+BeTheFirst I was one of those visual students who loved problem solving ;) I rocked the tests. Later on i got to be a teacher and realized how important are the different styles of learning and thinking. Every kid has areas of brilliance, and every kid has some things that are just hard. Sometimes all it takes is one experience or one person like your professor to open up a new world!

Haebichan I had it so bad I had the standardized problem with regular tests. Often I got 60-70s on tests in third grade and in 4th I passed 6th grade math!

dreamcatcherr2002 you god damn right omg, I have a bachelor degree in CS too, I felt all of these questions create to trick me. Very frustrating back when I was in highsschool

Make a giant engineering machine. >:D

Katie Wells tru omg

I'm halfway through, and now I'm imagining a friendly little snowman talking 😋😂 If you just listen to the audio, you'll totally start to visualize Olaf!

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I've been to university. I had to do an IQ test,I was drugged on oxycontin,valium and the test giver even questioned the fact I had driven to the test location. I did the test that said I was high end average, no consideration given for my condition, and the psych giving the test told me I'd struggle at university.I informed her I had been to uni and her test was crap.My daughter after her biology honours has an academic post, unheard of in Australia, a PHD is usually a minimum. After her academic post she has a PHD scholarship. According to standardised tests she would fail biology.So much for IQ tests.

what college you are in now

Vashti B. Girl I was in the same boat as you. Wound up going to junior college and then got accepted into the very same schools that rejected me 🤷🏽‍♀️.

Your SAT score is a holistic representation of your abilities.

I had it so bad I had the standardized problem with regular tests. Often I got 60-70s on tests in third grade and in 4th I passed 6th grade math!

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Lol. No its amazon's alexa >:)

Jeremy Battle Well I'm not trying to prove I'm creative.

+Jay Young I've known people like that to.

Jay Young I had it so bad I had the standardized problem with regular tests. Often I got 60-70s on tests in third grade and in 4th I passed 6th grade math!

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Perfection is a direction, not a destination.

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+Bruce John Wayne School is about paper work, but that's a problem because life is not. Sure, we have to do some paperwork (a lot depending on the job), but why not teach things that everyone actually needs in life after school? What does a person want in life... be happy, make money, stay out of jail. We should teach happiness, economics, and law.

+N Marbletoe "We should teach happiness, economics, and law." If a person is not at least average in math, he or she will have serious trouble in economics. When it comes to laws, reading and writing helps a lot. I believe that finding happiness and having good support groups after school, as well as basic construction skill, mechanical skills and homemaking skills are up to a child's parents not the school system. A child's parents are also responsible for building virtues (wisdom, honesty, generosity, self reliance, bravery) in their sons and daughters until they are 16 to 18 years old. No parents are perfect, but most parents these days get divorced, have more girlfriends, boyfriends, or remarry. Parents do drugs around there kids too.

+Bruce John Wayne Agree you need math for economics. So i'm saying, teaching math using money = motivation = learning. I learned to add by playing darts, and I got fast at it. Kids should read the law. That would be an excellent way to sharpen the English skills. Some of the laws are written so badly we should flunk the lawmakers, lolm but the Constitution is beautiful English. My basic idea is that learning c = 2 pi r to pass a test is not as good as learning c = 2 pi r to figure out how much wood you need to build your project. I totally dig your comments on happiness, having good support and various skills. Self reliance is a very good thing for happiness. I was thinking of stuff like PE, art, and i think they should teach meditation too. Maybe a strange idea, but it works! I agree the parents are responsible for morals; schools can at best only help.

Life isn't all about paperwork... Also, how can one day in a student's life show their entire potential, compared to the year of life that GPA can show? Think about it.

+Wingsofdawn School can not possibly cover everything in life. School is supposed to specialize in the technicalities of spoken and written language. It is not a schools job to teach everything in life.

Zahra Qureshi I wasn't comparing IQ tests to tryouts per se, but rather was illustrating the silliness of dismissing either because of subsequent success despite having flopped in either. Standardized tests have remarkably proven able to predict a wide variety of outcomes for people regardless of race, socioeconomic background, gender, etc. I say "remarkably" because if standardized tests were ill-suited for this "completely [non]standardized society" you write about, they would have not have the powerfully predictive power they have proven themselves to have again and again. I recommend that you watch another TEDx talk by the industrial psychologist Nathan Kuncel offering an alternative viewpoint to Sternberg's.

