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Great point. W900s and Pete 379s retain their value incredibly as opposed to all other trucks from what I’ve seen. I own a 2012 T-660 and am considering a new or newer truck in the next year and a half. Are you having good luck with your X-15? Any emissions issues? Do you run heavy and still get 7mpg? I pull tankers and we’re always close to 80,000 lbs.

@@caaguilar82 no issues with emissions, only problem I’ve had is an exhaust leak after all these years. Truly a great engine! Make sure you get the performance series variant. I haul Reefer and run at 62mph. I haul around 76k gross most of the time.

Good evening at what speed are you traveling

@@jesusvargas5179 I believe on a different thread he said 62 mph hauling reefer @ 76,000 lbs.

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You spent 18-21K a year on a NEW Volvo? On what?

@@DaveG7920 Yep, I bought my first truck in 2007 it was a 2008 model truck that was the first year of the new emissions and from day one I had nothing but trouble with engine aftertreatment, fuel injectors , injector cups , turbo blew up twice in two years the first time 25000 dollars in damages second year, and so on you name it .I finally managed to get rid of it in four years.

@@Artur_Khazin I think you'll find a lots changed since 07. Cummins motors from that time were absolute junk too. The tech has changed a lot. If W9's and 389's were the most profitable truck the mega's would run them.

@@DaveG7920 That's true, the kw and 379s were great with 3406 cats prior to 09 to 14 cummins isx , the company I ran for at the time had a lot of issues with them cummins did a recall in14 for an overhaul most of the engines and the aftertreatment system Those were the bad days.

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Yea but averaging what speed?

Dont think this resale game will be last forever. Who want a used truck with bad mpg when diesel will be more expensive in the future? That will destroy the resale value of the classics. A Cascadia saves at least 15.000 US Dollar a year over a W900. Even if the resalve value is worse.... 15.000 Dollars three years in a row... Game over.

The more I do the numbers, it seems like the best deal would be buying new with a big down payment and operating for 250k miles and selling with the new trucks. After 250k everything seems to go out.

@@TheTrueHardcorefr3k when you say big down payment. What percentage would you say that is?

But if youre losing $90k on fuel, are you really gonna get that savings? Nah, even if the resell value was $0 for the Volvo I think you would still be ahead

Lol if you choose to work for 1.55-1.70 you’re far from a business man, know your worth! Choose work that doesn’t require a plastic truck to survive.

@@davidgillis3939 A KW interior is made out of plastic. It might be nice looking plastic, but it is still plastic.

Well put

I thought a buddy how to drive in my w900 with 280inch wheel base and 13 speed. He went to prime Inc flatbed and complains about how he hits the ceiling in that new frieghtliners

I just think Paccar has good seats and suspension. I’ve never had back pain or a sore back at the end of my day or week in my T680.

Definitely

I drive a 2004 379 with a c13 13spd. It's too bad we are in CA and the truck was sold today. Driving a 579 right now and it's not the same as driving a hood. The 2004 rides better than the 2014 truck.

I drive a 579 and that seat is fantastic. Previously I drove an International and it had the worst seat ever, 2 months and I never could get it adjusted right. Everything else about that International was excellent however, especially bunk layout. Prior to that I drove a Cascadia, not a bad seat, but man, the bunk was a prison mattress and never comfortable, along with a lot of other awkward things about driving the thing. The whole bunk area was a crammed nightmare and I hated it. Point being, I agree with OP here, comfort matters, we live out of these things. My current 579 makes the experience the best: a great spacious bunk area with 2 windows (I can still stand even in the mid-roof), and a very comfortable seat.

1500 responded, the idle variable is irrelevant.

And the pay is good or not really?

I am facing same confusion i would say. I was going for W9 talked to the inland guy he was like go for t680 now i am stuck with 680,880 or the cascadia which is costing me around 220k.

Go with the w9 because like the 389 peterbilts, they’ll be discontinued in a few years so will be worth more money

Thank you for sharing your numbers!

@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News one thing I didn't mention Ronan, isn't it slightly unfair comparing a manual Kenworth to I presume a auto frieghtliner & Volvo?.

Imperial vs. US gallon?

@@seabrookmx imperial gallon in the UK

Even 1 cent makes a huge difference

The environment also cares about it, when less fuel is burned, but I understand that this isn't a relevant topic for a truck driver...

I don't believe anybody was. I think he's looking at the whole package. But personally I have no idea why anybody would want one unless doing heavy haul or something. Paccar 300 pounds lighter Paccar better fuel mileage and Paccar B10 engine life vs cummins B50 engine life.

