Noita Plicate Spells Are Secretly Overpowered

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Ай бұрын

Just another Noita video ranting about some ways to use the plicate spells. Let me know if you think they are actually overpowered or if you think this is fairly balanced. Thanks for watching!
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@nerocapro4319 Ай бұрын

we bathe in wurm blood tonight!

@Ishkagal Ай бұрын

Now the devs are gonna nerf them again, SMH, thanks old man. Daily Request for more Death montages.

@sgmvideos5175 Ай бұрын

would make them basically useless...

@nmmeswey3584 Ай бұрын

If they havent nerfed the negative weakness exploit so far, theyre not gonna nerf this

@spamcolector Ай бұрын

@@nmmeswey3584as I know they did. now it's up to 0 but not negative

@nonenothingnull Ай бұрын

WE DEMAND MORE DED MONTAGES

@musicaccount3340 29 күн бұрын

@@spamcolectorso you can still become completely immune to projectiles?

@ForrestRanus Ай бұрын

Don’t worry about boring KZfaq, a lot of people are starving for long content. Keep doing your thing!

@meedrowh1809 Ай бұрын

The chance for 5 Worms in a row to drop a heart is 3.125% Neat. Time to start using the -plicates spells for real.

@yaksher Ай бұрын

Yeah, but getting no hearts 5 times in a row would have been equally noteworthy, so the chance of an event that he would have cared about is 6.25% lol

@meedrowh1809 Ай бұрын

@@yaksher True, but when this was happening, Dunk was perplexed because he thought that somehow, the worms would *always* drop hearts when spawned from the -plicate spell. At least, that's the vibe I got from him.

@yaksher Ай бұрын

@@meedrowh1809 I don't think so, I'm pretty sure he was just a little surprised that it kept dropping-now if the worms had not dropped any hearts, that would be been more noteworthy because he would have thought it was broken.

@RailgunPercent Ай бұрын

!!!!BUDGET GREEKS!!!!

@TheFerociousWolf Ай бұрын

dont worry about us getting worn out here on youtube. honestly id like more vods getting uploaded. but i do get wanting to keep your yt higher quality so mby upload them on the dunk or trash channel. personally really enjoyed the 100% run

@swanswanswan Ай бұрын

New dunk vid on a Friday, it's a good day.

@RedRiotRoss Ай бұрын

Ive definitely had a couple wand builds that required missing the mana cost of stuff, like not casting omega because of mana cost limitation but and using a or gamma to use it cheaply without a recharge apell

@RedRiotRoss Ай бұрын

Still tho this is neato info for how they consume charges

@Ko0bEy Ай бұрын

Great Video! Small correction: -plicates will only copy spells of type "projectile" or "static projectile", not Matter Eater for example.

@dutchthenightmonkey3457 Ай бұрын

He didn’t explain this, but when a limited modifier (such as matter eater) interacts with a utility spell type it doesn’t get used, I’m not entirely sure what happens in this whether it does get used because it gets applied to the duplicated projectile, or it doesn’t because it counts as going toward a utility

@Ko0bEy 26 күн бұрын

@@dutchthenightmonkey3457 Good point you are raising. i should clarify how this works: plicate -> Matter Eater -> spark bolt here, plicate ignores matter eater (since its not a projectile). this will spend charges of matter eater. Matter Eater -> plicate -> spark bolt assuming we dont have mana for all the spark bolts, the original spark bolt is never cast, matter eater has no projectiles in the same cast, and therefore spends NO charges.

@Boamere Ай бұрын

I last played noita in january of 2023 but I still watch every single noita vid from you and fury

@spilledsoju03 Ай бұрын

What you waiting on😂

@Boamere Ай бұрын

@@spilledsoju03 nothing, interested in the game and secrets but find playing it a bit tiring lol

@keol9920 Ай бұрын

same, game gets pretty stale after discovering secrets and being able to 11-orb, but that's still a good 100h or so of a great game

@j2k- Ай бұрын

new to noita and the channel, love your content! you explain everything like you're our big brother

@1lomi901 Ай бұрын

That's very very nice to know ! Thanks sweaty man

@person9473 Ай бұрын

you know its a good day when there's a new dunk or slam video out. Got my first sun quest done thanks to you!

