Only when it comes to the (markings of) the fur though ... Anything besides that is actually very different.

Close, but very different. I love my small munsterlander

I have a 3 year old SM and that’s exactly what I thought

The Grosser Münsterländer, Great Muensterlander, in the Origin is nothing than a GLP with Non Standard colour. GLP has to be brown, brown-white or braun-schimmel. In the beginning als puppies with other colour than that were killed. Than some enthusiast in the Muensterland decided to start the breeding of Great Munsterlander. Since then the black-whites wont be killed anymore.

Yes, it looks like we have some engeneered superdogs. ^^ I am also impressed with. The americans btw bring incredible beautiful short movies about that to life. 'Project Upland' is clearly a heart-opener! And it is also good to listen over the fence what other good (dog) people say and think; esp with our own breeds.

You're talking $1k + my friend.

@@Cloggie1967 thank you for the response. This purchase will be a few years out but id like to know what id be getting into.

Just read up on the breed characteristics because they're not your run of the mill Labradors.

@@Cloggie1967 Understood. Thank you!

Maybe they would say 'outside of europe' Do not take it too serious.

Enlighten me and point out the reasons why the Deutsch Langhaar is obscure in your eyes...

It’s not obscure in my eyes, it’s obscure, period. It’s a minority breed, that most people have never heard of, and even more will never see afield. These breeds have become obscure because they haven’t performed as well as other breeds, and the market for proven gundog breeds has pushed them in to obscurity. They are not alone; Weims, Munsterlanders, Clumbers, and Welshies have also been pushed to obscurity. English Pointers, Setters (not Irish), GSPs, and Brits have become the gold standard of the upland and versatile breeds. Of course, none of this isn’t to say no one should have fun with the breed of their choosing, but if they want a breed that’ll give them a lots of excitement and proven performance they’d do better getting a well bred less obscure breed.

​@@flairball you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Of course it's a minority breed, that is intended and that's a good thing. Would be a disaster if my beloved GLP breed would go the same way as Weimaraners or labradors, which are virtually useless for hunting nowadays, since they went mainstream. But to think just because GLP dont have a big population, it's obscure is idiotic. They are bred with absolute dedication by its Club over here in Germany and they excel, not only on examns, of which good breeding dogs have to pass at least 2, better 3, but also at hunting small game as well as wildboar and red deer alike. And to think of the GSP as the gold standard, lmao dude, you have no clue what you are talking about. They get laughed at by my local GLP breeders for their poor performance. Too many GSP in amateur hands, they muddy the water. Sure, there are some great kennels of GSP, producing some fine gun dogs, but overall, the GLP breeding over here in Germany is far more elitist and dedicated. You will never see a GLP in the hands of non-hunters, completely opposite to GSP. Just this spring we had to privately organize a hunting ground for the local GSP club to do their examns in, because there was no one in their club with a decent hunting ground with a good population of small game, so they came to us, the GLP club for help. You clearly have no idea about German guns dog breeds, so maybe keep your uninformed opinions to yourself.

​@@flairball how is a setter and a english pointer versatile ?

"Many "obscure breeds" are "obscure" because they are just that. "Obscure" and lesser known. Not because they perform to a lesser degree. Often the opposite is true in my experience. It is strict breeding standards and lack of awareness that often keeps these breeds preforming exceptionally well. There are countess examples of breeds who, when they become popular, people see dollar signs and the breed suffers. The precious pointers, setters, weimaraners, many setters, goldens, labs; I can go on and on. Look at the Large Munsterlanders in England. They have become popular as of late and as a result more and more people do not hunt, test, certify, or train their dogs to original standards. As a result the breed has suffered as a true hunting breed. Every breed has fantastic hunting focus breeders out there. Once a breed becomes "popular" however, the breed as a whole becomes saturated with dogs which have been bred without the hunting traits or conformation standards as a focus.