I'm glad you enjoyed that part, I was anxious that I wasn't treating the moment right. Glad to know the jokes were still capable of hitting!

@@NovemberJoyDeadpan humor/levity nearly always gets the benefit of the doubt? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rdKKgZdqzKiYoIU.htmlsi=URHshv0FCxOxspWZ

oh hi noelle

snowgrave moment

I can only imagine. Hikiko, on the other hand...

That was part of the idea - that, and following it up with saving the world instead. Glad you enjoyed it!

Saving the world is the easy part, too.

Funnily enough, we couldn't afford armor but we could afford dozens upon dozens of potions...so I guess our band of jobless wanderers has a drinking problem, huh?

That was more early 2000's lol

And that's why voting matters.

Oh right, that does work! I think I'd read that one before, but never actually tried it. Would've made things a whole lot easier in that fight! Thanks for the suggestion!

I will have to try this ! 🌊🐚🪸🦈🐡 ✨🧙🏼‍♂️🪄✨ 💀💀💀

Yeah, it's the strategies and new ways of playing the game that really make a challenge run worthwhile. Hopefully you'll enjoy the rest as well!

...You know, you're kinda right. Must be embarrassing to be defeated by nudists.

Why am i suddenly thinking about Let me solo her?

This is still my favorite take on the job system. It nails a lot of things, ranging from being able to mix and match abilities to giving almost every job some good utility and/or damage to rely on, but the thing I think it does best is being able to swap your build on a whim. In Bravely Second, I picked up a mage asterisk later in the game and I basically can't use it unless I grind several job levels because it can only use the first-level spells even if you have it as your current job. Meanwhile in FF5, if you want to use magic you can just become a mage and you have access to every spell from that category at the cost of low HP and physical stats alongside worse equipment options. Gaining job levels in FF5 feels more like a reward for using the class that you can carry to other classes as opposed to Bravely Second where it feels like a necessary chore just to be able to use the class in any effective capacity. Thanks for coming to my TED talk, and hope you enjoyed the video!

@@NovemberJoy I only have two genuine complaints about FF5's Job system: Red Mage and Dragoon. And they aren't so much complaints about the job system and more about the jobs themselves. Red Mage is a decent job in the early game, but falls off harder than a motorcycle into the grand canyon, which REALLY isn't good if you're doing a Four Job Fiesta and didn't roll White Mage or Black Mage. Otherwise, the only reason to use Red Mage is to get Dualcast, which isn't even good ON Red Mage because they can only cast level 3 white and black magic. So during a FJF you'll just stick them with an enhancer or grind staves of light in world 2 for three hundred hours because that's the only way they can do decent damage otherwise. Dragoon, on the other hand, suffers from "The Devs thought this was going to be too good" syndrome and, as a result, CANNOT HOLD SPEARS IN TWO HANDS. You know... like how spears are often held. I get maybe if the reigning thought was "If we have them able to hold them in two hands they'll just equip doublegrip and do exclusively that", because yeah, players would absolutely exclusively make dragoons have doublegrip. Because SPEARS SUCK! And with a lack of ability to do their thing well because jumping requires a spear to do double damage (which is apparently a different thing than double battle power), they are literally just a worse Knight who can't do damage outside of whatever abiliity you saddle them with. Thank YOU for coming to MY TEDx talk, and yes, I am very much so enjoying the video ^^

Faris always main carry.

I really like FF5, so I wanted to make a video about it even if it's not the most popular entry in the series. Maybe I'll get to some of the others someday?

Them blue mages might be worth your while should you decide to do another video on this game.@@NovemberJoy

Blue mages trivialize the game

I absolutely love FFV. I have a vivid childhood memory of playing it with my little brother on the anthology disc with FFVI, on a playstation in a hotel room. We were evacuating from a hurricane so basically trapped in a hotel room for several days, but we remembered to grab the PS1. I don't remember if we finished the game but I remember loving the way the job system was implemented in FF5.