@afrid967 Ай бұрын

My sun is gone after i follow this into cheese moon in heaven. Idk why

@RossPfeiffer Ай бұрын

yeah, that combined with a heart mage would be insane

@AcidArmy_ Ай бұрын

What’s this got to do with a heart mage

@wyrdplae8586 Ай бұрын

@@AcidArmy_ There is a trick that can be done with the heart mage to cause 1 heart to give you many thousands of HP. The hardest part of which is normally getting the heart mage to be near where the heart is. But with this you could do it any time you find a heart mage, and you could repeat it many times.

@AcidArmy_ Ай бұрын

@@wyrdplae8586 well yeah. I guess I meant why a heart mage when this is a spell and there are already a billion ways to get OP

@averagelithuanian 24 күн бұрын

@@AcidArmy_so imagine you have like 1000 hp and get set to 1 hp by the heart wizard, then you pick up a heart and let the effect run out, you now have 25000 hp, pretty simple, right?

@AcidArmy_ 24 күн бұрын

@@averagelithuanian …I’ve got 500 hours I don’t need this explained to me, I was just asking if these two great ways to get OP somehow had a closer connection than I assumed

@maito1794 Ай бұрын

He wasn't lying, it took him 3h

@jhinthevirjhin9339 Ай бұрын

I personally don't care about 'boring' runs, I would watch any runs, and if it's any challange run it's just a bonus. Even just unedited twitch vods are cool for me, and looking at comments, others share that view :D

@WhyNot-gw1xq 12 күн бұрын

Agreed love the ranting, always open to more notia knowledge! The Long runs are nice

@psyantologist Ай бұрын

Thanks, dude! Highly appreciate your break-downs :) congrats on the challenge run, by the way!

@qedsoku849 Ай бұрын

Bout to Plicate my health pool with this one, didn't know about any of this before the video.

@Majorchug 20 күн бұрын

Love the noit. Thanks so much for the wisdom Dunk!

@GoneDee 17 күн бұрын

I love the ranting bro ty for the videos

@eastterminal2246 Ай бұрын

Oh the matosade trick is so handy!

@patatedouceyaim1407 12 күн бұрын

Yo man sad I’m only getting into this game now, looks like your streams and shit were dope af. Killer vids man

@michael2636 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the info! I just picked up a duplicate spell on my current run and I'm adding it to a wand with giga black hole. Now i know to switch that setup to a weaker (less mana) wand instead

@jackbenoit9546 Ай бұрын

Thank you, I was sad not to use those nice purple spells but now I will !

@gregschwartz4017 Ай бұрын

I appreciate the KZfaq stuff. I'd love to watch Twitch more often, but I'm East coast, and staying up till 4 am gets ugly.

@BennettWelch-giant. Ай бұрын

Please do an extended version of this I want all the knowledge!

@xBrillow Ай бұрын

You could NEVER bore us Dunk, i appreciate that youre always worried that your runs are too boring but honestly man Id watch anything you put up. Love you bro!

@pudrig5543 Ай бұрын

good advice very appreciated I had been trying to beat alki & unlock greek spells for literally 4 years, did it this week, now any time I get a decent seed I take the gold biome then go to the shop in zone 2 of the work and get greek spells most times. Or from hiisi hourglass, I think unlocking greek spells is pretty big personally

@DushanMandic Ай бұрын

I only watch on youtube since your twitch streams are so late for me, but thanks for posting this. I'll try it out. I don't know how much work it is, but if you had the time you could just post the twitch vods here. I have been watching all of your old(er) videos while I've been at work and there are some great nuggets of info there.

@afrid967 Ай бұрын

I saw that spells in my run. Nice to know what i can do with that in future

@teremleonheart3776 Ай бұрын

The true meta-progression.

@afrid967 Ай бұрын

@@teremleonheart3776 mind meta-progresstion

@showjaymayhem Ай бұрын

That worm heart farm seems OP Thanks

@shamwhoa Ай бұрын

Hi I'll have a whopper with fries and a coke, thanks king 👑

@RemotelySkilled Ай бұрын

Great stuff! Let me see what chance makes me try first: Your heart mage or this trick. Awesome, thank you!

@Deado Ай бұрын

You could easily try to get a ton of hearts in the same area and bring them down to a Master Of Wounding (Heart Mage) to get a ton of pre-Kolmi HP - would be a really good starting point and a pretty easy thing to do with a tiny bath of ambrosia.

