Just added to your point, it was a good place with good people until the refugees arrived on mass. The British had suffered enough, everybody had suffered enough, they just wanted it to finish and get home to their families. War weary the UK made concessions as they were unable to contain the volume of refugees nor could they prevent them from disembarking the boats indefinitely. It's worth remembering the context of the times and that it was holocaust survivors that were arriving. How far could the UK go to enforce security against an already persecuted influx of people. Pisses me off when trouble makers blame everybody else for what they themselves did.

@@dicksimo76yet the British didn’t take them in. Neither did any of the commonwealth countries or the USA. At the time, Australia was very sparsely populated with immense mineral wealth and an abundance of farmlands. It was convenient to establish an outpost of empire which then was transferred to the USA empire to keep the region in perpetual destabilization while they loot all the wealth in the region, especially via what became the petrodollar

@@dicksimo76Why couldn’t the British just of allowed/facilitated them to resettle in their home countries? When African Americans were freed they chose to stay in the USA, and the alternative ‘repatriation’ to Africa made about as much sense as Israel.

​@dicksimo76 you forget after the war they craved up Europe, they could have given then part of Germany.

​@dicksimo76 I think you still need to distinguish between two things, Zionsim and Jews. During the Ottoman rule, European Jews were prohibitted from migrating to Palestine due to concerns of Zionisim after it'd became common knowledge what Zionsim's intentions were. The Ottomans still had no objection whatsoever to the migration of European Jews to any other territory that was under the Ottoman rule. It must be noted that the Zionists approached the Ottomans first, before they went anywhere near the British, asking Sultan Abdul Hamid II to facilitate the establishment of a homeland for Jews in Palestine. The Zionists offered to write off the Ottoman Public Debt (which the Ottoman state was reeling under) in return for Palestine but their offered was rejected which is why they turned to the British who were more than happy to oblige and so The Balfour Declaration (which was written/drafted by Haim Weitzman and handed over to Arthur Balfour) was made to the Rothchilds bankers a year before the end of a very costly WWI (costly in terms of monetary DEBT not just human lives). It must also be noted thst it was because of the the British Occupation of Palestine in 1917 and the implementation of the Balfour Declaration that the Zionists had established themselves more prominently and and became more potent and an effective force as time passed to the point that Zionism became the thing among many European Jews. So by 1930s Jews who were coming from Europe were not just Jews. Many of them were already Zionists and many were not only escaping persecution, but they were coming particularly to Palestine throught Zionists facitations as part of the fulfillment of the Zionist project

It’s more in line with what we did with Hawaii. Business owners showing up, guns in hand and taking with force the land. Then the native population being forced into a smaller and smaller sector and into abject poverty.

@@JohnHunterPlayerryes the Dole pineapple company helped in the US occupation of Hawaii and overthrowing of the Hawaiian Queen

Let them open casinos?

​@@user-qr7ee2cp4y unfortunately gambling is forbidden in Islam, so I think they have nothing to do but fight.

@@user-qr7ee2cp4y would it be antisemitic if I said you seem to be all about the Benjamins when you say things like that?

Saved from what crazy u crazy have not saved nothing but made world crazy stop rapping little kids then the world could be saved not on your crazy agendas in world

A poll carried out in the West Bank and Gaza indicates that 3 out of 4 Palestinians fully support the unprecedented massacres committed by Hamas. 🤮

Sam and Emma, it would be really great if you could have Zach Foster on your platform as well! Looking forward to it!

Im sorry for my ancestors actions. But i think its a human issue not a group of humans issue. We can hopefully overcome our shared natural instinct of greed and having opinions on groups or religions instead of individuals

Truly devastating 💔

​@joshthompson8327 It is a humans issue but a particular group of humans did most of the damage and we need to come to terms with that fact.

Yee if only they would listen to the colonizers they would be rich now ...but no no no lets be free like south africa and have gangs 36% unemployment and power grid that failed 👌 O and after they are free ... they still fight civil wars for power...

​@Broskisnowskiship the Europeans back? I hope Europe is ready for how many immigrants that will be. I hope I get to ho to Sweden from that side of my family, and not Russia for the German Russian side. I do believe that the First Nations in the Americas will appreciate getting their continents back. Lots of resources.

Yes , That is a puzzle inside a riddle wrapped in an enigma ?? If there were no people there who revolted , why ? Who did the Brits kill . Who built those churches , mosques . All those thousand year old olive trees they destroyed .

