Noctua X Phanteks | Revisiting the C14S Build!

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It's been awhile since we've checked out the Noctua C14S Build in the NR200, so let's take a look along with the 5800X. Instead of Noctua vs. Phanteks, we're going to have a little team building exercise today. Along with the cooling performance we will also discuss the importance of the top fan adjacent to the heatsink, as well as the board cooling with the tower cooler vs the top down cooler.
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0:00 Introduction
1:48 The setup
4:30 CPU Only Thermals
5:05 Is a top fan necessary?
6:20 Combined Thermals
6:59 Deshroud!
9:51 Board cooling investigated
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@dwhutto 2 жыл бұрын

Love all the different testing you do in your videos; it's very thorough and useful for the SFF community!

@ManicInc 2 жыл бұрын

Great watch as always. I only have a 3600 to cool so I keep it simple and use the C14S in its stock high profile setup with just the single 140mm fan attached to the top of the heat sink. It still keeps it under 75c and I prefer not having anything connected to the side panel for easier access during cleaning/admiring. Good versatile cooler and thanks for steering me towards it during your initial NR200 videos.

@Rocky_Bikeboa 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for you experiments with the NR200! Love your content! Interesting would be an investigation with the following setup: C14S + RTX3080/3090 Founder's Edition (+ second side panel fan). Also interesting: more (tape) mods for optimized airflow in the NR200.

@nubbins70 2 жыл бұрын

Been rocking a C14S for more than 2 years now in the Cerberus, am very grateful for your coverage of this beast of a cooler. At more than one point I was considering ditching it but your comparisons vs. U12A kept me on this boat, no one else gives it the benchmarks it deserves. 2 x A14-2000 keeps both my 5900X and 1.5V B-die cool, nothing else comes close on RAM cooling even dedicated RAM coolers. Also helps keeps the PCH and VRM cool on my Impact so can keep those rpms down.

@Turok2 2 жыл бұрын

Noice more coverage for my cpu cooler haha! Great video! I've had mine on two systems so far, with a 4790k + 2060 Super and a 10700 + 3070. It has not disappointed me one bit.

@IhsanAmin 2 жыл бұрын

Well made video. I liked the tape mod idea, i use my nr200p without a side panel so I might need to check it out

@marksulloway5669 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for this content.

@alphasixty1316 2 жыл бұрын

Best SFF content on the tubes. I hope you get your hands on a 690i or two soon.

@DaneMurdock 2 жыл бұрын

I've been wavering on whether I want to go for an air cooled SFF build again in the future, and had been looking into both top town cooler options and GPU deshroud options. This was a really helpful video on weighing some of those choices. I'm still also considering some similar cases that can be flipped so I can exhaust a GPU deshroud out of the top, and use a normal Air cooler to intake on the side and panel and exhaust out of the back, but seeing the VRM cooling on this top down cooler setup seems pretty worthwhile. And seeing the CPU temps with the GPU deshroud is also pretty impressive. A nice part about the new Phanteks fans is that the extra height can be good for specific setups like this.

@rodsillett5325 2 жыл бұрын

I am using all noctua 25x120mm fans. One fan on top (out)Two directly clipped to c14s (sucking in) and two on the bottom(sucking in) I have a 5900x and a 3080 TI. I created a shroud out of heavy black duct tape for the side fan on the c14s. I deshrouded and changed out thermal pads for 3080TI. I cut a square piece of plexiglass to fit the full length and width of case with a hole that exactly matches the radiator on the 3080ti. There are no tabs on my 3080. This seals off the bottom compartment with the two fans and increases the air pressure through the GPU. Very low cpu and GPU temps. Wish I had a 3d printer to do a better job of it like some have done on KZfaq

@FuglyEngineering 2 жыл бұрын

Your voice instills me to 100% trust your review.

@jasonames7452 2 жыл бұрын

Your vids helped me plan out my build when I managed to score a manufacturer refurbished 2060 super for a non-scalped price. I settled on the Gigabyte Aorus board with slightly raised CPU socket with a 5600x cooled by a Scythe Fuma2 in an NR200 with a single Fan over the PSU shroud. It's very quiet and cool, but considering the low power draw of the GPU and CPU, that's to be expected. I want to install a 3.5 inch hard drive, but I'm afraid it'll obstruct the airflow of the top exhaust and the tower cooler if I mount it on the PSU shroud. I'm curious to know if you think the presence of a thick 3.5 inch hard drive mounted on the side rail or the PSU would increase the importance of a top exhaust over the CPU cooler on the set up in this vid or in general.