Oh yeah, you can hit it with Break! I totally forgot about that. I don't think it's a 100% chance, but if it is possible then it would've been worth a try!

Break on Grand Cross has saved my ass a few times with difficult party compositions and low levels. Doesn't always work but if you can land it before the forst Grand Cross hits, it makes the rest of the fight so much more comfortable

It was pretty funny too, on top of that.

I kinda stumbled onto that solution while experimenting, but I'm glad you enjoyed it so much! It was definitely not the way I was expecting to fight Omniscient, but it worked all the same!

Legit some anime fighting level shit 😂

It did take a much longer time to beat, that much is certain. Glad you enjoyed watching the final product!

Not only circumvent its primary system, but also circumvent the need to use four out of five equipment slots! I'd say the sheer number of tools it gives you is FF5's main strength.

Like a Dragon 7 and 8? Literally same concept and also jrpgs

@@xbon1 Oh, good to know! I'm not very familiar with JRPGs as a whole.

That was part of the joke I was going with, yeah. Glad you enjoyed it, I was hoping people would enjoy it even if they weren't fans of Final Fantasy! On a side note, I wasn't aware of Yakuza: Like a Dragon having that premise. "Ichiban" could've been a good name if it weren't too long for the 6 character limit.

Thanks! It's always more fun to try to solve problems with what you have rather than grinding, especially since any RPG challenge has an unwritten bonus rule to finish at the lowest level you reasonably can!

Yeah, it also helps that even this weak party has ways to demolish bosses as long as they're vulnerable to status ailments. Gave me a very different view of some of these bosses afterwards!

You'd probably enjoy the Four Job Fiesta, it's a challenge run where you get only four jobs to work with and need to beat the game with that limited selection. You can get some combos that synergise well and others that leave you half-stranded on some bosses, but there are always workarounds to every challenge. Tje game has enough subtle contingencies you can learn and use to make every run possible

@@Inzoum oh yeah I've done it. I also impose different limitations myself whenever I replay it.

Yeah, I can see how those would help a lot. Too bad it wasn't available here, it would've been really helpful to be able to deal damage and heal at the same time!

Thanks, a lot of work was put into it!

To be fair, a lot of these strategies are known from the Four Job Fiesta and other challenges people have done over the years. For the strategies I did find, though, hopefully you enjoyed those along with the video!

Glad you enjoyed! I know I'm pretty late on this, but if your friend watched this then hopefully he had a good time watching it too!

@@NovemberJoy I'm his friend and I had a great time watching this video, it was a fun and crazy journey xD +1 sub! x)

Trust me, I know the feeling. I still remember grinding up to level 50 or so in the first world...funny how much things have changed since then. Glad to hear this video made you feel something like that!

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...you know, I didn't think about it that way but it kinda makes sense! I still prefer the progression in this challenge over Final Fantasy 2's, though, that's for sure. Glad you enjoyed!

How is any of this even remotely similar to FFII???

Oh hey, I think I've seen a video or two of yours before! I hoped that avoiding cheese would make things more interesting. This wasn't as hard as some of the solo runs you've already done, but I still think it was an interesting one that required some novel strategies!

@@NovemberJoy That's the great part about FF5, allowing us to come up with more and more strategies ^^ Also, I'm happy to hear you've seen some of those :D

Bruh I'm like 47-48 at the final boss.

Yeah, trying to master jobs anywhere besides the very beginning areas of the game or the final Void area will leave you extremely overleveled due to how much extra EXP you'll gain along the way. A standard playthrough without grinding will reach about level 38 or so, while my first complete playthrough was about level 50 due to taking the Brave Blade and never escaping from any encounter. I think I got through this challenge without having to overgrind too much!

This is a game I really liked and that has a lot of potential for challenges, so I thought it'd make for a good video. Hopefully you enjoyed, I'll try not to vanish for too long in the future!

