I think my IQ just went up ten points listening to these two gentlemen.

Vivek and Douglas on the same podium. I knew i was on the right side. This here is liquid gold.

My fascination with Vivek is based on his ideas and clear communication. He not only explains what he wants to do but why he wants to do it. Vivek for President in 2024!

Two incredible and eloquent thinkers.

How the hell does this only have 420 views in 2 days? This has to be more KZfaq suppression!

Listening to these brilliant men not only teaches me, it grows and inspires me. Thank you!

Douglas's wit and dry humour is matched by Vivek's quick mind and passion...this was great!

Vivek never fails to inspire. He makes me want to be better.

Great discussion! Vivek never fails to articulate.

We are truly blessed to have Douglas Murray today. He is our modern day William F. Buckley

Cant deny these brilliants minds. Combination of very high IQ and EQ😊

Viva Vivek 2024! 🇺🇸💪🏼💯

Loved " Hardship and victimhood" analysis. Wonderful.

This should have 1mn views.

Love how Vivek used the Exodus analogy after speaking with Jordan Peterson

Vivek just got my heart asking Douglas “what’s that word?”

I have pondered the adolescence of America with regard to respect for life, so my ears have been prepared to hear Vivek’s take on our national age.

I'm so jealous that we don't have anyone of Vivek's calibre in the UK.

Vivek 2024

Excellent conversation, thx for sharing.

I cant wait to listen to these two brilliant people

I was just thinking recently, I wish Douglas Murray and Vivek could talk. That would be a great conversation. And then I found this lol. Brilliant discussion!

As I watched this video, it occurred to me that Douglas Murray reminds me of William F Buckley. I use to watch Firing Line where he use to debate many guests, successfully I might add. Mr Murray is a great asset to our nation at this moment in history. I also really like Vivek Ramaswamy as a candidate for president, I am beginning to think he may be the one we need. Just my two cents

Love both these gentlemen ❤❤

Douglas Murray, thank you!❤

Douglas and Vivek are exactly the same brain.

Incredible. Douglas and Vivek on the same platform, leadership at the crux of world history and fate. Historic words drought down from the mountain. And it is Yom Kipper. Totally biblical.

Love both of these Gentlemen ❤

What a remarkable combination.

I haven’t heard Vivek laugh more in any video. Well played 👏🏼

Who could have imagined that something as obvious as meritocracy would ever be in question?

an intellectual and a leader walk into a bar...

Excellent discussion!!

“Hardship is not the same as victimhood” - VR Exactly! This idea is what is currently differentiating the right/left.

The dark humour of the British is absolutely unmatched LOL

We now have so much information at our fingertips, that we have to filter good information from bad. I believe that young people ignore anything that sounds mean or has responsibility to it. And I mean ignore in the strictest terms, it is like they don't even see the words.

"In my UN-LIVED experience" is actually a huge problem, all these activists, our youth are demanding change or allies to causes they have no experience with. It's about feelings & parroting what they are told is important. I see this in my millennial son who has devolved an attitude in line with many others. Who thinks they have experience, more experience than me & know better than me & anyone else... without the lived experience to form his beliefs.

Vivek2024. Make America SMART Again!!!

Vivek by a landslide ❤

That CS Lewis paraphrase is powerful to me. Thanks Douglas

LOVE both of these men! Both superior intellects and honest. Vivek 2024 ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🇺🇸🇮🇱🙏

1000% correct. So glad they are talking about this which all know yet have tabooed this topic

This video being throttled by KZfaq.

Vivek Ramaswamy is a brilliant mix of intelligence and integrity 🔥 can't wait to see him in office in 2024 ❤

These 2 are so brilliant, I could listen to them all day long, I love how they both appreciate each others intelligence.

Douglas Murray amazing. Vivek im routing for you too!

2:22 😂😂😂 the jab at Malcom Gladwell made me LOL

100%. 25 year olds....Degrees in Biochemistry, MS in Biomedical Engineering, MBA, now Master's in AI. Working as data engineering/coding but nothing from his degree(s). What privilege?

Thank you so much, gentlemen, for your time in having this conversation. This was extraordinary.

The quintessential american and the quintessential Brit... Amazing discussion

Brilliant.

Witt, Brillant! Douglas❤

Vivek 2024 ❤

Great Talk 👍🏾

AGREED 💯

What a great discussion. So surprised to see only 5.5k views.

I have been a Trump supporter; however, Vivek has taken that support. I hope the 2 can work together to make America GREAT again.

Beautiful discussion! Some very fun soundbites in there too. "As opposed to what experience?" :D

VIVEK 2024 🇺🇸

I appreciate this conversation. I wish Vivek would talk to Douglas more than to the crowd. I am more interested in their conversation then talking points.

I do wish when you guys discuss race based affirmative action you could acknowledge that it has played a role in desegregating work environments. I was there in the 70’s when companies were making the decision to hire the first black person. Affirmative action also helped integrate women into the workplace, also something that needed to be done. We no longer need these programs and now they are causing problems, but they served a purpose .

Superb

Each of us should be well grounded in our moral values that is belief in God. Then it’s product is a citizen who loves to work hard, do the right choice, and be a good citizen this is what is lacking among our youth and others. Let moral values be taught back in schools, church should do their part. God bless us all! Vivek for president.

Good

Vivek 2024!

Two of the saner minds in these crazy 'woke' times.

