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Experiencing Death: An Insider's Perspective

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10 жыл бұрын

For millennia, human beings have wondered what happens when we die. What is the first-person experience of dying and being brought back to life? Technological advances in resuscitation science have now added an intriguing new chapter to the literature of "out of body" or "near death experiences" by eliciting detailed and vivid accounts of those who have approached the threshold of death. However we might seek to explain such phenomena, it is no longer tenable to simply dismiss this accumulating body of firsthand experiences. Can these experiences be explained through the lens of biology and neuroscience?
What can we learn from the transformative accounts of those who have crossed the threshold of death? How have their experiences affected their sense of self and identity? Join neurologist Kevin Nelson, psychiatrist Peter Fenwick, orthopedic surgeon Mary Neal, and emergency medicine expert Sam Parnia as they share some of these remarkable stories and discuss how they analyze such experiences in light of their own backgrounds and training.
New York Academy of Sciences
Wednesday, December 11, 2013
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@trishfitzpatrick2066
@trishfitzpatrick2066 4 жыл бұрын
As a nurse in a critical care area I was at a number of bedsides when patients "passed". In the middle of the night one sad patient went into cardiac arrest. A team arrived swiftly, she was given the traditional medications which strengthen heart function, intubated and connected to a machine to breath, jolted a number of times with increasing power... nothing. The ER doctor and I were resigned because this young woman was already in terrible health and by her own hand. She was a severe alcoholic with a very damaged liver. She lived on the streets in brutal weather surrounded by an unfeeling city. We had treated her a few times in the past... this was her last trip. I had a very new nurse under my wing that night. "Debbie" was a timid and nervous sort... at times I wondered why, for GOD'S SAKE she had chosen this kind of nursing. She was quite unnerved by this "code blue" but work is work. I instructed her in "death care" which was basically to clean the deceased, place in a paper shroud with a proper toe tag ID, and straighten the room in case the family arrived... not really expected in this case, though. Our sad young dead patient had long abandoned her friends and family. No one ever visited or called to ask her condition though we'd been caring for her a good long time. "Debbie" looked like she wanted to quit... hey, we ALL feel that way sometimes. But I handed her the "death pack" and literally shoved her towards the dark room. I, meanwhile, had to call the deceased's attending doctor to inform him of the ER doctor's death certification. No one wants to get a call at 2 am but the doc thanked me and then hung up to inform whomever was listed as the "next of kin". I put down the phone and started the endless paperwork. Twenty minutes passed and "Debbie" appeared behind me. I thought she had a question... she just stood there looking pop eyed. I actually had to shake her a bit to get her to talk. "She's NOT DEAD!!" "Debbie" was practically vibrating. Okay, "death care" is creepy. I told her to take a breath, sit down for a minute, and then GET THE DAMN JOB DONE!! But she wouldn't. She insisted that the patient was breathing. Right. People refer to it as a "death rattle" but the truth is very mundane. In a code, the lungs are much more inflated than in ordinary respiration. We're actually shoving air in under force. After death, the air is still present for quite a while and when you turn the person over, that air is forced up through the airway, producing what sometimes sounds like a gasp. But "Debbie" had my arm in a vise grip and she was dragging me into the darkened room. Alright, already! I marched "Debbie" up to the bedside. The patient was turned away so I took her shoulder and turned her flat. "NOW LOOK!" I directed "Debbie". And the deceased person opened her eyes and looked. I have NEVER been so shocked at anything as that. "Elaine" not only looked right at me but she blinked a few times. I stuttered something incredibly stupid like "How are you doing?" "Elaine" whispered clearly, "Okay". Oh shit. I ran out of the room like I was on fire and called the ER doc. I gave "Debbie" a savage look that directed her to stay with "Elaine" and very reluctantly she returned to the scene of our crime. HOW could we have missed this?!! While I was waiting on the phone, I was ripping through the chart looking for all the cardiac pattern printouts. There was NOTHING. The code had produced zero effect on the patient. There were forty minutes of what's called "agonal rhythm" otherwise known as "death throes" as the electrical function shuts down for the last time. NOTHING else. No breathing, no heart beat, and pupils non-reactive... in other words D.E.A.D. "What's up?" Yeah... BAD news doc. What do I do with an incorrect "time of death"? "WHAT THE HELL?!" He ran up to the ward with the same pants on fire urgency I had. Now, the two of us had to have a most unfortunate conversation about which of us got to call her attending doctor with this startling news. I refused. After all, HE filled out the death certificate. The attending was PISSED. Naturally, it was assumed that we had botched this and now HE had already notified the next-of-kin. They had to be UN-notified, so to speak. Ouch. What the hell were we supposed to do? This young woman was NOT a liver transplant candidate. Her system was in slow motion shut down for the weeks of her care. She had never regained consciousness after being found in an alley. There was no life path. None. I asked if we should try to start an IV or get O2 started. The ER doc was very kind and stood at the bedside asking "Elaine" if she wanted anything done. No. Nothing. We took turns sitting with her for the remainder of shift to monitor this startling situation. "Elaine" said she wished her family was there but I had no contact information beyond the "next-of-kin" and the phone number just rang without answer. Needless to say, this patient attracted A LOT of attention. People were respectful and quiet... "Elaine" didn't seem to mind. Then, they arrived. The family. "Elaine" did pass away later the next day. But the entire extended family and everyone who'd ever knew her it seemed waited patiently to sit with her. She talked with all of them but her strength was strained to the max and all visitors had to basically put their heads on the pillow next to her face as she whispered words of apologies and such. A funeral with a live guest of honor. Weird. When her time did come, she smiled at them all and closed her eyes with such a peaceful expression that it hushed the mob for what seemed an eternity. I've heard of Near Death Experiences. Perhaps it is just my desire to think it possible. But "Elaine" had been sent back for a mission. She got the job done. Clearly, she wanted to leave at the end. I never forgot her.
