That I just totally don't understand. Why Nvidia?

@@aragorn8414 advertising is more important than the product working.

Yea, me too. That was kind of oddly satisfying.

I think proof of that is the surprised performance from cards like this TUF model. you may also see some of the higher end models go in the opposite direction.

The board partners got testing drivers that weren't fully functional. Those testing drivers were only made to test the card in some benchmarks and burn-in tests, but they couldn't run games on them.

Bots stole'em

"got a crappy graphics card?- fix it with iFixiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit" boom

LOL

*Explosion*

@Aitch isn't that what owners are complaining about, that RTX3080 turn themselves Off & On again automatically 😁

Really? That was such an obvious back pedal I was shocked.... Now the excuse is that my wall power can cause card crashes. What a joke. If they are engineering these cards to be so delicate then they are garbage. Of course they are mad at this guy and now he's are suggesting every other part of the power delivery plays into the issue... But he's not doing it at their request... Whatever.

@Brandon S what can I say, I like his sense of humor. 😄

yooooo I watch ur tiktoks lol

Bruh, love the vids. Need more

Catpirate We have some really awesome videos coming soon! 😜👊🏻

He should have used a Zotac for the test because the ASUS TUF was performing well before the driver update.

He has damaged the reputation of AIB cards.

What stops the AIBs building a reputation of QA and testing and delaying their launch? Preorder $$$

Imagine being a manufacturer and having to ask reviewer for a driver so you can test your own cards (GN Steve was asked for drivers from an unnamed manufacturer)

Imagine even having one???!

Well I’m a computer engineering student and did some co-ops with companies. Almost every time the problem is the marketing teams cramming down deadlines on us when they aren’t possible to make them. Probably happens at every launch especially with pc hardware

Well that's why electrical engineers are way smarter than you or computer programmers

Im more concerned with that gpu hanging on the wall...

@@noam242 no worry, probably just a shitty 2080 ti

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eqhnZttqutS2eJs.html

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o9Gph8qH2aidpZ8.html

Same here actually LOL

As always, it's not a mistake, it's 4D chess...

@thegeorgezila it's spatial dimensions not the 4th dimension from einsteins theory of relativity

@@birdsplaybs1234 now it smells like burnt toast :c

@thegeorgezila Space-Time isn't the 4th dimension, but it is four dimensional.

@thegeorgezila way to sound like an idiot trying to talk about something you don't actually understand

Dad joke pride smile right there

I lol'd hard when I saw it.

put a timestamp idiot

that’s why i rewatched that twice lol

:DD

You're the hero some of us needed. (I recently started playing D2 again and have a 3700X and was very confused.) lol

@@Tyrcitys Glad, I could help!

@@flynnmccubbin383 wait what is going on with D2 and Ryzen? I'm building a 3700x pc and D2 is one of my favorite games.

@@yashgangurde1655 Nothing is wrong any longer I suspect. I have played a lot of D2 on my 3700X. This was appearently back when Ryzen 3000 first came out and was subsequently fixed with a BIOS update.

@@magosdante oh ok. Thanks.

Spoiler: It improved about 70 Mhz on that one

@@tullgutten I thought it was 20mhz increase, stable

It only helped at overclocked speeds, at stock speeds it was "good enough". I am pretty sure he would have the same instability as stock if the driver is at fault, so it did not solve the problem.

they use robotics, moron

people can say a lot of things

Not sponsored but he certainly works very closely with them. And his livelihood is very much affected by his relationship with the company. Not saying he's a shill but he has a vested interest.

The community is fickle. People will watch the fuck out of tech reviewer videos and still be insanely suspicious of their opinions.

People just bandwagoning. Don't know how to use their own brain to work through things.

Empty cans make the most noise. It's just a few empty cans.

I read your comment right before he said it lmao

It's the magical FPS sauce

Thanks man

exactly. Which is why people in the tech industry hate nvidia. They treat AIBs like field assistants that do nvidia's bidding

and the dumbest part of all is they had plenty of time before the new consoles to drop and amd to drop their card and they still could have been the FIRST guy.

