How to Choose the Right Handlebar for Bikepacking & Biketouring? How to avoid NUMB hands?

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2 жыл бұрын

What is the Most Comfortable and Fun Handlebar for Bikepacking and Bicycle-touring? In this video i will answer this.
Also I deep dive on:
1.How to choose a good handlebar
2. The differences between Dropbars & Flatbars?
3. I compare drop bars , Jones H bar, Butterfly handlebar & MTB style flat bar. Pros & Cons of each bar!
4. How to avoid wrist Injuries and numb hands.
5. what is the best GRIP for Jones Loop Bar.
6. which one is my favourite handlebar after more than 10 years of bicycle touring and why?
Let us know in the Comment your favourite Handlebar.
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@Mike-vd2qt 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Long time touring cyclist, 68 years old, the Jones-H Bar is the way to go. Add a Brooks B-17 saddle with proper break-in; some very low gearing; take half of what you think you need; and you're all set for a tour. Happy trails :-)

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, well said 🙌🏼

@peterdelmonte9832 9 ай бұрын

That summing up is bang on correct. I got my Jones bars five years ago (74 now) and they made riding comfortable, even possible, with the arthritis in my hand that made gripping on the hoods of drops im-possible. My Brooks Pro was maybe a mistake 25 years ago (thicker leather than a B17 and has never become wholly comfy) but looks so terrific, I can’t bring myself to change it. Even typing this makes me think I might get a B17. Fickle aren’t we?!

@Mike-vd2qt 9 ай бұрын

@@peterdelmonte9832 I rode a Brooks :Pro on my first bike tour across the US in 1984. Try putting a big slop of Brooks Proofide under the saddle and rub it in good. If it soaks up quickly add another big wad of Proofide and go for a ride, body heat will make it absorb. That should help soften it up to your sit bones.

@verenacharmine6335 2 жыл бұрын

After watching your video i paid special attention to the position of my wrists - no wonder my fingers got numb during my last bicycle tour! İ adjusted the saddle height back then, but it didn't cross my mind that i could also change the angle of the handle bars to take away pressure from the wrists. Thanks a lot for drawing attention to this!

@yanyangustian5603 6 күн бұрын

Yes i agree with u,maybe i'm not friendly biker for dropbar.. when uphill it's okay.. but when downhill noo waay.. i've got pain in my hips,neck & wrist to control the bike.. But i really appreciate person who can enjoy with drop bar.. they're tough guy 😬👍

@smedleybutler1969 2 жыл бұрын

I love your videos they are great! I recently changed my bars to the Jones 2.5 ,they give you a better angle and more rise,they are so comfortable,the extra height plus I put stop shock stem and seat post I feel like I am home sitting in my Lazy Boy chair!

@donnyo65 9 ай бұрын

Glad I discovered this video - I've having problems with my wrists. I've wondered about trying the Jones bar and this has decided it for me - thank you.

@Ron_Boy 6 ай бұрын

I've been debating whether to ditch the drop bars on my gravel bike. Your video helped me decide. Thanks so much for posting it!!

@tenrec 9 ай бұрын

Much better video than I expected -- lots of good information! I also love your accent.

@BrasssMunky 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video :) I greatly appreciate you sharing your hard earned wisdom, and explanations of how you gained this understanding.

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. I hope it was useful 😊

@kevindean9613 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video , with regards to fitting the Ortlieb bag ,If you have the Jones bar 2.5" raised version you can fit the bag with the Orlieb extension bracket , I find it works really well .

@onelove8062 Ай бұрын

Your B roll is so fire dude. Legendary, thank you

@johnpark8637 2 жыл бұрын

great comment about the wrist! get correct angle.

@avrilking7026 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. Bars that are ergonomic are a game changer. I have been living on my bike ("91" Trek mountain track 820 , purple with titanium letters) since 2021. I put mustache bars,V brakes, and friction shifters on. Made a hibrid! It's very comfy now! I❤ my mustache bars. Ride on!

@curtbrown7967 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic! Very real information

@zeljkograovac1710 2 жыл бұрын

After a few tried and tested steering wheels, I discovered Johnes H bars and was reborn in my rides. It is a steering wheel that satisfies all the needs of long rides on bad and good roads. The steering wheel makes driving pleasant and interesting. I recommend it to everyone.