@carolv2161
@carolv2161 6 жыл бұрын
“Wizards and castles...?” NO. He’s pissing me off with his pompousness.
@mika22bballer
@mika22bballer 5 жыл бұрын
I will never understand how these people think they can speak about NDE when they have never experienced one. The Scientists who have, know there is something bigger happening here.
@daveoelke857
@daveoelke857 10 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@LuckSuomi
@LuckSuomi 10 ай бұрын
😊😊
@herminepursch2470
@herminepursch2470 10 ай бұрын
I don't like your question.
@ArjunLSen
@ArjunLSen 8 ай бұрын
Most scientists are committed to materialist reductionism. It has been essential to the science culture since Darwin and is in fact an informal article of faith. Few scientists are prepared to consider that consciousness can be INDEPENDENT of brain physiology. To do it would require a radical adjustment of what they think reality is. They just can't so it. Therefore the neurologists will defend the brain theory of consciousness to the hilt. In fact the Mind has been basically ignored since about 1920. For neuroscientists to think outside the book now would be self defeating. They are COMMITTED to the brain theory of consciousness regardless of any amount of high quality enormous data. That's a pity since anomalous data can be major paradigm shifters. Consider the discovery of the red shift in the light spectra of distant stars that eventually led to the Big Bang theory when supported by CMB radiation, another super important anomalous data.
@billt1954
@billt1954 8 ай бұрын
That’s a bit like saying you shouldn’t listen to a male doctor on the subject of pregnancy.
@mm669
@mm669 5 жыл бұрын
When I dream, I usually will dream about people in my life that are alive. Sometimes, I will have a strong dream with my deceased sister in it. I think it's telling that people that have near death experiences seem to only report encountering people that have died. They don't say my living husband or living child was there guiding me into the light. This is a big difference between dreams and near death experiences.
@addie8292
@addie8292 4 жыл бұрын
Those who doubt simply have not been given the gift of experience, including the gracious doctors on this panel. Dr. Mary Neal is the most eloquent on this panel as she KNOWS.
@daveoelke857
@daveoelke857 10 ай бұрын
Experience makes all the difference. If Kevin had an NDE or OBE he’d have a whole new outlook.
@JNeil1975
@JNeil1975 6 жыл бұрын
I'm glad the lady sharing her story is an educated surgeon........and they cannot treat her like she's uneducated.
@veronicaarchaga8306
@veronicaarchaga8306 5 жыл бұрын
I agreed with you
@joshuavan8391
@joshuavan8391 6 жыл бұрын
Thank God! Finally a debate where people can have a discussion without insulting each other and while they may disagree can be totally civil about it and not resort to insulting the oppositions intelligence.
@andreapearl2680
@andreapearl2680 4 жыл бұрын
Mr Kevin, I have proof that I died 11 minutes & 58 seconds. I have photos of my heart & medical papers. And that was in 2008! So, you are wrong. I also had a near death experience years before that. I went to Heaven, was healed. I still had to go to hospital both times, but did die & live again. GOD CAN & STILL PERFORMS MIRACLES!
@jyotibandagale1457
@jyotibandagale1457 3 жыл бұрын
It's true... I have experienced too, but a fool if spoke abt it
@louisianalady7105
@louisianalady7105 3 жыл бұрын
AMEN!! I had a similar experience! Heaven is BEAUTIFUL!!!
@BurntRaisinToast
@BurntRaisinToast 3 жыл бұрын
You weren’t dead, unless you’re now claiming to be some kind of resurrected messiah. Doesn’t your god call that blasphemy?
@noahjohns2257
@noahjohns2257 3 жыл бұрын
Did you see Jesus?
@jacquebarela6211
@jacquebarela6211 3 жыл бұрын
They are trying to help. That what you need to here.
@georgesmith4639
@georgesmith4639 5 жыл бұрын
Regardless of this debate on "clinical death" there have been people who came into operating rooms in cardiac arrest who had out of body experiences where the saw and later described detailed events in the hospital (such as staff coming into to a side room and posting a specific number of call-back post-it-notes on a board for the surgeon/ER doc to return. Those events were later confirmed by staff to have occurred exactly as described by the patient. The patient was never conscious on the operating table and even if they were they were not in a position to see what they described. Experiences like this were detailed by cardiologist Pim Van Lommel in his research.
@momszycat4148
@momszycat4148 5 жыл бұрын
Kevin is the kind of scientist that will never accept a theory he cannot measure. The brain function and the mind are separate. All you can measure is whether the brain has shut down,not where the mind(soul?) has gone.
