Non-Pacifist Run: Beating Riot's Anti-Stalling Mechanic by ... Failing? Trust Fund Ekko Gameplay

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@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

I’ve had about 5 virtue signallers that projected their own thoughts about the previous title and I’m just going to change the title about this video game gameplay to something that won’t get nitpicked by literally 5 people out of 80 thousand so I can avoid a 6th. to be fair - i did actually try to stall. my opponents just didnt let me.

@erazemmedved6508 Ай бұрын

ekko gamble, ekko lose, ekko rewind time, ekko win

@YouLose Ай бұрын

Backseat Youtubing, but does anyone else feel like he'd hit a wider audience "Genocidal Run" instead of "Genocide Run"?

@tristanmedved4447 Ай бұрын

@@erazemmedved6508 THATS SO SMART ACTUALLY

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

@@YouLose i dont care. i was playing off of the previous viral ekko video months back titled "pacifist run" as a reference to numerous games like undertale. undertale in particular has a "genocide run" that i think people would feel really smart if they picked up on it. leave breadcrumbs for people while also describing what we did here accurately.

@zankaa8031 Ай бұрын

@@YouLose why tho, like can you explain your reasoning lol, it's literally a difference of two characters. I really doubt the algorithm cares that much

@sharmuuu Ай бұрын

Garen players crying is one of the reasons to live.

@raulbrenes778 Ай бұрын

That is not a garen player. That is a garen arena abuser. I'm almost sure that guy has never touched garen in SR, same as almost all garen arena abusers 😂

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

@@raulbrenes778 the only weakness garen has in arena is that people dont actually play him lmao

@moblietpwt688 Ай бұрын

I would be the happiest person alive if i could play a SINGLE arena match without Garen@@KingNidhogg

@NihilsDem1se Ай бұрын

@@moblietpwt688 good thing you can ban him

@moblietpwt688 Ай бұрын

@@NihilsDem1se Sadly, you can only ban one champion. Garen is annoying and everyone uses him with the same build every time, but not the most op thing in this mode

@nicjuzniemasensu4465 Ай бұрын

"that's gay" -garen player in arena

@M0th3ater Ай бұрын

I recently ran into a neat interaction, Singed W will trigger Cruelty’s comet. I presume because grounded is treated as hard cc, maybe something cool can be done with that

@Mt-kv8bh Ай бұрын

what

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

I saw this on pbe but I won’t touch that toxic ass champ

@cancelery6224 Ай бұрын

@@KingNidhogg cass also have a grounded ability, maybe try with her?

@RegahP Ай бұрын

@@KingNidhogg pun intended?

@The_King_Basi Ай бұрын

@@cancelery6224there was a bug where if you ran both of them you could perma send new comets down by flipping onto cassio w it was funny asf with orbital Laser

@sockket6821 Ай бұрын

great explanations on the char mechanic, thats really sick I never knew that was a thing

@duyo1310 Ай бұрын

Gambler's value goes crazy at 13:48. Makes me wonder how a stat shard run + gambler would go given the perfect situation.

@ANTHONYEVELYNN Ай бұрын

i tried it 10 times. 9/10 times was a hard lose because you can never cash out (you are down items AND a prismatic). but that one time i got it to work somehow... i was killing people in 3 auto attacks while having 500 armor and magic resist, it was nuts

@oteylawlor1297 Ай бұрын

@@ANTHONYEVELYNN yeah would go crazy even with like an urfs spatula if u manage to get the takedowns

@ouroborosthedragongod552 Ай бұрын

works well if you put a twist on it... well, the twist being that you are full build 2 rounds in and buy stat shards after.. had a swain game where i rolled gamba blade and at the end of it, i had close to 50 anvils, pretty gay as garen would say

@erikthorn5977 Ай бұрын

Walmart Sephiroth caught me off guard

@mahanabbasian7993 Ай бұрын

by far the best arena content creator

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

thank you

@dumbinternetbird Ай бұрын

agreed

@mmmboj4714 Ай бұрын

also the cringiest

@markobosnjakovic4952 Ай бұрын

@@mmmboj4714 how ironic is it that this guy is getting called cringe when people get dopamine from picking garen

@TrungLe-wu4mx Ай бұрын

@@mmmboj4714doesn’t hurt to be nice..

