Thanks to Geoff I appear to be becoming a train nerd. But as an electronic engineer I love the shunt/series/parallel labels as they make perfect sense and describe exactly what they do.
@ianmurray2505 жыл бұрын
Very true George, I am somewhat annoyed that the explanation of these terms in the video was not better, for instance what happens to the electricity not used for traction - heat. I guess the S stock has thyristor control or something.
@Captainpubwatch5 жыл бұрын
@@ianmurray250 I've watched it and can see where there's loads of extra bits to add, but I think the way it was described was an easy way for a wide audience to get the idea.
@Outfrost5 жыл бұрын
@@ianmurray250 S stock has transistor-based inverters powering AC traction motors.
@TheOiyou4 жыл бұрын
Actually it's bollocks. Shunt has resistors, series is a series circuit and parallel is a parallel circuit so parallel is four times more power than series and shunt chucks out a lot of the power as heat. If you ever saw a train with the grids glowing you'd know what I'm on about. Never drive a train in shunt/inch for more than a minute and usually round the yard, which is what it's there for.
@TheOiyou4 жыл бұрын
@@ianmurray250 Shunt/inch chucks it out as heat. Series and parallel are series and parallel circuits so parallel is four times the power of series (Ohm's law)
@DurhamGooner5 жыл бұрын
"Alex" "What?" "I think that's it" Alex looks at the cab thinking 'what have I missed?'
@AlmirHadzic1235 жыл бұрын
You can see grenfell at 6:45 before the unexpected happened 💔
@k1an245 жыл бұрын
Same I thought that Rip.
@GedUK5 жыл бұрын
And again closer at 7:30
@1258-Eckhart5 жыл бұрын
@@hadrionics2755 I live in Germany, I didn't know and found the comment very informative.
@DavidShepheard5 жыл бұрын
It's good to be able to see Grenfell Tower. It's an important part of London's history, that we should never forget, just like the C Stock trains are.
@TabsT-vy5jy4 жыл бұрын
It was expected
@volker87605 жыл бұрын
10:00 after, I can sense the sorrow within Alex, I can tell that he would love to spend just a moment longer with the train the started his career as a train driver. I've recently experienced the same feelings as my primary school moved into a new campus. A perfect display of the love and compassion from a driver who loves his hip and train. Like Alex, a kiss goodbye to the c stock, although I never got a chance to ride on one, may your legacy lives on. P.S. in HK, where I live, we're facing the same situation and feelings soon as the old trains on our railway (the m-train and the MLR, both built by Metro Cammell) is going to be retired and presumably scrapped.
@volker87605 жыл бұрын
Fun fact : the MLR mentioned above is based on the mark-3 based 2nd gen EMUs on the British mainline, namely the 317. The m-train on the other hand is said to be based on the 67stock, although I saw more resemblance betweenthe m-train and the subsurface stocks, namely the C and D stock
@paciic4 жыл бұрын
Same with 10:35
@jasonyu66494 жыл бұрын
Volker I would say the MTR stock sound more like 67 and 73 stock while C is also highly similar.
@paciic4 жыл бұрын
Jason yu Execpt they're more boxy and taller
@Martindyna3 жыл бұрын
@@volker8760 You say that the MLR is based on the Class 317 but that train was manufactured by BREL (British Rail Engineering Ltd), not Metro-Cammell. Was there cooperation between the two companies?
@ericjamieson5 жыл бұрын
For anyone wondering, "series" is switched so several motors are lined up one after the other in the circuit - the current has to go through all of them, thus increasing resistance. When the controller is switched to "parallel," the current goes through each motor independently, thus there is less resistance. It's a very simple way of controlling acceleration, but it works.
@georgeprout425 жыл бұрын
And a shunt is a resistance put in series to give the "low" speed
@Outfrost5 жыл бұрын
And, on top of that, if I recall correctly, both series and parallel each have several stages of resistance that a relay or set of relays or contactors switch through automatically, based on the current being drawn by the motors. This ensures that (a) the motors don't overheat and, and (b) the train doesn't shake violently whenever starting to accelerate.
@warweezil28024 жыл бұрын
Outfrost I think you are referring to the RPA (rapid pneumatic accelerator), which could be heard in operation as the train accelerated from rest as a rhythmic clicking.
@NC-0025 жыл бұрын
1:34 There's an even more exciting train, the 1960 Track Recording Train!
@RJE485 жыл бұрын
Did you know that there are still 1930 something stock Northern line trains running in regular service on the Island Line on the Isle of Wight?