Thanks for the discussion. The problem with democracy is that it is the government of the average, by the average, and for the average. Vivek Ranaswamy is swiming against the current. Good luck.

🙏👍❤️🇺🇸 "Master of work versus Master of woke" we are at this point in America. Now we have to go back to Meritocracy. Fight is on. It will happen. Once people understand, half the problems are solved. I am happy. 🙏

Douglas reminds me of someone 🤔 like a young Simon Cowell but for politics. Very direct and blunt and may come off as rude but it’s for the best.

Murray reminds me of William F. Buckley’s way of talking and some their content seem similar. wow

Sorry I'm late to this one.

The problem with "Truth" is we have lost the definition of truth. There is no longer *THE* truth, but *HIS* truth, *HER* truth, *MY* truth, or *Your* truth. Without a concrete definition of "truth", how can *anyone* "speak truth to power"?

Douglas Murray should run for office

The underrated views happens to be so because the kind of intellect and language appreciation here being discussed cannot be comprehend by most....... Most would be intoxicated by the exhuberance of the level of verbosity used.

That final quote by C.S. Lewis was .....wooooo....is someone cutting an onion in here. 😅

Meritocracy must neither decelerate nor *accelerate* one's vocational advancement due to immutable characteristics. Talent and demonstrated ability alone must determine worthiness of praise or reward.

If i could change myself to talk like and have the intellect of someone it would absolutely be douglass murray, 2nd choice christopher hitchens

What is the word Douglas was mentioning? Asidine/ acidi sounding word? Can anyone help with the actual spelling ✌️

It seems to me that Douglas is one of Vivek's intellectual mentors. Douglas' opening statement is very close to Vivek's premise of running for President. I hope I'm right, Douglas Murray is a Western Civ. champion.

Everyone like the video, helps beat the algorithm

Well. This is most excellent. Douglas outshines Vivek, sorry Vivek! But they are both quite brilliant. I Douglas weren’t gay I’d….

Why is Douglas not making eye contact?

Suffering is not victim hood. Quote of the night

Did Vivake borrow his Exodus analogy from his talks with Peterson? Lmao

12:30 Vivek speaks

#Vivek2024

I love Vivek. If you want Vivek to win you must be a registered Republican to vote in the Primary to beat Trump….

We eagerly replace the mesh of Meritocracy with the muddle of Mediocrity.

Vivek, I would like to hear you discuss your experience at the FDA with your prostate pharma product. Can we make sure your "bio-tech" development and approval bears no resemblance to "big pharma?" Thank you.

Douglas needs to be in Viveks team and Trump if he wins. Trump would agree with all this because Vivek is taking it further forward than Trump did.

The USA NEED a leader-in-charge who actually KNOWS the Constitution and the LAW!!! Why did you elect a demented old man???? And why are your 'law-makers" old and half dead?!

VIVEK 2024

What these men are is intelligent 'without' assuming special status for fortune of that gift. It is very common amongst 'true' intellectuals, who, balanced or recovered (from public education), care only about ideas, and not about how they or their gift can be monetized (thought they often become wealthy as a biproduct of their good fortune). Those who 'consider' themselves 'elite', for possessing some other 'asset' (usually inherited wealth, beauty, talent, athletic ability, or 'memory, which is used to synthesize intelligence through academic resonance) not widely more given, aren't made grateful and settled by that simple good fortune, what they want is for 'you' to realize, accept, and publicly acknowledge that you are not as 'good' as them. They don't, as is incorrectly said of them, always or necessarily additionally want power or wealth. Their egos often and only require your respect and deference. Only those who suffer greater insecurity pursue (as opposed to suffer) fame or celebrity as a broader means to greater evidence of their personal superiority and status above the status quo. The architecture of 'elitism' is 'institutional' narcissism.

I am sure the community here could answer my understanding of meritocracy… in a class of 10 students, if in case a prospective employer is willing to hire only one.. it’s absolutely clear that the kid who scored 7.76 gets selected and the kid who scored a 4.5 doesn’t stand a chance. That being said the kid who scored 7.75..should he accept this is the way system works? I am sure I have over simplified the broad nature of what the speakers define as merit… let’s assume the score is aggregate of a lot of factors.. (scores in a exam, leadership, etc…)… my view is that the kid who came in second is an ideal candidate for the left to radicalize considering the kid who came second turns resentful and the left would make him feel like a victim blaming the system…. Would be grateful for any thoughts on this!

Douglass forgot about 'My Truth."

Vivek and I hold differing opinions on abortion. From my perspective, the central issue revolves around whether it's a matter of a woman's autonomy over her body during pregnancy or if abortion should be approached as a human rights concern, regulated through political discourse. I believe that the choice to pursue an abortion should be based on physical, environmental, and physiological factors, and should be individually assessed. To truly prioritize the well-being of unborn fetuses, American legislators should invest in pre-fertilization abortion prevention options. By the time abortion is discussed with a patient, it often becomes a yes-or-no choice. My stance involves discontinuing abortion clinics, reducing social and economic barriers to abortion access in the United States, and ensuring that the decision-making process includes the patient, doctor, clergy, father, and family, without undue external influences.

Meritocracy alone is not sufficient. It must be accompanied by articulation.

It seems like this video has been ShadowBanned by KZfaq ‼ Blackrock and Vanguard ⁉️

Dougie is a tad too pleased with himself. Vivek, however, spot on.

Hardy and Ramanujan ? 😂