@DanishBassBoost Ай бұрын

This is also a great example of why Riot NEEDS to rework the Combo Breaker mechanic. It is WAY too unreliable. Many times you get constantly cc'd by just enough for it to feel like permanent, but not enough to fulfill the "unable to act 5 seconds out of the last 7 seconds" requirement. This and then when you actually acquire Combo Breaker, it just expires and then you're just cc'd permanently again. That is if you can even survive. They should really make the requirement more reliable (and less time cc'd required, sometimes you're just dead within 7 seconds even as a tank) but most importantly (imo, at least) make Combo Breaker refresh its 3s duration everytime you're hit by cc while under Combo Breaker. This way teams can't just rely on killing through cc and are forced to waiting for it to wear off before using another cc ability.

@RegahP Ай бұрын

last night i thought of a good mechanic- instances of back to back cc (you can be free between the ccs, it's just a small window) stack to reach a treshhold, say 4 seconds, but instances of cc that has already given a stack will give more stacks, so you get combo break faster if youre, getting cced by leona q e, or morgana q, or briar q (i have literally been cced by 9 seconds against briar with mirage blade + mystic punch, auto q auto q auto q) it just triggers the combo break faster because it's instances of the same cc rather than a cc chain of a champ's two ccs, and say the other champ's 1 big cc or something, that's just cc for you, but the same one and its actually unplayable. morgana with ONE augment, bread and butter, and it breaks the game instantly.

@gsus4751 Ай бұрын

If they do that all the leonas would disappear Which is good

@enigma4941 Ай бұрын

I faced a Morgana that had skilled sniper It didn't go well

@nekaomi4251 Ай бұрын

ekko abuses combo breaker really well because his CC spell is a huge aoe skillshot that has a relatively low CD. the aoe and the spell being a skillshot allows ekko to be able to constantly manipulate the position of the spell to adjust alongside the new position of the targets during the downtimes of the spell. otherwise, combo breaker works just fine, ekko is the only exception (and maybe leona to an extent) but on everybody else it works perfectly fine.

@Xenochetemist Ай бұрын

Totally cc immunity for a short time is not reliable. But give them to much time and it'll be broken. I think they should make a "combo breaker" buff, which grant a spell shield every 2-3 second. This way there will be room to wiggle, and still not be overpowered. Maybe not entirely a spell shield, just cc' shield of course.

@Yuyuko_Fumo Ай бұрын

Calcharo jumpscare

@Yuyuko_Fumo Ай бұрын

Algorithm

@thinkangadgets3041 Ай бұрын

Wuthering jumpscare

@angellopez5315 Ай бұрын

Great to see an Ekko vid, I love that champ so much 😂

@pricklyprickle Ай бұрын

I love the wuthering waves Cal-char-o reference 😅

@ClanWarrior Ай бұрын

seeing this live was amazing, tuning in for the first stream ever that i managed to catch and this master peace of a game happen was insane, i even was typing, getting cruelt would be insane cuz of the mystic punch, and it appears right after i say it xD

@skelto1019 Ай бұрын

did NOT expect calcharro to pop up on my screen i had to rewind 5 different times LMAO

@nuwenese Ай бұрын

The Gunbound music is always so nostalgic

@not_dashstar Ай бұрын

HELL YEAH, i've been waiting for you to play for... stall? wait... what?

@DillonChichester Ай бұрын

2:50 it’s thoughts and plays like this that really show much how depth this game can have. The fact you are preparing ahead of time for the Morde ult dropping yuumi really makes me realize how much thought goes into high level play

@rexnohxc8776 Ай бұрын

Lmfao I love the Calcharo cameo 😂

@greenad1993 Ай бұрын

I didn't even know this was a mechanic, ty

@nomanrengar2208 26 күн бұрын

I got say King Nidhogg, I'm so happy that you got to play Arena again.

