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I’m sorry, 66 thousand pounds… what the hell is going on with these prices! She’s a looker don’t get me wrong, but 66K for a VW estate is just ridiculous. Love the videos Joe

It’s a shame it doesn’t have the 2.5 5 pot. Would have been nice to see that in an estate

There are second hand 2023 models in this same spec at main dealers with only 2000 miles for £45K. £20K depreciation in a couple of months and just 2000 miles !!! You’d be mad to get one new!

I was about to say 66k still buys you a 1 bed house in Bradford but then realised most people would still rather live in this car

Living here in the States, I never knew that VW even offered an estate version of the Arteon, and I’ve been a fan of the Arteon for some time now. It looks extremely sexy imo, and definitely has its own style that sets it apart from a majority of vehicles on the road.

the 6-cylinder BMW m340i + £6k in options looks a lot smarter than £66k on a 4-cylinder VW, that’s crazy money

Hey Joe, thanks for recently doing more videos and expanding the automotive universe on this channel. I loved this video as much as the second Honda FL5 one. Good job mate! Although your videos are a little lengthy, I remained. engaged and committed to hear your insights! Take care all.

Best review of this car I've seen so far on yt!

Great review. Thanks for sharing 👍

You've come a long way Joe! I remember watching you back when you had the Up!, Black M2, M135i (1st Gen) & 7 Series. Great to see your channel doing so well!

The VAG group should really start considering dropping the 2.5 5 pot in more cars. The RS3 is amazing don't get me wrong, but hearing the 5 pot howling in something like this would complete the menacing look it has.

I’m not surprised they’re discontinuing this in 2024, nobody with £65k to spend is going to buy a VW. It’ll depreciate like a falling star too. A shame really because as far as wagons go in terms of looks, this is up there with the best, for me it’s a phenomenal looking car. Great review Joe 👌🏻👍🏻

My Golf R 2018 estate has 610 litres of boot space and weighs 1500 kg. For a relatively small car it’s been designed well to maximise space and the boot isn’t compromised by the 4 wheel drive system. A good used one (newer than mine) can be had for less than half of this price. It’s not as pretty as this though. Thankfully it doesn’t have VWs newish non illuminated touch controls, I’m happy with dials.

I‘m driving one of these for nearly two years now and you are right about most things. My top priority was the space and although I might be biased, I think there is no other car on the market that has this much space in a similarly attractive shape. When driving it for over a week, you’ll start to get used to the strange feeling when turning in tight corners and it will honestly make sense. This car will go round sharp corners like hell with the sport steering and torque vectoring doing their magic. You did not mention the Nappa seats, which are a pleasure on long distances and even have massage function. Also, when putting the transmission in S while keeping it in standard sport mode, the exhaust will start making noises no one would expect from a car of this size. There is no fancy Akrapovic branding on the tips but god does this sound good. Still decent on the upshifts but when downshifting on high revs, the party starts.

They were talking about putting the VR6 in it originally and when they decided against it they nearly put the RS3 5 cyl engine in it…but Audi wouldn’t let them! Big Mistake in my opinion-that would have been the perfect engine for this car!

Love the vids Joe🔥 this looks like a beast😮

Great video Joe. Have you driven the Tiguan R yet? I've been looking at them for a while and looking at picking one up next year.

The only contender is Skoda Superb 280PS. It's 4x4, with many toys included - but it does not look as good. I have owned Superb 4x4 280PS for about 6 months now. I do remeber a year ago, when I was deciding if I should go Arteon R or Superb, I could not make my mind. Price difference was about 12%, so not massive. There were two reasons why I decided to go with Superb - first one (most important) was that Superb has phisical buttons for everythin, including aircon. Second - Superb is is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Yes, Arteon is looking fantastic, yes, it has 40PS/20Nm more (on paper because we all know that these engines come with some gifts from the factory) but the way the car handles is still nowhere near to BMW M340i, or as a matter of fact any BMW :). I am happy (-ish) with my Superb planing on some upgrades to make handling a bit better, and if I was to spend £65k - no way I would pay it for Arteon R.

The rear 3/4 view looks like a big 4 door Scirocco. Good looking car.

The new price is crazy but these are quite decent on the used car market. 43k in Germany while they’re easily 75k new… so in 3 years these will be fast performance bargains

Prices now are mental. I have just watched Tim talking about his latest Ferrari at £278,000 with £73,073 in (must have) options

I have to keep reminding myself you're a big chap because you really make the car look small whilst explaining how big it is :')

There's a reason you don't see many. It's because nobody in their right mind would pay £60k for a glorified 4 cylinder passat. These manufacturers are taking the piss with pricing!

I know you've driven the Octavia VRS but for a huge boot and rear legroom i'd suggest the superb with the ea888 4x4 drivetrain, was 280bhp on the outgoing model. Thats not claiming to have sporty handling and doesn't have a sporting submodel label like VRS, R or M (performance), both of which appeals to me more for a big practical car!