@daniellarson3068 Жыл бұрын

Classy Voice - Subject was well explained. I was thinking of replacing my straight bar with a butterfly. Now, I'll think about the Jones bar due to this discussion.

@fredwells_pnwdad 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing video friend! Very informative and helpful.

@mertsaylam9566 2 жыл бұрын

Such good information and experience given. Thanks for the video. :)

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome :)

@reeceholmes8546 2 жыл бұрын

thanks Peyman, I have been looking forward to this, I might try the Jones bars some day, great stuff

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome! Glad if you find it useful, I would recommend the Jones bar. Let us know how u like it 🙌

@rickwallace3102 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this, I was looking at the Jones H-Bar SG 2.5 Loop., now I'm going to pull the trigger and order them for my ride 😎

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome, Let us know how u like it :)

@Digbysexpot 2 жыл бұрын

I had flat bars on my bike and it was downright painful. The Jones H-bar solved all those problems. I got the Jones handlebar bag that fits in the loop and while it was $65 usd it was worth it.

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear! Thanks for the info about the bag. Might give it try in the future 🙌

@johnbodenchuk514 2 жыл бұрын

I have Jones bars on two of my bikes, one being a Jones Titanium Spaceframe 29-plus. The Carbon bars have a little flex so are more comfortable on bumpy stuff.

@Regantdarcy 2 жыл бұрын

Flat bars all the way for me. I put bar end grips on my flat bars & they give me all the hand positions I need on a tour. I just prefer the upright seating position & control flat bars give me.

@mohamedali5000 5 ай бұрын

Great keep going man 💪

@CogitoErgoSum67 3 ай бұрын

I am starting my bikepacking adventures, good video 👍

@jordsmak282 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Just what i needed. Im sure your experience is worth a lot more than any research. Stay safe man, watch out for the elephants. 👍

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome, glad to hear if it was useful 🙏

@sparkyvespa 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thank you!

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome 😊

@ToniJokinen 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your review. Had to order one Jones H-Bar :)

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome, Hope you enjoy it! Let us know how you like it :)

@brandonbrunious 7 ай бұрын

Nice video. Thank you. 🙏

@carlyntucker5280 3 ай бұрын

Really helpful, having problems with a flat bar bike being comfortable. I’ve got some good info now to act upon. Thanks!

@NomadsTrails 3 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

@michaelbeiyt 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent!

@Dutcharmytent Жыл бұрын

Have subscribed, locals burn the dung as it keeps the mosquitoes away. Just returned from Kenya , and looking at your travel links in this video, you are the go to person for really checking products out. I trust your judgement 100 percent.

@ChrisLoew 2 жыл бұрын

Free bike fit tips. When pedaling you have most strain when pedals are at first 45 degrees of rotation from top center. This also usually lines up with the down tube of the frame is being passed by the pedals. When your pedals are here, your knees should be at 90 degrees where they are the strongest. Lifting your hands from the bars while pedaling and no movement forward or back is a good sign of a proper angle and distance away from the bars for your saddle. About a 5 degree nose down from the saddle nose pointing just below the handlebars. Full extension of pedal stroke with horizontal to ground or flat level should have 10 to 15 degree bend of the knee. +1 for the Jones H bar, my favorite long distance bars.

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic information , Thank you Chris!

@mwe1337 2 жыл бұрын

I have drop bars on my light road bike which I like. But like you when I'm touring flat bars are the way to go. I built myself a touring bike like the ones you suggested in a budget touring bike build from an old ridged mtb and I love it. All the best from Australia 👍

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, Glad to hear the Budget bike video was useful, when it comes to the handlebar, indeed also it is a personal choice. but there is maybe couple of people i know who didn't like the Jones bar. Also if you know how to weld Aluminium you can build yourself a fun Handlebar. off-course also you can build it from steel like Surly Moloko bar. :)

@mwe1337 2 жыл бұрын

@@NomadsTrails great advice and thanks for your kind reply. Take good care. I hope you come out to Australia one day. It's a bike touring paradise. Take care my friend.👍

@bruceclark5627 Жыл бұрын

You gotta be shitting me.......55 views and 3 comments? I found you looking to find a way to build a budget tour bike and you two are efing phenomenal! Subbed and following. Thank you for all you guys are doing to create fabulous content.