@skywalkerjohn8965 Ай бұрын

I never paid attention to char stack lol. Is there a cd on it? I don't think it a good thing if you just step out for 1 second is enough for a stack. Like the situation where enemy can force you out of it, that just further hindered you even though you aren't stalling.

@Yzurra Ай бұрын

hold up that charmander image in the beginning actually made me playback

@kamilmcki8631 Ай бұрын

Its so nice to watch your videos every day, also does mystic punch reduce the cooldown of something like ok boomerang?

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

@TrungLe-wu4mx Ай бұрын

any chance you can make a video that goes over your top fun picks in arena? i am getting back into the game and would like to try these combos with some friends

@Loolstar97 Ай бұрын

LMAO the wuthering waves char reference

@stkouts Ай бұрын

Do you get stack of char by just touching the circle?

@Kamiioznes Ай бұрын

all these gunbound and ragnarok online BGM. love it

@J.E.K. Ай бұрын

good to see you figured out a title lmao

@NXE212 Ай бұрын

Unironically the best Arena title you have written, even my "orphan warfare" void grubs Teemo can't beat that

@justheretolisten8843 Ай бұрын

Been viewing your content for a while and enjoy the theory crafting that goes into your builds. I don't comment much really ever, but thought I'd drop this idea here and see what you think: Warwick with Angels Retribution / Holy Fire. Take Moonstone and Sword of Blossoming Dawn. Just the foundation of an idea I thought I'd drop off to you.

@lngun Ай бұрын

We call this econ cheese. That last buy holy crap. Now I kinda want to see how many anvils you can get with gamblers blade. Can we get a record breaking anvil attempt? (I have no idea what the current record is, I'm assuming 40+ is pretty hard to do)

@DanielDTUBWeinberger Ай бұрын

Literally banked on that first round of gamblers blade showing them the moves. I love watching these because you could play 5 games and not get what you want, also these aren't busted as had some close rounds. Just strong.

@keaganrice8656 Ай бұрын

I'm curious what your opinion on the mini events, cause literally every event except I guess Thresh is a lot better when your team has CC, and CC comps are already pretty strong. Is it a skill issue, or am I right in calling Riot funny names whenever I have to deal with one of the events?

@faloughasch9239 Ай бұрын

That moment when you take augments to stall and NOT do damage, but end up just winning through fighting anyway

@ameteur9713 Ай бұрын

what are the best champions to pick just curious about your answer

@duckthuglife Ай бұрын

Gamblers blade on singed is pretty fun ngl.

@Mirandaverso Ай бұрын

this gunbound soundtrack is insane

@gb-1uy3h108g Ай бұрын

A restart + fully automated build would be pretty cool

@Wateryy Ай бұрын

I like your content, very pog

@Quantumform Ай бұрын

The man is simply unpunishable

@MrMegazwerg Ай бұрын

Your Videos are beyond crazy 😂😂

@alexguan926 Ай бұрын

Hey nidhogg, I have been trying to get the fully automated combo for so long, I always am one hp or have one last augment to hit but I can't seem to. How do you have the will to keep playing when you are getting edged by the augments

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

feelsbad bro

@masterlex6741 Ай бұрын

Ap kogmaw with decapitator and augments would prob be magic missile. Another one you could prob go with ethereal weapons and go runecarver magic missile sniping them from the map

@Sk-hq9dz Ай бұрын

Have you tried rune carver on hit Katarina?

@lokehauge8851 Ай бұрын

Please add By my sword to the list of augments that change center of the universe range.

@son11ka1 Ай бұрын

dude the backgroud song is from game called gunbound no?

@cashmoney3801 Ай бұрын

Does shield of molten stone block zone dmg?

@quangvasot Ай бұрын

gunbound bgm goes hard

@Xenochetemist Ай бұрын

@Dracon350 Ай бұрын

just take smite's idea of diminishing returns. consecutive applications of CC cause further applications to last shorter and shorter, boom. problem fixed.