@hardlytech9072 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoy your videos, they honestly helped me when getting my wife's SFF build ready. I'm curious, have you considered using 180 degree PCI-E adapters for your GPU's? I've used some in my builds for a few years now without any power delivery problems, and it really helped clean up the look and cable management of our PC's. I recommend staying away from some of the sellers on Amazon, some of the options available are built poorly. I purchased mine from mod diy. I know this sounds like an advertisement, but it's not. I just think it would add that extra layer of SFF cable management/cleanliness for your builds.

@yanniskouretas8688 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a big fan of C14S , I've set up mine in a push - pull config with 2 NF-A14 PWM with excellent results . It certainly can tame my 3900X . In my DA2 case it's on the limit space wise but works just fine . If it's possible to abandon entirely the side bracket , I believe that you can also use a push - pull config with 2 140mm fans easily . It may improve the cooler's performance a bit more than using the 120mm ones ... Worth a try .

@samgoff5289 2 жыл бұрын

No way, those 120mm fans are way better than the noctua 140 especially for noise

@FuglyEngineering 2 жыл бұрын

What would you say tdp would be with dual fans?

@yanniskouretas8688 2 жыл бұрын

@@FuglyEngineering my 3900x stock clocks - PBO enabled & performance governor (on Linux) tops at 140 - 150 W . I believe C14S can handle 160-170 W , no problems ...

@DrBreezeAir Жыл бұрын

I run a U-14S, nine Noctua fans and that Asus x Noctua collab you’ve mentioned. It’s the best system in terms of performance/noise I’ve ever had. I’d love to go with a U-12A, but it would create e-waste for no reason.

@lighthunter1980 2 жыл бұрын

I was considering the c14s in my NR200 but went for the u12a for more headroom. It fits just fine but I cannot fit a 25mm height 120mm fan above it. Had to go with a slim version instead. I removed the rear 92mm exhaust fan and let the u12a blow the heat out the back. My 5900x stays under 70C under prime95 at around 70% rpm.

@chibbyylol 2 жыл бұрын

I deshrouded my evga 3080 with the same heatsink. I had to bend those pins on the heatsink to get the zip-tied fans as close as possible and to actually get improved temps. Fortunately enough the tabs are quite bendable so I can bend them back for RMA purposes etc

@a_table 2 жыл бұрын

I would like to see this, but with the U12A also with the deshroud and a bit of different configurations that way and see how that compares

@grooners5333 2 жыл бұрын

After watching your videos 12 months ago I went C14S with just the stock 14cm fan, two slim Noctua at the base, one 25mm Noctua up top, for a 5800x on Gigabyte B550i and eventually a 3080ti Founders. The 5800x is on ECO mode to limit max power on multi-core as CPUs have more than enough performance, and an undervolt for the GPU. Each fan model has an RPM where is becomes audible so just a little work to set fan curves below this until gaming, so with fan stop on GPU & PSU it's an easy system to live with. The CPU and GPU temps pretty much look after themselves, but it's motherboard temps that slowly rise while gaming and ramp up the case fans. I also judge things by the cool-down time - how quickly the system normalises after stopping gaming - and the two bottom fans really help with this.

@mattlestat2703 2 жыл бұрын

Nr 200p case ? i have same m/b noctua says c14s depends on case .

@grooners5333 2 жыл бұрын

@@mattlestat2703 There is no problem with the side of the case. The issue is because of the Gigabyte m/b socket position there is no room for a second 25mm fan at the top. I wanted the c14s to draw air from the side as there is an air filter on the side panel but not one at the rear. Cooling a Zen 3 CPU isnt the biggest issue - its moving the air inside the case that gradually warms up because of the GPU - even with a Nvidia FE blowing half out the back. I found two bottom fans and one at the top is enough.

@mattlestat2703 2 жыл бұрын

@@grooners5333 Thanks for reply didn't want to buy wrong cooler 150 bucks here on special.

@grooners5333 2 жыл бұрын

@@mattlestat2703 About 3:21 in this video is with the GB motherboard - the rest of the video is with the Asus so the cooler sits lower in the case I have my 14cm fan "above" the heatsink in its normal position as theres room with the side panel - and just the one CPU fan with a 5800x

@chrisnotyourbusines7739 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for the video, could you ask the phanteks rep if a 140 mm version of this fan is planned?

