Funny I was looking at this model this week. But haven't seen any less than 22k. Where are these 14k porsche 911s

Having 4 seats and being a 4 seater are completely different things 😀

Great example of man maths...I’ve used this approach several times 😂

4 seats Jack 🤔🤔 Maybe for your dog from last week mate 😂 Interesting review I really enjoyed it 👍

My wife bought herself a brand new 997 in October 2004 (54 reg) and it has been her daily drive ever since. Now done 95K miles and no thoughts of replacing it yet. Wonderful car to drive and I often think it must be nearly unique as there cannot be many early 1 owner early 997s about.

Best way to keep operating costs down for this car, is to keep it in your garage and look at it every so often. Cheers.

I just sold one of these, your maths is not quite right there after running one for 4 years and this is from someone who owns their own engineering work shop so labour was free. When parts needs replacing it ain't fiesta money, and every morning you are concerned about the taps of death. I had a lengthy chat with Hartech before buying mind at 70k on the clock. They were very helpful but insinuated that bore scoring was inevitable at some point and 3.8 were most effected because of the bigger capacity. Advised to always have 10k ready for an engine rebuild with inflation that is now 15k. That dodgu gear change you felt is an easy fix mind. Plastic part under centre console

Excellent viewpoint and totally agree, having run a 996 in the past (issues resolved before I owned it) it’s a first-class daily and I’m looking to pick up one soon to use again as daily- driver. Far more involved, rewarding and characterful to own than usual stuff in same price bracket (Audi yawn-mobiles et al). Anyone who hasn’t owned/driven one, I’d recommend it! Buy a good ‘un and you won’t regret.

996 and 7s....beyond the IMS bearing issues early 997s like this car had the weaker 996 type external unit - I would change it regardless if there is no record of it in the history. Front struts and top mounts take a battering and normally need swapping out ,as do the front radiators and aircon condensers that weep along with the front coolant transfer pipes. The aircon pipe which runs along the drivers side floor to the can rust around the clips and leak gas - and and the coolant expansion bottle gets brittle and cracks with age. A set of decent tyres will set you over a grand too . Don't get me wrong I love 911s - but experience tells me that as a second car and a play thing - a 15 year old 997 makes sense - but as an everyday proposition a 15 year old 14k 997 would very quickly turn in to a 25k car once you've debugged it.

I fear that your boundless optimism and emotions are affecting your maths and risk assessment unfortunately ... Given the nature of the marketplace, if such exotic cars could make so much financial sense, then the market prices would go up too ... ... and in my experience, if you were the lucky one to find an exception as a daily driver, some plonker would crash into you and the Insurance company refuse to pay for repairs ! However, nothing wrong with enthusiastic optimism that brings some cheer and interesting videos of what might be possible ...

Makes much more sense than a new kitchen too.

Was really happy when the 997 went back to the round headlights. Always thought about buying a 997 second hand till I got the chance to get the 992. Great video 👍

Good old "man maths" gotta love it ;-)

It’s great to see Mike Brewery back on the box. His fallout with Eddy Chinese clearly hasn’t affected him too much. Sweet.

More Porsche stuff please, really enjoyed this 👍

Great to see a Porsche on your channel again Jack, you need a permanent addition of one on your channel again. Really loved your Porsche content in the past 👍🏻😎

Great to see you in a Porsche again Jack. You really need to get yourself one of these 997, the Porsche scene on KZfaq has exploded! Think about how much more subscribers you will get and the fun experience marking video content out of it.

Thanks for the information im looking to buy a 997 the dreaded ims question. is it right the 997.2 doesn't have that issue . But still check bore score?

Allow to have the IMS bearing done if it hasnt been already.

Great video as always. I love owning modern classics and currently have a 996 c4s that have had for 4 years and had zero depreciation and only servicing bills. I don’t however thing this would be the case if I was using it as my daily driver. Agree with some other comments more Porsche vids please.