@NC-0025 жыл бұрын
@@RJE48 Yes, although the 1960TS is a much rarer sight, only two 1960TS trains are left. There's quite a few 1938TS carriages scattered around the UK. Plus this is officially the oldest running train on the Underground, as the A Stock is gone.
@Dogtor_Orsum5 жыл бұрын
So that's what it is! I think I saw one once, years ago, and couldn't work out what it was - it was obviously an engineering train of some sort but beyond that I couldn't find any details. My description of it as "like an old train but armoured-looking" didn't help either, lol.
@NC-0025 жыл бұрын
@@Dogtor_Orsum It's been quite a while since one of them saw service (withdrawn in 1994), and it has been changed quite a lot since it left service. There is one in original condition with the heritage livery in preservation. It is essentially two 1960 Stock DM's with a modified 1973 Stock Trailer. When in service, the units had 1938 Stock trailers instead. It will probably be going in the next few years, with the 1973 Stock becoming available upon withdrawal, it will probably be heading to the scrapyard.
@NC-0024 жыл бұрын
Jack Shiels the IOW ones are from 1938, 1960’s have only ever been on the underground
@jeffwiseman28202 жыл бұрын
The ending sequence, and the long shot of him staring down in silence, was a great bit of filmmaking.
@RoamingAdhocrat Жыл бұрын
I think he was looking at the brake pressure gauges…
@loganmorrow12104 жыл бұрын
9:48 Alex said 5596 could be the last C stock and he was correct 5596 was the last C69 stock to run on the London Underground
@rookaloot47362 жыл бұрын
speak of the devil
@Ass_Burgers_Syndrome2 жыл бұрын
I used to drive these until 2003. But my favourite ones to work were the 59/62 stock. Had great times on those.
@MrJezza315 жыл бұрын
C stock were easily my favourites. Sorely missed, the wonderful sound of those motors brings back some fantastic memories...
@oludotunjohnshowemimo4344 жыл бұрын
The C Stock which originally served the Circle, Hammersmith & City and the Wimbledon to Edgware Road branch of the District line, passed over those duties to the S Stock. RIP C69/C77 stock. Thank you for many years of faithful service.
@iankemp11313 жыл бұрын
Intriguing to see at 1:35 what looks like a Cravens 1960 stock unit in the car shed alongside the S stock. A graphic demonstration of the size difference between tube and cut-and-cover rolling stock! (Edit: comments below confirm that it is the Track Recording Train formed of 1960 stock)
@robertfeld58295 жыл бұрын
I miss these trains. I remember when they were unrefurbished. They may have been old when they were retired, but they had class.
@uwlodar5 жыл бұрын
As a passenger, I never liked the C stock, they felt neglected, and it was really annoying when the lights would go out. The S stock is an improvement for passengers, but not so much for drivers
@ElshadKarbasi5 жыл бұрын
Lights flickering are fun
@sabersz5 жыл бұрын
@@ElshadKarbasi no it's not, especially on the deep level tube it's really starting to get annoying lol
@unf3z4nt5 жыл бұрын
@MusicalElitist1 One of them malfunctioning caused chaos on the East Coast Line a few months back.
@warweezil28024 жыл бұрын
Rip Curl 69 there will always be issues with lighting momentarily going off due to the sectionalisation of traction current which is necessary where you have points etc and also where traction current sections end - it is arranged this way so that if traction current is discharged due to an incident at one station, it doesn’t bring the whole line to a halt. I’m confused that you say it’s starting to get annoying... it has always happened.
@Mgameing123 Жыл бұрын
@@sabersz Nah its something we are going to miss!
@andrewwebb34315 жыл бұрын
I hope you're still around on KZfaq when they replace the old '72, '73 and '92 stock with the (still to be properly named) "new tube" in a few years time. Mainly because the other few videos on the transition from old to new stock have been fascinating. The only difference is we'll all be a lot older and greyer by then!
@robertbenjamin-hardie72042 жыл бұрын
C69/C77 stock will always be my favorite underground train!! Miss not being able to travel in these wonderful trains.
@moritzl70655 жыл бұрын
The front, the flashing lights, the closing door sound and the announcements make me feel like the C-stock is just a larger version of the 1972 stock used on the Bakerloo line.