@adrianbenedictmendoza6818
@adrianbenedictmendoza6818 10 ай бұрын
Scienticim..
@bridgettegumina9528
@bridgettegumina9528 3 жыл бұрын
I believe consciousness exists beyond the brain.
@shashankkothari8066
@shashankkothari8066 Жыл бұрын
Off course it does but it must need a medium. It's a process like fire 🔥. We can start the process called fire using different compounds as fuels. But we need some medium for fire to exist. Conciousness arises due to computation. Conciousness is a continuous feedback loop in the form of a recursive function.
@AnduinX
@AnduinX 10 жыл бұрын
I've heard of cases of terminal lucidity where people in their last moments are able to remember the names and faces of family members that they could not before, and hold coherent conversations again. I'd imagine death is much the same. I see the brain as a filter for consciousness, not the producer of consciousness, so when it goes, your true consciousness can be experienced.
@Raul61233
@Raul61233 7 жыл бұрын
The body, an ever changing sheath of energy, is destroyed and breaks off into its atomics while consciousness, not in time/space to begin with, continues.
@JanColdwater
@JanColdwater 4 жыл бұрын
I had an out of body/near death experience. What I gathered from that, you experience what you believe or lean toward from all the life experiences you've had. At the time, what I believed or thought about death once you died, your spirit would rest in your grave until the day of the rapture because that is what I was taught in Sunday school. Funny thing happened in my experience, my spirit was lying down behind my body that was sitting upright. I could see the back of the top of my head peaking out above the passenger seat. To the left in the driver's seat, I could see my friend at the time, facing me, crying. I couldn't hear anything. I could just observe. I felt nothing. No emotions about what I was witnessing. Without any outside prompts, or even wanting to, my spirit sat back up inside my body and then I became aware of my body and my other senses worked again. My friend had been crying because she thought for sure I was dead because there was no response from me for what seemed like over 5 minutes. I believe that my bodily functions ceased and somehow started again. I cannot say which happened first, body function working first, then spirit reuniting or, reuniting spirit with body causing body functions to return? From the experience, it felt like the later of the two. I can't be sure except to say that "I" was separate from my body. I believe what the lady was saying, it seems to me, death is when your spirit leaves the body.
@casmor08
@casmor08 5 жыл бұрын
i have never had nde . before i doubt there is such heaven and afterlife. but now i am 110% believer that there is life after death. i have read many testimonies from around the globe and im 100 percent convinced.
@TheBelilu
@TheBelilu 10 жыл бұрын
Ppl like 'neurologist' Kevin Nelson are proof that no amount of education or experience can produce intelligence,common sense in the individual, let alone result in useful knowledge. He went around in circles for over an hour, not once did he or anyone else on the panel bring up & discuss (give explanations for or against) the fact that many of these NDE'ers give detailed accurate descriptions of what was going on NOT just in that same room or building, BUT in another part of town miles away.
@maemae1752
@maemae1752 9 ай бұрын
I think it would be very interesting to have Kevin Nelson on stage with Eben Alexander to put his (Kevin’s) theories into perspective. You are right, no amount of education can produce common sense let alone wisdom. The one thing education does seem to produce with regularity is arrogance.
@samyango
@samyango 6 жыл бұрын
Kevin doesn't answer any hard question that is thrown at him and instead uses a politician's tactic of answer the question he wants. His avoidance of directly answering the questions show fearfulness or a discomfort with disclosures or transparency. He is alone in this panel in doing this repeatedly. This gives him the least credibility here among all other speakers regardless of their points of view.
@daveoelke857
@daveoelke857 10 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@rhiannon3452
@rhiannon3452 8 жыл бұрын
Maybe neurologist Kevin Nelson should have a talk with Neurosurgeon Eben Alexander.
@dankan1349
@dankan1349 8 жыл бұрын
Good idea....Alexander was all science too - this Kevin guy is so closed minded, very cynical being! It hurts to look and hear him!
@rhiannon3452
@rhiannon3452 8 жыл бұрын
Danka N You got it, darling! ;)
@ChefClary60
@ChefClary60 3 жыл бұрын
Sam Parnia is such an incredible Dr.
@craftshark3221
@craftshark3221 3 жыл бұрын
someone , long ago , had the answer I like the best ; ) - “Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” ― Marcus Aurelius
@semperoccultus1969
@semperoccultus1969 4 жыл бұрын
I had a really difficult time listening to the smirking neurologist with his patronizing, sanctimonious remarks about Elvis and half open eye lids to explain how people having NDE out of body experiences can see/hear things going on in other parts of the hospital and relay those conversations/actions later when they've been brought back.
@daveoelke857
@daveoelke857 10 ай бұрын
Me too! Lame answer.
@GaySingleMulatto
@GaySingleMulatto 7 жыл бұрын
The spirit leaving the body is not "faith", 15:41, it's fact. Proven, as in one case, by a patient who described a shoe on the roof of the hospital, at an inaccessible point, where she had not been; except during her out of body experience. Thus the finding, verified by the attending physician, was empirically verified. The whole point of NDEs is that the spirit is navigating the experience, in another dimension (thus seeing dead relatives; even those they didn't know existed i.e. siblings) spirit is not faith based. It is spirit.