@ImiSubxero Ай бұрын

try on hit leona w darksteel, wits, rageblade/kraken, hatchet hatchet and the attack speed are kinda needed in my experience for the sustain unless you get something crazy like courage as an augment im sure you can improve on this build and find niche things id love to see this is my fav thing to play atm its like yi but instead of being untargetable theyre just stunned and you have more inherent tankiness but over just a p flexible pick thats fun imo

@pascalbrutal8061 Ай бұрын

I think hemomancer helm also works in storm, it heals for the true dmg ennemies take.

@p4nico20 Ай бұрын

the gunbound bgm 😭😭😭

@arisufizu5698 Ай бұрын

Will you do some WuWa Gameplay?

@peterkatulin8399 Ай бұрын

I wonder, for a video idea. could Circle of Death (healing you do deals 70% of the damage to the nearest enemy) work with Evelynn's passive? The idea would be to just nearly die, ult to accelerate passive CD, then kill enemies by just healing while invisible. I think the CoD damage might get me out of stealth thus ending the heal on first tick but i have yet to test this interaction

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

haha we actually did mention this during a mundo/evelynn game.

@LOUDKiDx Ай бұрын

wouldnt you also just be able to use demonic embrace to constantly get you lower hp and heal it back instantly?

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

yes

@Gragasu1 Ай бұрын

Wait do dragonheart give you different number of souls based on How many rounds it’s been?

@jonasbrob 25 күн бұрын

Why would you want force of entropy over elise miracle if you perma stun anyway

@KosibaZso Ай бұрын

this dude is skilled so much, that when i got oneshotted with any champ, this dude could live full health easily only wiht his smooth plays.

@pesky2119 Ай бұрын

Really interesting way to balancenstalling in arena while making it a viable strat

@bigbowl4935 26 күн бұрын

3:00 damn this counterplay, it looks so silly but its unpossible to counter his counter

@bllllllllackbirdie Ай бұрын

I would add an augment where the more money you have the more damage you do.

@sussybanana-iv5tn Ай бұрын

dude shaco ult makes centre stop working LOL

@TacticianAmelia Ай бұрын

it's my favorite thing seeing weird strategies get flamed by people playing the busted champs had a morde flame me because i got vulnerability and chain lightning on naafiri a while ago

@alsinir8766 Ай бұрын

Would it be possible to stall an arena game forever if you had a 4 man premade and got enough AS with mystic punch and accelerating sorcery on kayle/kindred/any other chanp with invul even outside of the circle with their abilities? That might be a funny proof of concept idea to try. Get these augments, get into top 2 spots and stall a round forever

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

no the game just kills both at a certain point. we figured that out last time

@tricky399 Ай бұрын

I am pretty sure that Garen was sweating for the Gauntlet but you said "nah, 2ez"

@shandlerbarbosa2353 Ай бұрын

Im amazed by how nidhogg quite literally got the best augments and items to build the strongest ekko ever, but still went for the challenge of the video, impressive

@entrr2482 Ай бұрын

Garen players crying feels better than anything i swear

@pooyasalehi5677 Ай бұрын

you need to try belveth builds. as the fastest attacking champ in the game she has so much potential for op builds a few examples are:tap dancer with anvil strat(the move speed% makes u scale faster) the gold augment that makes u do infinite stacking dot damage - hamstringer (they made belveth e be able to crit a while back and it hits enemies about 20 times within 2 seconds) and marksmage is also very op

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

already have

@KaloKross Ай бұрын

KingNidhogg is power creeping.

@captainchelu Ай бұрын

Never punished, praise RNGSUS!!!

@Sasvegas 19 күн бұрын

how do you always have prismatics in every video, my games i rarely get them

@ArzOnaute Ай бұрын

Hello Nidhogg, my favourite champ is akali but sadly i've been unable to make her work in arena. Could you use your very large brain to find a way for her to be playable ? Not necessarily broken, because I dont think it exists, but somewhat good would be enough

@cowardley Ай бұрын

she can easily be broken, allow me

@mafoskrrt4610 Ай бұрын

tried doing the same with all prismatics, even got spatula in-slot but the only thing that stopped me was Koi Pond with sett in the middle of it and morgana with circle of death sanguine combo just perma damaging us and preventing from doing anything and everything, so skill expressive this map...