@xn85d2 Ай бұрын

It's doable, sure, but probably more of a pain in the butt than you think. You'd have to find one of these rare spells, and find the materials to kill bridge boss, and have a good way to kill worms fast, have found ambrosia, and happen to find a heart mage early enough in the run for this to even matter. If you can pull it off if it's still worth it, but the amount of times I just couldn't find ambrosia at all in a run makes me a bit skeptical how often this can be used. If you kill Alchemist boss you're almost to parallel worlds already (just need black holes and wand heals) and once you're at parallel worlds your HP becomes more than you normally need very quickly.

@Deado Ай бұрын

@xn85d2 tru, but I think since u can find the spell after beating pit boss first time, and since he's easy to kill w spark trigger + plasma/death cross, it wouldn't be terrible. Freeze is almost always found early and Ambrosia is pretty much optional, tho I know how it feels struggling to get any pre-alch

@quivergod8423 Ай бұрын

@@xn85d2 Ehh not too difficult, but its very tedious tbh You can solve most of these problems by the time you cleared Jungle & have wand editing The hardest part is finding a plicate spell *at all* cuz they kinda rare.

@xn85d2 Ай бұрын

Well I literally just had a run where I could do the Matosade plus Plicate spell trick, but it was only after getting to the final HM and with no heart mage trick. The extra HP was very helpful even without being crazy doubled.

@uugabuuga7450 Ай бұрын

I am currently in a run wondering if I should get the unlimited spells perk and I think you just answered my question :)

@seandavidson Ай бұрын

This makes sense. My guess is, the stack has to cast the copies of the original first before the last instance of the spell. If you cast the original first, you technically don't have the spell to copy anymore. That's the way I think about it.

@schnitzel_rada7605 Ай бұрын

A bastion of the Noita community! Thanks again Chase. I've walked past these spells a bunch.

@user-nk7dh3th6t 6 күн бұрын

can you make a video about pollen looping? its confusing and your videos always help me

@yehusinede9913 Ай бұрын

he did it

@HananeMeow Ай бұрын

I only watch you from KZfaq ❤ Please make more nice content like this 👌👍

@kylonhollier3805 Ай бұрын

dunk really cooked with this one..

@TimeDoggo Ай бұрын

Really useful advice.

@EstanBulLoFre Ай бұрын

Apparently there's a Noita PVP tournament going on and would love to see you take a swing at it

@vicenteperez2136 Ай бұрын

this would be pretty useful early game before alchemist if you find one of these basically you can save the spell refreshes in the holy mountains so must things you can't get to early game is possible if you have one of these good shit who ever found that out also dunk if you see this please post more content on here i binge all of it even if its from the streams your the only guy i can watch without major spoilers to puzzles most of the time like fury

@johnmc9073 Ай бұрын

You could talk about this game for 100 hours and I will listen to it. I feel this content is more engaging to me because you're constantly shooting out information and keep it exciting as you go from simple to more complicated stuff. In comparison with gameplay footage, that bores me a lot quicker than this, since there are moments of stagnation before you move on to the next goal, and you get the deal but still, gameplay content is good to watch, it just depends on how my day has been and what I'm doing at the moment.

@enviosinterdimencionales8612 Ай бұрын

mush love Dunk. best noita player ever.

@Zortan12 Ай бұрын

Thanks Dunk

@HelciusCabral Ай бұрын

Curious if that trick would allow you to cast a hugely mana intensive spell (many dmg+ or whatever) even though the wand didn't have the mana capacity

@rinner2801 Ай бұрын

Thanks!

@Lambocoon Ай бұрын

please overwhelm me with noita content

@greatnotch360 Ай бұрын

Dang, I skipped these a couple of times even tho wanted to try it. Now I know, ty

@microbrain9285 16 күн бұрын

dunk, does freeze liquid perk is best way to dodge polymorphine?

@BF1_enthusiast Ай бұрын

Amazing video as always, gigachad. Yeah that's pretty OP😂

@772thugable Ай бұрын

i subbed to dunk or trash when i found out there was 40 hrs of footage on there

@mitaro525 Ай бұрын

That's cool and all but can you explain chainsaw wrapping?

@zachmaw2966 13 күн бұрын

This is the first time I've ever watched a video without realizing fifteen minutes had gone by before it was pointed out to me...