@user-vy1es1ul1q
@user-vy1es1ul1q 7 жыл бұрын
Adrian Collins agree
@dejavu_4546
@dejavu_4546 6 жыл бұрын
that was a Maria's case i believe
@sidarthur8706
@sidarthur8706 5 жыл бұрын
as convincing as anecdotes like that might sound the possibility of literal out of body experiences has been actively tested and found to be a product of human imagination. there are messages written in spots that patients can't see from their beds and nobody who's reported having had an oobe has ever read them. there are lots of ways someone might know where a shoe is but it's extremely unlikely that someone could guess at written words without actually reading them, show me a case of out of body reading and i'll be convinced
@gabrielhebert2124
@gabrielhebert2124 5 жыл бұрын
adrian\\\ absolutely right you are sir ! the shoe on the hospital roof is adamantly a supreme proof that its all true, one has not have to say more, end of story, i'm convinced.
@daveoelke857
@daveoelke857 10 ай бұрын
@@sidarthur8706 If I found myself floating above my body, I wouldn’t be looking for cards with words printed on them. But patients have accurately recounted specific conversations of the doctors and nurses. And also of people far away from the operating room. Conversations later verified.
@waterdragon5418
@waterdragon5418 4 жыл бұрын
In order to fully understand a near death experience, you have to experience it first hand. It's beyond this physical plane. It feels like home, so much so that I liken it to walking in the desert for three days then finally getting a cool large glass of water. Most do not want to return. The love is like nothing on this planet. For reference it's like a mother falling in love with her newborn babe times ten. The light is undescribable, it is the brightest light ever seen, yet doesn't hurt your eyes. Communication, if you are greeted by other beings, and most are, is telepathic. This type of communication is much more efficient and concise. Is it real, a dream, a hallucination? NO. No exceptions. It is more authentic than your everyday life by far. Recall 20 yrs later is extremely detailed. Every cell in our body knows when death is approaching, when it is a slow death. I believe the consciousness governing each of these cells holds the NDE memory as well, not the brain. Scientists: check into that "JUNK" DNA again. The physical pain is gone. Many people have had more than one NDE in this lifetime. Upon return, many people experience an absolute change in perspectives which is commonly noted as a change in personality. They return with fully developed extra sensory abilities..... NDEs live in the space where science and spirituality meet. Hope this helps.
@herminepursch2470
@herminepursch2470 10 ай бұрын
You explained it better than I Have ever heard?
@ChristineFisher123
@ChristineFisher123 9 жыл бұрын
It is only once you have had a personal experience, as I have, that the mind is truly opened on this kind of topic.
@tommydlmartinez77
@tommydlmartinez77 10 ай бұрын
I had a near death experience. I saw myself floating upward into the heavens. I was being called by my grandma. I remember I felt blissful. I was so happy. I was going to join my grandma. It was a warm feeling. Suddenly I heard the words "you're not ready". Immediately I was slammed down back to earth. I woke up with strangers hovering over me.
@charchar4907
@charchar4907 4 жыл бұрын
Dr Eben Alexander should be included in this panel.
@lewimcpherson9276
@lewimcpherson9276 4 жыл бұрын
I had a life review, i was only 8 and never knew about it, nor was programmed with anything before hand.
@nooshinnojaba2305
@nooshinnojaba2305 3 жыл бұрын
I am still researching and need to prove to myself that NEDs are absolutely real. One question I have from scientists who doesn't belive in life after death is if NEDs are created by brain, why all of the experiences are almost the same and are spiritual and not about other subjects?
@davide724
@davide724 5 жыл бұрын
I believe knowing the nature of consciousness has the potential to change everything.
@tommythegunn1020
@tommythegunn1020 6 жыл бұрын
The reason why athiest also have nde is because it dont matter if you believe it to be true to be true.
@Jimmyjewels
@Jimmyjewels 10 жыл бұрын
some truths are beyond the ego and doctors are full of ego.
@davidwaynechoate8059
@davidwaynechoate8059 4 жыл бұрын
Just like the old saying , I once saw My entire Life flash before My eyes in a fraction of a second. Every thing I had ever said , thought , or felt. It was not like a deja' vu where you forget , and then doubt the experience a few minutes after. This was when I was around twelve yrs. old. I almost fell off of a hundred foot high bridge. It was incredible.
@anamorrawska5462
@anamorrawska5462 6 жыл бұрын
Ok, so the reason why we see in there dimensions and why we hear people talk in other rooms is because our eye lids are half opened during cardiac arrest. Who let that half wit on that panel?
@John_Longbow
@John_Longbow 5 жыл бұрын
"For millennia, human beings have wondered what happens when we die." Is it possible to test it closer? " Yes, but we can't get funding and it is unethical " The 2 most important questions imo, is what happens when we die and if we are alone in the universe. I am sure there are heaps of people in palliative care who would jump at the opportunity to help solve one of those questions for science. I know i would. But hey, let's just continue to spend billions around the world to figure out new ways to kill eachother.. The world is truly messed up.