That's not really the problem. NVIDIA provides a "black box" to board makers to test their cards. The black box test should stress the card more than it obviously did. The whole point of the black box is so that you don't need the driver, which is software and takes time and may be (and probably is) buggy AF until close to release. There's also no reason to think that giving the drivers to the board makers earlier would have exposed the problem. And if driver testing exposes an issue the black box doesn't, is the problem the card or the buggy-ass driver? how would you know?

@@lindasherman9921 In that last case, the problem is obviously the black box, as the driver is doing something the black box is not doing. Of course, the question of "is that thing the driver's doing correct or not" is left unanswered using this method, but that's a question to ask the people working on the driver, not the people working on the black box.

@@lindasherman9921 listen to what you are saying. Aibs only found out about this issue after they got the driver so clearly any black box to test on is not as through and realistic as you may think. Also "you don't know if the problem is the card or a buggy driver"? What? This is what engineering is, you can diagnose if a problem is with software or with hardware, what your saying is just ridiculous. Clearly if aibs were given the final production driver further in advance and had more time to test they wouldn't have this problem, it's obvious and plain. Nvidia already had pretty much everything about this card leak they might as well have given the drivers, or if it was not done yet they should have waited a few weeks more to make sure everything is working before releasing the driver only like the day before the card is supposed to launch. This is how everyone's brand image goes down, Nvidia and aibs and it is mostly Nvidia's fault

@@lindasherman9921 The black box thing makes sense. And since it's not a final product, no battery of tests will ever simulate every real-world scenario. Imperfect system it may be, it will allow the AIBs to produce a card at the same time as nvidia's launch. Jay is right, no product launch is ever perfect, and everyone involved can be at fault to some degree. Also the fact that these boards are designed to work with a variety of hardware, workloads, environments, and can't be perfect in all of them. Like Apple's IOS which works perfectly within its ecosystem, vs Windows which has to be sufficiently compatible with almost anything you can dream up to work with it

Hes really becoming tech daddy

@@ViktorDenisov has he ever done a commercial for tunnel bear? they have a cute logo :-)

That's crazy I had no clue he was ever overweight!

@@GlaciusDreams Like almost ~ 500 lbs/ 225 kg big. He talks about it in a few videos.

Yeah he was a pretty big dude. His hard work shows a few times in this video, and I think this man deserves a f*ing medal.

How about a graphite/graphene shroud?🤔

Under the bridge?

Just lit the rubble laying on the ground on fire.

_Half-heartedly inserts_ Red Hot Chili Peppers _playlist_

There's a 3rd side

Smucky ! Great song

This is fair lol

amd's least gamer moment

What am I missing. What did they do?

@@whatbuttondoipush Destiny 2 and Linux as a whole wouldn't launch on ryzen 3000 because of the rdrand bug

AMD: "Sorry, we have to update your drivers to get destiny 2 working on your computers." Bungie: "Our anticheat works perfectly! Also look at this weeks Eververse offerings!"

in-depth

In-depth no. Computer hardware cheerleader that requires some basic knowledge to follow,....*shakeshead* yeah

he is more like standing on the bridge, burning down the side he came on, and while still being on it, the side he has to walk of, grand master Jay.... :)

6:58 That too after burning both sides of the bridge xD

Qt _jayy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

sorry bro, human eyes can only see up to 8gb ram

@@lowerfive6318 says the person with 4.129gb ram

@Electroveen says the person with a 24hz monitor

Indeed, but NVIDIA need to get their shit together ...they have been in this game long enough

Lickboots

Karak, should I buy the RTX 3080, wait for a sale or never touch?

Literally just got down watching your Baldurs Gate video. Love your channel man!

Ranton's a better game reviewer

Exactly. Maybe they could just let us know which cards use the POS caps so we can decide which ones to buy...

@@techfan7808 there is a list somewhere on reddit. If you do some research you can find it. But cards with 6MLCC's also crash sometimes. So it isnt all about the capacitors

@@techfan7808 It's not that simple. It's not down to a specific caps, there are TUF cards that have crashed as well. It comes down to more trickery than the caps. this most likely is a voltage/caps combination problem. And some card makers just happen to find the sweet spot that works..

