Norman Finkelstein, Aaron Maté -- the Gaza "Slave Revolt" -- LIVE ON AVE C

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Can we compare what Hamas did on Oct. 7 to Nat Turner's slave revolt and the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising?
Was this the "Gazan Slave Revolt"?
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Norman Finkelstein, historian and radical leftist icon, and Aaron Maté, of The Grayzone and Useful Idiots, in a provocative discussion about Israel's war on Gaza, the meaning of Hamas' atrocities, the question of genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, and U.S. complicity.
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Table of Contents:
00:00 - The Palestinian cause was doomed, what options did they have?
03:07 - Did Hamas on Oct. 7 serve the cause of the Palestinian people?
03:39 - Hamas committed atrocities: was it worth it?
05:17 - Nat Turner's slave revolt
08:20 - John Brown's insurrection
14:13 - Warsaw Ghetto Uprising
15:14 - Impossible to condemn Hamas (Gaza) for Oct 7
17:11 - Does Hamas represent the people of Gaza?

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@PerceivedREALITY999 8 ай бұрын

“Oppressed people cannot remain oppressed forever. The yearning for freedom eventually manifests itself.”

@Johnconno 8 ай бұрын

Except in Britain.

@r0ydeme088 8 ай бұрын

@@Johnconno Shht let the grown ups talk

@tradergirljam 8 ай бұрын

@@r0ydeme088I'm gonna borrow your post😂😂😂

@r0ydeme088 8 ай бұрын

@@tradergirljam 😄🥳

@vici6091 8 ай бұрын

THIS MAN IS A HERO.....HES NOT A COWARD

@jackohere1878 8 ай бұрын

Anyone thinking he is a coward is completely insane.Even if you totally disagree with him this man has more backbone than 99.99% of the population.

@ArrosticiniVore 2 ай бұрын

Finkelstein appears to have alcohol related brain damage. He talks like the drunken captain of the Exxon Valdez

@esrefcelikcelik8789 8 ай бұрын

Such people like this good hearted man gives hope for peace and justice.

@megavide0 8 ай бұрын

Since October 7 I am beginning to think that by constantly preaching and repeating the narrative of victimization, this bitter man only contributes to locking the Palestinian people into a spiral of frustration, violence and chaos. What did Hamas terror achieve for the people of Palestine? The toxic, abominable Hamas leadership is the greatest obstacle for peace, freedom and prosperity for the entire region. _[And the violent extremists are only empowering questionable hawkish, hardliner power structures that lock them in from the opposing side.]_ Just keep on telling the people that Israel is the problem and they will go on clinging to toxic leaders who will continue to drag them deeper into a violent confrontation that only leads to more and more suffering for everyone in the region.

@hippieswereright 8 ай бұрын

Thanks Aaron and Norman.

@hippieswereright 8 ай бұрын

Thanks to OR Books for hosting this amazing lecture.

@Dziekelama1948 8 ай бұрын

Let’s prove to those who are turning blind eye on Palestinian struggle that the apartheid of Zioni£m is the problem.

@Cameo19 8 ай бұрын

Dr Norman is always on point in this cruel world. #CeaseFireNow

@emmaslyons 8 ай бұрын

This needs to be shared more widely.

@37Dionysos 8 ай бұрын

Like it or not Hamas has changed the entire discussion and moved it into the realm of "we the world simply must change this occupation/apartheid situation once and for all---NOW"

@lawrencetaylor4101 8 ай бұрын

Anyone protesting for a Ceasefire does not have to condemn Hamas, that is not their role. The ones having to condemn their role in the creation and funding of Hamas are Netanyahu and the IOF.

@lookbovine Ай бұрын

Netanyahu refuses to negotiate with H any longer and pretends as if he can negotiate with a dead man in its place so now, 7 months on, we’re at an impasse, and it’s just day after day of diminished but steady killing. H submitted their terms for a ceasefire deal but I just refuses to submit terms and make a counter offer.

@ladigabe2521 8 ай бұрын

I am so grateful for Dr. Finkelstein.

@Johnconno 8 ай бұрын

He's Spartacus!

@marissakeynes2532 8 ай бұрын

Sobering talk which would make anyone who condemns the Palestinians or Hamas to think again. 🇵🇸

@michaelkaplan22b 8 ай бұрын

This is an important analysis. Finkelstein might add Algeria, South Africa and Ireland to his list of historic rebellions.