Zahra Qureshi I compared dismissing the two for similar reasons; just as it would be illogical to dismiss tryouts because some people performed badly in them and they still succeeded in fields tryouts predict success in, so too it would be illogical to dismiss standardized tests because some people performed badly in them but nevertheless succeeded in fields they predict success in. There was no comparison in terms of content, but in terms of the functions they serve in their respective fields - those functions are not invalidated because of exceptions to the norm. Your contention about why test scores are predictive is erroneous. Test scores predict success in a wide variety of life outcomes even when factors such as education are controlled for. A person's performance on an IQ test, for example, predicts job performance better than a person's educational attainment; thus, a person with a significantly higher IQ score (e.g. 140) is likelier to succeed in a highly complex job than a person whose IQ is significantly lower (e.g. 120), even if the person with the lower IQ score has a four-year degree from Harvard, and the person with a higher IQ score has a two-year degree from his local community college. Similarly, a person with a high IQ score (e.g. 135) who never graduated college is likelier to succeed in a cognitively complex job even if he's from a family of three whose annual income is less than $15,000 than a person with a slightly above average IQ score (e.g. 115) who graduated Harvard who comes from a family of three whose annual income is $200,000. In 2005, the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education published an article that showed that socioeconomic disparities between blacks and whites, for example, cannot account for the test score disparities between the two groups, as whites from families with annual incomes less than $10,000 averaged 10 points higher on the SAT than blacks from families with annual incomes in the $80,000-$100,000 range! >>>There is vast potential in many other types of students who may not function well in our current lacking educational system, but that does not mean that they are just too dumb to do anything of value.

Zahra Qureshi As you suggested, I watched Nikki Aldeli's video. And as expected, it was little more than a volley of platitudes. This is not to say that none of the points she raised were good; some were, but they've been raised many times before. There is nothing in her video that even remotely undermines the usefulness and validity of standardized tests. Also, assailing standardized tests for only measuring what they're designed to measure, that is, cognitive ability and/or scholastic achievement, and nothing else, is like attacking scales for only measuring weight and not body mass index, height, and blood pressure. I am a little alarmed, btw, that you were swayed more by a presentation by a high school student that hinged on anecdotes than a presentation by a field expert that was amply loaded with data accumulated over years. Is that what your education has wrought for your mind?

Zahra Qureshi Even ACTs and SATs; all tests of mental ability tap into g, that is, the general intelligence factor, and as such are more or less tests of general intelligence. That is a terrible reason to devalue the significance of statistics. "Holistic," that is, "look at the whole individual" admissions are also not always accurate either; they can be and are subject to the unjust biases and prejudices of the evaluators. Even grades are not always accurate in reflecting what a student is truly capable of! Standardized tests are the most objective way of evaluating a candidate's potential for successfully coping with college level rigor. Because curricula are not standardized across the country, an admissions representative has no way of knowing whether an "A" in one school is equivalent to an "A" at another school; indeed, an admissions rep has no way of even knowing if an "A" from one teacher is the same as an "A" from another teacher in the same school! One teacher's "A" may be another teacher's "B," or "C,"; one school's "A" may be another's "B," or "C." Would it be fair for a student who produced the same quality of work to get a "C" as another did to get an "A" to be passed over because all the admission rep sees are an "A" and "C" without the work that yielded those letter grades? But a 36 on the ACT means the same thing regardless of where an applicant went to school; if an admissions rep sees a student with some C's, some B's, and a few A's, but with a high test score, and sees another applicant with almost all A's but a low test score, the higher test scoring candidate is no longer at a disadvantage.

Zahra Qureshi Also, since you evidently prefer anecdotal 'evidence' over hard data, here's an anecdote. I was born into a poor Mexican immigrant family whose parents didn't speak English. I never went to any good schools and thus, presumably, missed out on training for improved cognitive ability. Yet I always scored high on mental/scholastic assessments. Here's another anecdote: once upon a time a man from a poor family whose stepfather used to beat him obtained a perfect score on the SAT despite having gone to run-of-the-mill public schools. His name is Chris Langan - who has one of the highest measured IQs of anyone in the United States. I also have a friend whose family, like mine, once relied on welfare to make ends meet. He is also quite intelligent, has scored highly on mental tests, has an extensive vocabulary, and reasons and writes better than your average college grad. In fact I have several such friends. Again, just anecdotal... since you apparently feel anecdotes are just as good as, if not better than, data acquired through painstaking study and research.