@cadesummers5866 Ай бұрын

Thank you king!!🤴🏻

@AWESOMO5 Ай бұрын

Please make a video explaining how the "Requirement" spells work, and maybe the Divide By

@Tempus62 3 күн бұрын

the fact it uses the plicate charge FIRST of what its plicating, I 100% do think it is in fact intentional because that would be an incredible oversight otherwise lmao

@MaximusFPV 28 күн бұрын

Not sure if this is known yet but multicasting this trick with a wand refresh seems to negate the cost of both the “plicate” and the matosade, so you get infinite charges if both without the perk. Just spent 20min farming hearts this way before I hoped off for the day but I cast it at least 50 times and it’s still at 20 charges for the 5-plicate (whatever the name is) and 2 for matosade.

@BennettWelch-giant. Ай бұрын

FIRE.

@spamcolector Ай бұрын

Dunk, I kindly request you for a tut for the advanced wand building(div10, S2P/G2P… requirements, etc.) there is not much on the wiki and in KZfaq.

@OnlyForTheW3ak Ай бұрын

Is it possible to use greek letter to make the plicate spell unlimited to get infitine heart farm without unlimited spells?

@Tarkov. Ай бұрын

Wow that's nuts.

@Pennycilin3 29 күн бұрын

I like the idea of -plicate spells as an intermediary spell for greek spells, but the interaction with matosade is definitely broken.

@thelostsoul9446 Ай бұрын

bro hit the 1 in 32 in the plicate tutorial, nice

@theycallmeJacko Ай бұрын

I knew someone would make this seemingly underwhelming spell OP somehow. Not surprised you were to be the one to do it.

@Kalightortaio Ай бұрын

Bored of Noita videos? Never!

@user-ox4ii2bw6x 29 күн бұрын

Trying it out on spell labs, it's consuming both the plicate charge and the black hole charge.

@GloomRng Ай бұрын

Watched the video, next run found the spells, 2000 health, life is good , got complacent , no fire immunity , ranoutofwater.jpg, dead.

@swino4ka Ай бұрын

Limited Greek letters?

@drradzig81 Ай бұрын

Overwhelm us with content? What do you mean!? GIMME MOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!

@marekgocman2949 Ай бұрын

Thx Dunk,,,,you the B E S T !

@ilovehelldivers5317 Ай бұрын

I was starting to think we were left out :>

@apgamer4053 18 күн бұрын

did they patch this im on the release so not the beta 6-7-2024 useing a wand that has 160 max mana 1 cast set up like this (giant spitter with timer 45mana - yiplacate 40mana -matosada 225mana) doing this uses 1 charge of the yiplaceat and burns out of mana... if i use a wand that has 800 max it uses a charge of yiplacate and matosada summons 1 worm that can drop a heart........ after quick testing i did figure it out you have to pinpoint the mana .... yiplacate casts 2 copys if you want the effect to go off you need enough mana to trigger atleast 1 of the copys BUT NOT MORE or it will use a charge from the copyed spell example (same setup but with a wand that has 310>535)

@dpcxx Ай бұрын

As a programmer I can see it totally comes from how the spell was implemented and was probably never intended. :D . The spell charge on the target spell is decremented after the last copy of it is cast. And it just doesn't happen if the last copy couldn't happen.

@varethedemon Ай бұрын

I feel this would be easy to nerf for early game, just make the first copy of the spell consume the charge instead of last, and only give copies for each that is successfully paid for, so if you are 50 mana short of the last black hole, it casts one less, if you don't have mana for any, it doesn't consume a charge, but casts none and consumes a peplicate.

@ScissorElevator Ай бұрын

These are just free samples of the greek letter spells

@TheOnlyMiolli Ай бұрын

Do this during the heart mage trick.

@salt8888 Ай бұрын

plicate matosade heartmage moment

@kamichameleon 22 күн бұрын

Wait, the worms from Matosade don't drop hearts anymore, right?

@Nemesis0405 Ай бұрын

Finally another chain saw wrapping vid.... oh wait.

@MrKaftpaket Ай бұрын

Found a yplicate while watching this video lmao, maybe first god run with Matosade?!

@TheRoysar Ай бұрын

This old man has somehow mult-iplicated his age many times over

@aetrig_ Ай бұрын

I haven't tested it myself so i can't be 100% sure here! From your video it seems that if there is not enough mana to cast it fully it casts as many copies as it can without consuming the charge of the spell it's copying (Only the iplicate spell charge). That's why Heplicate + Black Hole casted 2 black holes in Iplicate pattern while on wand with 600 mana (130 for Heplicate, 360 for 2 black holes gives us 490, 110 left not enough for another black hole). It immediately screams to be abused to have a lot of charges (or infinite with unlimited spells) of a spell while also casting 5 copies of it at the same time (with Heplicate and careful manage of mana). Combining this with Matosade (and maybe some divide by I am not sure how this would combine here) may make a completely insane health farm. Edit: Did a little bit of testing, Matosade does not work, it always spawns only 1 worm, but the mechanic is there. Wand with 1030 max mana Heplicate and black does indeed cast 5 black holes without consuming black hole charge (in a pentagonal pattern). I don't know if there is some huge use for that (since Matosade does not work) but maybe someone will find a spell that works very well with it.