I have owned a Porsche Boxster from 2001-4 & a 997 from 2004-16, both from new. Unless you are going to do the servicing yourself both OPC & reputable independents are not cheap. Remember that a "Full Porsche Service History" is essential if you are going to get good money come resale so unless you are running a leggy dog of a car you want to maintain a good reputable history file. Its when you need to replace parts that any comparison with Ford/Vauxhall prices fade into comparison. Example, the radiators/air con condensers are vulnerable to damage & cost £1300 to replace (2015 prices). Coolant & air conditioning pipework that are routed in the engine bay is a known failure issue & an engine out job. Tandem pump corrosion requiring replacement & due to the boxer engine, coil packs are over exposed to the environment causing cracking, engine misfire & requiring regular replacement. The 997.1 cars carry over the M96 engine from the 996: bore score is not a question of "If" but "when" it will happen because of the inherent design flaws of the unit as well as sudden failure of the intermediate shaft bearing resulting in immediate & catastrophic engine failure.

Great second bar though admire anyone buying this as their only car, love the video

Mmmm being a bit of a Porsche aficionado I love 911’s they’re brilliant but I’m so glad you mentioned the bore scoring , a mod on the thermostat can save it , of course they still have a crap IMS bearing that can break , expensive to refurbish the suspension and coolant pipes under the car can burst but instead of a fiesta errr no ! As well as a fiesta instead of buying an expensive car definitely the way to go

I bought a 987 Boxster base, no bore score 5 speed strongest box. Added race cats and goes very well indeed, do think about a Boxster great handling esp if lowered. Mine cost less than 6 grand and looks as good as that 911 imo.

Beautiful car. I will buy this all day long. But in South Africa these are still bloody expensive with no bargains to be had. So I will stick with my current two Porsches for now!

Well thanks very much... I already have a p38 Range Rover (16yrs) and an e46 325 sport (7yrs) and have always fancied a 997 too but decided that what I had was enough and shouldn’t have three, esp as my wife has an slk and an Abarth 500. I’ve watched your video and now it’s set me off again!! (Good video though, your friend has my perfect 997, black on black, manual transmission and no sunroof) Cheers 👍😀

It's the repairs that will cost. A new fiesta has a warranty. Just compare the cost of a new set of tyres with a Fiesta.

Cheers Jack great info. I was lucky to have a couple of 996 4S and they were the best everyday car I have ever had even down to the eight loaves of bread I could get in the front!!! Not too sure about about a CAT S for family use🚒👍

its advertised for £17,750 he did a good job to drop it down to 14k!! I need to learn his negotiating skills!

I love the way you keep it real, and even when you Cock it up you just leave it in. Totally agree with you everyone needs to have a Porsche sometime in their life.

A Porsche finally, there you go mate!👍

Good video....lovely car for the money ....looks really great

This looks new to me! Hope to get one of these before too long, what a proper, proper car! I agree more Porsche please Jack.

Well done, great car and great wheels, love the colour! You need a German car when you have an Italian one or two!

Frank & Dan or Jack & Stan... very nice Car, great Price! Great video and I hope that all is well with you and your Family Jack! Hope you're Safe and Healthy! ❤🙏❤

This is misleading. The cost to run these is mad, I have had two and when things go wrong it’s always £300. Then every so often something bigger goes and it’s 1000+ the tyres etc.

I proposed this to my 20 year old son. His insurance quote for the 911 came back at £11,780 per year. I've told him to grow a pair and be more like me, a settled middle aged man who works from home with equity in his house and 15 years no claims with Admiral. What is the matter with these people, can't they see how much better a Porsche 911 is than a Ford Fiesta! Fools the lot of them. don't make me get my calculator out again boy.

Great as a second car just for some self indulgent weekend use. Otherwise, forget it.

Great vlog the car I've been looking at as a keeper done all the vag classics one of these will hopefully be next.

