It's all about the supply. Dry contact may be more flexible but this design is the most popular way lights are wired. They are made specifically for lights.

@@notenoughtech Would one more terminal that you could bridge to live or not depending on whether you wanted "dry" or "live" be so difficult to include as standard? I agree with @gerysteylaerts

Glad it was helpful!

Yes

Thanks. Look at jimihome tools on AliExpress

Flashing tasmota just to use matter makes very little sense if the device already works with matter

@@notenoughtech I completely agree, but it's a useful option for older hardware that's got an esp32 and doesn't currently support matter. And you can do a lot of other things with tasmota as well of course

But then you have just normal R4 that could be used with tasmota.

Only you cannot flash Tasmota to the MINIR4M

@@blakadders and will this be possible soon or are there technical issues blocking this? 🙂

To be fair, as Matter uses local mode, reliability of both depends on the radio being available. There is no real advantage from that standpoint. If your Thread hub goes down, things won't work, if your ISP fails but WiFi router works, you will still have the control

@@notenoughtech The difference is, that Thread builds a mesh network that becomes stronger (multiple paths and longer range) the more routers exist. Each mains powered Thread device is supposed to also act as a router. The Thread network also would change much less frequently than the WiFi network which would also contribute to better stability. That it uses less power is another benefit.

@GunterZochbauer WiFi can be meshed too. I have one at home. Realistically speaking a single 2.4GHz router covers most of the household with a single unit when it comes to range and bandwidth isn't an issue. The only advantage of thread is the low power operations that enable battery powered sensors. I'm not sure what you mean by WiFi change however. I didn't get that point. I'm sorry.

@@notenoughtech I have 3 APs (Unify 6 Pro, Unify 6 Mesh and a TP-Link and there are still areas in the house where Shelly's often don't get a connection. A WiFi mesh AP needs to be installed in addition to the smart home devices and they themselves need quite some power and are expensive. WiFi is just a poor choice for home automation except perhaps in a small flat where you don't expect to live for a longer time.

It's down to the circumstances. I get wifi at the carpark which is 30m away from the building. WiFi isn't inherently bad for automation. It's needed for cameras voice processing and often for interactive dashboards. Generalising that it's not suited for automation goes pretty much against what the world decided... and doesn't hold much water.

PM has the monitor which I like! :) Can't go wrong with either if I'm honest

There Is a version without neutral

It would be less than that. I can only measure an estimate of what my rated bulb is drawing vs what my meter was showing and I think that was like 0.6W - which isn't a massive factor considering that you are likely to have a 10W bulb installed (if not more)

You're welcome!

It's a problem with Matter at the moment where the protocol is not robust enough and manufacturers can offer extra features at the expense of using proprietary ecosystems

I believe you need a hub that supports matter, not necessary a sonoff one, but I may be wrong. I have the wifi mini r4, they work perfect with no hub

You will need a Matter hub (some alexa have it) then you won't need a sonoff hub.

yes, as switch no longer powers off the line, only sends trigger to the sonoff

I mean: 1. If I turn off the light using the wall switch, can I then turn it on using the mobile app? 2. If I turn off the light using the mobile app, can I then turn it on using the wall switch?

That correct

Id check the power rating as it may not be able to handle the current directly

@@notenoughtech The MiniR4M says that can handle up to 2400W, the towel warmer is 800W so It should be alright. The problem is if it can be set as thermostat this MiniR4M or it is only configurable for lights or sockets.

They are not dry contacts, check Shelly 1 Plus

I don't think there is a way to detach it currently via Matter. You can do this with ewelink app and skill integration

It's a little more complicated as the IC has to meet requirements to be matter compatible. Not all WiFi enabled chips are able to do this so this would be very device specific at this point

When clicked it would tell Alexa etc that it turned the light on without turning it on. You could like that event in routine I believe.

I haven't tried but if you want to mix and match brands best go with a custom coordinator

Ah pity. I was hoping you had the solution. Thing is, I have 42 hue lights and 1 led strip that had to be connected via Sonoff. Have it at least all now in my google home, but would be so nice if it just listens to my hue remotes as well 😂

You can hear the relay its not SSR

You can pair it again if you disconnect it from the ecosystem via software. Otherwise you need to press the button to pair it.

@@notenoughtech It wasn't paired before. The instructions says that after it gets power the Pairing mode is active (is it the same when I push the button on the device?).

It should be true only for limited time when device isn't paired to anything and powered up

For WiFi device.. ZigBee stuff usually reports even lower figures

I don't use home assistant. Nodered is my go to

It's a single channel relay, you need a dual channel to do it

Power delivery might be an issue in no neutral configuration when in standby

@@notenoughtech Agreed, the zbmini extreme is a good size for UK switches but a with neutral version which acts as a router (as many zigbee smart switches do) would be most welcomed

@@notenoughtech that's why we ask for a very with neutral :)

Bluetooth and Thread. Plus not all hardware will can support Matter over WiFi. Less of a case with something like a raspberry but I wouldn't be surprised to see all in a stick

All you need is a Matter compatible ecosystem (you won't need a hub as this is a WiFi device). You can add it directly to Google Home, Alexa or other Matter compatible devices

@@notenoughtechthanks alot for your responding, can this control more than 1 gang switch ?

You can link 2 inputs but control only a single channel. So one light or one group of lights

@@notenoughtech so this will not work with me if i have external switch with more than one gang , thanks alot

Not at the moment considering the matter support.

You can use them together via ewelink or skills

All good thanks. Hope you are well as well on the other side of the planet

It may suffer the same way the ZigBee did

It's a single channel relay with 2 inputs

The "no one cares" isn't really a reason. No one would care as long as the choice of matter devices is uninteresting. It's down to manufacturers to entice the consumers and make them care. This is the only way it's gonna work. Until the market is filled with matter enabled devices that consumers want to have... The burden is on manufacturing. If you already know about Shelly relays why not get it?

I use Home Assistant and I care about Matter

What security concerns have got your attention?

I love people who make accusations without substantiating them. Either come back and reply or erase your comment.

@@notenoughtech sharing extensive hue access to 3rd party is a security concern

@@superleggenda there you go

It's smart home. Sharing anything outside your local network IS a security concern. The question is only what are the benefits Vs trade offs. Integration with Alexa is a concern, voice processing in the cloud is a concern... List goes on and on. I'm yet to read a decent article about someone being seriously hacked thanks to backdoors in smart devices. (Other than malicious control take over of lights..) it's great to be security conscious but scaremongering isn't helpful