@puhaloglu Жыл бұрын

Very nice video thank you

@EdgarSiscar 2 ай бұрын

I am using the Sagmit version of the Jones H Bar. Very comfortable maneuverability.

@migzoili7571 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for giving us a good tips in buying a handlebar fo bike touring purpose, see you again bro.

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome!

@charlesriley23 2 жыл бұрын

Been waiting for this video content since you mentioned it was in the works. You did a bang up job answering the questions I had and more. I'm guessing the Jones bar would come in handy when dodging elephant dung among other things? Matilda will be happy to hear I too had to replace my loud orange crocs as my dog ended that fashon statement. Best wishes!

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Charles :), Crocs are the best, please take care of them 😂

@richardeblantonii5893 8 ай бұрын

Nice talk about handlebars. I use the Durham bars designed by Ali at Cyclingabout. I like the special effects with the Elephant Dung.

@jonfrance7201 8 ай бұрын

Me too. Koga Denham bars,

@devondyreson 2 жыл бұрын

Adding to your explanation on the natural way your hand position is: I was told ‘think about the way pick up and carry a bucket. Your hands will be more comfortable in that orientation.’

@todo_llano7154 2 жыл бұрын

Good video. Thanks 😃🌍🙋‍♂️

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

most welcome :)

@ina_bauble8220 2 жыл бұрын

Good to see u after long gap mr peyment (life is good ❤️)

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, we are always here, just it takes a lots of time to record and edit the videos 😊

@arasheqajar 9 ай бұрын

Great video dadash

@johnarnst8312 Жыл бұрын

Stem length is a crucial combining factor in comfort with handlebar, even with these touring bars. I have Butterfly, Surly Moloko, Jones Loop, VO Crazy bars, and I still prefer Butterfly bars. That said I think there is a lot of room for more touring bars to enter the market. I think the market needs a tapered H shape with just the right amount of curve and rise, with 22.2 for MTB components and reamed ends for aero brake levers. I have a design but need to find a fabricator for the idea I have in mind.

@nickwf70 2 жыл бұрын

thanks, I have been looking at these and the surlys. Good advice. Definitely don't want drops with a heavy front end or off road, too much strain on wrists and forearms.

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Most welcome, I hope you like the bar if you get it :)

@juliapoelstra3624 2 жыл бұрын

I put the Jones bar on my commuter bike and it's great. I totally agree with you. I have a gravel/bikepacking Salsa Fargo with drop bars that I want to convert to the Surly moloko bar. I am hopeful it's as good as the Jones.

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, Let us know how you like the Surly Moloko bars, i really like the those 2 bull horn or bar ends on the Moloko. i think it can be very comfy and fun bar. :)

@erikjohnson6484 2 жыл бұрын

@@NomadsTrails My Surly Troll came with Moloko bars. At first I thought to convert it to drop bar. Few miles in and ended up really liking them! Defiantly keeping them.

@brokenspine66 6 ай бұрын

Few month back I replaced my MTB flat bar with 12° sweep and Ergon GP5 which I used for a long time on my touring bike for a Jones Style loop bar w/ Ergon GP1 and it is the best + most comfortable bar I ever used so far. I used a Surly Open Bar w/ Ergon GP1 as well on a single speed urban ride before for years until the bike was stolen at an break in, the Surly was OK but a Jones Style bar (not the very pricy original) is my favoured so far.

@juancommuterindavao 2 жыл бұрын

I also use loopbar. cut shorter than recommended, with ergon grips.

@omare_biketonature 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers from Panama! I’m on tour now riding a bike that is not really suited for touring, a lot of numbness in my hands! After 2,500 I know what I need for South America! I’ll try the jones H bar next.

