charged to 80%, then you can reduce the real world ranges for the Citroen proportionately, which makes it even worse, i.e., 116 and 88 miles respectively, which is atrocious. When I bought my EV, there was only a few on the road, the majority of EV's now are fairly new and haven't had the chance to show severe degradation. One thing for certain, you won't see a 20 year old EV.

@@stevezodiac491 interesting to hear your experience. I don’t think anyone is in the dark about lithium batteries degrading, I guess replacing the cells would’ve been better than nothing. I do think we’ll see 20 year old EVs but it will be car / brand specific. I’d be very surprised for example if there’s not 20 year old Teslas, Toyotas, BMWs, BYD etc Have a 20 year old MX-5 myself, great car. On the Citroen, which is not your car, the battery chemistry is quite different. LFP batteries will become more prevalent in cars. For every Merc story, there’s another one that gave endless trouble, that’s just the nature of cars. There’s plenty of Leafs still knocking around despite your experience of a bad one so it’s hard to generalise about these cars from one example.

Still won't buy another one. Fool me once blame you, fool me twice blame me.

​@@stevezodiac491Sorry for you hearing about your battery woes, but you have to remember that the Leaf battery is accepted to be one of, if not the worst performing EV battery out there. No battery cooling system built in and apparently not the best composition either. The Leaf is renowned for battery degradation. Newer EVs and even similar vintage Ioniq 28 are not suffering the degradation problems that early Leaf owners have experienced. Better battery composition and liquid cooling means a more modern EVs battery should last MUCH longer than the Leaf's. One disadvantage of being an early adopter. You pay more and development rapidly leaves your vehicle obsolete. Unfortunately.

Or keep the car you already have, look after it, keep it for as long as possible?

​@@PixelVibe42 REDUCE (car production) REUSE (Keep reusing the same car) RECYCLE (Fix or repair using recycled parts from damaged cars) This will always be the most environmentally friendly means of transport

I wouldn’t consider owning an EV environmentally friendly because of the metals used to produce a battery. This is due to the significant amount of energy required for the procurement of raw materials and the manufacturing process itself.

Evs bombs on wheels look up eV fires worthless in 3 years its a scam throwaway cars telephone number size repair bills just hope the battery doesn't go bang when your in it

It takes 2 years to break even on carbon.

Do you believe any BS you read on Facebook?

God such a yawn comment. Move along now.

@NobbyOnCars l was expecting more from you but you have to play the game noting personal

@@michaelkilbride2927 it’s just an excuse for ignorance, must get boring trying to absorb all the waffle everyday to regurgitate it again on comments such as the one above

​@@michaelkilbride2927 People like you always think you know it all but the reality is that you don't actually know anything.

France will soon be making batteries using French minerals following a huge discovery in their own backyard.

@@safercyclinguk That’s some good news then! We should not be giving china money and helping them build up their war Machine!!! Their aggression around the world will only get worse!!

Citroen EC3 sold in indonesia with 20k usd (with 200km range). it's made in india. i heard it was around 10-12k usd in india. more likely it was made in india than china. about the battery, more likely citroen will use indian battery.. but i am not sure about it, unless some one open the case of the batteries inside the car

It is almost impossible to avoid China, EU is way after and the european carindustry is stupid and continue put out petrol cars instead of start fight back china's dominance. Europe need to manufactor/mining LFP battery solutions and put out affordable cars but it is clealy going way to slow.