@joeshmo4929
@joeshmo4929 8 жыл бұрын
NO MR NELSON, THERE AREN'T ALOT OF WAYS TO EXPLAIN HOW BRAIN DEAD INDIVIDUALS CAN TELL PRECISLY TELL WHAT HAPPENED 200 MILES AWAY TO THEIR BROTHER AT A CERTAIN TIME, OR DOWN THE HALL, OR ON ANOTHER FLOOR OR BEHIND A VEIL ! AND IF OUR BRAIN CELLS START TO ERUPT THEN WHAT KIND OF COHERENT THOUGHT TAKES PLACE THEN ?
@dafreshest420
@dafreshest420 8 жыл бұрын
+joe shmo we are the same consciousness outside of this body
@joeshmo4929
@joeshmo4929 8 жыл бұрын
Charlie Day 100 % BROTHER ! WITH A WHOLE LOT MORE INFO AND POWER TOO.
@purpleflametarot39
@purpleflametarot39 4 жыл бұрын
Kevin needs to speak to Eben Alexander, a highly respected neurosurgeon who was not a believer either prior to his experience.
@sharonking6289
@sharonking6289 5 жыл бұрын
Trying to prove a NDE or an OBE is like trying to prove Love. The only data that I see missing here is the countless NDE's people come forth and report. Not one person who's reported having a NDE says they are not real. But many people who've never had the experience of a NDE will tell you that they are NOT real. funny how that works.
@MarianaLudmila
@MarianaLudmila 10 жыл бұрын
Why don't you put together the neurologist to debate with Eben Alexander, renowned academic neurosurgeon, who happened to experienced a NDA. I Would love to see that!!!
@lookup.3047
@lookup.3047 8 жыл бұрын
I'm all for science and empirical evidence but it's important to have an open mind when you can't prove that is real but you can't prove that is not real either.
@spicymchaggis6581
@spicymchaggis6581 8 жыл бұрын
Very true! But people will bring up the whole "flying spaghetti monster" argument (unicorns, sasquatch, take your pick). Ultimately, what that boils down to is a reductio ad absurdum ("reduce to absurdity" - think political exchanges) fallacy. It's amazing how many "educated" people use it as the premise of what they think is a legitimate argument against the whole "can't prove, but can't disprove" thing. Socrates may have said it best: the only true wisdom is knowing that you know nothing.
@timberdome6482
@timberdome6482 7 жыл бұрын
+ Spicy McHaggis So true.
@_example
@_example 6 жыл бұрын
Sam's input should have been solicited much more than it was. Sam's research in this subject is at the forefront. Kevin's is not. He's simply just a neurosurgeon and a skeptic. Why does Kevin get most of the speaking time. He should not.
@missapk
@missapk 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best panel discussions I've heard. Great moderating, high quality panel, respectful and insightful discourse.
@ahashdahnagila6884
@ahashdahnagila6884 3 жыл бұрын
The brain "flatlines" about 3 seconds after the heart "flatlines". What does that mean? It means that the patient is dead: not almost dead, but dead!
@TylerNorth
@TylerNorth 8 жыл бұрын
I hate this Kevin character so much. He's a villain. He makes these condescending faces that immediately discredit his contribution to the discussion (2nd guy from the right)
@freshimpactco.8698
@freshimpactco.8698 7 жыл бұрын
There are many aspects of our existence which I believe science just can not cover due to the very nature of what science is.
@sidarthur8706
@sidarthur8706 5 жыл бұрын
what, an evidence- based approach to gathering knowledge?
@AmericanTestConstitution
@AmericanTestConstitution 8 жыл бұрын
Unless you're in a shit ton of pain, I say avoid death at all costs.
@BrianThomas
@BrianThomas 8 ай бұрын
There has been a report of a man being dead for 3 days and coming back. He had a lot to say.
@ThePhysics1234
@ThePhysics1234 7 жыл бұрын
what part of " seeing through walls " did the guy miss.
@lorrainemerry8661
@lorrainemerry8661 4 жыл бұрын
Whether it is a NDE or an OBE it proves that soul or consciousness does leave the body.
@bkehlin
@bkehlin 6 жыл бұрын
It's strangely funny how people that actually have OBEs directly or indirectly, can understand and explain them better than scientists & neurologists.
@Doriesep6622
@Doriesep6622 5 жыл бұрын
As a writer, I think I can discern via detail they include, that they are telling the truth. That Eben Alexander guy seemed phony and come to find out, he was.
@herminepursch2470
@herminepursch2470 10 ай бұрын
It is the truth
@zaiga2995
@zaiga2995 4 жыл бұрын
People like Kevin Nelson should participate in his field of interest, here people keep an open mind even if they lack experience.
@cloversluck8573
@cloversluck8573 4 жыл бұрын
I also did not want to come back when i died.
@allafleche
@allafleche 6 жыл бұрын
46:28 busted ! It's amazing how people can deny reality because it is in conflict with their belief. This guy is clining to an obvious false fact because it's the last thing that can save him from admitting his worldview is wrong.
@jeanvanjaarsveld6124
@jeanvanjaarsveld6124 Жыл бұрын
Only those who had nde would understand! It's for real. I know mine was.
@louisnjulie1685
@louisnjulie1685 3 жыл бұрын
Kevin "know-it-all" Nielsen isn’t the only person with a degree in the room. He should let others voice their experiences. He can’t explain why so many who come back from physical, mental & spiritual departing from the body or death have their lives, their opinions, their tastes & even their spiritual beliefs completely changed. And this has happened to people who were anywhere from nominally religious to staunch atheists. Many "experts" will take a point of view based on their own religious prejudices so as to FIT their personal prejudices against God.