Why did the British government lead by Crime Minister Lord Belfour pass the 1905 Aliens Exclusion Act? Ask yourself why. This is his government response to the persecution of Eastern European Jews and their forced migration, mainly from the Russian Empire into Britain. A book entitled '' The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine'' by Jewish, Israeli and once Zionist historian and author Ilan Pappe is a good start. The life story of Swedish diplomat Folke Bernadotte also is revealing of the intention of the Zionist entity since its inception. Thousands of Jewish Ethiopian women received shots of Depo-Provera every three months in Israeli clinics to stop them from menstruating and producing Jews of the wrong color. Ask yourself why. It is illegal to do DNA tests, genealogical studies in Israel. Ask yourself why. ‘’Colonialism is not a machine capable of thinking or a body endowed with reason. It is naked violence, and only gives in when confronted with greater violence’’. Frantz Fanon- The Wretched Of Earth. ‘’Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood let alone believed by the masses’’, Plato. One is fighting for defending their land & another one fighting to steal the land. "The Nazis made me afraid to be a Jew and the Zionists made me ashamed to be a Jew." Israel Shahak, a Holocaust survivor. Thanks to social media and spread of information, with a couple of clicks and with courage and human decency, the truth shines for every seeker to recognize. Plan Dalet is a good way to start your search. It details the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian villages and towns from their inhabitants. Search Dier Yassin, Tantura, Ramla, Lydda, Safsaf, Sa’sa, Kfar Qassim and hundreds of other massacres committed by Zionist Hagana, Irgun and Stern gangs in 1947-1948 under the eyes of the British authorities. “Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel” by Max Blumenthal. “Denying people the right of return to their homeland, and at the same time offering this right to others who have no connection to the land, is a model of undemocratic practice.” -Israeli historian Pappe. “Since its establishment, Israel has engaged in brutal oppression of the rights of Palestinians. Thousands of Palestinians are imprisoned, beaten and tortured; children are taken from their beds and beaten by soldiers who are armed to the teeth.”-Israeli historian Miko Peled. "I am a freedom fighter- says teenager Ahed Tamini, the Rosa Parks of Palestine in her memoir “They called me a lioness, A Palestinian Girl’s Fight for Freedom.” This book is an eye-opener and a worthwhile read. Plan Dalet, the blueprint of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian villages and towns started in December 1947 and was FINALIZED by the High Command of the Zionist leadership on March 10, 1947. Not a SINGLE Arab army soldier had entered the Palestine/Israel before the Zionists declared the birth of their state on May 15, 1948. By then, more than 300000 defenseless civilians had already been massacred, expelled, raped, and mutilated and more than 300 villages and towns emptied, destroyed, torched, and imploded with dynamite under the watchful eyes of and with the support of the British soldiers and police, who left the country on the fateful day. The Zionists even ran out of dynamite because of the extent of their barbarity. By the end of that year, 20000 civilians had been killed and 750000-900000 defenseless civilians, 85% of the population who had lived in the land that became Israel, had been rendered refugees. 530 villages were destroyed and depopulated. Zionists criminals even murdered the Swedish diplomat Count Folke Bernadotte, the UN peace envoy in Sept 1948 because he was a witness to their crimes. He objected to the Zionist plan of ethnically cleansing Palestine of its native inhabitants. He, by the way, as the head of the Swedish Red Cross, had helped in the release of about 20000-30000 inmates from the Nazi concentration camps in Germany during WW2. Videos and resources you might find educational: Warning, they may be difficult to get because of censorship. Hundreds of books were written on the subject too. It is VERY easy to get informed. 1. 1948 Creation & Catastrophe (2017) 2. Gaza by Garry Keane & Andrew McConnell (2019) 3. Tantura (2022) 4. Gaza Fights for Freedom, a film by Abby Martin (2019) 5. The Iron Wall, a film by Mohammed Alatar (2006) 6. 5 Broken Cameras (2011) 7. Jenin Jenin (2002) 8. Born in Gaza (2014) 9. The Law in These Parts by Ra’anan Alexandrowicz & Liran Atzmor (2011) 10. Naila and the Uprising (2017) 11. To Shoot an Elephant by Alberto Arce and Mohammad Rujailahk (2009) 12. Mayor by David Osit (2022) 13. Slingshots Hip Hop (2008) 14. Occupation 101: Voices of the Silenced Majority (2006) 15. With God on Our Side (2010) 16. How the Palestinians Were Displaced in 1948 17.The Village Under the Forest (2013) 18. Roadmap to Apartheid (2012) 19. The sons of Eilaboun. 20. The massacre of Safsaf. 21. 1948, a documentary by Bakri about the massacre of Dawaymeh near Hebron. 22. Tantura, Safsaf, Sa’sa, Kfar Qassim and other massacres. Other resources: Voices of the Silenced Majority (2006) 15. With God on Our Side (2010) 16. How the Palestinians Were Displaced in 1948 | The Village Under the Forest (2013). Remember April 9, 1948 Deir Yassin massacre = Palestinian Auschwitz committed by the survivors of the holocaust. Boycott apartheid genocidal Israel. Don’t be the last to condemn the colonial apartheid state like you were in South Africa. The Zionist apartheid colonial outpost is controlling ALL aspects of our lives. It is though NOT prepared for what the new generation is witnessing live on social media directly from occupied Palestine. Thanks to the social media and spread of information, Palestine is finally freeing us from this plague. No state has a right to exist, but every person does. Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Rhodesia and countless others are states destined to fall and they did. This one is no different. Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-Semitic, the same way criticizing Saudi Arabia is not anti-Islam, criticizing Myanmar is not anti-Buddhism and criticizing India is not anti-Hinduism. Demolishing the apartheid state would be OK and in fact be the only way to save everybody including the Israelis. The two-state solution is no longer possible. Zionists stole ALL the land. The only solution left is ONE demilitarized secular state under international control with ALL people with documents showing ownership rights related to the land between the river and sea. We need to abolish all racial and religious favoritism. Refugees should be allowed to return if they so wish. We need to dismantle the apartheid colonial state. Peace will NEVER be realized without justice for all. The answer is very clear and everybody should support it. One country from the river to the sea with the two peoples living together in a democratic system is the only solution. Such unitary binational state is advocated by several former Zionists and current historians including Miko Peled, Ilan Pappe, Gabor Mate, Norman Finkelstein, Barnaby Raine and others and supported by the majority of the Arab population of Palestine. The imperial colonial Zionist outpost is not working and it would NEVER work. And how many years can some people exist Before they're allowed to be free? Yes, and how many times can a man turn his head And pretend that he just doesn't see? The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind The answer is blowin' in the wind Yes, and how many times must a man look up Before he can see the sky? And how many ears must one man have Before he can hear people cry? Yes, and how many deaths will it take 'til he knows That too many people have died? The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind The answer is blowin' in the wind