​@@techfan7808 It's not that simple. As Jayz points out it's a bit blow out of proportion. I'm one of the few that luckily got an RTX3080 on launch. I also had a bunch of crashes to desktop too. But I have the "Good" Caps on EVGA card. Also, I usually buy all the newest release cards on launch and this is just how it works. The new drivers so far has fixed it for me so far. I haven't noticed any other issues.

@@FabledGentleman there way more to this your cpu overclock can be the problem or the psu because now your new card draw 100 watt more it can cause sag in the voltage and cause crash when before it was stable

Completely agree, although I feel like its the fault of both sides. Consumers are demanding more and more at a rapid pace, and companies rush to market to beat their competitors. I don't see it getting any better.

I always felt this way about modern software/games releases - the "oh we'll just fix it in an update after release" approach really sucks imo

That's why is better to wait at least a month to get new tech so all this little issues are fixed..

It's still not quite that simple though. These are COMPLICATED devices, and regardless how much you calculate, measure, plan, and test, someone in the wild is still going to do something you didn't expect. Or component and manufacturing tolerances will bite you. And that's before you introduce the variability of having third party companies taking a reference design and adding their own special sauce and manufacturing variables to it. Add to that the software team doing their thing. These aren't 8MHz through-hole CPUs anymore, running code you can print and fit in a couple pages of a binder. The saving grace is modeling software, that is incredibly detailed but still subject to the limits of the models.

My only objection to your comment though is companies like apple and microsoft is that if it a software update, then it is fixed. If it a hardware issue, it is a total failure by nvidia and the aio's

Actually, disco fell out of favour by the eighties.

Ikr, it was horrendous. I was so mad too

im a ryzen user too what happened?

I don't even think he was talking about the FX users where support for those CPUs was dropped between beta and release. So what was he talking about?

lol

Mara Sov, she thicc or not?

Ikr wobbly rails cause great discomfort

I like my rails made out of cocaine

@Liberty Death Anyone who thinks that is a funny joke I'm going to automatically assume have an IQ of 50 or lower

@@BrandonDMorrissey or just dont have such a weak sense of humour

Hmm, if an unpaid social media intern posted it on instagram, then yeah it's gotta be true lol

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eqhnZttqutS2eJs.html

What's so funny?

@@archangel7052 Your IQ wouldn't understand if you really have to ask.

@@uilliam6926 What does this have to do with IQ? I understand it's a euphemism of some kind, I just wanted to know.

he also says theres a third side, and there's me in terrified confusion. how many sides of this bridge are we burning?

@thegeorgezila say no to aids....

What's funny is i also follow Igor Presnyokoff (spelling?) the guitar wizard

I have a real life buddy I always get drunk with named Igor

same LOLOLOL

He's talking bout your dog.

Nvidia already knows your location 😂

I think the point was to test the new driver, not the caps, to see if the new driver nerfs the boost clock. In which case you want to use a known stable card. He also explains the video that the TUF card has the highest boost tables, so it won't constrain the driver as much as a card with lower boost tables.

Exactly that what I thought, doing test on another card not same that he showed last time, feels like asus sponsor this and run away from trouble with GPU's companies.

his test was to see if the clocks were affected by the new driver, not the crashing chances he used the tuf 3080 because it seemed the least likely to have power issues and would be able to see the clocks before and after updating the driver I too would like a test of using the crashing gpus to see if it would still crash tho

Jays last video was lazy ignorant BS, MLCC & SP-Caps come in a number of different models prices and qualities, and both have pros and cons. . MLCC are not necessarily better, that part was BS. This video was an attempt to make it appear "the viewer misunderstood". EVGA reported to Gamers Nexus their all SP-Cap design is "also" corrected with the new driver, and users across all models that had issues seem to be positive about the new driver. It was NEVER a capacitor issue.

he was testing to see if clocks got reduced, not if crashes stopped

Uh can you explain for those who don't watch Linus?

