Original Video @kurzgesagt • Building a Marsbase is...
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@tfolsenuclear7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for watching! If you want to see my reaction to a terraforming Mars video, please check out: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7FhlrOSttaUnmw.htmlsi=KHlnDdr5GyKJ_rPG
@KGTiberiusАй бұрын
Terraforming would be great… if we could move the Pluto-Charron system. 1 as an impactor, the other as a moon. Water, potential dynamo assistance, heat, evaporative action for atmosphere… no we just need to relocate a binary system. lol
@KGTiberiusАй бұрын
Underground… use existing lava tubes. 👍
@Alice.597 ай бұрын
To put the whole building underground would mean digging pretty deep, which is hard without some really heavy machinery, and you will probably hit solid rock slab a few cm deep... Covering the building with ice and dirt don't require you to dig deep, only to gather dirt on the surface on a larger area, much more feasible by a small sized loader
@Skyte1006 ай бұрын
Plus they'd have to...build the habitat on mars. Instead of building it here and landing it on mars.
@Idontknow838297 ай бұрын
"make more nuclear reactors" -Tfolsenuclear
@roykositzky22527 ай бұрын
Thank you for making these videos I'm very happy that you do this this is a distraction on my daily life I am currently living in my wife's aunt's backyard with 2 kids looking for a new place to call home. I am a stay-at-home dad, wife works full time. you give me something to smile about thanks
@cegicreator24767 ай бұрын
you'll find your forever home soon! best of luck to ya!
@S1L3NTIGamer7 ай бұрын
Hey man, from one guy struggling to another. Just keep your head up. Life can throw a lot of shit our way but things are better on the other side. Stay strong brother.
@jdrissel7 ай бұрын
Somewhere in this process some nation or corporation will deploy a thermonuclear rocket, which will cut travel time and open the transit window. We have already built such rockets, so it is just a matter of getting one built in orbit and building a ship around it. Then it would boost back and forth between earth and mars, spending a little time at each end in orbit while it is unloaded and reloaded and people get transferred to and from the surface. Most cargo will be left in orbit and most of the new cargo will already be in orbit. What can't be in orbit or left in orbit is people and other cargos that are sensitive to radiation - this is because of the radiation in space more so than radiation from the thermonuclear rocket.
@patrickmorrissey22717 ай бұрын
@ 4:33 I agree with you... Even let's say an "office building" sized outpost??? One small reactor would run that for many years.....
@Automaton_00007 ай бұрын
Love your content man due to you adding your own knowledge about the subject!! 😊😊
@mythiccass38377 ай бұрын
I'd imagine a base would be made with prefabricated parts & probably in a crater which is already half way to being underground, then later dig into the sides one you've got your initial setup settled. Saves having to dig just to get your first base set up.
@conorstewart22147 ай бұрын
The problem with prefabricated parts is that you have to get them to Mars, which takes a long time and since the parts would be large and heavy it would be very expensive. That’s why there is a lot of interest on using material on Mars to build with. The first small settlements will probably be prefabricated though.
@mythiccass38377 ай бұрын
@@conorstewart2214 Makes sense, can't rely on everything to be prefabricated, so probably something as small as possible to get started with before using local materials as much as possible.
@Achmedsander7 ай бұрын
Most have this obsession of living on a surface of a planet so a lot of sci-fi seems to focus on this. You just avoid so many problems by just digging holes instead.
@ancapftw91137 ай бұрын
Or living in lava tubes. That's my favorite way to live on other planets.