Well...that should be entirely doable, it would just take a long time to max out one character and get them through the bonus dungeon! Might be fun to try one of these days on a stream or something...

Every job sans berzerker can pull it off. Although for Atomos you need to slightly bend the rules with some jobs classes to pull it off without obscene grinding.

@@arciks11 solo zerker can beat the game, but it requires a glitch only available on the SNES version. There's a video of the Neo Exdeath fight on KZfaq. That run can't do every side content though. For example, Omniscient at Fork Tower is doable with only Berserkers, but you need more than one so you can time the Mage Masher Silence procs with another hard hitting attack in order to avoid the reset

That can actually be okay to do,don't you think?

@@Inzoum Sure it may be theoretically possible with Solo Zerker but I consider the odds of it happening to be unreasonable without heavy Save State abuse.

Glad you enjoyed the video! Don't feel bad, this game can be surprisingly tough if you don't know what you're doing!

It's a very useful mechanic, especially if you're willing to abuse breakable rods. I can see how you might have never found it in a normal playthrough, though!

Glad you were able to get around to watching it! One-hour long boss fights are interesting, especially when they take multiple attempts...though you definitely have more experience with that than I do, I'll admit. I think it was nice discussing this stuff with someone else who's got experience, too!

Yeah, I was actually partially inspired by reading through a bunch of solo runs online and seeing the common problems and solutions they run into! I think I strategized reasonably well with the Freelancer's strengths and weaknesses. Glad you enjoyed!

@@NovemberJoy A fellow Sulla enjoyer I see.

@@AxelRyman I spent maybe a bit too much time reading those solo runs. Glad to find a fellow Sulla enjoyer as well!

Hopefully you'll enjoy playing the game again - who knows, maybe you got the personalized copy?

...I guess that is an accurate summary of the events of this video! Hopefully you enjoyed the journey of the Hobos and Hoboettes against the evil tree!

I found out about that later, but I never used it for navigating lava floors. That would've made Exdeath's Castle and the Great Sea Trench a lot easier if I'd remembered!

I'm glad you enjoyed it! It did require some out of the box thinking, though maybe not quite as much as I was expecting.

I dunno how much of a twist it was when Dragon Quest has been doing it since the first game.

Final Fantasy 4's final boss technically had 3 forms- the 'vampire' lookin tall guy, ZEMUS who was taken out by Golbez and FuSoYa, his 'evil blue hairball' form ZEROMUS, and then after being hit with the crystal in battle, turns into the 'ALIEN SPACE CATFISH' ZEROMUS. So it wasnt a big plot twist, nor was X death the first to do it

I guess it is technically the first one with two forms fought back-to-back in a single fight, but technically FF4 and the Dragon Quest games had done it before. Still, it's enough of a staple by this point that Final Fantasy final bosses almost never have only one form.

I mean...Millennials usually wear clothes from what I've seen, but I guess you can make it work? I definitely wouldn't call this a speedrun, though - I took quite a while getting through this one!

You're probably right on that point, it just completely took me by surprise that it worked on him! I guess whips are a severely underrated weapon type...

I figured there probably were more enemies I could blind, but there weren't too many foes that I felt the need to blind throughout the game and blindness sadly has no visual indicator of when it's been inflicted. I knew about the Sage Staff wrecking undead enemies, but I didn't know the Apollo Harp did actual damage! I thought it would just be percentage damage like every other harp in the game. Thanks for the highly detailed comment, I'm glad you enjoyed!

I'm glad this was able to awaken some nostalgia and show you a few characters you'd never seen before! ...you know what, you're kinda right, but I still wouldn't recommend punching people to cure their depression. Tends not to work too well!

It's very solid, and very deep as well. Glad you enjoyed the video!

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it, even with practically no Final Fantasy experience! It's a pretty nice series to get into if you like RPGs.

It was an interesting way to play, that's for sure!

Glad you enjoyed, and good luck with your own high-quality entertainment!