YES, I second that. Please!

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I duble that english 🙌

Free from Palestinians and ONLY for Israelis. Palestinians had decades, to figure it out and live in peace, they don't want to, never wanted to and will not stop till they are no more. They've also contributed NOTHING to the world at large, where as Jews and Israel HAVE.

And what happens to the Israelis?

@famalam why can't they BOTH be free???

And that's why conservatives hate history and hate the teaching and learning about it. They hate education, period, unless they can twist it into a lie.

This is history i wish never existed but I guess it is the way of humans

Well said

Most people don't realize that Woodie Guthrie actually wrote that song despising the fact that anyone could claim land as their own. He'd be very upset with people's common misconception about his song.

@@FeebleDaddy Well said, thanks

So do you support Ukraine as much as you do Gaza? Both are going up against significant Goliath's? Both have their aggressor being indiscriminately bombed everyday? Stand for gaza stand for Ukraine 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@@ThatsGuy-ri6ul One has back up from the most powerful nation in the world and the other has the most powerful nation in the world working against it. I support Ukr but it is not a similar situation.

Then the ottomans, then the Jordanians. There’s never been a ‘Palestine’ the nationality didn’t even become a thing until the 1960s. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

​​​@@famalam943do you know Palestine is the name of that region. Not country. Even my country never a think bfore colonized. The fact is people already living there bfore British bring European jews to Palestine.

​​​​@@famalam943btw there is no india nationality before 1947. There is no Indonesia nationality before 1945. You can said that to almost every colonized country with your stupid logic.

@@yogi_gs yes that’s exactly my point yet anti Israelis claim Isreal is ‘new’ and Palestine was always a nation with no Jewish population. Palestine was a province. There was never a Palestine nationality until the 60s yet these ppl act as if the Israelis came and stole a country called ‘Palestine’

​@@famalam943No, they just pretended that the 'territory' of Palestine, state or not, Ottoman or not, was a land without 'human beings' who had a flourishing and evolving infrastructure, whose physical existence, was being completely disregard by the Zionists. Who incidentally are not all Jewish. It's amazing how invisible borders and 'name' changes of land masses, over thousands of years, can become the justification for ethnic cleansing today.