Great vlog and i am sure it would bring more people who were on a verge of buying one into doing that... I wouldn't though be seeing the running costs too rosy, because i have one for about 5 years now (actually a 996, but technically these cars are very close) and i have few friends with 996 and 997's. So, whereas for example a Lotus Elise S2 with Toyota 2ZZGE engine cost me just to change oil, brake pads, tyres and filters before every new season and hardly ever needs anything else, the Porsche has had a full engine rebuild since i bought it. I did it while other service was done on the car and engine /gearbox were out and it turned out just about right time. Little bore scoring issue on 3.4 engine, IMS good for change, clutch, timing chains and variocam, it needed few hydrolifters, conrod bearings and main bearings i suppose and few other bits and bobs. The engine is now running on steel liner inserts and alloy pistons from Woessner. It's been done almost 3 yrs ago and runs perfect since. My mechanic, porsche specialist basically say, every M96 or M97 engine would need a sort of rebuild one day. It's cheaper to rebuild slightly precaucionary before anything bad happens to it, which was my case. The 997 S the 3.8 block is actually most expensive for rebuilds out of the range and if the block cracks or anything happens a new one from Porsche is really costly. The price for the black one from the vlog is fantastic deal ... but to want to be very honest with everyone, i'd recommend all people to keep a good cash aside to cover repair costs if things go bad. I agree though, that these are great cars. I don't regret ever buying one and not planning to replace it with anything else for long time... But let's be fair - it's not as cheap as new Fiesta :-D

loving the porsche stuff.

Always get the bores checked before you buy any gen 1 997 3.8!!! I bought one with similar miles from an auction a few years ago, before I knew about this problem. That was ok until it had done about 20 miles each time, then it would start smoking and burning lots of oil. I had to put nearly as much oil in that as I did petrol!!! I had to put it in an auction to sell it, and luckily got my money back. I recently looked at buying another one with similar miles, and the bores were scored when I had it checked. But you wouldn't know unless you you checked the cylinders with a scope. A rebuild to cure this is about £7,000!!! I would never buy a gen 1 3.8 now because of this, unless I can see proof it has had a rebuild to cure the problem. The gen 2 ones are ok.

Dear Stan, What we all want to know is, what does it feel like at 90 on the freeway? Regards, Slim.

Thanks for a very interesting video, I have a very early 997s and agree with Jesse's comments, I bought mine with the certain knowledge it would need an engine rebuild at some stage. Sure enough at 70k miles it is showing the expected signs of bore scoring, heavy oil use and black carbon deposits on the tail pipes. But I went into this with my eyes open and budgeted accordingly. As for servicing and service parts, as long as it does not say Porsche on it, parts are readily available and reasonably priced, , I just replaced all my discs and pads with OEM parts for £400 including labour. Alternators, starter motors etc are very well priced when measured against other high end cars such as Mercedes, Audi, or BMW. Just don't damage a headlight! Great drivers car in every sense.

You're correct bringing up the bore scoring issue with this car and if it's not blowing out blue smoke at the back, particularly from the left hand exhaust you're fine. The other scary issue with this 2004/5 car is the IMS Bearing, if that goes bang you're lookng at an 8-10k rebuild and unlike bore scoring which is a gradual failure where you're warned of impending doom there is no such warning with the IMS, when it starts to fail you don't know of it until your engine is destroyed. Most owners fit the upgraded bearing when their clutch needs replacing or you can buy yourself out of the problem if you go for a later 2008 car which doesn't suffer this.

I've had three 911s including a 997 C4S and all cost at least double what you quoted to run for a year. Great cars though, keep up the good work.

Don't forget also one of the few sports cars that takes a roof rack - allows you to do all your B&Q shopping or take a tent camping - just saying :)

the main issue - You need deep pockets vs the fiesta if anything goes wrong (and it will) mind you I would still be tempted ha

Brilliant video, and love the car

my dad had a similar bargain in mid 80s with a 911 targa. We had a lot of fun with it but I remember him complaining about the running costs and most important abot how car behaved somehow strangely over 200km/h.

That car is loaded with options. It has the full leather package, sport chrono package, PASM, adaptive sport seats and the sport steering wheel. This car was probably $100-110k USD new. I owned a 2007 C2S and it was a spectacular road car.

Nice one Dan ... great find ..

I love the man maths, I'm off shopping 👍

I got a 05 plate carrera s cabriolet with 150k and a rebuild engine which is like new for 16ka year back now.best purchase I ever made.had it bore scoped before I got it.only problem is if you like upgrading them. I'm lowering mine 30mm and that's costing 5k with new shocks and alot of other little bits.