I don’t see why you’d get one of these over a 280 4x4 Skoda Superb estate.

I don't think the RS4 is a similar chassis, that engine is longitudinally mounted and transversely mounted in the Arteon, the Arteon is also really just a stretched out Golf, so there would have to be massive changes to the chassis to move to the RS4s, torsen based AWD system. As someone else said though, the RS3 2.5 5 pot would have been magic Excellent review as always.

Man! Can't wait for this in the U.S.!

Brilliantly objective video Joe! Totally agree on it not making any sense new… Even more so in France with huge CO2 tax on new cars. Cheers, Tom

You can actually pick up delivery mileage examples for sub £50k, also I think the biggest competitor for this car is the Golf R estate, which actually has a larger boot capacity.

Again you talk a lot of sense Joe - great honest review

I loved this when it launched a couple of years ago - it’s basically a take down Panamera Sport Turismo

60k for a 2L car is crazy

I would love to have these come to the USA , love wagons

Absolutely wonderful car, VW did a crazy good job designing this car. But 66k is just absurt. What the hell are these prices nowadays? That amount of money can get you much more

That car is dope. Have a VW they are great but get a good looking one like this.

I've miss read the title but I think Shopping break sounds appropriate.

Fantastic review, as always, Joe. We don't get these Down Under. Nice car for the money.

Always liked the VW Arteon!

One of the best looking estate's on the road . I thought that colour was called kingfisher blue

Lovely motor and at 37k for a 22 plate it's good value on the used market

the fourth generation ea888 in the Octavia RS has a smaller turbocharger and the internals aren't forged like they are on the R motors. the R engine also has an oil catch can system attached to PCV system to prevent carbon buildup. so yes, same engine code. but different engine.

Very balanced review as always. Personally, i dont even think it looks great but it's practicality perhaps makes up for that. That being said 66k is way too much. Id have a golf r estate and forgo the extra space!

That is one good looking car to be fair!!

See for the same price at this car you can get an approved used 2022 Audi A8 60 TFSI with 462hp barely run in. Staggering cars like this Arteon even sell at all despite being a great car.

About the power "issue" - this engine is known to produce about 420-500 hp when tuned up to Stage 1 and Stage 2.

Looks really nice especially the quad AMG-like tips but really needs more displacement and cylinders to justify that price. Its big yes but a Tiguan R with pretty much the same engine starts from £45k.

Beautiful car!

Current TCR owner, ex-VW dealer employee. When VW released this, it was known from the outset at being overpriced. That’s why there are only 307 on the UK roads which may also explain poor residuals. The customer base for interest in that sort of car isn’t large enough. Having owned a b8.5 S4 avant, if I wanted a large quick estate now I’d buy a 19 plate Leon Cupra R ST ABT for a smidge under 30k. All the power you need, not many on the road but enough to retain solid residuals, cheap to run and similar build quality. Or if you wanted badge snobbery, a Golf R is the same but in a posher frock. :-) After that then I’d consider an M340i wagon.

There is a 21 plate for sale in the same spec with 24000 miles for 35k..... Still under warranty from VW.....makes sense at that price

The price is rather high, but it’s a nice car. A colleague of mine just received hers in hybrid trim. In my country you can only get them funny equipped and the hybrid goes for €62000. Since it is a company car it needs to be hybrid and I didn’t like the 1.4. So in the end I went for the V60 T6 which is a bit more powerful (and expensive).

Got an r line love it

I had one of these (206-TSI R line because the R isn’t in Aus!) it was a nice car and it got a lot of compliments. The room is crazy! None of our SUV’s have come close in terms of rear leg space. I miss it sometimes, but then I remember all the things I didn’t like about it. 😫

as you say a great second hand option, 2 years old with

Every time I saw one of these on the road, I took a picture.🤣

Kicking the arse off 70k is bonkers - I appreciate it's got the options you mention but I wonder what people are able to get them for? I think many would opt for a Merc shooting brake and lose some performance.

about the price.. dont know about the UK but in Germany cars above a Golf are over 80/90 company leases without vat . Thats why they sell so many

Joe, how did u find the braking on this car. I'm not happy with the braking performance on mine.

Hi Joe, thanks for the video. Would you recommend this or the SEAT Leon Cupra estate 4x4 300 R ST? I remember your great video on that.

The steering wheel at 7:31 looks happy to be on camera 😂

Mega Design, nice Car

Couldn’t resist a peek into the classified. There’s a ‘23 plate, 2,500 mile R demonstrator for sale at £46k which was reduced to £44k by the time you reach the bottom of the Ad. Bumped into a guy who proudly showed me his, in blue, and he conceded that the MpG was horrendous if he pushed on.

Needs a 2.5 or 3L engine to really be worth it in all honesty as like you said in the video, if you have a full car with luggage it will feel a bit slow

My god... it is beautiful...