I didn't know either; it is a stone-cold bummer. But, I think that's just because his mind was too tinged by the prevailing religious mythos of the day, rather than any contempt for the people. He had to say something that fit into this kind of biblical narrative whether he was even conscious of it or not. Edit;Update: ACTUALLY, it looks like he specifically said "the Turks have *made* it barren" so he was condemning the colonial occupiers of that day

He described what he saw. The land was sparsely populated and he would have met few people. It does not mean nobody was there. You only had to seek out the right places. Also, the swamps and the malaria were huge issues before the coming of the Jews.The disease was quite deadly.

@@erikt1713 it wasn't sparsly populated though, that's the propaganda

@@erikt1713and I’m sure the muslim, Christian and Palestinian jews would have sorted that swamp thing out in time anyway. Who knows? They might of had a thriving multi faith nation by now if left to it b

Muslims, Christians and Jews are the problem for Palestine. The three faiths all originate in the Tanakh. Without religion, the mystical currency of the land is void.

The islamic apologist forgot to mention ... on one side british empire ... on the other arab league that has not baned slavery ... Slaver in soudi arabia was baned in 1970s 🤭 In 1934, a report to the League of Nations acknowledged that slaves were still kept among the Bedouin shaykhs in Jordan and Palestine, and that slavery was maintained under the guise of clientage

​@@MikeMW87what is your point? Does slavery here or there legitimate occupation by UK who has a history of slavery and colonization?

@@helgefredriksen7962 He's wrong and lying, don't feed him. Dealt with him before. Really not that bright.

@@MikeMW87how is this relevant to the discussion?

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Thanks so much! Very pleased to find original documentation! Even better that on Internet Archive it can be listened to! 😊 The Truth will definately set us free.

Lmfao. Watch their content sure but to claim MR are unbiased on this is a joke I don’t think the funniest guy int he world could write

on what issues? If this issues its totally unbiased because its a fact from history books!@@famalam943

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​@@MikeMW87 ok Fascists

@@Molkit007china and russia today are fascist you have products from china ... you must be a fascist supporter 😘

humanity propaganda :) love it ...not buying it ...

@@MikeMW87you have a nazi eagle as your PFP, the world doesn’t need you

@@MikeMW87found the hasbara bot

LOL keep up the propaganda campaign!! "Ignoring the truth does not make it go away, it just makes those who ignore it more ignorant." Supporting humanity would be standing up against anti-Semitism and Jew-hatred. But, I guess a self-hating Jew like yourself wouldn't have a clue what I am talking about. Your platform will be held accountable for its egregious actions.

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Yep, that's always been how settler colonialism works. Deeming the land that's being conquered as uninhabited by declaring that the people already living there aren't actually people.

It’s a horror story that never ends.

The Afrikaans tried that in South Africa. There is a debate on KZfaq of them claim that South was empty 😂😂😂

Very true. A Kibbutz is on my father's village of Kudna...1948 they were horrifically bombarded , Zionists murdered an old man who was resting in his home because he couldn't escape...

they are terrorists! because they engage in terrorist activities. but so do the israelis. both are terrorists. the PLO was notorious for its terrorist activities in the 70s and 80s what was 10/7? a terrorist operation mostly. and what was the israeli bombing since, a similar terrorist response. to call terrorism, freedom fighting, is an insane thing to do.

You have to get the terminology right, so that it exculpates you from any criticism. Ever notice that over the last decade or two, in every country that's on the receiving end of US military adventurism those who fight back are labeled "insurgents"? Must come up with a label that makes them the bad guys.

@@hannotn how dare they fight back!! Back in the '60s the Brits labelled the Kenyan Mau Mau as terrorists and in 2000-ish their new president changed that and they threw a fit about it.

And what happens to Israel

The Gazans should go there! Ohio is much less densely populated and has a lot more sweetwater.

​​​​@@erikt1713 what about the Eastern European colonizers? shouldn't they return to Poland and Czechoslovakia or Ohio or Florida if you're offering😊

@@Molkit007 Ohio was not mainly colonized by Eastern Europeans but by Germans, British and Polish.

​@@erikt1713 how about the Jews going to the JAO (Jewish autonomes oblast ) created in 1934 for the Jews by the Soviets there was already a Jewish state before israel

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because they are racist countries and historically Europeans considered Jews to be a separate race

@Broskisnowski wrong, that’s a racist, n4zi, ahistorical take

@@yansideabacoa6257 so why didn't they kick out other separate races? 🤔

@Broskisnowskiexcept they let the rich ones stay and maintain their wealth and influence

Well said

it says in the koran itself. use the jizya to make the non moslem feel humbled and inferior ======= does nt look like you read your own holy book and spend more time reading history books! ====== if the purpose of the jizya was just to tax for non-military exemption, as you claim, why would God himself say the tax is to humiliate the non-moslems?