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, please take care of ur bike fit. You don't want to hurt your body specially knee, back and wrists. Have safe trip! 🙌😊

@ganeshverma7111 Жыл бұрын

Keep growing

@paulverweij6348 2 жыл бұрын

rohloff hub work with dropbar shifters.... I have Sram shifters with my Rohloff hub. only minor drawback is that you cant see what gear Im in

@NorthSea-xb7jk Ай бұрын

u could also try handelabr suspension ) but not sure how it will work with front bags

@northdiver62 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Is it the Riverside 920 shown as example for drop bars?

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yes indeed :)

@Hootyhoo-jq9vq 2 жыл бұрын

Sending love ❤️ to you!

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

❤

@homeandtravel7235 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting video, can you do one about the saddle, looks like you use a leather saddle on your bike.

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, indeed it is on my list for the future videos 🙌

@SolarizeYourLife Жыл бұрын

My next bike will have a Jones bar... It actually comes with a flat or a raised bar version...

@PRH123 7 ай бұрын

Satori have a range of swept bars, ~10 models, all light aluminum and very well made, and cost much less than Jones etal...

@trickystravels 2 жыл бұрын

I’m looking at the Denham bars. Had normal flat bars but the swept back angle I think would be more relaxed

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know those bars. Definitely the swept back angle is relaxed and fun to cycle 😊

@robinmacandrew103 Жыл бұрын

How have you got on with them? I love them

@philiprayner1772 2 жыл бұрын

would cruiser bike handle bars be good ?

@mariconor242 2 жыл бұрын

I'm cycling from Dublin to Italy in June and cannot decide on my flat bar bike or my drop bar... One major advantage of the drops is the aero position, so I can cover more distance in the same time/effort. I have to do an average of 150km per day (some days shorter and others longer), and while I agree on the back ache you can get on drops, you can also add aero bars to provide a different position - the same can be said for flat bars too though. I can see my self packing both bikes and doing lots of humming and hawing till the last minute :)

@carlosvan21 Жыл бұрын

Which did you choose.... I'm planning a co kerry trip this year to only Wales and back so not as far but I have same decision to make ....I already own panier bags for flat bar bike .... but road bike doesn't have eye holes for panier. Would be interested how you got on :) 😀

@mariconor242 Жыл бұрын

@@carlosvan21 Went with the drop bars with aero bars added, then got a "cyclite" bag to strap to the aero bars which worked extremely well. Only needed a 10L tailbag and a small top tube bag for phone/snacks. This year I'll likely take the same setup again as it all worked so well. Kerry to Wales sounds great, enjoy it!

@sunildingankar8657 Ай бұрын

I have got Jones H loop bar. But I have my cork grips. Can I fit those on this bar or you need only the long grips provided by Jones only?

@gideonvaneeden2681 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Peyman. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I noticed your saddle is tilted slightly forward. Any particular reason for that?

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Hi most welcome, i got some small injury that is the reason for the saddle :)

@rolandscutchings3195 2 жыл бұрын

I have the Jones h-bar for several years now and love them. I have added a pair of old school dewey bars (bar ends) to the top loop of the h-bar. This helps when I want to get into a more aero position. Peyman, let me know if you are interested and I'll send you a picture. I think you could place them in a position where they shouldn't impact your handlebar bags.

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear, I indeed those barends can be super useful. I think I know which bar ends u r taking about 🙌

@somethingreal5042 2 жыл бұрын

😎

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Peyman, the drop bars presented in the video have some really weird angles (well at least for me). Can You clarify why?. As long as drop bars are aligned correctly with the upwards geometry of the bike I find them super comfy. Regards.

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, yes you are right. Those have wide flare and the reason is because wide flare gives better control on the gravel roads. Regarding being comfy, as I mentioned in the video it is a personal choice totally so something I like someone else might not 😊

@outdoorsman1140 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting to note that your most comfortable positions mean that your shoulders rotate outwards, giving you a better posture, i.e. not rounded shoulders, which would be bad, particularly if hunching over the handlebars too for hours at a time, which would put your spine in very poor alignment.