@@vicpariah3444 Linus drops everything

@@vicpariah3444 me too i don`t watch linus

@@csjpokey everything pricey

He won’t because he was wrong

Hardware Unboxed verified it's the driver. Jay was wrong and won't admit it

Its resolved... that's old news. The current concern was:...does the driver update nerf performance? The answer seems to be a NO (The cause of the crashing problem) The GPU boosts up and down faster than the power delivery could keep up with...this caused voltage spikes and voltage drops... voltag spikes are fine...voktage drops , on the other hand, causes crashing (Voltage drops sometimes as low as between 400mV and 500mV occured). Reducing the gradient (the incline) of the boost table (slightly), makes it easier for power delivery to respond to abrubt (sudden) spikes in boost clocks. Problem fixed.

@@thelunchbox420x Driver either help communicate hardware with software and also reprogram hardware and software, You mention driver fix it so what did the driver actually do ? as far as I know I know in which I could be wrong was the driver turned down the card by a hair which was already recommended by Jay also. at the end of that video said to many players to know the actual cause and need more info. But sure lets start the bashing its much more fun when we leave info out.

@@HiddenRamza There is no performance difference. The AIBs didn't get a driver until reviewers did. Jay jumped to conclusions because of one article that explained what POSSIBLY could be the issue- the caps.

But the face after that joke tho

There was one video where he just gave up on holding the camera straight, because he was laughing so much at Jay's dad jokes. That was a great episode. :)

@@GeorgeMKaneLive please send a link

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eqhnZttqutS2eJs.html

Its tuf to buy it even with the moeny as all cards are out of stock

Damian Drop yeah. TUF LIFE😂

Exactly, I don't understand why people need to rush to buy at the first option. Wait like a month or two to see if it's worth the money or if there is something better. But that is why we are all different, if we were all the same, the world would be boring.

Yep, I always wait until at least the first 'revision' of a new architecture in case there are any oversights.

@dale gribble Not like amd is any better

Agree, I’m here waiting the 3080 super ahah

@@paoloxompero6612 So how much faster could a 3080 Super be ???. With the $1500.00 3090 being only 10%-15% faster than a 3080. Are they going to make a 3080 Super that is faster than the 3090 and be cheaper ??? I don't think so.

Whenever something new launches, it better to play the "wait and watch" game rather than to jump on early face the issues.

Looks like every single new-gen GPU will be on the market at the same time when inventory becomes available. Can't find anything available in Europe. Jan 2021 is the earliest date for me.

@@yogithegeek It's fine wanting to be the first. As long as you understand and accept the risks of an imperfect product before your purchase, and not be a Karen about it when it doesn't meet your standards. 😁

@@eptagz karen😂😂😂

@@rosen9425 .. which in fact means that the cards are not really launched and all the talking about features and issues now is meaningless - only marketing noise. this will all be long gone as soon as the cards shall be really available.

The magic pixies

Same bro ..... Same

literally all I want a 3080 for tbh

Same

Here here. Want to be able to turn everything up in 4K and I don’t think my 980ti going to be able to withstand that.

@@supertacoelite5062 yup Mr too

im so happy with mine i cant wait for cyberpunk its going to be so smooth on ray tracing

@@SubZyYT damn it so jelly hopefully i will have saved enough for 3080 by the time cyberpunk is out

@@SubZyYT how did you find one? Lol

@@SubZyYT I've never felt so much jealousy lol

@@krusenator123 it's available in stores in other countries

The irony is, in between and around those 6 spots everyone is so focused on, are plenty more filtering MCLLs... on all cards (some do have fewer 😅...but not a single card really has zero MCLLs under th GPU)

It's become clear that NVIDIA didn't provide partner manufacturers didn't receive drivers until the last minute, to the point that they were asking reviewers for copies of it. GamersNexus had a solid vid about this

It probably should have been tested with different cards, but I'm pretty sure the tuff card is an msrp card, so I don't think it's an exceptionally expensive card

Honestly at this level of equipment you cant afford to go with lower quality cards. If youre going to buy one of these gpus for work or for play, you need to get the best as this level. No body plasti dips a ferrari.