Finaly some one said about zakkah and jizyah.

Yea, their empire was so disgraceful and rotten , yet the majority of them are so proud of it!

As a Brit yes, I agree.we made so much money out of our colonialism of so many lands.

@@juliewake4585yet the average brit is poor and finding it difficult to even house themselves. Where’s all that wealth? Are your elite colonising the British people and their communities now?

OMG what an amazing family history! And you inherited the poetry?! My maternal grandfather was self taught. Unfortunately my beloved but ignorant uncles didn't understand, much less know what to do with his volume's of research upon his passing. They either donated or sold them to NAU Science/Physics dept. I was without a doubt his favorite grandchild as I was the only one allowed to be in his study room. Fondest memories were of playing under his desk. Godspeed to you and yours.

@AZtea4UnME Thank you! My maternal great grandfather was not very learned in the secular sense as the transition from urdu language (national language before indian colonization) and potohari (a punjabi language dialect) from northern punjab to the new imposed colonised language of English took a generation for my family. So, most of his poetry is in urdu with a hint of potohari dialect of punjabi. Most of his letters that he used to correspond with his family back home were also written in poetic expressions. His poetry was mostly about thoughts on the battlefield, philosophy of life, etc. Ironically, wars make people cherish life philosophies more than peace time. Yes, his immediate family also didn't have any interest in saving the historical artefacts of my family and I had to sift through large quantities of family politics to get my hands on such an important piece of history. Unfortunately, nothing remains beside one small book of his collection as my family had to internally immigrate from so many places to reach safety, prosperity, and security during conflicts and partition. My paternal family wasn't that lucky, and most of them were killed during the partition of indian sub-continent into pakistan and India. Both of my families have some strange unintentional affinity towards calamity.

@@saudmunir2390you should perhaps create a wiki page for him. Are you based out of India or Pakistan?

From the sound of the Indian Army, they for sure would have sided with the Palestinians. It would have been pretty awful.

@omeridrees5433 I hail from Pakistan. Currently, I am trying to gather all the info from the familial and some tangible sources (I hope) to create a compilation of information on my familial history. Recently, I have discovered that my paternal family might be related to the last great Muslim mughal nawab (lord) of the punjab region; Nawab Adina Beg Khan. My maternal grandmother might have been a descendant of last mughal emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar as her family took refuge in the northern mountains of Azad Kashmir to escape the wrath of the British Raj against the Royal family especially after the Indian rebellion of 1857. I never thought I was that much related to the last royal families. I'm still trying to gather more info and IA when completed I'll make it part of the academic circles.

Capitalism alone cannot achieve democracy yet democracies keep trying to make it do that.

Why does Herzl get to call the shots in a place with an existing sizeable population of a different way of life?

@@franco521 Herzl wanted a sanctuary for any Jew fleeing persecution. He made contact with rulers in Siberia, Uganda, Argentina and the Ottoman Empire, where Palestine was a province. Jews had already been settling there harmoniously alongside non-Jewish inhabitants. Until WWI, it was the Ottomans who "called the shots" there. After the war, and nearly 20 years after Herzl had died, that's when Zionism made its greatest departure from Herzl's dream.

@@Philip-0 Was Herzl's vision a state where Arabs and European Jews shared equal rights, voting and otherwise?

@@franco521 Yes. Freedom of religion too. Everything I posted above in the middle paragraph comes directly from his words. He even warned about the risk of radical Jews taking over the Zionist movement, which is exactly what happened.

The consensus here is a two state solution could never be democratic, and it's racist to even think of it. Only a one state solution will work. Well, they've got that already. They're obsessed with the past. 1948 to the present CLEARLY lays out that failure. You can't go back. the past no longer exists.

After what they did now they will be lucky to keep all of Gaza. I think it will have to be reoccupied like before 2005. If the birth rate does not come down, Europe will have to continue taking in millions of refugees from Gaza, indeed more than live there now.

i see all the palestinians being pushed into neighboring arab countries over the next 100 years until there are no more left in the occupied territories. and then israel can assimilate those terroritories into israel proper. and that will be the end of palestine and palestinians who will all become egyptians, jordanians, lebanese, emiratis etc over time.

I see them as people but they are misguided by their faith. They are not normal people that you could find an agreement with. They only love war.

you mean who is looking at year 2400 AD?

I wonder why they would revolt against the British? Why wouldn't they, the British army was evil. Death or freedom was the slogan of the colonies. Most colonies won their independence by fighting the British off.