@faniarethas2716 8 ай бұрын

Also, the Greek revolution against brutal Ottoman Empire which lasted 400 years of slavery, 400 years 😢😢and their fight against fascism (Germany& Italy) from 1940-1945! 🇵🇸🙏

@aimmed7728 8 ай бұрын

@@faniarethas2716and yet the Greeks managed to be able to keep their culture, ancient ruins and their language without a trace of Ottoman Empire influence over 400 yrs of conquest......

@ARolls-dd2zd 8 ай бұрын

@aimmed7728 Yeah that doesn't add up.

@faniarethas2716 8 ай бұрын

@@aimmed7728 My comment has to do what a long occupation can do to people. They become so furious, angry and eager to die for freedom like HMAS. Greece was able to get free by his heroes but also had a lot of help from Russia, France and Britain which help we still pay for. Also, if they still got their culture and language, it is because of Greek diaspora who came and taught the language, build schools, etc. However, just because we liberated with almost a destroyed country, that does not mean we forget. Many other countries were liberated from colonies and because are “free” and remember the slaughters, the stand for freedom and Justice! I stand for Palestine my friend and for Sudan, Armenia, Yemen and so many people who suffer. Mikis lTheodorakis was asked by Yassar Arafat in 1980, το write a song for Palestine and wanted to use as a National anthem when Palestine will be libatated🙏! PS. They were 400 hundred years of slavery and they took the territory 100 years back( maybe more) on civilization when the whole Europe was experienced Renaissance period. I am and Greek people (except puppet government) are for Palestine! 🇵🇸❤️

@faniarethas2716 8 ай бұрын

@@aimmed7728 I was adding to historic revolutions and I’m sure there are more. The countries that you mentioned, Algeria, South Africa and Ireland are also free and kept their language, culture and faith. And no, Greece had some influence from the Ottoman Empire😢! Sorry, I forgot to mention the liberation of the Balkans and Middle East countries from the Ottomans! 🙏

@shahlaahy4372 8 ай бұрын

You're revealing horrendous acts of humanity, yet as impossible to believe, such violence remains in the name of inexplicable grounds...it's a sickness...how are we to heal humanity for once and for all!!😢😢

@joseirizarry617 8 ай бұрын

Vive Palestine 🇵🇸 Libre 🇵🇷

@jeanvocalist 8 ай бұрын

Great love and respect for Mr Finkelstein ❤

@grrr.9998 8 ай бұрын

I could listen to Norman all day, so I do listen to Noran all day.

@OneBlurryLens 8 ай бұрын

What are the chances of the MS NBC prime news programs inviting Professor Finkelstein to talk about this in length and in detail?

@mariesc5996 8 ай бұрын

I have completely stopped watching both MSNBC and CNN. I stopped reading NYT a while back, not even doing their little word game. Same with Wapost... so I am left with watching various YT channels and I must say, I feel much better informed. Still a sad state of affairs. Onky good thing, many, many people I talk to are alot more educated in the history of the region going back to 1948 and before..

@marissakeynes2532 8 ай бұрын

@@mariesc5996 Yeah I too stopped watching mainstream legacy media & rely on independent journalists for the news and Al Jazeera.

@jonceleste4008 8 ай бұрын

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@stompthedragon4010 7 ай бұрын

@@mariesc5996for what? So they brainwashed could hoot and holler?

@mookfarooq 8 ай бұрын

Excellent

@samdarius3305 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing

@marcseghatol6583 8 ай бұрын

Brilliant

@jeanvocalist 8 ай бұрын

#SaveGaza #FreePalestine #CeasefireNow

@Ben55583 8 ай бұрын

Thank you, Norman, for putting the situation in Gaza in the correct perspective.

@PixelProlo 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing✨👨‍🎨🎨👍🏻✨

@amareto5772 8 ай бұрын

Prison is way better because you know when are you going to be out; you will get a meal, healthcare..

@BMB777 8 ай бұрын

and mostly you have committed a crime and have been convicted by a tribunal .

@pr00de 7 ай бұрын

Except they'd never be released from Gaza.

@sunkhirous 8 ай бұрын

What good came of for me was , Woke me up to recognize evil of Israel government

@tikrit3160 8 ай бұрын

Where's the full video?

@lililac04 8 ай бұрын

rude interviewer, let the man speak

@mitakoda1 8 ай бұрын

❤️

@user-ej5wd4wr8w 8 ай бұрын

Thinking about it, as a israeli who has embrace Hindu teachings (Sanatan Dharma), not only, I a not the only one, in the israelí camp, but includes many palestinians also. But, needless to say, they have been "descourage" by their comunities (if you know what I mean). So, what future would I have in Palestain? Within Hamas? Yes, I encounter oposition in Israel, but at least I can excersice... You see, Mr. Finkelstain, it is dificult not to fall in maniqueistic views. Hace the origen of y question, in realation to the duty of a human being: there is an all including action that incorporarte all sides?