Oh, wasn't expecting to see you comment here! Hopefully you enjoyed the video!

I'd be interested to hear if someone did try that! I imagine it'd be a lot of rod breaking, but it'd still be cool to see what kind of strategies they end up employing!

It is one of the harder FF games, but it also offers a huge amount of strategic depth, and that was perfect for a challenge like this. Glad you enjoyed!

Sounds like it must've been a great moment!

@@NovemberJoy he was playing ffv mostly blind since he played record keeper ( the ff phone game that replays big moments in ff games ) Chat kept trying to spoil him, some by accident or others saying how to do the best damage. But yes, it was a fun set of streams to watch and the vods are on KZfaq. He got White Mage, Dancer, Geomancer, and Thief as his Four Jobs for the charity run. And he did beat Shinryu, not Omega though.

That's one of the cool parts - just about every job has at least one viable combat option! The only exception is most likely Berserker since its damage output is not enough to surpass its greatest weakness. Hopefully you enjoyed the video, and your first playthrough as well!

I was hoping someone would appreciate that little gag I added in editing! If you're doing absolutely nothing, you gotta put the Luigi cap on.

I imagine if you don't do it he won't show up in the Void, but I'm not entirely sure. I thought you could skip him, but I wanted to give him a good fight, and I was satisfied with the results. Thanks for the fun fact!

Welcome, hope you enjoyed!

@@NovemberJoy I did enjoy it. Thanks!

Wasn't his epic all about him trying to become immortal? It is kinda fitting, in that case...

It did let us use any weapon, but I feel like jobs still would've made this easier by the end. Still, I thought it was a fun challenge as well!

Ha, me too! I farmed so many money that I beat him with only capitalism

Yeah, Zeninage is one of the most broken abilities in the game for how much damage it does and how easy it is to use. You can't use it everywhere since you do need money to make use of it, and it doesn't deal as much damage as the best ability combinations, but it's pretty amazing considering you need zero investment to have a Samurai bury everything in cash.

A low-level run would have a very different set of problems...that might be interesting to look into, though maybe not as much for a video on this channel! Hopefully you take another shot at it later, though. I'm glad we both got good use out of the Dancing Dagger.

@@NovemberJoy honestly same. Glad we both can appreciate a truly underrated item.

Hey, glad you enjoyed!

I was wondering if that Discord ping would get anyone. Good to know.

I knew about the Tyrannosaur strat, but I wanted to do it without cheesing it with a Phoenix Down. I didn't know about the Power Staff drop, but I'm glad I didn't end up needing it! I kinda forgot about the killer bow, honestly, and I never realized the Rune Edge could be useful! It makes sense for a Red Mage run, since Red Mages have relatively few good options for dishing out high damage. I was going off my own experience, where the one Fiesta run I did had a relatively easy time with Omega due to having a Bard and Berserker in the party! I can see how he's the harder one, though. I didn't know you could get Dragon Whiskers or Ancient Swords that way! It might have been helpful if I knew that, and I definitely didn't know you could age the Almagest part! That would've been a really cool strat to pull off if I knew about it. Clearly, you know a lot more about this game than I do. Thanks for sharing all this info, and hope you enjoyed the video!

​@@NovemberJoy Dragon Whisker strat probably wouldnt've worked in an armorless run. It's very crucial to go before Shinryu, and without Hermes Sandals it's not happening. Also what makes Shinryu easier is that he can be Berzerked. And in theory you could Mug farm Dragon Spears from Crystal Dragons in first area of the crystal void.

Interesting! For me, it's the opposite, where I've never given Shinryu a serious try. I could definitely pull it off, I just never have...don't think I could in this run without a lot of grinding, though!

Shinryu is generally pretty free if you can berserk and blind it, you just raise people who get one shot occasionally and grind him down. Dragon Whisker and Apollo's Harp do a ton of damage. Omega requires specific strats if you don't have access to some of the more well known setups like !RapidFire Thundaga Blade, and is not always possible in challenge runs

I might see if there are more runs I can do in the future to entertain you guys. I had an idea to use only each job's first-level ability - i.e. White level 1, Black level 1, etc., so that might be interesting to try in the future if I could still make it interesting to watch!