@@jmacd8817 crazy to think about

@@electroevolution5777 when under volting the cards is the solution, your answer doesn't really hold as it means we are getting cards that do not stand up to either factory or review specs... despite it being the same product. If real 3080 performance cost $850 then that needs to be factored into our purchasing decisions.

nonono buy THIS product . . . and test yourself out if it works

The TUF 3080 was crashing the same as others. It's not the capacitors issue (they might play a very minor role here but nothing game changing). Jay jumped the gun and got burned. Really poorly researched and rushed conclusion.

@@Trigg3rHippie but his Twitter sources were concrete!

@@Trigg3rHippie okay so what if it's something else as Jay mentioned like the power supply? If the power delivery to the card is going off a single line with a split, it could be a problem, as stated. Not all PSUs are going to be as good as EVGA and Seasonic. If someone was using a lower grade PSU, or even a PSU with not enough power abilities, it could cause issues. My question is, what brand, what rating (gold, platinum, etc.), and what wattage was in the PSUs of the systems being reported with faults, and how many rails were being used?

@@Trigg3rHippie one of the key factors could be simply this... What if the power draw is exceeding what the cards were classed at? If this is the case, and since few cards even got any kind of testing, what if these cards are drawing far beyond the specification without warning? Jay is obviously using something 850w or better in the test bench, so if it did deliver enough power, even at maximum load, what if people were using 750w or less and with the TDP of the whole system, it exceeded 750w? 750w or less is a pretty common PSU level. Few people really buy higher than 750w because so many build guides say it's not needed, including... PCPartsPicker.

@@Trigg3rHippie I mean, crashing or not, the Asus card is still build really well.

Glad I haven't cancelled my gaming oc order.

@@empyr34l good, it trades blows with a TUF easily.

I haven't overclocked my oc yet. So far I haven't had a single crash on destiny 2. And I played all week. However, my cosmos elite doesn't work with it... i keep getting white outs from tracking loss, and can't seem to optimize it. I am running dual power cables, but they are the ones that came woth the psu. So I might give that a replace first to see if that solves anything. Then I will look at another psu if necessary.

Sucks that my MSI Gaming X Trio is constantly hitting power limit and it's locked at 100%

What do you guys think about the EVGA XC3 Black? It was the only one I managed to nab a backorder on before they all evaporated but I've been a bit iffy on it

Der8auer*

It was Der Bauer....and it was a 3080...and "fixing the capacitors" resulted in overclocking only improving by 20Mhz.

It was debaur with a 3080 but yeah it was 30mhz so stuff all, he got 1 extra fps in quake from 12 to 13, but thats an 8% change, which is... debatable of it's significance

​@@tylerdurden3722 I just looked it up to be sure and it was an RTX 3090. "We Tested the Cap-Drama - RTX 3090 MLCC vs POSCAP" I posted a link to the video in my original post above

@@Carrotsalesman I just looked it up to be sure and it was an RTX 3080. "We Tested the Cap-Drama - RTX 3090 MLCC vs POSCAP" I posted a link to the video in my original post above

TUF has had some reported crashes, pretty sure all cards have.

My card crashed and now it doesn't, zero performance loss, it's the MSI Ventus OC

@@Anipixelz thanks for the feedback, for us that are looking to get one still it's precious information.

@@eduardo1903 Use distill io chrome plugin trust me without it your chances of getting one in a reasonable time is low, another epic gaming tip.

Fire explosion boom

mmmm refreshing

Exactly. Sad how 1 big KZfaqr can greatly miss spread information and then try to side step his original video by telling the viewers they misunderstood him

Ooh...interesting 🤔

Fast fingers, shame none are fast enough to buy!

Wait you was behind me in the queue, did you skip the line? 🤔

same.. maybe I'll afford a 3070 for the price of 3080 in my country

Buildzoid's pet peeve xD

P.O.S. Caps is more like it.

.. whatever caps they are - this is definitely NOT the problem @ all!

@@skycam9085 in some cases, it could be, but yeah, most probably just a too agressive boosting algorithm

Crazy world isn't it