@puresprice
@puresprice 4 жыл бұрын
Mary says she remembers her NDE, just as so many others have, as if it happening in the present tense, not as a memory or recollection from the past. This makes me wonder if this has something to do with being outside of time-- b/c once ur out of the 3rd dimension & out of ur body, no longer in the physical plane, ur outside of time... & being that linear time is just a human construct created to reduce entropy, everything is actually happening all @ once.....past , present & future are all one.
@charlottebruce979
@charlottebruce979 4 жыл бұрын
I think the reason why there are cultural differences in the NDE experience is because a familiar place or experience would be far far greater and more profound than somthing that doesn't feel like 'home' it has to be true to who you are.
@michaelmccullough7309
@michaelmccullough7309 3 жыл бұрын
I experienced a death and obe. I was in the room watching my infanticidal mother hold my lifeless body . There was a pale tall dark clothed person? Who seemed to be waiting . Only visible to me .
@rhiannon3452
@rhiannon3452 8 жыл бұрын
Mary Neal is the only one worth listening too.
@susie76100
@susie76100 3 жыл бұрын
The experiences of people like the lovely spine surgeon are happening all over the world. Trying to concentrate on a scientist explaining and linking rem sleep somehow sounded like a clanging cymbal. Science/spirituality as a joint approach must be the new frontier.
@jennifermitchell7182
@jennifermitchell7182 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to speak to these people and give my testimony of what I experienced because mine was not the stereotypical experience at all. I also have experienced a coma, many out of body experiences and various other things they speak of and none of these were what I experienced when I died.
@sahm7899
@sahm7899 6 жыл бұрын
The neurologist is going to have such a surprise when he dies.
@JDH213
@JDH213 10 жыл бұрын
Kevin: "when you speak to human experience you are speaking about the brain." The problem with this statement is that the very science he is representing has come nowhere close to providing evidence that this is true. There is in fact much evidence to support the idea of non locality of the mind. The research done to indicate this, despite having been peer reviewed and published is often referred to as "woo", known as the battle cry of the materialist experiencing cognitive dissonance
@maha77
@maha77 10 жыл бұрын
why do so many NDE shows have to have a skeptic on it to argue everything? its kind of annoying and not necessary and he is dead wrong pun intended. asking his opinion is like asking someones opinion of India who has never traveled there.
@rabiariaz2112
@rabiariaz2112 3 жыл бұрын
Its understandable why the interviewer focused on Kevin's opinions so much... the other panelists pretty much agreed with each other while presenting variety of point of views but Kevin was the skeptic among them presenting the materialistic interpretation of these experiences. It was an interesting discussion.
@lorrainemerry8661
@lorrainemerry8661 4 жыл бұрын
I love Peter Fenwick. I've got his book The Art of Dying. Brilliant book. The lady's NDE is amazing too.
@theodoredamron3487
@theodoredamron3487 7 жыл бұрын
The lady spoke "Truth ", that word "Science" needs to be held in check. SCIENCE Is NOT ALL THAT IS, ONLY TRUTH "IS"!!!
@Anon-xd3cf
@Anon-xd3cf 6 жыл бұрын
Theodore Damron I'll tell you what annoying is... SHOUTING YOUR OPINIONS IN ALL CAPS
@bodhisattva4080
@bodhisattva4080 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like it’s the blue light and no reception for Kevin😄, shame. I have also had an experience somewhat similar to those spoken of here. Whilst in my bathroom and about to take a shower the much talked about radiant light appeared before me and the overwhelming, all encompassing love enveloped me. The experience lasted maybe a couple of minutes. I was not ill, was in a great place in my life, did not faint and had never heard of such experiences before. During the event I felt completely ‘at one’ with everything. The event completely changed my life. Incidentally I was in no way religious prior to the event and am still not however I would now describe myself as deeply spiritual. Mary’s point about her event being completely different do any other experience she has ever had is something I can completely connect with. I believe that during these events the ego is dropped and there is no judgement of the event leaving only the truth of what happened. When I recall this story to people it is as if the event was happening now despite it being some 5 years ago. The sense of realism is as fresh today as it was then. In many ways it was the most real thing I have ever experienced. Just an observation of the participants in this discussion. 3 of the 4 guests have a quality about them which is relaxed, still and courteous throughout. 1 is quite different however. Their body language is far more animated and at times they even smirk almost to the point of laughing at the others comments. These are all signs of the ego, something which lessens with spiritual maturity. I appreciate that this video was uploaded some time ago however Eben Alexander’s A Neurosurgeons Journey Through the Afterlife addresses the issue of wether consciousness exists when the brain is completely dead. Very entertaining video. Thank you.
@kcmsmith31
@kcmsmith31 6 жыл бұрын
Dr Mary is the only honest one on this panel. The rest are so condescending. I’m very grateful that my physician is not this full of himself
@anthropocene-
@anthropocene- Жыл бұрын
According to the law of conservation of energy, energy neither be created nor be destroyed but just transformed from one form to another. I lost my father today but i know that not a bit of him is lost. He is just less orderly. His consciousness cease to exist. This scientific perspective on death made me accept that death isn't something to be feared but just an inevitable part of life.