@agent_6055 жыл бұрын
Essentially it was, they both date from the same period and are both built by the same manufacturer
@Supwiyaman3 жыл бұрын
I just sit and watch Geoffs videos all day everyday, unique thus is man
@tm_swift5 жыл бұрын
I just heard you on my Thameslink train to Brighton, it was so refreshing to hear your voice. It made me happy ☺️
@unitedrail-mainchannel8991 Жыл бұрын
10:01 the look on Alex's face when he realized it was his last time 😥😥😥😥
@afterruncookie5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this (edited version) and that you've uploaded it here, Geoff! Love it! Jo
@Outfrost5 жыл бұрын
I got an opportunity to ride a C stock train only once in my life, and I was too young a kid to remember anything. All I recall is it was a journey from King's Cross St. Pancras to Tower Hill, and it must've been on a C stock on the Circle. I only got to know them a bit through World of Subways later on.
@tashvadj491411 ай бұрын
It's a shame you missed their era, the 80s especially was a magical time on the lines and the C69 were integral.
@NedsTrains5 жыл бұрын
Finally the C stock documentary I have been waiting for. I love the C stock! 👍
@multiplio29245 жыл бұрын
8:26 RIP Bubblecar :(
@Drawyah5 жыл бұрын
What's that doing there? 😂
@multiplio29245 жыл бұрын
@@Drawyah Used to run on the Aylesbury - Princes Risborough line until a few years ago
@Captainpubwatch5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Geoff, looks like a day out with someone who was happy to explain their work, thanks for posting up : )
@nixmixes7705 жыл бұрын
I liked the C Stock for two reasons: The distinctive motor noise was very similar to Warp Drive on the original Star Trek. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lap-Zq6ImNGUcaM.html I always thought that the sound effects on the Bridge should have included a grasshopper-like compressor kicking in and out. Also, before the late 70's the suspension was all over the place giving the trains a really wide rocking motion and you could pretend to be surfing by not holding on (later rectified with dampers on the bogies).
@huncho10575 жыл бұрын
World of subways vol. 3 anyone?
@jay-ti5js5 жыл бұрын
i was just playing
@DWtrainsNZ5 жыл бұрын
You read my mind.
@MalteSpieltYT5 жыл бұрын
god damn it how did you know haha
@tornadotrcu73984 жыл бұрын
Oh sure mate, i'll just get my USB DVD Drive
@MalteSpieltYT5 жыл бұрын
oh i still remember driving on a stock, c stock and d stock 10 years ago.
@enisylo5 жыл бұрын
Why is the 30 minute version unavailable? I'm in no way complaining, purely curious. This documentary was great, and very well edited and narrated.
@erik_griswold5 жыл бұрын
I can see why it might not be available on a physical DVD but perhaps Geoff might consider putting in on a pay-per-view streaming service if possible?
@juansdf15 жыл бұрын
KZfaq allows that now @@erik_griswold
@billymillest15295 жыл бұрын
Erik Griswold it was on dvd but sold out and is very hard to get copies of now
@ernestparker36485 жыл бұрын
Great video. I drove c stock from when they arrived. Rickmansworth crews hated them. They were happy when they were confined to met main only. For myself I loved them and drove them till I retired In July 2000.happy days.
@Nayson5 жыл бұрын
7:36 this move still happens every week, only they join the Underground at West Ruislip now. You can usually see a train in the LUL sidings at West Ruislip.
@robertfeld58295 жыл бұрын
It is sad. I spent my childhood going around the Underground on this stock.
@petermc70985 жыл бұрын
A Fantastic and very informative documentary with great commentary. Thanks for uploading this! Cheers Peter
@NoddyMaccy2 жыл бұрын
I shared a cab with Alex recently. Really cool dude!
@Listenerandlearner8704 жыл бұрын
The C stock were cutting edge in the 1960s but the ride was rough. The S stock so smooth on the Circle Line.
@ScoutZz5 жыл бұрын
The C Stock was genuinely the OG Tube Train they were amazing, they had nice LT117 DC Motors which sounded amazing and they had a really nice look and feel to them
@seaside-dn8dp3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I remember travelling on them quite a lot when I was up in the Wimbledon and central London areas.
@geekface29815 жыл бұрын
The C stock was always my favourite
@jopu70045 жыл бұрын
Love these! And also you can still see these in World Of Subways 3 London underground circle line!
@alphadeltaaviation8125 жыл бұрын
Jopu 700 I play that so much
@ianmurray2505 жыл бұрын
Like most new tube stock, C-stock were a great improvement on the previous rolling stock in 1970, but old age, lower maintenance prior to replacement and passenger expectations all take their toll on passenger experience. The main difference is that C-stock are 1969 design mechanical and can be understood by drivers when they go wrong, S-stock is 2008 design with computerisation making it much harder for a driver to repair on the fly if required. On the other hand S stock can report potential problems before they happen. In theory although there is more to go wrong, less should. It'll be interesting to see what passengers think about S stock in 2048 when they are replaced with .... well goodness knows what London will need by then.