May be Turks treated better than the British and Zio*ist? Also, as humans there is limit to shit we can take. So maybe they got tired of being oppressed and colonized.

maybe the Turks were not COLONIZING them? meaning? not coming in and taking over their lands and homes the british most certainly were, but importing HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS of non-native jews

One- you're ignoring the fact that Palestinians Christians are the oldest, continuous Christian group in the world. All the Palestinians (Muslim, Christians and Jews) had a long history of peaceful co-existence under Muslim rulership. Medieval Christians foreigner rulers were evil and brutal. The colonial British were no better in Palestine than they were to other groups they colonalised. Of course, the Palestinians like other colonalised revolted. As for the Jewish rule, of course the Palestinians reject them. They have ethnically cleansed Palestinians from the majority of historic Palestine, they refuse to give the Palestinians the right of return (a legal, international right), they have implemented exclusive Jewish sovereignty to the exclusion of the native population. Even the British did not do this.

@@user-et2ng1qb2m The vast majority of Palestinians were Christians before the Muslim invasion of the region. Most converted to Islam to avoid the penalties and persecution of their Muslim overlords.

This author seems to have reverse-engineered a theory that fits the current progressive "vibe" The British opposed both the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Palestine as well as unlimited immigration of Jewish refugees to the region. This according to the US dept of state website. They were "given" ( by the league of nations) Palestine with the partitioning of the Ottoman empire. FDR never wanted an Israeli state, Instead he kowtowed (with extenuating circumstances ie: the holocaust) to his constituents who were mostly Jewish Zionists and explained there were simply fewer American Palestinian, and used this fact as his explanation for his decision along with the holocaust. This is based on opinion-slash facts to create an anti US Britain Biden narrative. the only true thread here is Israel had no right at the time to exist IMO.

​@@tho2ea I had family stationed as part of the British Army in Palestine, who if alive would support your statement in its entirety!

It's a, shame for you/Israel that international law guarantees the Palestinians a right to resist an occupying force, along with the 'right of return' so legally, all settlements will revert to Palestine. The occupying force is liable for all rebuild, repair and financial compensation, also ... There, the dilemma is fixed, using current international law! Furthermore, under the legal definition of gen.0.cyde, multiple legal scholars state Israel's 'actions', in Gaza and in the West Bank since 10/7, are evidence of gen.0.cyde (i.e. more than plausible)... Maybe there will not even be an Israel, by the time the ICJ concludes investigations?

You misunderstand the facts, the law and my position. Wars simply preclude resettlement. Hamas wants the extermination of Israel. Islamists have fought and lose how many wars seeking the extermination of the Jews? Start there.Remember MY position is not one seeking to understand right or wrong but to find a workable solution for peace.@@mariag3605

So you are for the neutralization of Israel - which is what the last few wars over there were about? Or you just want a permanent base for Hamas? Maybe a formal agreement delineating borders as has been refused by the Palestinians many times before. From the River to the Sea is literally the cry to remove Israel from Judea. When Muslems say they will rise again, convert you to islam, force you to pay tribute or execute you - maybe you should believe what their holiest of text says. My tolerance for religion is vast but I do not tolerate infringement on anyone's religious freedom.@@mariag3605

Where do you come up with these crazy ideas? The west bank is located within Israel. The Palestinians are under military occupation following the six day war between Israel, Jordan and Syria. Israel defeated the aggressors and seized this territory. You're suggesting handing it back to the aggressors? @@mariag3605

They didn't

hmmm. sounds like every politician across the entire globe. all millions of them.

Are you saying, the "hum@n animals" living there at the start of the Eastern-Euro zyonyst's brutal occupation were irrelevant, just like today's descendents are irrelevant - neither deserve even a bag of flour, let alone retention of their generational homes and farmland. That appears to be what you're statement means ...

The Zionist were in cahoots with the Nazis. That is historic fact. Not individuals. The entire Zionist collective.

So you mean the Philistines?

The entire Muslim world is interconnected and they've always been territories and states, like greater Syria. Lebanon was never a country before French colonialsm came and carved it out. There's supposed to be one ruler, central authority, and army for Muslims. Of course that's not what happened for a varitey of reasons, but none of this negates the fact people lived there for millenia. No matter what you called them or that land, people lived there. And btw if you want to talk abt fighting, go listen to a rally in Jordan and Bangladesh-they'd be there if they could!

That isnt true at all. The help from Iran mostly exists in the fantasies of Israeli fascists, and the Saudis have done their part to hold up the alliance with Israel and the USA. And your claim of Russia supporting Iran is like hyperventilation in a vaccum, it has no basis in reality. Pure desperation.

