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Public put down. Nothing like it for cathartic retribution

That seems to be Picard's speciality, verbally taking apart his superior officers without raising his voice. He did it to Satie and earlier, the admiral who wanted to take Lal away from Data and he did it here......

The communication literally came in on a "secured channel", it had to have been against some Starfleet policy to take the call in front of the entire bridge staff, lol. I'm surprised the admiral didn't just hang up on Picard!

"Hold my wine, Number One. I'm about to dunk on this man in 4K"

​@@TheColSamsonits the future so probably more like 64K

"Thank you for audibly stating that for the record. See you in court, sir."

So the answer to All hands lost would be yes, everyone on that ship died. No survivors because no crew.

​@@barnabusdoyle4930can one really die if they have never lived?

Also: No one was on board

​@barnabusdoyle4930 pretty sure answer would still be no because Noone was on board and the ship was being flown completely by remote ....

@@fperri302 No, the answer would be yes. If an empty ship is destroyed, would all the crew aboard the ship also have died? Yes. All crew aboard the ship was lost. The fact that there was no crew aboard the ship is actually irrelevant to the question.

Lots of beans

Well played sir

Oh beans

Those were my beans Max! I was eating those beans!

Then the Admiral is toast. 🙂

Star Trek brought elevated theatre to science fiction

We all have monologues this good in the shower after the fact

Yep, it's implied that he ended up at the same stockade as Ro Laren. I imagine the other inmates telling the admiral "You believed the Cardassians?! How naive can you get you moron! Even Ro Laren didn't do something as stupid as that!".

Throw him in prison for something he did not do deliberately? I doubt Federation law would work that way. But, I wonder what would they do with him? Recommendations?

@@TheNoiseySpectator He ordered Ro Laren to tell the Bajoran extremists that he'd have them armed to the teeth which was in violation of Federation law due to the Prime Directive, that was his big crime.

@@girlgarde bingo, that alone is enough to Court Marshal the naive and complacent dopey Admiral. Claiming ignorance is not enough to get you off in this case.

Nah, this is starfleet, they like their admirals a little crazy.

If you try to outmaneuver Picard, your shirt will be all over the place!

"...naive enough.." That sounds like a shot to me.

The REAL Picard maneuver...

This will henceforth be known as, " The Picard Outmaneuver "

😂😂😂😂

Precisely. Any screw ups could just wind up getting classified if it was just between a captain and an admiral.

EXACTLY. Wasn't just an opportunity for a public dressing down. This was AFTER Ro Laren had confided in him. Picard wasn't going to be caught in the same position.

​@@szahmad2416 Also, Ro gets a front-row seat to the fruition of her clever plan.

@@argvminusone yeah...although I think that's just a side benefit.

Yeah that was gorgeous.

like the equivilent of a sci fi chess game :3 XD Enterprise D moving while the 2 galors move up to the way of 1 out dated bajoran ship and destroy that while Picard out smarts that starfleet Admrial. Soo indeed in Star Trek terms that is in essance 2 words. Check Mate Star Trek style.

Also I assume that this far into the series, the Picard Maneuver there was scripted.

I want to know what the shooting script said. Was this good writing, or were the words dropped on set due to the actors/director? Edit: Found the script. RIKER: He ordered us to withdraw? Picard nods silently. Riker looks back to the viewscreen. So the silence was in the script, but the actor/director dropped the nod.

"That fool is actually going through with it, Number One."

I love the gestures in place of words. This was done many time on TNG with great psychological effect. Actions do speak louder than words.

He says "yes, now watch this.... it's gonna be great" All without a word... just a nod

Probably just ASSumed..

Some people only see what they want to see.

when you were raised by your mama to be an enormous fool to one day give Picard something to play off of

He may not have known these bajorans had no warp capability. He sits in his office on earth. Being a bureaucrat.

He didn't know that Orta's ships didn't have warp capability due to lack of intelligence on his group. Orta isn't going to openly announce the weaknesses of his ships for all to hear just to provide some desk jockey like the Admiral here with accurate info to avoid possibly looking stupid one day.