@Molinfelx
@Molinfelx 6 жыл бұрын
I like Dr Sam Parnia so much.
@grammajo1889
@grammajo1889 4 жыл бұрын
Those who will not listen, can not hear. What an ego this Mr. Nelson has. What he knows is his truth and he refuses to believe anything else.
@adrijdin
@adrijdin 7 жыл бұрын
Kevin Nelson does not adequately explain the phenomenon of being able to report what was being said in another room. He totally sidesteps it by suggesting that the supposed physiological response of eyes opening during cardiac arrest (which Sam Parnia denies as being commonplace) could allow for people in that state to see things that one might assume they could not see in that state. In other words, he can't explain the original phenomenon so he won't even talk about it. I see this all the time with skeptics! One more point: he drags out C Sagan's "extraordinary claims" quote (upon being asked what it would take to convince him that consciousness is not a product of the brain) as if it is the ultimate silencer of any claims that run contrary to the materialist assumptions of the modern day scientific paradigm, but what he ultimately fails to acknowledge (as do most skeptics that rely on that quote) is that 'extraordinary' is an unscientific term that means different things to different people. I don't feel that a reasonable human being could deny that what Mary Neal experienced and talks about so eloquently here is absolutely extraordinary...yet personally I'm not convinced that the NDE can be fairly evaluated using current scientific methods. So what I almost wish he'd admit is that there will never be evidence to satisfy him.
@Historian212
@Historian212 7 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. Her voice was so important, particularly because she was under the water for so long, and because she was so clear about what was happening to her body. I appreciate her steadfast insistence that there is something that continued despite the length of her body's immersion. No one addressed it, most likely because they couldn't without calling her a liar.
@kogazor
@kogazor 7 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly put. Of course Kevin dodges it, because he cannot answer it and at the same time, cannot let go of his belief system and adapt his reasoning to new data, which is precisely what science should be about. That's why I toroughly enjoy (real and honest) open debates on any subject as fallacy and bullshit can get exposed. We should have more of them rather than the usual scripted propaganda.
@timberdome6482
@timberdome6482 7 жыл бұрын
+Adri D Bang on, well said.
@chrisb3927
@chrisb3927 7 жыл бұрын
There is saying where I coming from: "The worst blind is the one who doesn't want to see". Adri D, your comment makes a lot of sense.
@richgowell7166
@richgowell7166 7 жыл бұрын
Brilliant comment, as are the followups. The materialist orthodoxy is on doddering legs, but it won't fall gracefully.
@jackmaverick5481
@jackmaverick5481 7 жыл бұрын
I wish I could talk to these people because I have been having OBEs since childhood and now I am 62 years old and boy oh boy do I have some interesting experiences to share about some of my weird experiences with space and time while being out of my body.
@unleashedfamilyvlogs5499
@unleashedfamilyvlogs5499 6 жыл бұрын
Mr Quark share .... I want to hear some !!
@thomasmcintosh8811
@thomasmcintosh8811 6 жыл бұрын
Mr Quark I would love to hear some by no means am I discrediting your experiences I have family members that I trust with everything I love that have had these experiences, would love to hear more -thomas
@Doriesep6622
@Doriesep6622 5 жыл бұрын
I used to have them but have lost the skill. I don't know why.
@sasquatch2999
@sasquatch2999 9 жыл бұрын
The most salient issue was only discussed for a minute or two: verifiably accurate evidence. What about Pam Reynolds and Al Sullivan's accurate reporting while their eyes were covered! Even their doctors vouched for their testimony. Why is this not pressed????
@john1cheree
@john1cheree 4 жыл бұрын
When a baby is born still, not living, The baby in my view did not receive a spirit!. A spirit is that spark of life that makes people alive.
@mistygroves3503
@mistygroves3503 5 жыл бұрын
I have not had an NDE but have had very many out of body experiences, and none of them took place during syncope (fainting) I must say, Kevin's dismissive smirking in the background, about anything with which his version of reality doesn't agree, almost seems like a kind of nervousness...
@NN-rn1oz
@NN-rn1oz 5 жыл бұрын
How does Kevin explain the out of body experiences in which the patient accurately sees things from a vantage point above the events?? Does he really think it's lucid dreaming?? Does he not know the difference between dreaming and reality?
@Raul61233
@Raul61233 9 жыл бұрын
One of the good physicians (who holds the NDE as a "physiological" experienceshould recall the growth of the human fetus. Long before a brain begins to formfrom primitive cells, there is a heart beating in the fetus. Did the non-existent braincause the heart to beat? The answer is that consciousness is not an aspect of the human body. It is far beyond that. Consciousness is also not limited to this dimension.
@TheNobleLoyalist
@TheNobleLoyalist 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent point!!
@neddyladdy
@neddyladdy 8 жыл бұрын
+Raul daSilva This dimension? Which dimension were you pointing at?
@blackertheberrytv7471
@blackertheberrytv7471 6 жыл бұрын
This dude does a piss poor job explaining knowing what is said in other rooms when you're under cardiac arrest
@fretplec5326
@fretplec5326 6 жыл бұрын
The Pam Reynold's case shows the brain being removed from the equation and she knew things she could not have known whilst effectively dead....