@@handsanitiser9832”Lebanon was never a country before French colonialism came and carved it out” Hmm? Chapter 5 of 1 Kings, which was written thousands of years ago long before the time of the Franks, records a diplomatic deal between Solomon, king of Israel, and Hiram, king of Lebanon, in which Solomon traded wheat and olive oil for cedar imported from Lebanon (so that the cedar wood would help with the construction of the Temple to Yahweh in Jerusalem).

​@@mechadoggy Your comment proves my point. It doesn't have to be a "country" with "borders" to exist, but can be a region/territory. This happens all the time. The "statehood" premise is diralect through and through. Areas change names all the time-look at street names in the U.S., or some city names. Doesn't mean ppl don't live there. Most of the countries of Europe are of recent invention, but you racists never seem to argue that those peoples don't exist, either. Palestine was an 'administrative entity' from 1920 to 1948, with laws, citizenship, currency, etc. It was also a state in the early iron age, and again during the Roman era. The Palestinians (or whatever you want to call them-people lived there) have the sociological markings of a unique culture: food, dialect, dance, and clothing. There are different ideas about borders, sovernty, etc.-doesn't mean ppl don't live there (look up mandates). Just ask ppl in the Virgin Islands-never founded, not a country or state, but a U.S. territory. Palestinians always lived there and are descendants of the netufians and canaanites, thousands of years before the Judaism. The fact you mentioned this alone proves you just repeat points. It doesn'tmatter if a border shifts, identity, language, religion, passport-ppl were always there. They had mayors, clean cities, laudatory universities and industries-again, people were there.

@@mechadoggy Your comment proves my point. It doesn't have to be a "country" with "borders" to exist, but can be a region/territory. This happens all the time. The "statehood" premise is diralect through and through. Areas change names all the time-look at street names in the U.S., or some city names. Doesn't mean ppl don't live there. Most of the countries of Europe are of recent invention, but you racists never seem to argue that those peoples don't exist, either. Palestine was an 'administrative entity' from 1920 to 1948, with laws, citizenship, currency, etc. It was also a state in the early iron age, and again during the Roman era. The Palestinians (or whatever you want to call them-people lived there) have the sociological markings of a unique culture: food, dialect, dance, and clothing. There are different ideas about borders, sovernty, etc.-doesn't mean ppl don't live there (look up mandates). Just ask ppl in the Virgin Islands-never founded, not a country or state, but a U.S. territory. Palestinians always lived there and are descendants of the netufians and canaanites, thousands of years before the Judaism. The fact you mentioned this alone proves you just repeat points. It doesn'tmatter if a border shifts, identity, language, religion, passport-ppl were always there. They had mayors, clean cities, laudatory universities and industries-again, people were there.

This type of thinking is why people claim the world started on October 7

well, the jordanians did rule over the West Bank 1948 to 1967. they should have simply assimilated the West Bank into Jordan proper at that time? ======== and things would have been much better for the locals living there ====== could it be that the local palestinians did not want that? ======== and instead wanted a separate Palestine state? ======== if so, then they made A HORRIBLE bet and are now paying for their own bad decisions ======= like you say, they were basically jordanians by race and culture, they should ve simply become part of jordan when they had a chance to do it

Then there's no such thing as Lebanon or USA. Lebanon was never a county-it was carved out of the region by French colonialsim and is so-called "Arab". Same w/ many cities and counties in the U.S.A.-their borders shift and names change-but again, ppl lived there. In Silver Spring, MD, you just live in a part of the county, Silver Spring has no true borders-look this up. Most of the countries of Europe are of recent invention, but you racists never seem to argue that those peoples don't exist, either. Palestine was an 'administrative entity' from 1920 to 1948, with laws, citizenship, currency, etc. It was also a state in the early iron age, and again during the Roman era. The Palestinians (or whatever you want to call them-people lived there) have the sociological markings of a unique culture: food, dialect, dance, and clothing. This comment means you don't seem to read or understand. I suggest you humble yourself and admit ppl lived there, are facing opression and expulsion, and it's all wrong. Start from there.

@@handsanitiser9832 no one refuted that Arabs lived in the British mandate of Palestine( and before that) so don’t try to conflate things to “win” a point. The quote clearly states the there was no such thing as a distinct Palestinian people. If you have a different interpretation of the quote, so be it.