@@pepsonautotransport1322 paccar engines are shit in hauling flatbed. Had one in my fleet and it last 6 months. I knew then when I was a company driver stay away from paccar engines. One of our guys was driving and his jake brake activated and wouldn’t cut off even though the jake was never engaged. I knew then my W9 that had a 3406e in it that old school is the way to go. c15 I’ve had no issues except turbo in 2 years

@@lilripstaSSF4 the old cats where great only probably is finding good reliable parts anymore. You can only rebuild things so many times. I'm thinking you probably had a earlier paccar so I would agree. But they have been upgrading them since then. The new one's are 510hp 1859 ft. That's like saying all cummins are garbage because of the reliability issues of the isx 15 especially 2016 and earlier. Fuel pumps piston rings cams snapping in half just tons of problems but they got it right over the years with the x15 from what I hear. Everything takes time to develop

@oramlll - bull crap, my dd15, 2019 cascadia gave me 9.6mpg over the last 35,000 miles. I can send you pictures on my dash read out if you post your email to prove it

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My point exactly

You can actually run the kw for 10 yrs or more plus where the cascadia or a Volvo is a throw away truck. Payments never stop, so the goal should be to get your equipment paid for which allows you to say no when someone wants you to work for 1.55-170 per mile.

@@davidgillis3939 Perhaps most 90% of Freightliner Leased trucks and many of the operators are not paying the bills so they get run down a bit faster oppose to someone that buys one new and actually looks after it but Have you seen 10 + year old KW's or Pete's for sale? the Inside of them look like Whitney Houston's Bathroom, many of the gauges and switches are broken When you buy one, you gotta spend $5-10K just to get it re-upholstered. Many of them are just Nasty. Maybe the Better ones are on the road but the ones I have seen currently for sale are awful. Check out Ohio Truck sales they have the largest batch of KW and Petes for sale right now.

It’s not even close to 1500 more per month for a freightliner compared to a pete or kw. If you do it right, it’s under 500 or less

Try getting a freightliner fixed at the dealer you have to wait days to get into shop . Kenworth is fast and effective.

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Thank u

They have more to do with economy than aerodynamics packages.

Thank you for suggestion!

Because even if the volvo and cascadia had a resell value of 0, it would still out perform the resell of the w900 if it were 90k used. You're talking about 90grand wasted with using these numbers. YOU SAVE $90,000$ in 5 years, If the w900 resell was 90k you would still have a value of $0! Where if the resell of Volvo and Cascdia was $0 the value would be +90k

You are so welcome. Happy to help.

There’s not enough sensors and the wait list is long, very long. When your NOX sensor go out, you can be down for months. Freightliner has more sensors (parts) available than kw, and kw has more electronics(sensor shortage) problems than Freightliner. But still, buying an emissions truck in 2021 is a big mistake as there are electronics(sensor) shortages.

1. Don't get in trucking. 2. Still thinking about it? Don't get in trucking. 3. Bigger companies (mega carriers) will hire you and train you and totally rip you off in pay and work you like a horse. They chew up drivers and spit them out because they have the numbers so you're just a number to them. The benefits are you don't have to worry about problems with maintenance on the road, they have many loads, and you generally have very basic tasks just being a driver as long as you're driving all the time. 4. Smaller companies are more personal, chances are you're going to find a family owned company, known by name, paid more. However the process takes time, you would have to get your hands greasy sometimes, it would be more hands on with you at the front lines compared to mega carriers where they have a different department fix everything and you sit like a zombie. You still have to work alot since it is trucking, you have to be on the road. Many companies promise the world to you "weekends off, high pay" all that junk but in the end if the truck is sitting they are losing money so they need you driving. If they can put you in the truck for the rest of your life they will do it they don't care. That goes for big and small companies. 5. Don't get in trucking

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The “higher resale” argument doesn’t work. Of course a truck that cost $50,000 more to begin with will sell for $50,000 (minus depreciation) 4 or 5 years later. That initial $50k will also have to be financed for that period or will be depreciating if paid in cash at the onset. All for an extra $2000 a month in fuel costs, which by the end of 60 months is $120,000.

@@Freightlinerbob Valid point of course, but still plays into some people's decision process. For what it's worth, I prefer an aero truck for the fuel savings. But, I'd go KW or Pete myself, over an FL. That's just personal preference though. My other points still stand, too much Idle time, and not carefully spec'd. My old business partner is getting 8 mpg in a carefully spec'd 389, running his own trailer, and generally light loads on a dedicated run. Even he admits, he probably should have gone aero, and likely will on his next truck. It sure is pretty though.