Even in this market, this car will depreciate massively. I’m thinking 8000 miles, 1 year old, £38k.

Nice, but my low mileage B9 S4Avant with a DMS remap offers RS4 numbers and was nearly 30 grand less!! (and I regularly get 37mpg or better on motorway runs)

…..it is a stand alone product. Kinda expensive? Maybe yes, BUT it’s different. Being different and big and fast, costs! Freaking great VW.

3:00 there is not rear aircon button? R version and there is not 3-zone aircon?

I look forward to your vids more than any of _your peers_ you know, the usual suspects. I'm so incredibly glad I didn't buy an Arteon R. My golf r was too good to be replaced by that car. _Then came the m240i_ . Joe is very much a part of my purchase choice.

Best car VW has made beside the GTI/Golf R and Euro Passat

A Passat B8 R-Line 2.0 TSI 270 estate can be had with the same mechanicals including 4-Motion for a lot less money, has more practicality with the variable boot floor and has the same performance. The Skoda Superb 2.0 TSI 270 estate also has the same mechanicals with 4-Motion, offers similar performance, much more space, more practicality and is significantly better value for money.

Joe sums it’s up perfectly insane money for this car.. If we went back 30 years these cars and more would never sell Clever marketing for lease deals is what’s caused these stupid prices Personally I buy 18 month cars cash and find I’m loosing a great deal

love it

Definitely has striking looks. The problem is that the price is Audi/BMW/Mercedes territory.

maybe a golf R estate would be more realistic? as a B8 Passat owner i'd love a drive..

Great. Another “not expecting that!” a video on KZfaq.

prices are out of hand everywhere, but damn it is really good looking and compelling, except for the price that is..

There is another option from Skoda which is about identical in size, and in my opinion, looks even better that the Arteon.. The Superb. In Romania, the 280hp model starts from 46k Euro :O And it comes witj 4x4 and the whole lot. I know where my money woul go - G20 330i rwd 🤣

60 grand! Thats used E53/E63 estate money and i know which i would buy. It also doesnt do the practicality as well as a Passat estate or indeed an E class. Ive got a 16 year old Passat estate and it has a 650 litre boot and 1650 litres with the seats down so im not sure why boot capacity seems to have got smaller over the years. The deal breaker for me even on the normal Arteon shooting brake is the lip between the boot and the back of the rear seats when theyre down. The Passat and S213 E class has a fully flat floor so does things even better.

please also mention the metric system in your videos...

If you can live with a lesser badge and less sleek looks, a Skoda Superb tsi awd has mostly the same mechanicals and even more practicality for a lot less money. Its a detuned engine but can be remapped back up to similar or more output for a few hundred quid

It looks nice, probably nice to drive, but for that price, you can get a GOLF R and 20k left over for your portfolio. Or better yet, a Merc GLB AMG 35 will do.

Nearly a £30k discount for a 1yr old car. My Lord. That’s what you’d get then take it to Revo and make even faster still! Lovely, but it’s still (as you say), a golf-level interior - it’s not an Audi/BMW standard. I had no idea it was so much more cavernous than my 5 series!!

Which North America, Canada and the U.S will not be getting again?

Just curious, did anyone choose Arteon R over BMW M340i?

The only thing, apart from the price, I don't like about the car are the rims, they seem too big and empty with those brake discs. I wonder how it'd look like with some thicker set of tyres

Looks decent

I wish we could get these in the US

…and the dash indicated 22.1mpg average over c4000 miles. Prices are crazy. There’ll be some serious depreciation to endure on new cars sold recently.

Capacitive buttons - just absurb to have on a steering wheel, IMO, or even in general on an automobile. Yeah our roads are shocking for sure, and cars these days, for me, seem poorly suited - either too stiff or too soft (actually underdampened). Over-stiff for "sporty" feel but for comfort cars they often go too soft and have weak dampers so on rebound from the major undulations our roads have the car end's up bouncing lessening control as well lending to too much body sway. For me i think supple springs with strong dampers would be my ideal. Older cars [from Patrick's favourite era] never seemed so bad, i can only assume that the higher weight & size of modern cars coupled with large heavy wheels and low profile tyres are just unsuitable for UK's roads (of course the roads have deteriorated too!). As for the Arteon, looks good, love the wheels & colour, way overpriced though. Run-flat tyres would contribute a lot to the road noise! Thanks for the review, Joe!

Its weird how this engine is also available in the sedan but only in an R-line package and not a proper R badge

It does look really good tho

A really pretty car. We don't get this car in the USA unfortunately.

Think the car makes much more sense with the bigger engine.

A shooting brake has only 3 door though?

But the Golf R boot is bigger, so how can it be a practical version?

I would almost swap it for my Mondeo!

Stage 1 map on it, would make it the correct amount of power

Is zf8 > vw dsg?

Gives me Porsche Panamera vibes when looking at it from the side.