@Yahoo273 8 ай бұрын

I think people are to busy trying to survive rather than worry about your “what if” I cant believe you talking about this when so many people are being killed! How self centred are you!!

@Billy65438 4 ай бұрын

Free Free Palestine.

@wuteva34 2 ай бұрын

October 6 2023 : Palestinians? Who are they? Today : FREE PALESTINE !! OCTOBER 7 REVOLT A HUGE SUCCESS !!

@awpetersen5909 8 ай бұрын

They areby no means slaves.

@user-ej5wd4wr8w 8 ай бұрын

In a y case, I maintain, according to Veda, that the knowledge regarding the human duty, on the ground, must include a conception that encompass, all sides. Everyone, should be included. And maniquestic conceptions, as presentead by Mr Finkelstein, should be reyectead.

@ariels3372 8 ай бұрын

is this c sqaut? my old home hi nyc its ariel

@ericarbib4183 8 ай бұрын

They were not three, they were 6, it took three days and they were trapped back and brought back to prison, they did not die, it sounds funny to invent a new story that does not exist.

@user-ej5wd4wr8w 8 ай бұрын

I am writing again, because I have being deletead. My original question, to Mr. Finkelstein, was: do you know what your duty is as a human being? After that, I wrote, what is below, "and just happens, in man ways, I agree with you, but beyond that (meaning the current isreli-palestinian confrontation).

@sganet_ 8 ай бұрын

Play at 1.5x speed

@ArrosticiniVore 2 ай бұрын

Finkelstein appears to have alcohol related brain damage. He talks like the drunken captain of the Exxon Valdez

@user-ej5wd4wr8w 8 ай бұрын

Do you, Mr. Finkeldstein, know what your duty is, as a human?...

@ArrosticiniVore 2 ай бұрын

He does not...

@user-ej5wd4wr8w 8 ай бұрын

And, Just happens, in man ways, I agree with you... But beyond that

@BradfordHills 8 ай бұрын

Norman is a very unique thinker, but so slow a talker, I suggest you listen a double speed

@ajdsp 8 ай бұрын

His slow delivery aside, his exposition of history and ability to draw parallels to the present invite thought, which is a good thing. His mind is deep, far reaching and unique. Maybe use the pauses to indulge in actually thinking about what he is saying. this is not the empty fast food most people are used to. This is highly nutritious, protein-laden sustenance,

@BradfordHills 8 ай бұрын

@@ajdsp I've been listening to Norman Finkelstein for many years and I really appreciate him. And I think deeply about what he says. But if you crank him up to two times speed it's closer to the speed at which Glenn Greenwald speaks.

@megavide0 8 ай бұрын

"What were the alternatives?.." // The alternatives to committing a massacre, including rape, torture and the slaughter of little children? I'm gonna have to think about that for a minute...

@paulmicks7097 8 ай бұрын

Gosh the current events in Israel can be a boom in book sales for some people.

@pr00de 7 ай бұрын

I bet you thought that was smart.

@paulmicks7097 7 ай бұрын

no, just truth

@stompthedragon4010 7 ай бұрын

Be great if lots of people got the message

@IsaacMahgerefteh-hr6gx 8 ай бұрын

Norman.read.words.of.God.in.Torah.

@dragonfly1929 4 ай бұрын

😊You cannot take the TORAH,THE TAMUD at the same time ,as well as the BIBLE ,and take it all literally ….😊😊

@ArrosticiniVore 2 ай бұрын

He does not...

@dragonfly1929 4 ай бұрын

Norman Finkelstein know the truth of historical facts ..❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

@lookbovine Ай бұрын

3:43 Bomb shelters in Israel work against the smaller and even self-made rockets Palestinians shoot but would not work the other way around for Palestinians against the U.S. bombs the Israelis are equipped with that knock out the sewage system. Bomb shelters would not help Gazans.

@georgeh8937 8 ай бұрын

oh norm. your testimony would be authoritative if you said "my mother told me ... happened in the prison camp and i relate that to the palestinian movement". otherwise as you said elsewhere your are not an expert on morality. you wanted to talk to chomsky for guidance when the October 7 massacre happened. your moral equivalence argument is terrible. say a slave owner was abusive to nat turner. that would not justify turner killing the whole family.