@@Freightlinerbob I bought my W9 for 35k with 1.1 on clock did an overhaul and I’ve put another 250k on clock so far. In the last 2 years I’ve had 1 breakdown where I had to wait on a turbo, other than that I rarely breakdown since I have no def or egr. Yes I spend more of fuel only because I do rgn loads sometimes. When I run my stepdeck or even light loads on my gooseneck I get 6.5-7.4mpg out of a C15 6nz. I also don’t do the mountains too often unless I have too

@@lilripstaSSF4 well there you go. A W9 for $35K while a comparable FL would be $10K. Guaranteed that the KW cost way more than the $25k resale difference. The resale argument does not hold water. But happy your tuck is working out for you. My C15 wasn’t a very happy experience.

@@Freightlinerbob my KW if it already had an overhaul done would’ve cost me 65-90k. W9’s and 379 Pete’s drivers take great care of them. I even see W9a models still on the road in better shape than most cascadias. Those trucks haven’t been made since early 80’s. People treat FL like the trash it is

I get 7 to 8mpg on most trips in my 680 with the x15

I know Owner/Operator that are getting 8.5mpg with a 2021 W900 with18 speed transmission. All depends on load, weather, driver.

What he fails to say is his fleet trucks are locked to 65 mph, so I’m sure the o/o is running at whatever speed he wants. He never brings up that when talking about fuel consumption

@@lilripstaSSF4 All trucks in Ontario are govern at 65m/h, its the law . What Ronen doesn't understand is that every truck, equipment, operation, direction of travel, weather, driver habits are different situations , I refuse to run at 55 to 60 m/h I believe its not safe period, every one is different, those numbers means absolutely nothing its logical to say that the aerodynamic trucks in general are more fuel efficient then the classics and he is looking at it from his fleet perspective and the wages that the pay, but for the one truck operation what you want is quality, I owned volvos before its nothing but junk plastic fairings crack, rattle, breaking apart on the third year all around. Not to mention the accidents, more damage cost you more. The is a reason why people still buy classic trucks even when they cost more.

It looks like he's failing to take into consideration time his drivers spend. How many more loads is that W900 getting versus the Volvos in his fleet?

Ronen is also forgetting the fact that there is this thing in Canada called taxes , the fuel is your number one expense but it also your number one write off .

Start off with driving for a company

Should start working for a company to get used to the life and see if you're up for it.

I’m an owner operator leased on to a tanker outfit doing power only. With higher fuel prices the fuel surcharge is higher as well. By having a fuel card with a good discount we actually do better when fuel prices are higher as opposed to cheaper. Crazy right? Give you an example: Memphis, TN to Williamsport, PA $4895 gross plus $1174.80 in fuel surcharge. I get 62% of the gross so my part was $3034.90 plus $13.55 tolls plus $1174.80 fuel. If you take a similar load but for a different customer who pays less then your linehaul will be lower and therefore your fuel surcharge will be lower. Watch out for companies who skim part of the fuel surcharge and keep it to themselves. Hope this helps.

The price of fuel is unrelated to the white house..stop listening to FOX they are in the entertainment business and are not journalists

You should drive an Ari truck with shower, toilet, full fridge, convection oven and a kitchen sink… creature comfort is everything right

@@jaeinnmoon3279 I hear ya. Maybe when I retire what ever truck I own at the time I'll have them put one of their sleepers on it and turn it into an R.V.

@@gweisenbar1776 - no, order a day cab with 265 wb truck, then you can get a 97inch cab. Or, you can order a 285 wb frame day cab and you can get a 120inch ari sleeper. I am ordering a 265 wb to get a 97inch ari sleeper that has toilet, shower, full kitchen

@@jaeinnmoon3279 Good for you. Think Ill keep my 990

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Mack is Volvo they're the same motor

@@prayingmantis3916 incorrect. Volvo has a detroit and the mack has MP 7 or 8. They don't even have the same group of engineers

Let me break the news to you, your KW will run into emissions sensor related electrical problems within the first 3 years after you bought it new. Wait time on parts is many many months long. Good luck keeping your truck while waiting on parts.

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I've found the D13 to be reliable, of course to compare to the X15 you need the D16 but I don't think you can get them in North America?

@@DaveG7920 I think we all have our bias. Just know too many guys doing injectors, cups and cams prior to 500,000 mi. I love the Western Star as well but, that one box scares the shit out of me. But let’s face it, with every power train there is an element of finger crossing that you have a good one. :-)