@angrypacifist57825 жыл бұрын
Five years ago! The S Stock finished five years ago! I'm so old!
@sabersz5 жыл бұрын
These are actually well good, do more of them! Because if you don't, I will find you, and I will.... Do something
@haz05-065 жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading these :)
@americanemirates88673 жыл бұрын
I also miss the d stock train
@mnmless5 жыл бұрын
haven’t began watching and i know this will be brilliant! thanks, geoff!
@Maximevete5 жыл бұрын
From 10:00 the real driver that loves his train sais goodbye
@Sam-ht5dk4 жыл бұрын
I think he was just watching the air pressure drop to know when to shut it down, but you could be right
@TravelingEurope15 жыл бұрын
I really like your video as your explanation of the changes between the old and the new trains
@thecornedbeefcouncil97925 жыл бұрын
Loved the C Stock, interesting video. Liked the 1980s training video music at the beginning.
@davidtanycoed3 жыл бұрын
Shame we don't get to see Alex driving the S stock to see his reaction and hear his thoughts
@americanemirates88673 жыл бұрын
I miss the C and D Stock Train
@jeffdavis52254 жыл бұрын
Used to drive C stock 91-93,mostly pre refurb back then
@danwoodhouse92903 жыл бұрын
2:38 - if you ever needed to know how to drive a train then this is THE video!
@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp3 жыл бұрын
A fine historical piece Geoff Marshall
@evancortez25 жыл бұрын
quite possibly the video with the saddest ending - I got that same feeling with the last scene of the final episode of "Cheers"
@malachymolloy60385 жыл бұрын
Thank you, even though I vaguely remember them, I miss them a lot... S stock and S7 stock are too new and sterile.
@nothisispatrick61805 жыл бұрын
Love the sound of the C stock moters
@henry-joy5 жыл бұрын
YES! SOMETHING IVE BEEN WAITING FOR!
@atent51245 жыл бұрын
Of you have WOs3 you can relive the entire moment..... I love it
@HSMiyamoto4 жыл бұрын
Compared to a traditional 9 notch controller and air brake, these look rather simple to operate. I like that the motor and brake controls are cleverly integrated.
@williamerazo3921 Жыл бұрын
Nah it’s complicated
@cameronamoils69155 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Why is the shot flipped at 8:58?
@misswhitchurchandwetherbyp72475 жыл бұрын
otherwise it wouldn't cut with the preceding shot.
@misswhitchurchandwetherbyp72475 жыл бұрын
or he just inserted a stock shot. See what I did there?
@jay-ti5js5 жыл бұрын
+-+-very clever
@cheesyll4m4515 жыл бұрын
He probably didn't have enough footage at that particular station so he used footage recorded at a different stop earlier that day on the other side but then flipped it.
@hobog5 жыл бұрын
4:10 nice review of general physics intro to circuitry
@penguinking36819 ай бұрын
Hi. Just noticed at 7:30 you can see Grenfell Tower on the right of the screen. Rest in Peace to those who died. 17/7/17
@mrkris69385 жыл бұрын
Bring back the P-Stock please!
@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO Жыл бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@transportenthusiasticman265 жыл бұрын
I really miss the c stock
@americanemirates88673 жыл бұрын
I miss the c stock train
@zzzzzzzzzzy8 ай бұрын
i live in banbury and i remember coming home on the train and seeing this and being so confused as to why a tube train was here 😂
@thefatcontroller40943 жыл бұрын
C stocks were my favourite tube trains
@radioman11705 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you!
@JackReacher_110TH_MP5 жыл бұрын
The 12 people that disliked this video do not belong here....
@jacquelineharrod63865 жыл бұрын
Hooray! Now off to the Tube to Barbican.
@amiedolton10914 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, I was so excited to see the tube station at Banbury haha
@HenrysAdventures5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Shuch a same a C Stock train wasn't preserved for working tours on the London Underground.
@ec84514 жыл бұрын
I do believe however that there is still a car in Acton depot
@HenrysAdventures4 жыл бұрын
@@ec8451 There is but only as a static exhibit.
@martinezjuanbarrientos7589 Жыл бұрын
What is the name of the music in the intro of this documentary?
@martinezjuanbarrientos7589 Жыл бұрын
@@geofftech2 To be honest, I’ve never seen this before. Literally, one of my all time favorite KZfaqrs has made a reply. I’ve been following you through all your videos since 2013 since I absolutely love trains.