@xn85d2 Ай бұрын

What do you mean when you say Matosade doesn't work? Wouldn't a similar Helpicate setup spawn 4 worms with that wand?

@aetrig_ Ай бұрын

@@xn85d2 That's what i thought would happen too, but it just did not work for me for some reason and only spawned a singular worm

@xn85d2 Ай бұрын

@@aetrig_ Hmm, interesting. I'll have to check it out.

@jaakarimiquel8473 Ай бұрын

decades from now we will have scholars with grey beards still researching Noita spells

@simpson6700 Ай бұрын

i'm wouldn't be surprised if this gets nerved or removed.

@martinludke9245 Ай бұрын

Sorry, what am I missing? never saw any of those in my noita runs, they do not need unlocks right? and I played a lot of hours a noita the last days

@leaftenanthill Ай бұрын

They're utility type; utility type spells won't spawn on naturally-generated wands except for some special premade ones (and as far as I know, no premade wands include -plicate spells), so they will seem a lot rarer than e.g. projectile type spells. (Also, they've only been in since Epilogue 2 update and don't have the highest selection probabilities even when they are eligible.)

@xn85d2 Ай бұрын

They are pretty rare and don't appear on wands, so you can realistically only expect them to show up in Holy Mountain shops, eye room or hell shop.

@martinludke9245 Ай бұрын

@@leaftenanthill understood, thank you!

@michaeltrimble7680 Ай бұрын

He fed his youtube community!

@benjaminmeriwether9165 Ай бұрын

Not to mention setting this up next to a heart wizard

@botno69420 15 күн бұрын

Finnish is so hard with all those ä's and ö's... Also here we have this spell called mätosade.

@Blackmuhahah Ай бұрын

more runs!!! just random runs, as far as I'm concerned you can even leave in twitch sounds... worste case mute the video sound when they take over...

@vanrick772 Ай бұрын

EXTENDED EXTENDED EXTENDED

@haroldbalzac6336 17 күн бұрын

it didnt work for me. Got a quplicate spell and put it on a wand with 180 mana. I was trying to copy a circle of vigor spell. 80*4 plus 90=410. dont know what happened.

@3OHT. Ай бұрын

wow i never knew

@goodstormsgames9744 Ай бұрын

I would love the oct one eith the eggs. 100s of friends

@hamishfox 29 күн бұрын

OP part starts at 13:33

@Cosmis5 29 күн бұрын

DunkOrTrash 4 lyfe 🤙

@tiko- Ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip. IMO they should just make it not use charges of the 2nd spell, mana thing feels like a bug. I also feel like this is a little less cheesy than using the blood mages so I hope they don't fix the Matosade thing

@michaelleue7594 Ай бұрын

how is infinite hearts with 2 spells less cheesy than heart mages that can only be done once per run?

@tiko- Ай бұрын

@@michaelleue7594 additive vs multiplicative, you can get insanely high HP with the heart mage trick that would take a long time to grind with the matosade trick. but they are both cheesy if we're being real. combining them would be insane

@HarryvandeSunweb Ай бұрын

@@michaelleue7594 its not infinite and heart mages give way more

@sitrex8459 Ай бұрын

@@michaelleue7594 It's only infinite if you have unlimited spells perk though, and also you do have to kill bridge boss for matosade. Heart mage cheese can be done infinite times too, requires no spells or perks, and it gives ridiculously more health than plicate spell matosade. Both have their risks and rewards but to me, heart mage cheese is much more broken, not that I want them to fix it.

@michaelleue7594 Ай бұрын

@@sitrex8459 I dunno, I feel like if you can get to the point where heart mages even start appearing, you're already pretty much in good shape to do whatever. The ability to kill the bridge boss is a much lower threshold, since all you need is a single plasma spell and a trigger. The earliest place you might find a heart mage is magical temple by the snowy depths, and that's a crapshoot. You can only reliably find them by the jungle.