​@@simonyyy5877 Again, going back to my point, you're actually wrong about that not just historically, biologically (DNA proves the real Arabs are in Yemen), but sociologically! I just explained to you "Arab" is an ambiguous term like "Latino". It's based on speaking a language. To say a Moroccan or Sudanese is the same as a Palestinians like saying Mexicans are the same as Venezuelans. It's an encompassing culture based on language. Nobody makes that argument if they think b/c it's frankly stupid! You're right-nationalism came after colonialism and being far from Islamic identity. The Muslim world is supposed to be one-the Muslims don't believe in borders btw,. That's why Palestinians identified w/ being from regions-those in Hebron-Khalil-have distinct accent/dialect and food, different from those in the north in Hitin, wherein their foods was heavily plant-based. Ask a second-generation Palestinian-Jordanian if they want to go back and you'll see the reponse. What is it you want, exactly? For Palestinians (or whatever you want to call them-under the Roman era and historically it referred to a region) to go to Lebanon b/c they speak Arabic there? You think it's easy to resettle people? Go ask the Americans wherein it takes generations for Mexicans to acclimate and settle. Why should they move an inch off the land of their ancestors?! This is a violation of human rights and nature! Every city, every region on earth has it's own co-culture and identity-whatever you want to call them! I don't blame you, b/c when we're repeated something enough times we believe it. My suggestion to you is to read about these people and their culture-understand who they are. You'll be on their side in no time, as others are. Very nice people-why advocate to let them suffer, right?

​@@simonyyy5877 Again, going back to my point, you're actually wrong about that not just historically, biologically (DNA proves the real Arabs are in Yemen), but sociologically! I just explained to you "Arab" is an ambiguous term like "Latino". It's based on speaking a language. To say a Moroccan or Sudanese is the same as a Palestinians like saying Mexicans are the same as Venezuelans. It's an encompassing culture based on language. Nobody makes that argument if they think b/c it's frankly stupid! Who cares if it's a state, territory, or whatever-people lived there! You're right-nationalism came after colonialism and being far from Islamic identity. The Muslim world is supposed to be one-the Muslims don't believe in borders btw. That's why Palestinians identified w/ being from regions-those in Hebron-Khalil-have distinct accent/dialect and food, different from those in the north in Hitin, wherein their foods was heavily plant-based. Ask a second-generation Palestinian-Jordanian if they want to go back and you'll see the reponse. What is it you want, exactly? For Palestinians (or whatever you want to call them-under the Roman era and historically it referred to a region) to go to Lebanon b/c they speak Arabic there? You think it's easy to resettle people? Go ask the Americans wherein it takes generations for Mexicans to acclimate and settle. Why should they move an inch off the land of their ancestors?! This is a violation of human rights and nature! Every city, every region on earth has it's own co-culture and identity-whatever you want to call them! I don't blame you, b/c when we're repeated something enough times we believe it. My suggestion to you is to read about these people and their culture-understand who they are. You'll be on their side in no time, as others are. Very nice people-why advocate to let them suffer, right?

That's the dumbest shit I've read today. You know your religion doesn't determine where you came from, right?

You lack understanding of the history of the region. Many PLs were once Christian or Jewish or other religions, even if they are Muslims today. Religion gets adopted, that does not mean they don't have a right to be on their land. Arabs did not magically appear, they were nomadic Semitic tribes that travelled back and fourth throughout the region (Middle East and North Africa) for thousands of years, even before they were called Arabs. They are not a monolith. PLs have DNA from ancient Semitic people, a lot more than Euro J's do.

muslims were not SETTLERS!!! muslims are local people WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM after the arabs invaded palestine and replaced the roman leadership with their own ======= there was no mass immigration of arabs from saudi arabia into palestine 1,200 years ago

The Mufti, Husseini, had fled to Germany under threat of arrest by the British govt for supposedly inciting riots - did you with hold that piece of information because you were deceived, or because you intended to deceive us? Hitler was on record as referring to Arabs as primates. Husseini fled to Germany before the holocaust, so he cant be blamed for that. Even Henry Ford wrote books for Hitler, and the Bush family ran banks for him. When Prescott Bush was tried for treason, he said, he didnt know Germany was going to commit a holocaust. Your claim that Husseini wrote letters urging anybody to force Jews into Poland as the holocaust was underway, is without any grain of truth also.

Thats so dishonest. The most prominent Palestinian family in your mind only. A, mufti of Jerusalem, run out of town by the British, sets up in Nazi Germany and is paid by Hitler. The worst of your dishonesty, is right off the bat, where you mock the esteemed academic and dishonestly summarize his statements. Its such a false argument. You imply that the academic is saying no Palestinian ever had a problem with Jews. One mufti turns out bad and you want to make that person the spokesman for all Palestinians forever. Hitler despised Arabs. You know that. There was no coming together of Islam and Nazism. Many people, the German people themselves, have been forgiven for Hitler.