@reneeoc9796
@reneeoc9796 3 жыл бұрын
Consciousness is not contained solely within the brain.
@robinglass7743
@robinglass7743 4 жыл бұрын
I been out of my flesh it is real and amazing
@pdworld3421
@pdworld3421 3 жыл бұрын
Why is it that people who have near death experiences always see people who have passed away and never see people who are still alive?
@jaferguson49
@jaferguson49 6 жыл бұрын
Life after death could very well be defined as an eternal dream state. We get a 'taste' of 'heaven' each night when we dream. May be why we tend to forget our dreams so quickly upon waking.
@graememudie7921
@graememudie7921 7 жыл бұрын
It's amazing the sh*^e some people talk when they are determined to disprove NDE accounts.
@julieyeaman51
@julieyeaman51 7 жыл бұрын
That Kevin person is very condescending all he can talk about is rem dreaming. He is entitled to his opinion though, but to the people who have these experience it is very real I think it depends on your beliefs at the time you die, as to what happens when you cross over. I do believe in a life after death, scientists I think can't prove or disprove weather consciousness survives after death
@ande1718
@ande1718 9 жыл бұрын
Why should they be the same? "Normal life" is extremely different for each of us.
@dmhfrou2130
@dmhfrou2130 9 жыл бұрын
Now, the big question is: if the NDE is real and there is a possibility of a person to retain consciousness even when the brain is not appropriately functioning (for that kind of conscious activity), then *how* the information is gathered and retained to permit it to be re-utilized / remembered by the person after the NDE finishes?
@ryanashfyre464
@ryanashfyre464 Жыл бұрын
Pardon me for doing this, but I'll answer your question w/ another question. How does a person remember anything at all? Can science specifically point to anything in the brain and say that *that* is where a fixed memory is? No, it cannot. All it can say is that we have certain correlations in the brain that seem to do w/ memory, nothing more. If, however, memory exists outside the physical brain, then your question is no different than asking how we remember anything at all.
@josephcooper171
@josephcooper171 10 ай бұрын
​@@ryanashfyre464Ever heard of dementia?
@SylvainFredericNahas
@SylvainFredericNahas 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you for pointing that to us! You're right, when published it gonna be huge.
@nicmarko9180
@nicmarko9180 4 жыл бұрын
Couldn't listen past 16:20 or so when the guy wearing a sweatshirt under his jacket started getting rude with Mary.
@sauntersway3980
@sauntersway3980 4 жыл бұрын
I knew a guy, that woke up in a body bag. He was hit by an 18 wheeler, on a motorcycle.
@taergehtsiram
@taergehtsiram 10 жыл бұрын
I loved this! I especially enjoyed how it didn't turn into a debate. The tone was wonderful as each colleague presented his/her informed viewpoint. Everybody allowed the other to speak and nobody seemed bent on being RIGHT. It raised more questions than answered and it really stimulated my curiosity on this topic. I would enjoy this same style of video, on a variety of other topics as well. Great job.
@fredfender8272
@fredfender8272 8 жыл бұрын
Isn't Dr. Pim van Lommel's research the gold standard with regard to objective study of NDEs?
@faithhope4480
@faithhope4480 4 жыл бұрын
The proof is not just the people that have had the "near death experiences", BUT those who did not, and had experiences prior to learning of a loved ones death, those can not be explained. What about when we have experiences (signs) that can not be explained after our loved one has passed? How can that be explained? There is more to us than some want to admit, more than some of us realize, we don't really know ourselves like some would like us to believe. ~peace to all
@frankgeeraerts6243
@frankgeeraerts6243 4 жыл бұрын
Bye bye kevin ..........................you're stuck in the prison of the material paradigm .
@LBVesper
@LBVesper 10 ай бұрын
Sam tried the entire discussion to bring clarity to terms..Finally only 57 minutes in he makes the key statement. It was as simple as near-death vs actual death experiences. They are drastically different but we have compiled a bunch of very different things under an umbrella of common terms which has created a lot of massive confusion over the issue. Sam is absolutley correct. There is life/consiousness AFTER death medically and there are a lot of bizzar things that happen when one is NEAR death. Further he is correct that most studies because they have failed to establish whether or not someone was either "near" death or truley "after" death in their experience such as Mary Neele's, are now very limited because as it turns out that is a critical piece of data for our studies on the matter.
@fab60s64
@fab60s64 6 жыл бұрын
plus there is Astral projection where the body is not asleep when this takes place .in my 20s i had a obe and it does change the way you think in many ways
@cosmicone2135
@cosmicone2135 5 жыл бұрын
The eldest man is the WISEST listen to him
@phillipsolesky2677
@phillipsolesky2677 10 жыл бұрын
I used to be of the scientific atheistic mind, but I can honestly say that science is so far behind we'd never get to know who we really are if left to them.
@Brian.001
@Brian.001 5 жыл бұрын
There is a lot of unnecessary confusion generated by the term 'near-death'. Defining the 'point of death' in this context seems unproblematic. It is the point at which the brain ceases to function. If experiences occur after that point, they occur independently of the brain. They are then defined as 'after-death' experiences, rather than 'near-death', but they are the point of the inquiry.
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