@@NovemberJoyill watch it all :)

It's funny because I genuinely didn't know Berserk was that close to Reflect in the Wonder Rod's spell list, so it was a total accident that I bounced it towards Omniscient! I'm still satisfied with how the fight went, though.

It's a well known strat that only works in the original, it's been patches out of more recent releases, but there are other exploits :)

I had a different experience, since I've beaten Omega by stunlocking him with Romeo's Ballad but never beaten Shinryu. Now that I know his major weaknesses, though, I think I could totally beat him with a little preparation and grinding! Glad you enjoyed the video!

@@NovemberJoy What I've found is that Omega, regardless of how you go about it, still requires some strategy and know-how no matter what. On the other end, Shinryu, a lot of what he can do, can be negated right out of the starting gate with the right gear, and then you can beat the snot out of him using whatever you feel like.

I guess they are technically "Freelancers", right?

...I did not know Terraria once used FF5 sprites for its characters, that's interesting! It's probably for the best that they were changed up over time, though.

That would've been a very different book, but now I'm suddenly interested in reading it...Thanks for the comment!

It's doing better than I expected so far, all things considered. Glad you enjoyed!

...You know, you have a point, but I'm grateful that it worked, otherwise that might've been a bit more difficult.

Yeah, if she gets a turn below a certain HP threshold she'll call in her husband. Glad I taught you something new about this game, in that case!

@@NovemberJoy I mean I'm still prolly gonna mop thr floor with her bc I like grinding for job abilities to have effective multi-classing on my Party members but, thanks!

I think a lot of people run into this problem, now that I think about it. They totally designed it that way to catch new players off guard, didn't they?

@@NovemberJoy If I had to guess, I think they would have expected players to have characters die and not be revived before the fight ends, which might cause character levels to spread out. But I can't remember. Do fainted characters gain exp when the fight ends?

Thanks! I can only imagine Hikiko shuddering at the word "job"...

I apologize for the long wait! Hopefully the next video should come a little sooner!

@@NovemberJoy, you can bet when that video comes out, I'll watch it as soon as possible.

Yeah, it makes things a little funnier if Galuf doesn't actually have any abilities to transfer. Understandably, the game doesn't have any dialogue to point this out.

I thought it was pretty wonderful, and it's got an incredible amount of strategic depth for its time as shown in this video! Hopefully you enjoyed.

I've been alright. Making it through. Hopefully you enjoyed the video once it finally did come out!

...you know, it's not actually an intended joke, but I'm glad you found it humorous anyway!

Wait, can you not switch weapons mid-battle in the Pixel Remaster? That would be a really weird change if they did that, considering all the gimmick and utility weapons that are really cool to use this way...

Pop off NovemberJoy, you have earned my respect. Glad I could see this challenge

It was challenging, and very long, but it was entirely doable. Glad you enjoyed it!

Or medication, or therapy...I guess I just didn't think of punching as a treatment method.

@@NovemberJoy Yeah. Its... well, the thing is, many old treatments which are now seen as barbaric have some actual applications... Its just been overused where it doesnt belong. Theres even been cases where lobotomies have achieved the desires of the patient. However, in modern settings, healthcare workers have been trained to care about the "common good" instead of whats right for the individual... During a certain time in germany, it was physicians and nurses which engaged in "mercy unaliving" for eugenic purposes. Well, healthcare workers around the world were doing it at the time, actually, but i know in germany they started doing it while it was illegal and not officially sanctioned by anyone, ultimately they pressured the austrian chancelor into giving them written permission. Id assume he broadly agreed with it, but its actually rare that he actually put something like that in text, he wasnt even present at the conference which is credited with finding the "solution" to the question about the chosen people... Though he probably has conversed with the attendents beforehand.