@Frank-om4fc5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, by the way i do not think you could have had a more knowledgeable driver on the whole of the Underground then Alex.
@CurvedGD3 жыл бұрын
Perfect train wishlist: c stock model, c stock controller, AIR CON
@williammonaghan37245 жыл бұрын
Good video, and what have I missed? Only starting going to London 3 years ago. Managed to get a D-stock single and only chance ride! No c-Stock :( Great Video.... LOL my trips are off Pendy at Euston across the concourse... And then I'm a mole all day!
@vchukwuma5 жыл бұрын
I can hear a lot of wheelslip... Sounds good.
@ChilternTransportProductions5 жыл бұрын
Now you C me, now you don’t!
@tashvadj491411 ай бұрын
All hail the C69 stock! Hall of Fame Kings of LT!!
@mrkipling22013 жыл бұрын
The Bakerloo line must be the only line that has old stock in use still?? I hope they keep them running. I love going on that line and those old stock trains!!
@Jacques1675 Жыл бұрын
The Piccadilly lie still has old stock in use (1973 stock,to be precise)
@171trains3 жыл бұрын
S stock are probably the most common train on the underground
@Emanuel-sx5wv5 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Love the C Stock!
@scl1902 жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@hartstukken4 жыл бұрын
A LU train at Aylesbury hasn't happened since the old Met
@cyberknue15985 жыл бұрын
Can't you put it up for resale? Really want to watch the rest
@firstthingsfast92923 жыл бұрын
C stock is my favorite tube train. I find it really sad.
@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO Жыл бұрын
The C Stock was not a Tube train, it was a Sub-Surface Stock train
@CorvusCorvidae7772 жыл бұрын
If there's no way to get our hands on the full version why not publish it here?
@johnbouttell58275 жыл бұрын
Hi Geoff, I see you are the director. I expect that means you get to say, 'Action!' and 'Cut!'
@1963TOMB4 жыл бұрын
I remember checking the installation of the Connect train radios and ancillary equipment on the C stock in Hammersmith Depot in about 2005/6. BTW doesn't Hammersmith Depot have the longest non thru carriage shed in the country? I seem to recollect that you could park up 3 C Stock trains in a row on the same road inside the shed.
@stapley125 жыл бұрын
They live on in Eastenders' inside carriage shots. Last seen last Thursday on Eastenders.
@andrewdalton10894 жыл бұрын
Great video 🤓
@spare11145 жыл бұрын
You should do a series on the 'track recording' trains of the tube - and other such maintenance trains on the tube. (Assuming TFL would let you).
@PickleKrabs5 жыл бұрын
Oh my God that title
@a.c.b22415 жыл бұрын
I love the c stock but why did you scrap them get them back!!!!
@agent_6055 жыл бұрын
Because they were ancient and falling apart and a potential safety hazard due to the amount of asbestos
@seaside-dn8dp3 жыл бұрын
The C stock was in the worst condition than the other Sub surface stock but that's only because they didn't seem to maintain them that well. They still bring back a lot of memories however since I used to travel on them a lot
@alasdairhowell71925 жыл бұрын
Now you see me, now you don't
@evanslater45514 жыл бұрын
I always thought the C stock looked so cute from the front lol
@PinspotMedia5 жыл бұрын
See those deliveries same time every week lol
@warweezil28025 жыл бұрын
Done a few Edgware rd - Wimbledon’s on these... not to mention a few Sunday circle duties. What are they doing with the triangle now? Does anything get stabled there? Nice to see the guards panel was still there.
@rk82513 жыл бұрын
anyone realised grenfell tower still there
@gamingwithrazor73 жыл бұрын
Me
@mrkipling22013 жыл бұрын
7:30
@WhiteTiger3335 жыл бұрын
That was fascinating! And now I know what's going on when drivers move that lever around. (See it a lot on tram videos, too - of older model trams). The train must be electrified by a third rail because there are no overheads. I wonder why different places electrify their trains differently?
@agent_6055 жыл бұрын
The Underground uses fourth rail system as that's what was originally developed. Most of the old British Rail southern region use third rail as that was the standard in the late 19th/early 20th century, as well as many lines that run in narrow tunnels where there isn't room for overhead wires. Most services north of the Thames use overhead electrification due to it being more reliable and powerful (fastest third rail train can go 108mph versus 357.2mph for overhead) and they were mostly electrified in the last 50-60 years
@WhiteTiger3335 жыл бұрын
@@agent_605 Thank you for clarifying. I appreciate it!