If K is stupid enough to believe and trust the Cardassians, he's gonna be too stupid to see, or to accept, Picard's out.

Hated Nedheyev but the actress played the role of Karen so well.

To be fair, Nechayev saw a wasted opening to destroy or at least hurt the Borg Collective and protect the Federation from harm hence why she yelled at Picard and was hard on him. She was a "look at the big picture to protect the Federation" type of officer and not a "remembering to be Human even if it handicaps you" type of officer. I wasn't fond of her either to be honest but I understand now why she behaved the way she does, to protect the Federation plus she's actually right sometimes.

Nechayev was the only Star Fleet Admiral who came up against Picard and didn't leave tied up with a neat little bow. She deserves respect for that.

@@danieldickson8591 That's because she didn't do anything illegal and was careful as to what she attacked Picard on.

@@girlgarde Yeah, say what you want about Nechayev, but she was a fairly competent and, surprisingly for a Starfleet admiral, possessed a good bit of integrity.

"Yo!'

the amount of work admirals do leads them to slowly become blind to the galaxy. To quote mordin "to focused on big picture, big picture made up of little pictures, to many variables."

I think it's that Kirk eventually became fed up and wanted to go back to being a captain. He was a young career-minded officer, fast tracked until he became the youngest starship captain in Starfleet. When he accepted promotion to flag rank after his Five Year Mission was completed, and especially with the Enterprise temporarily out of service for her refit, he probably accepted the promotion without giving it a second thought.

Indeed Picard and Kirk have the smarts to remain in the starship game of Chess since theyre the true kings I mean common being captian of a starship is like being kings in a sci fi game of chess that even Kirk himself would know that all too well in the TOS era.

In my head she’s a Starfleet Captain on Lower Decks of a Nebula Class ship, and Worf’s secret lover..

Well... you did get your wish

@@CtaEverett23 Sadly not for long though

@@LGranthamsHeir in the alternate timeline. the ro we know and love is still out there somewhere, waiting to resolve her conflict with the real picard.

@@romancernjak Right on! Based on what Terry Matalas said after "Picard" finale, we have not seen the last of Ro Laren yet. Of course, it also depends on Michelle Forbes.

Kitty Foreman watched this and started chanting "You're gonna get it!" at that part.

Those views seem rather familiar today, don't they?

At this point in time (several years before DS9), I think Dukat would have been busy working Barjorian slave labors to death. But perhaps Garak was still a member of the Obsidian order and might have been aboard one of those Cardassian cruisers.

@@jacksonheathen2092 No, the Obsidian Order wasn't allowed to have ships. He likely would've been on Cardassia Prime, interrogating some poor Cardassian to death.

@@3Rayfire Of course. The Obsidian order wasn't allowed to have military ships. But still, they likely had an "observer" from the order onboard (especially in missions along the border). But that's just my opinion.

We just need to wait until George Lucas buys Star Trek and then he can do some special editions and edit them right in - no one could hate that, right?

@@jacksonheathen2092 that makes sense. I feel like Cardassian ships would have "political officers" posted on them, like the way that the Soviet Navy did.

More like duranium.

@@aggressiveattitudeera887 Unless he's implying that Picards Balls cause Supernovas.

@@aggressiveattitudeera887 even better

Funny that Picard mentioned that outdated Bajoran ship was being remotely controlled from the ground? unless whoever is controlling that outdated old RC old bajoran ship must have aquired the skills to controll it

And then Admiral Perry happened and it turned out that yes, the Planetary Union can have Starfleet Admirals too.

@@hagamapama which one was Perry? Was that Ted Danson's character?

@@OptimusWombat He's the one who tried to use the Krill and Moclans to wipe out the Kaylon. She gave Isaac and Charlie's design to the Krills so that it would be used and the Kaylon destroyed.

@@hagamapama OK, thanks. It's slowly coming back to me now. My memory isn't what it used to be, lol.