Hm...I don't know if it'll be next, but I'll have to think and see if there are any good ideas for FF3. Thanks for the suggestion!

What are you talking about? FFI's final boss had two phases. It's just that the first one was incredibly weak, was the very first boss you fought in the game, and you had to play an entire game between the two phases of the fight :)

...You're both technically right, but Final Fantasy bosses are infamous for having at least two phases each so I couldn't pass up on the joke. I never thought of Garland as a two-phase boss, gotta say!

Arguably, Onion Knights have it worse since they have less equipment to wield and their game sometimes forces you to cast magic. They are similar in that their real power shows up closer to the end of the game, though!

Good to know that Discord joke actually worked! Hopefully you enjoyed the video.

...actually, you're right, and I somehow never noticed. Why did they do that, anyway?

I probably should, though I'd likely need to be very high leveled to pull it off. Thanks for the suggestion!

Thankfully, I did defeat the fire dude. Hopefully you enjoyed!

I actually didn't know that...I've never had to try exploiting that before. Good to know!

@@NovemberJoy Carbunkle is only weak to petrify when he Drops his reflect to start healing.

Kiss of Blessing Mix also can bypass Neo Exdeath fight but that's outside of this run's scope.

@@arciks11 Yes. Another thing that can skip NED beyond this run's scope is the blue magic Mind Blast. Also outside of this run's scope, if you have access to Time Magic, you could use the Quick spell, and then also inflict Sap on NED using any of these methods, and then idle on the second turn. You could literally just put your controller down and walk away, as Tree Form Exdeath's HP wittles away from all 49001 HP to 0, though this process takes 2 hours to complete without any fast-forwarding functions. Sap is just an entirely broken mechanic in this game lol.

Interesting...I knew about the Kiss of Blessing bug, but I wasn't aware killing him with Sap damage would also skip the second phase! Thankfully I didn't have to worry about it, but it would've made an interesting finale of its own to completely skip the second phase.

Thanks, glad you enjoyed!

Maybe you did, but I couldn't resist. Hope you enjoyed the video!

Hopefully you did find it cray!

@@NovemberJoy I very much did

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed all 55 minutes of it, I was hoping it wouldn't end up too long!

about that boss I'm sure if you still OWN 99 Fire Ice or Bolt rods breaking them won't count as a PHYSICAL attack and it won't use the return spell.

@@veghesther3204 Breaking rods without stats results in some very poor damage. Jobless characters have very low magic stats, so they'll only do like 1000 damage at most with a rod, and Omniscient's regen will heal it all up before you get another turn unless you also wear reflect rings so his own spells offset the regen enough.

Well it uses flare when he dies so I still used 2x Reflect ring users even normally with ALL but Monk and mime mastered against it.

I probably should've grabbed the Thief Knife earlier, but I kinda forgot about it for a bit, being honest. Still made good use of it, though! I knew about the Omniscient strategy as well, though I didn't know he was vulnerable to aging! I would've used the Mage Masher+Reflect strategy, but with my ruleset I couldn't wear Reflect Rings. I'm relatively satisfied on how the fight went, though! On a side note, breaking rods is counted as a non-magical attack, at least in the GBA version. I tested it just out of curiosity and he still cast Reset afterwards.

@@NovemberJoy If one forgoes berserking one could in theory do Wonder Wand Reflect to do some spell bouncing while the effect holds and then follow up with Magic Lamp Carbunkle assuming that doesn't proc the Reset. As for what to reflect back at him... Flame Lash's Firaga could be an option (One way to make it safe is to have the character Mini'd to reduce physical output to one)

Well, I banned rod breaking and accessories in my ruleset, so that wasn't an option. Thankfully, I was able to get enough healing to stay alive from items and the Healing Staff! I feel like this might've been harder in the Pixel Remaster, from what I've heard of it.

doing that would hardly be a challenge though