@iumplt 2 жыл бұрын

Can you put another 140 fan on the right side of the side bracket as exhaust? I think it may make the cooling better when not doing deshroud, but I am not sure whether there can be some strange effects when two fans next to each other with opposite directions (one as intake and one as exhaust).

@EmiratiAuto 2 жыл бұрын

What about in C14S and dishroud mode add 2 top fan intake and below GPU 2 exhaust fans ... what do think will be the result ?... just trying to avoid the negative pressure and the dust

@mnap1595 Жыл бұрын

Some time ago, I recall discussion on top-down coolers being more effective when the fans pull air away from the motherboard, rather than blowing onto it. Any chance you've tested that?

@shaunvickers9255 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for your great informative videos for building with the nr200. Im looking for some advice on improving cooling for my current system. Like your system i an using an nr200 with the nactua c14s with the included noctua fan attached to the heat sink on the top pulling fresh air in from the side panel. I am running the included smaller case fan exhaust out of the rear and the larger included case fan exhaust out the top front opening. Cpu is i12700kf gpu is rtx3070. The 3070 is stock mounted pulling in air from yhe bottom. When running cinebench multi core i am quickly thermal throttling my CPU (99c and it pulls back the boost). I would like to improve cooling so my setup is no longer thermally limited. I purchased an additional cooler master scicle flow 120 to install in the second top opening above the cpu cooler to exhaust air but that made thermal throttling worse (lower cinebench score). Trying to decide what to try next to improve cooling. Welcome any suggestions.

@RickieBeubie 2 жыл бұрын

super interesting, if i had a spare GPU i'd try to tinker a 3D print shroud for custom GPU fans, but i'm too scared to mess up my only GPU lol

@troyb6125 Жыл бұрын

Will a slim fan fit on the side panel together with the c14 heatsink which include its stock fan?

@JinggyFul 2 жыл бұрын

Phanteks hype!

@nosferatu8062 Жыл бұрын

i wonder if u gonna made video using asus x noctua rtx 3070/3080 was installed on the nr200 tho

@cannesahs 2 жыл бұрын

What thermal paste (TIM) you prefer to use yourself?

@ch33zpuff 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a big fan of the unbeatable temps with the GPU deshroud and exhaust setup, but as you mentioned, the hot air from a 3080 can be quite annoying. It's getting cooler now in Canada so it's slightly more bearable compared to the summer months, but definitely something to be aware of for anyone who has their PC on their desk right beside them.

@MachinesMore 2 жыл бұрын

Haha yeah it’s going to be a blessing in the winter, just shut your heating off and snuggle up to your 3080! 🧤🧣

@mikfhan Жыл бұрын

Oh yes! with the increase in heating cost I'd just lay the case down on its PSU side (raised an inch from table by some standoffs) then whenever my hands get cold I can just remove the game FPS limiter and heat them up for a few seconds :D with the new 40-series launching soon, hopefully without finger burns!

@zegafregaomega Жыл бұрын

How necessary is it to have that Noctua on the underside of the c14s? Seems like a push/pull-type config is just giving the air too little place to go. Any comparison of this anywhere?

@ouki4925 2 жыл бұрын

What about testing with just one fan on the C14s?

@JBee15 2 жыл бұрын

Spooky I have a 5800x, mugen 5 and 6800 xt and added a c14s to my Amazon basket and have been designing fan ducts for a deshroud

@ryanlemieux3323 Жыл бұрын

Nice video, but missing one critical thing... benchmarks with the stock A14 fan to observe whether the T30 is worth using instead over the Noctua A14! Video doesn't answer whether swapping in a T30 is worth it.

@EmiratiAuto 2 жыл бұрын

Did you disabled the top exhaust fans in Deshroud mode ? because you didn't mention about it in the chart if disabled or On ?

@MachinesMore 2 жыл бұрын

They’re on in both scenarios- in one they are running faster (~1500 rpm) and in the other where the T30s are running faster, 1000 RPM.

@iumplt 2 жыл бұрын

How about Dark Rock TF 2? Do you expect it to be similar/better/worse than C14S? It comes with two fans so probably we can just use its own fans.