Unfortunately, it's also The Orville, and will never be Star Trek on its best day. And that's due to its main character. Who literally photocopied TNG and DS9 Scripts and removed the parts he couldn't understand. I.E. everything actually intelligent and thought-provoking.

The admiral was also corrupt, because he was willing to abet the murder of civilians. A wanted terrorist leader is one thing, but collective punishment like that is quite shocking.

after all, I believe this is the time when the Obsidian Order was at its peak and this may well have been something put together by Tain and Garak before the latter was banished.

@@hagamapama I have to agree, that makes a lot of sense

@@teleportedbreadfor3days For that matter we don't really know exactly whooooooooooo this "cardassian liason" really is. It might have even been Garak. Althoughh the operative was clumsy enough that I doubt it. Getting Kennelly sick with the virus wound up being a mistake and Garak was a bit too professional for that.

@@hagamapama lol

glad i could help, hope you're well 🖖🏻

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It exemplifies why I can't take DS9 very seriously.

Yep, and kinda more like 'soap opera' to be precise, although there'll always be folks who actually _prefer_ that sorta thing!

​@@klowen7778Are you guys serious? This episode not only sets up DS9, but this sort of geopolitical manuevering and world building is DS9's bread and butter. This is an exception for TNG, rather than the rule.

And she performed brilliantly in both roles. As flawed as Admiral Cain was, it took an actor of Forbes' ability to bring those flaws out seamlessly.

And the Peter principle remains in full effect.

You can see why section 31 has it's place.

@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants I agree in principle there are needs for organisations who will do the dirty work others won't do in order to preserve our way of life but when those same orginisations undermine the integrity of that way of life it becomes much more complicated. Some would rather die than give up those beliefs, others would prefer 'freedom' even if it costs their soul. The problem is these organisations decide for the masses when not everyone would agree with them and who are they to decide what happens?

@@develynseether4426 And yet, overall the Federation is a good place to live, and while there are certainly bad people in it, there's a lot of good people in it. And the vast majority still follows its founding ideals by 2500.

Section 31 won the Dominion War. I don't love them but they don't exist to be loved. They exist to do their duty and let the rest of us abide in the illusion that the universe is peaceful, because if it chooses not to be, Section 31 is there. @@develynseether4426

The vibe I get is the Admiral promoted his way through connections and not expertise.

He may not have advanced through fleet, starship, service, could've been a planet-bound or space station facility commander his entire life, then rose up to the admiralty level. Picard was a pure bred starship captain essentially his whole life, aside from some junior officer positions early on. Picard didn't want to trade all that in to sit at a desk. At least, not until much later in his life.

Picard did, in this very clip. or do you mean the one on the planet that they visited?

Your right, it sometimes makes me wonder is being incompetent is 1 of the requirements for being A admiral in Starfleet that isn't 1 of the main characters

We know there are, all the way to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And it's nothing new. 30+ years or more of Pentagon corruption if you pay attention. Just look at what happened this year alone.

There are... At all levels. But there are also individuals like Capt. Picard who will act when the time arises.

The Grayzone just had an article on a case of half the military being bought. Afghanistan was also one corruption business. The USA are a war-addicted business.

my theory is these try to kill Picard in the episode "four lights". Picard at that point was getting too powerful.

Nacheyev was right about certain things such as how they shouldn't have let the Federation colonists stay on worlds being ceded to the Cardassians, that was asking for trouble. Also, she was thinking about the big picture even if she was too harsh towards Picard and Sisko at times.

​@@girlgardeshe was probably towing the line from the Council that are looking for any excuse to disband Starfleet. A council so scared of war they would've surrendered the entire Federation to the Borg if given the chance.

Yeah, he seemed to take the destruction of the colony on Solaron 4 quite personally. Perhaps he saw videos and pictures of the dead bodies of those slain by the attackers and eyewitness testimony about the attack. He may have even been reminded of something personal that happened to him in the past which triggered his temper here.

@@girlgarde that would be nutrek territory. starfleet officers in the original universe cannot afford to yield to personal feelings. they are mature, capable professionals.