Keep us in the loop on how Stan gets on after a year please

Great video and you could see how taken you were with the 911, definitely should be the next car to see just how they are to run as a daily driver, life is too short, appreciate there are times you just have to have a vehicle to do a job or run the family but once you have a choice there’s nothing better for petrol heads, I have had 10 986/987 Boxster’s at various times over the last 10 years all of which were between 50k and 100k mileage wise and all of them have been brilliant and sold on for roughly what I paid for them less some servicing expenses, it’s easy to make excuses not to take a small chance on them but if you do you’ll actually drive to work with a smile on your face for a change- I currently run a 2001 986 with 97,000 miles, it’s brilliant and I paid £4000 for it, my plan is to change for another 987 in the spring and I’m pretty sure I’ll get my £4000 back !

This is the reason we bought a Cayman as our daily drive. Looked at newer cars but for the price we got a hell of a good well built car that is enjoyable to drive. We dont really miss not having 4 seats so it works for us so gotta agree it's a good move

Love this video! With a good specialist Porsche running costs are not that bad just need to look after them properly. Would love a 997 if I was to move on from my Cayman.

Was it checked for bore scoring?

I did exactly this many years ago. Bought a 911T targa from Munich and ran it for years with just tyres, pads and a manifold set. Sold it for double, however it would have been worth 10x now.

I'm just glad to see you got dressed!

watched this as it popped up in my feed (now subscribed!), instantly went to Autotrader to look for 997 carrera S's and found this very car for £18k. Zero depreciation?! More like £4k appreciation if it sells for that! NICE

I'll be honest, that was a surprise. Definitely looks like a £50 grand car! And, good point about the depreciation on the fiesta!

Always a fab watch, thank you

£14k gets you into a decent mx5 nd. More fun to use on UK roads and reliability built in.

I had a 996 4S and did exactly the sums you talked about and over 4 years it cost less overall, (inc depreciation) than my wife's Ford S Max. However, driven in a fairly spritely manner, I was only getting 4,000 miles out of a set of Pirelli rear tyres. Fiesta vs 996... I'd buy the tyres again and enjoy it once more. Great stuff; thanks very much. p.s. My fully comp insurance with 5,000 miles for a (then) 45 year old was £190 a year... ;-)

My cousin bought one recently it drove beautiful. I never asked how much he paid but 14k is a lot cheaper than I was expecting

People know about the IMS bearing issue, but I am glad you mentioned Bore Scoring as it is probably the bigger problem on 997.1s especially on those built after March of 2006 where they got the larger, but non-serviceable IMS bearing. Bore Scoring is caused by a metallurgy problem and is mostly prevalent in cars from cold weather climates. The problem, at least in the US was exacerbated by certain mid-western winter fuel blends which caused the fuel being injected to wash away oiling. Apparently when it is really cold the pistons don't have sufficient clearance in the sleeves. They fixed this in the new 9A1 engine in the 997.2. So if you can, look for 997.1 cars with a warm weather history and that will greatly lessen the probability of bore scoring, though I believe it is still possible. To be clear bore scoring means you will need an engine rebuild and this will be more expensive than the car featured in the video. All this was enough to push me into a 997.2 S 6-speed though they are more expensive, they also have more power and updated infotainment systems. If you are not afraid of higher miles, a higher mileage 997.2 may only be $10k more than a lower mileage 997.1, where as if mileage is equivalent the .2 may be $20k more.

Love the change of car, precisely why I changed my modern SUV for a 2008 997.1 C4S. A great drivers car and with many independent Porsche service centres around why not give them a go. More Porsche content please. Ps I also love the Ferrari.

Where can you buy one of these 997 for 14k?

How did you manage to get it for 14 grand? They are for more expensive when I am looking around

Fantastic, loved this video- but you two guys have a phd in man maths for sure 🤓👍

sweet review!thx

To be honest Jack you can run a car like this on a budget.... a bloody huge one!!!😆😆😆😆😆😆

After 1 year I needed new pads and discs on my Fiesta and that happened every year.Then the gearbox went when it was just out of warranty.

At last you've found a proper car.