@diequas 2 жыл бұрын

How come you can only fit a 12 cm fan in the bottom of the C14 heatsink? What's obstructing a 14 cm fan? I can't see it in the video.

@aowa9727 2 жыл бұрын

Can a C14S cool down a 5950X in this case?

@mnitzah4459 2 жыл бұрын

You think if you Drill some holes in the side panel you could fit a d15?

@MachinesMore 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, it just needs to clear the protrusions from the heatpipes.

@sghound 2 жыл бұрын

bruh great vid. ever tried 2 side panel intake fans?

@MachinesMore 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers. I have! Two intakes is better- however the extra right side intake only results in a benefit of about another degree or so, so whether or not that and the extra noise is worth it… not definitive!

@sghound 2 жыл бұрын

@@MachinesMore thx for the info mate. was also wondering which pwm fan headers do u connect the case fans to, assuming the mobo has a total of 3 (with 1 already taken for cpu cooler c14s). which leaves the top exhaust fans for 1 header, and the bottom and side intakes for the last header?

@iumplt 2 жыл бұрын

It seems that C14S can achieve better cooling but with quite a number of additional fans and tinkering. Would you recommend a gamer with 12700k+3080 with U12A or C14S?

@ryanlemieux3323 Жыл бұрын

C14S is ideal because it isolates heat from the GPU completely, and if you're an 80 class user you are definitely in high TGP territory where the C14S is even more warranted. Also considering motherboards themselves are becoming more complicated to cool, top-down coolers work wonders for cooling motherboard components and RAM as a bonus. Tower coolers like the U12A do not provide these benefits.

@thethiagosc 2 жыл бұрын

i put 2x 120mm radiators (1 cpu and onother for GPU) inside a cougar QBX qith a Full ATX modular power supply (core reactor 750W), 6x 120mm fans (+1x of the power supply)

@ibdustin15 Жыл бұрын

Why not put another side panel fan?

@mattlestat2703 2 жыл бұрын

According to noctua x570i rog strix is not compatible with u14s. io shroud is to big . Did you remove it?

@MachinesMore 2 жыл бұрын

C14S you mean? It works fine.

@dannesea 2 жыл бұрын

nr200 with side radiator will give better temps tnan the max case?

@MachinesMore 2 жыл бұрын

From my testing, yes the side mounted intake is better for overall thermals. Both configs allow a 280, the MAX setup results in more thermal dependence between CPU and GPU cooling.

@lucky-productions 2 жыл бұрын

I have a side mounted fan to help my Big Shiruken out too, but never considered attaching to the same header as the KAZI flex! Think that's important?

@MachinesMore 2 жыл бұрын

I think it depends on if the two fans have similar airflow for the same PWM signal. The cooler fan is a slim one so it’s going to move a bit less air at the same RPM for a typical 25mm fan, so to balance the airflow it won’t have to run as fast. If your case fan is a 25mm fan that tops out at a lower speed then yes, I think it could work, otherwise I’d place it on a separate header- they can run off the CPU temp regardless if they are on the same header or not.

@lucky-productions 2 жыл бұрын

@@MachinesMore thanks man. Love the channel btw!

@tommo531 2 жыл бұрын

Will using a c14s cause problems on my aorus x570i from all the heat getting blown into?

@rando843 2 жыл бұрын

The air cools it if anything, from what I understand

@skytreegirl6929 2 жыл бұрын

just use a d9l. good for rgb ram show

@sangartekbal 2 жыл бұрын

You should try that you can fit d15 or d15s with shorter standoffs (4mm), and probably a motherboard without separate shield will helps for the IO allignment in NR200, I managed to shove d15s on crosshair viii impact motherboard with the original fan in the center and 120mm on the other side and able to keep the side panel from popping off by screwing in the side panel, results in peak of my ryzen 5900x around 60 to 65 degrees celcius on stress test with rtx 3090 xc3

@codydaklutz 2 жыл бұрын

I desperately want them to release a chromax version of the c14s

@MachinesMore 2 жыл бұрын

Haha I would too. But then the thought popped into my head that the C14 wasn’t really meant to be looked at😉

@P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV 2 жыл бұрын

You forgot to test both the CPU and GPU cooler as exhaust.

@MachinesMore 2 жыл бұрын

I have tested the C14S as exhaust before and reversing airflow… not very good that way, so I don’t try it again. One other option for prioritizing GPU thermals is bottom intake though.