@kolyashinkarev73667 ай бұрын
@@ancapftw9113or living on asteroids, much less of a hussle
@ancapftw91137 ай бұрын
Let me correct a few issues he raised: 1) "water won't really be an issue if you build at the poles" Or anywhere, really. Martian regolith is 5-14% water by mass, whereas moist soil on Earth is 40%. So you would only need to freeze dry 1.5-7 times the soil volume depending on where you were to get it up to that level. And this would be easy, as the outside temperature and pressure are already near the correct level. 2) "the soil is alkaline" "there isn't any nitrogen in the soil" those two issues solve each other. Nitric acid can be made by setting off a spark in a mixture of nitrogen and oxygen (nitrogen and CO2 are the main components of the atmosphere) to make Nitrous oxide (whoch also exists in the air in small amounts, probably due to lightning), letting it react with more oxygen to make NO2, and reacting that with water. When that mixes with an alkeline substance, like the soil, it will make nitrate salts. 3) various radiation and low gravity issues. Didn't you start this with the assumption that we had a moon base for support? Both issues would be worse on Luna, so we would likely have at least partially solved both of them by then. 4) "the soil is toxic" Mostly due to perchlorates, which are water soluable and decay into cloride salts and oxygen when baked, thus helping you make some of your initial oxygen. Except for ammonium perclorate, which decays into nitrogen, oxygen, and chlorine, thus also making nitrogen for nitric acid production or atmospherics. 5) "with no communication with the outside world" Do satelites not exist? There is no reason we can't launch a few cubesats in orbit to relay messages to a few more powerful ones that can get messages to Earth. Sure, there is an 8-30 minute delay on the signal getting there, but email is low bandwidth and even sending video might be possible with a good enough signal. So, in conclusion, air, water, and growing crops arent major issues, communications can be handled by a descent satellite, and energy issues can be fixed by nuclear.
@neon17187 ай бұрын
3) Wouldn't it be less of a problem due to the fact that the launch window for an optimal trajectory to the moon is a couple of weeks or a few months instead of 26 months like Mars. The travel time is also vastly different between the 3 days from the moon to earth vs 6 months from Mars to Earth at 0g. You could probably cycle out the astronauts before any significant muscle and/or muscle deterioration happens plus cancer risks.
@patrickmorrissey22717 ай бұрын
@ 8:00 Let's imagine for a second what it would take, to take apart say a full size Excavator to Mars... Like a CAT 336... That thing is hard to move around on earth.... I mean, you'd need it, to build underground.... and you'd need it to basically "cover" your base after you built it.....
@steelplasma2567 ай бұрын
5:13 I think the implication is that it is not an actual reactor but a simple RTG. Less maintenance, less moving parts, already proven to work reliably on Mars. With the different gravity the reactor design would need some modifications and fluid dynamics might not be the same as on earth. Then again this is a hypothetical scenario so perhaps a reactor was already designed to be usable in microgravity or mars gravity. Carry on.
@ancapftw91137 ай бұрын
The only issues with that is that the cost is massive due to the rarity of P238, and the output is limited to kilowatts. Something like the SNAP series of reactors would be far better.
@andrewreynolds9126 ай бұрын
As someone who wants to become an astronaut buildong a base on the moon is such an obvious thing we should do first as a pit stop and as a way to sent stuff to mars at lower costs once we get infrastructure set up
@Merennulli7 ай бұрын
Even on Earth, it's often cheaper to bury a small structure rather than construct it underground. The initial phase of tunneling is digging that isn't benefiting your subsurface structure, so the length of tunnel defines the tradeoff where initial cost of angled digging outweighs the cost of digging vertically until the structure becomes large enough. Nobody ever uses a tunnel boring machine (TBM) to bury a storage tank here on earth, they always dig straight down and then bury it. And that's going to be roughly the size of a Mars structure for several generations. There's also the issue of getting equipment to Mars. A TBM is a lot harder to transport in pieces to Mars than a tracked excavator. And with the lower gravity, the work of excavating is lower while the work of digging horizontally is almost the same. The only way it would make sense to tunnel on Mars is if you expand civilization there enough to need a subway, or if you develop high-duration autonomous tunnel boring machines. We're certainly working on the latter, but let's just say the Mars colony is closer to reality right now.
@imarchello7 ай бұрын
Valles Marineris canyon. Walls on both sides. Dome it over and you're good.
@user-vt8lk9cq6yАй бұрын
There is a reason that Doom is in its core a Horrorgame and it plays on mars.
@WolfkunDotInfo7 ай бұрын
Second work shift has ended. Miners, return to barracks.
@dylanherrera53957 ай бұрын
i feel like hes had "a little over 10 years or experience" for around 10 years now
@kewinkarlsjo92487 ай бұрын
Yay new video
@shardinhand12437 ай бұрын
1:06 we very simply must reach and colinize mar, if we refuse to or fail to, we are doomed. isolation on this sigle planet will inevitably end with our extinction, its a matter of when, not if.
@MatthewSuffidy7 ай бұрын
You could just about colonize Mars if you had like an anti-gravity means or something like that to get there. With rockets it is just too much stuff to get there.
@Kivas_Fajo7 ай бұрын
It is, because Mars has no dynamo, which means Total Recall all become mutants...and die.