@mcl6406 8 ай бұрын

I still gotta believe there are nonviolent means of resistance that would work better than this.

@user-ne4mz2zd5j 8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately not in that part of the world.

@industrialvr 8 ай бұрын

If you listen to Daniel Maté, the Gazans tried that before... and they were shot at.

@mcl6406 8 ай бұрын

@@industrialvr not like they're being shot at now

@juwayriyahshabir2627 8 ай бұрын

Funny how no one says Israel should use non violent means. For one side “defence” is always seen as killing civilians and always seen as acceptable. But when people who have been oppressed for decades and have tried the non violent approach, eventually fight back, instead of seeing them as freedom fighters (like the west always see themselves no matter what the excuse for an invasion), they’re always seems as terrorists…. The hypocrisy boggles the mind.

@kucingcat8687 8 ай бұрын

@@mcl6406 the fact that the Zionists would shot at them wether or not they tried "peaceful methods" literally proves that "peaceful methods" won't succeed whatsoever. Heck, for colonized people, "peaceful methods" never actually do anything for them

@bryanleggo3489 8 ай бұрын

I respect Norman Finkelstein's knowledge and work as much as Aaron does but NF is almost always a horrible interview because he's incapable of direct answers and can't be constrained from long-winded analogies and digressions. I wish someone would put away the idolizing and just tell him so. That way he could get out more of that depth of knowledge and more info for us to spread. Instead he talks almost like a meandering politician at times. It shouldn't take 10 minutes to say: "Nat Turner committed and was condemned for grotesque acts of criminal violence against innocents yet he ultimately inspired John Brown's insurrection for which Brown was also hated as a religious fanatic. Both were fanatics. Yet two years later Union Soldiers were literally singing praises of John Brown as they marched towards the confederates. So we can never be sure what will results from even horrible acts so it's impossible to predict what will come of the actions of Hamas on October 7th." Personally I'd just like a complete list of all these events emphasizing Israeli crimes across the years to make arguments for never supporting Israel. Any side by side comparison to victims of Hamas or any other Arab or Palestinian insurgency group would be minuscule in comparison.

@Yahoo273 8 ай бұрын

Your just jealous that you don’t have as much charisma as this wonderful man. People enjoy listening to him because he has substance. People like you just like to try and put anyone down!

@bryanleggo3489 8 ай бұрын

@@Yahoo273 LOL! How would you know how much charisma I have? From that paragraph I wrote? LOL! I already clearly said, I respect his work but he's an academic and speaks like a college professor lecturing which is NOT the best way to use mass communication - as Aaron obviously knows even if you don't. I also respect substance but not aimlessly rambling which is practically the opposite of concise substance. Just jealous? LOL! That sounds like a teenager response. BTW, the word is "you're".

@jweyek 8 ай бұрын

Slow talkers of America.

@amencke1145 8 ай бұрын

Yes, so slow minded people like you can understand.

@stompthedragon4010 7 ай бұрын

don't listen

@ArrosticiniVore 2 ай бұрын

Finkelstein appears to have alcohol related brain damage. He talks like the drunken captain of the Exxon Valdez

@waterbottles4744 8 ай бұрын

Norm is so full of it, my toilet is jealous.

@emmaslyons 8 ай бұрын

my condolenses on the apparent sorry hygiene levels of your toilet. That clearly says quite a bit about you. My toilet is sparkling clean thank you.

@scottjohnston6160 8 ай бұрын

Obviously, you know little about this situation. Best you keep your mouth shut until you educate yourself.

@dennispacelli1007 8 ай бұрын

@@emmaslyons PERIOD!!!

@Yahoo273 8 ай бұрын

Jealous much?!

@wingamwila4113 8 ай бұрын

@@Yahoo273Of a mad man😂

@j0n.p 8 ай бұрын

Norman Finkelstein is the definition of self-loathing jew.

@anshuecon 8 ай бұрын

As are you the definition of a self-loathing human being.

@JohnT.4321 8 ай бұрын

Not a true statement. He is a political scientist and expert on Zionism. There are many Jews who oppose the Fascist Zionists. Jews that follow Zionism are heretics.

@terrencebushell9588 8 ай бұрын

More like a self aware Jew.

@j0n.p 8 ай бұрын

@@terrencebushell9588 I guess using the exact same words and phrases a true anti-semite would use makes you a "self aware jew". Got it.

@AvelierPlays 8 ай бұрын

How is self hating? Because he recognizes the i justices Israel is committing upon a marginalized group of people?

@dragonfly1929 4 ай бұрын

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