@tiny.tinnet5075 Жыл бұрын

Could you get a little more into detail what you mean by that? Outward routating shoulders is the same as rounded shoulders from my understanding 🤔

@outdoorsman1140 Жыл бұрын

@@tiny.tinnet5075 Riding a bike can be a bit like sitting hunched over a laptop all day. The upper back and neck are hunched forwards (resulting in a hunchback posture. Plus if the hands, arms and shoulders rotate inwards for prolonged periods of time the problems can be made much worse. Anything that will help to reduce this will help including a more upright posture and if the handlebars curve round (like the ones in the video) so that the shoulders rotate outwards instead of inwards, this can only help to prevent shoulder problems.

@tiny.tinnet5075 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, totally get that/ know from experience. Got where the misunderstanding comes from, you're all talking about the front side of the body shoulders looping inward and outward 🤦😂 in my head I was looking at the shoulders from the backside all the time, that's what got me confused 🤗😇✌️

@Bunny-Power 2 жыл бұрын

I already cut my handlebar three times, but it's still too short 😂😂 Maybe one day I will try the Jones bar, but it might feel too short on my fat bike. Thanks for the video

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Hi most welcome, let us know how u like it if u try. i guess also you might be able to test it out in some bike shop before ordering it :)

@Bunny-Power 2 жыл бұрын

@@NomadsTrails That is so wrong. I would test it out at a bike shop before I buy it AT THAT BIKE SHOP!

@rhenalumactod120 7 ай бұрын

For all handle itry the is loop bar

@jsiedlecki5331 2 жыл бұрын

Hi. Does using the jones bar alter the frame size that you need? I would usually have a large frame with standard bars. Best wishes for all your future adventures 🙂👍🚴

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Definitely frame geometry have an effect on the handlebar will fit on your bike and how comfortable it is. Frame designed for dropbar has different geometry than the frame designed for flat bars. But also you can play around this a bit, with for example the steam size.Jones suggest to have a short stem with H Bar. I definatly would suggest to go for a proper bike fit. You don't want to hurt ur body, especially joints. Thank you 🙌

@flatheadfletch Жыл бұрын

Frame size depends primarily off of inseam and reach. Weather your choosing a bike for nimbleness or racing or touring. You won’t use one frame size fits all types. Wheel toe strikes, long or short chain stays. Your jones bar just gives you better wrist angles for long hours in the saddle, the ability to put the upper body weight in the saddle vs in the hands. It simply allows more comfort on a touring setup. If it’s a climbing bike your putting it on like for lots of single track, it’s not a good choice as you loose power or strength to hold true n straight. It takes away shoulder strength from your bars. Zero effect on frame size !

@jag1870 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video. You're funny man. "I had so much fun...This handle bar has made that fun more fun". Then you pick up two elephant turds. LOL! Great video and much appreciated!

@eliotttownsend3828 3 ай бұрын

Is there big Cats where you're at that you have to be aware of?

@marksadventures3889 2 жыл бұрын

I have butterfly bars and swept back bars and ape hangers, slung down and swept back bars. How do you get by in countries that are unstable politically? Big cats a d other wildlife in Africa- How do you stay off the menu? Stay safe

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, No any plitical issue on the countries I am cycling. Well right now I am literally having lions next to my tent couple of times a week. Usually inside the tent u r safe. But there is always sone acceptions specially with young lions which can be curious. 😊

@juliapoelstra3624 2 жыл бұрын

Oh my! Yes, please stay safe.

@kadarebhi2696 2 жыл бұрын

🌺♥️👍👍👍

@fooddeliveryboy6806 2 жыл бұрын

,😍😍😍😍😍😍❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

@IS-xk3iq 10 ай бұрын

A Denham Bar maybe better.

@peterulicky6560 2 жыл бұрын

👍🥃🇸🇰

@pierrrejette9023 2 жыл бұрын

Tail wind....

@fa7842 2 жыл бұрын

He is on a wild spot alone? What is about the predators there.

@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, Big cats don't move around during day time and at night they don't come to the tent ( usually). But it is life and there is risk in life. i don't like to be worry about everything in life. :)

@fa7842 2 жыл бұрын

@@NomadsTrails Okay I understand and it's good to know that the predators don't come into the tent at night (usually..) Still, when I'm there, I'll buy a Kalashnikov from a local rebel. Just for mental support