@elpachanga Ай бұрын

you don't have to sell an item to buy the prismatic anvil when your inventory is full, it stores it until you sell something

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

im aware, but im also 100% going to use it anyway so no point holding the boots

@gauthier. Ай бұрын

That's what is called a stalemate

@hakujona Ай бұрын

3:40 can you tell me the background music? it reminds me of a VN i played looong time ago..

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

gunbound ost

@Flimmertje Ай бұрын

Which server you play on?

@ryanj6514 Ай бұрын

Tbh this change completely killed my play style for arena i would go tank nunu and heal through storm damage with my q's but now its just impossible to play that way, it kinda just makes going nunu pointless

@fartnugget6527 Ай бұрын

yay more kingnidhogg content

@dacnomania819 Ай бұрын

THIS MAN NEEDS TO TRY MORDE WITH CHAUFEUR!! Its a funny interaction when you ult. Force the 2v1 with high mobi champs!

@enigma4941 Ай бұрын

Mission failed successfully

@jpoggi9081 Ай бұрын

Stalling for their safety

@josephlater1558 Ай бұрын

I need to stop missing streams

@CaiZhe 5 күн бұрын

Anybody noticing the gunbound soundtrack?

@thxcomputer Ай бұрын

very interesting title

@user-zt3vi8ot1k Ай бұрын

how do you even figure out this?

@TheJackMouse Ай бұрын

I didn't even know char existed, just like I didn't even know Shardholder's or Fully Automated existed. This is why Nidhogg is our greatest arena scientist and every discovery is a treat. Also, some tiny findings from one lesser cheese arena experimenter to the master: - I got Parasitic Relationship on Nilah with a Master Yi for a partner. Somehow, while the Master Yi was in his W, it healed me and I healed him? No idea how that interaction works. - Runecarver Bard is very funny, since it seems his meeps count as a spell for the purposes of charging it. I still haven't gotten fulmunation runecarver bard, but I'm so hyped for it. - Going into Double Bailout because of Mystic Punch/Moonflair Spellblade on Renata will give you the third life, but will also double the decay making it mostly useless. - Raid Boss: Can be chauffered away, Can go invisible if Teemo/Hold Very Still - Each wave of Chauffered Miss Fortune's Ultimate can be redirected mid cast to point in whichever direction the 'driver' wants - Draw Your Sword Aphelios, who lands his Sniper Q, is bullshit. - Milio + Angel of Retribution + Moonstone + Echos of Helia + Sword of Blossoming Dawn = Broken And questions I'm still figuring out: - Does Yone's Passive stack with Arena's passive for going over max Crit? - Can rolling the normally useless mana regen on talisman be broken with dawncore? - Summoner's Roulette Zoe? - Wisdom Of Ages + Rod of Ages + Level Scaling Abilities (Tristana Passive, etc.) = Scalings going beyond their normal maximum like going level 30 in Urf?

@antibehroz7304 Ай бұрын

for yi nilah, nilah gives nearby allies bonus healing and shielding power and whenever she boosts an allies healing she also heals for the bonus healing (for example, nilah enhances a teammates heal from 100 to 115, nilah also heals herself for 15)

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

thats just nilahs passive

@DomukasTaps1271 Ай бұрын

I liked the part where you stall

@ceritrus Ай бұрын

There's a weird interaction between Ornn's ultimate and the fey magic (ult = polymorph) augment which causes Ornn's first ult to deal excessive amounts of damage, I recommend you check that out it's pretty insane

@KingNidhogg Ай бұрын

yeah we found out during pyke runs

@tminusboom2140 Ай бұрын

Replace combo breaker with "Every second you're under the effects of a crowd control (other than slow) gain 8% tenacity, stacking additively. Every second you're not under the effects of a crowd control (other than slow) lose 1 stack of this effect." Because it's based on time *Under* the CC effect, it's scaling rate would drop through its own effect. It being additive also means there's still value in having a higher %tenacity to start with.