@chrstfer24527 ай бұрын
If we actually moved real nuclear tech into space, the 2yr travel window/time goes down to like 6mo on average iirc, because we dont need to worry about transfer windows we can just steam there.
@chrstfer24527 ай бұрын
Building our interplanetary ships in space is a prerequisite too, and SMRs will help fantastically because theyre so self-contained. So basically it comes down to returning a single iron/nickel asteroid to translunar orbit (i think thats the term) and bootstrapping infrastructure on that. Afterwards we're ready to colonize wherever in the solar system, difficulty scaling with radial distance from the sun instead of with complicated slingshot calendars.
@Bzysio.7 ай бұрын
it all takes so long
@kewinkarlsjo92487 ай бұрын
Liked your comment
@isakrynell87717 ай бұрын
I don’t think we will colonise Mars. There are plenty of places on earth that are much less hostile to life that we have not inhabited. The Sahara, the bottom of the Atlantic, Antarctica just to name a few. Unless there is something insanely valuable on Mars that requires our presence I don’t think we will ever build cities there. A couple of research stations maybe but not much more than that.
@clarenceorozco53003 ай бұрын
You ain't convincing those fanatics
@57thorns7 ай бұрын
But first we need to crawl by creating a moon base, and orbital industry. Right now, all we have is ISS, a small scientific outpost barely outside the atmosphere. The moon base is probably easier than orbital industries.
@DanielAusMV-op9mi6 ай бұрын
We are citizens of Earth ❤🌎🌍🌏❤
@beansnrice3217 ай бұрын
I'm really only interested in colonizing planets after we master geoengineering on earth. We haven't even made a successful isolated climate on earth. Both bio domes were failures beyond the use for rudimentary research.
@An_M4A37 ай бұрын
I have seen martion to many times
@DanielAusMV-op9mi6 ай бұрын
🌐🌍🌎🌏🗺️ We are Citizens of World, that was a nice flag in the video ❤
@mikeyunovapix71817 ай бұрын
We can probably obtain nuclear fuel for reactors from mining asteroids.
@patrickmorrissey22717 ай бұрын
Okay, my comments aside, great job on this video. Colonizing America was no picnic.... Trying to go to the North Pole was no picnic.... Lotta people died, trying to do that....
@tfolsenuclear7 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it, thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@patrickmorrissey22717 ай бұрын
@@tfolsenuclear Listen, some of my comments are a little snarky, and I apologize for that.... I love what you are doing in these videos. You are bringing to light that nuclear is our future... Both here and in outer space.... So, thank you for doing what you are doing.... Solar and wind, would be great compliments, to a robust nuclear power system..... But, I do not know, how you advance that discussion into the mainstream of society....
@As3th8r7 ай бұрын
The constant promotion for nuclear on this channel is leaving marks in my brain. Repeated messages work wonders for people who are on the border between liking or disliking.
@BelgorathTheSorcerer7 ай бұрын
I agree with their conclusion. It is going to be difficult and there are going to have to be sacrifices made to achieve a colony on Mars, but it will be worth it. I think the first step we need to take though is getting it together here on Earth. We need to start being one unified species and stop with all the nationalism and racism and other bullshit dividing us.
@Claudiu_S_from_Canada7 ай бұрын
We were really meant to only live on this planet.
@network_king7 ай бұрын
How would you even grow anything once the soil was cleaned with poor atmosphere. In my thinking unless you can make a magnetic field then recreate some valid atmosphere doing anything like this on mars is just a waste or time and resources. I think we know more about mars than some spots on earth. I used to like the mars idea but it just seems so incredibly impractical and think resources can be better put to use here.
@Claudiu_S_from_Canada7 ай бұрын
And that's why we should stay on the earth, and stop dreaming and wasting money on space.
@cheeseparis17 ай бұрын
Looks easier to terraform our own planet first!