Does the old "if you can't afford to buy two of them, you can't afford it" not apply with the 997?

Great idea! Which year is that?

Great video. I just hopped on Auto Trader to check prices of these and this very car is for sale for £17,750.

What year is it?

sweet looking car

Great video Jack, and a compelling argument for a petrol head to run around in a lovely car. I do wonder on modern day 911 shape Porsches and their potential to appreciate, given tens of thousands have been made, would it just be the specials that would grow in value?

Interesting video .....you guys are so lucky in the UK to be able to get a 997 for less than a Fiesta here in AU you looking at roughly the cost of 3 new Fiestas for one 997 !

A 911 would be good to see on number27! back to 27's roots 🙂 , what a cracking car for the money . I must admit I probably would have a few sleepless nights if it was mine just worrying about big bills but I will buy one in the next 5 years or so but I'll buy a 964......... fingers crossed 🤞

Immediately starts browsing the classifieds for 997"s !!! ;)

Stunning locations! How do you find these places?

Ashridge looks nice!

Isn't getting Insurance an issue on a Cat # write off? plus I'm amazed there was no mention of the infamous IMS bearing on a pre 2009 Porsche

Good fortune is always needed when buying any car, I've been stung several times on new cars as well as when buying on the used car market. A bit of Lady Luck is always needed. That said, I admire the point being made here Jack, if indeed Lady Luck is with you, it shows what can be had. Nice content as always.

Whilst I admire the man maths, hatchbacks do things that these can’t....chuck the dog in the back, trips to IKEA, dump runs, car seats will be a pain in the arse too. You’ll get more than £400 off a new Fiesta too via brokers etc. Many people in the UK are allergic to older cars with higher mileage too. The day to day running costs on the 911 are fine, it’s when things break that the pain really kicks in. As much as i like Porsche they’ve had plenty of issues with their engines, as you mentioned. You didn’t factor the inspection into your buying costs either 😜 It’s also cheap because it was a Cat S which is so tegu good you’ll never get away from.

£14k!!!! Pleeeeease show me another one. 997 3.8 I would buy two👍

wheels look awesome

I owned a 997 carrera 2s and it was superb.

I'd be tempted on a 05 plate fiesta though

I had a friend who had bought a used, but in good condition, 1988 Porsche 944 back in the early nineties (1993 I think) for not a lot of money. He kept it for a couple of years, then quickly sold it when he realized that these cars are not reliable, and when they break down the parts are very expensive to replace. He said, and I quote:"I'll never buy a Porsche ever again.". Today, he drives a 2019 Kia Stinger GT2 with a 10 years warranty (5 years bumper-to-bumper). Go figure? lol!

This is how I always calculate the price of ownership when I buy a car. 10% depreciation on a brand new car is actually really conservative too, most are over 20%. If you do this same maths for something like a lotus Elise it works out ridiculously cheap because they’re so good on fuel, and again, zero depreciation.

I had a 996 and you can run one of these fairly cheaply. I bought all the consumables from Eurocarparts and this made it Fiesta running money. I had it serviced on my driveway by a local mechanic and that cost about £70.00. The other thing my Porsche went through was rear tyres every 8-9000 miles because of the engine being at the back and it being rear wheel driven. I bought used tyres which were perfectly legal and fine, and were like new before any smart arses tell me that’s the reason they didn’t last long, and cost about £50 each. The rear seats will give you claustrophobia as you get in due to them being upright and a sloping roofline. I’m pleased I owned one but the Mini JCW I have now is such a perfect all round car I’m finding it difficult to see what I’d replace it with. Love your videos too Jack.

you can get a decent one from a dealer on finance with a 24month warranty (need to get one that covers bore scoring) for 25k. Worth every penny

I was thinking of getting one of these for fun a few months ago. It wouldn't have been my daily driver. I think you have to accept the potential expense before getting one. I'm still undecided.

There's such a lot of cost been magicked away off the Porsche here on the assumption that it won't need the things which are routine on an old Porsche. Others have mentioned tyres, but also things like: radiator replacements; air con rebuild; suspension re-bushing; and that's before you get into the engine problems of the pre DFI cars.