@patrickmorrissey22717 ай бұрын
@ 3:12 We're going to assume there's already a MoonBase, to act as a hub for Mars Missions..... Uhhhh.... Heh heh!!! We're a LONG LONG LONG LONG WAYS from that happening..... At this moment, we can't even visit the INt'l Space Station on our own, we have to pay those fun loving Russians Cab Fare to go.... Which is not ideal... Moonbase.... Hmmm. I daresay, by the time we got our sh&t together, got organized, and got after it???? Tyler will not be alive to see an "Up & running" functional robust Moonbase in his lifetime.... Let alone mine. I doubt my Nephew will see it.... Heh heh heh!!! I love the narrator's casual nonchalant "Let's assume we have a Moonbase".... Heh heh heh heh!!! Sure, why not... While we're at it, let's just assume that "Solex Agitator" thing from the Bond Movie exists & works, and we can pop up a solar panel the size of a US Flag and get 1000 amps of 220 AC off of it..... Heh heh heh!!! And store the excess power in a stable cell also, and use on demand at our leisure, any excess coming off the solar panels.... Why not? That might actually be less far-fetched than a Moonbase.... We can't even build a pipeline from Canada to Baton Rouge without people getting their panties in a twist.... Moonbase??? Don't hold your breath....
@_AcatHat7 ай бұрын
Does SpaceX go to the space station? Cargo and crew? I realize Elon wasn't born in America but he's not Russian.
@sephrot68307 ай бұрын
honestly with NASA starting to roll out artemis missions we could start having functioning moon base in 1-3 decades. Its insane how well our collaborative efforts were with building the International Space Station that we know it’s feasible to do it again We pay for Russia Space station because NASA prefers just spending our time and money on other Artemis and other projects and leave the quick traveling to space to Space x or any Russia space craft
@Royallblu7 ай бұрын
@@_AcatHat The Problem is SpaceX is way more expensive than the russians.... But unfortunately they decided to want some Ukraine so we can't use them anymore.
@patrickmorrissey22717 ай бұрын
@@_AcatHat From what I can gather, you are correct Sir. At one time, The Russians were the only option. I was under the impression that SpaceX had flown supplies to the space station, but not astronauts. Apparently I was wrong. They have flown both Astronauts and supplies to the space station.... I apologize.
@jobanh7ify7 ай бұрын
After watching all of that my question is; what would be the point if our lives there depends on the function and maintenance of all the equipment we need to survive? If something breaks down we’re doomed
@jirkavebr-czmapper80597 ай бұрын
It was the same when colonizing America. If there was one bad harvest, a lot of people died from starvation. No supplies could get to the colony in time as sending ship to Europe and back took atleast month. Also if the colony was attacked by natives or other colonial power, sending a message to home country, collecting army and sending it back also meant that the colony could be in hands of others weeks prior to arrival of said army. Nonetheless we Europeans still done that and that is the reason USA exists for example. People weren't afraid to travel really far and estabilish new settlements even tho it wasn't easy and chance to die was pretty high
@ancapftw91137 ай бұрын
That's why you have redundancy.
@splaturials91567 ай бұрын
Wrong video lol they just did A new one but it thats not nuclear
@FalcoGer7 ай бұрын
I don't see the "benefit for us all". Mars is a wasteland that has nothing to offer.
@An_M4A37 ай бұрын
But space
@TearMetoBitsDarling7 ай бұрын
But space!
@golden--hand7 ай бұрын
And it will always be that way unless we choose to start putting in the work to make it something else at some point. It might take decades or a century to make habitable, but the benefit at the end could be a 'backup Earth'; a second safe space for our species to doge a mass extinction event ending us out of the blue. Which would be a safety net our species has never had in all of our history. It would be worth 100 years of work even if it doesn't benefit us TODAY.
@chuckschillingvideos7 ай бұрын
A Mars base is not just a horrible idea. It's a completely idiotic idea.
@dreadpiraterobertsnumba57 ай бұрын
Definitely not the worst idea. Better than living in space.
@sephrot68307 ай бұрын
with so little to gain too. Sending out rovers or anything else to do any experiment or resource we need is much safer and smarter. Atleast until we have sci fi technology to terraform mars centuries into the future
@chuckschillingvideos7 ай бұрын
@@dreadpiraterobertsnumba5 And what makes you believe we would ever have to face living "in space" ????
@dreadpiraterobertsnumba57 ай бұрын
@@chuckschillingvideos If we ever want to leave the solar system, which we will.
@chuckschillingvideos7 ай бұрын
@@dreadpiraterobertsnumba5 Who is "we" that you are referring to. Why do you assume that this would ever be an imperative? Are you under the assumption that the funds and resources for these absurd propositions are just going to drop out of the sky?
@LSZOE20017 ай бұрын
Don't forget to clean the airlock with a wet piece of cloth before closing because Mars dust will prevent a good seal.