I'm not givin you my BACON!!!

Mmmm, bacon...

shhh dont let the muslims hear you

Nimble Bolt Say bacon one more time...

Matthew Rath I heard it hahaha

Cute asian linus lol

linus with tits!

asian + linus = Thank you anus!

I was about to say "female Linus" but ok.

Loooool

Lmao ikr

Alexander Smith solid state drive drives? Drives at the end of your sentence is redundant.

the comment section here is a clear representation of the real 40 year old virgins.

love how you actually expected it to LMFAO

Still scrolling to see a comment not about the tuber

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Maybe if you're moving around files a lot.

true that

nah, nvme everytime. even for hotels. sata ssd's and achi are both outdated.

i use stone slabs and runes

I use oral history passed down by the elders

tape drives, new fangled FAD. Punchcards is where it's at i tell ya!

god is my storage, god lets me know what im looking for...idk

floppys are better

What do you expect? Vast majority of viewership is male.

90% about her 5% about storage 5% about the comment section

I watch these videos for Julia so this makes sense

She's not even that beautiful

90% of people are idiots (to comment on looks, during a tech review)

Pretty sure it would be the game engine bottleneck :P

crysis at 4k makes a different

That too perhaps, skyrim I know considering I kind of tested it. Weirdly enough Lineage II has some diferences as well xD specially giran, aden ans starting town.

no skyrim is bad example due to fact engine is main blocker. It's terrible at utilizing system resources. Reason your getting a boost is due to fact that has a tiny ram usage. Basically your providing very fast swap since its not using large amount of single precision floating point memory. So that test is redundant since we know its fast at swap.

Its not as much game engine breaking than your CPU and GPU don't have enough processing and memory power to render all that pixels and details.

yutaka seed so it doesn't affect gaming in any way?

You should buy it, its a beast. 289 for the 512GB version I'm running

yutaka seed damn dude i was thinking the same thing.

I bought the 970 evo it's fast as fuck, way better thsn shit slow ssd

noi iorr that's such a dumb statement.

you mean: "these kinds these days and their parents money...."

I used to make my bed in time for my PC to load when I had HDD. With SSD, I can barely seat myself in comfy position after I press the start button D:

oooppiikkk thats what i tell my friends XD

You guys stop bitching and enjoy your core duo/AMD APU and onboard graphics I can tell you probably have a gtx 480 to be that salty

This is part of the computer parts reviewing community like Linus, Pauls' Hardware, Jay2cents, etc..and marketing fault. Look at the dumbasses that buy new CPU and GPU that come out every year and reviewer sells them like you must have it. Especially true for those morons that pursue must have 60+ fps gaming. There will be a new game coming out dropping your gpu frames, trying to catch up with it is just dumping money on a gpu every year.

Yep, 3 years later, still no links

They're loading. Give it some time.

gotta love julia

Wingman1977 I concur!

Wingman1977 dittoed, one of the reason I love NCIX

fans with benefits

Wingman1977 go outside

Pfff hahahaha :D

Seagate Barracuda or WD Blue

i used to be like you....but get an $80 samsung ssd,

Well you can go "swivel" then mite ;P

hmmm, no. HDDs will be faded out the more storage SSDs gain, but we might all be dead by then, so who knows.

If you're spending $240 on a 480-512GB SATA SSD these days, you're doing something very wrong.

You can get the 850 evo $170.00 .. its about 8% slower and only has A 3year (vs 5 year warrnty) .. I have used MANY SSD alot of Brands ... Bought some of the first retail consumer level ones from OCZ back in the day. Have owned OCZ, mushkin, crucial,plextor , intel, Samsung, Kingston , even have 2x HP SAS SSDs right now. My first SSDs were 2x OCZ soild 60gb Read 155 / Write 90 $140.00 Ea (LOLOLO) What I can say for sure. Never buy Mushkin SSDs I have owned 3x ( 1x 120gb and 2x 240gb ) ... all 3x were replaced by them with new ones that I ebay after replacement. Kingston, crucial and plextor were all what I thought were good values (sales on newegg ect) however they just did not get what they ever claimed. Even the Plextor M6e PCIe sucked Intel 730 was epic in 2014 and was going to get 750 NVMe .. but then samsung 950pro came out... OCZ the O G for consumer level SSD ... well Back in the day that OCZ soild was Crushing WD ratptor 10k drives ( had A few of them too ) and later had A OCZ revo drive ( the first one) .. it was fun and was A huge deal at the time. But I would not buy from them now... they were sold and thing they are being shut down ... might be wrong. Only ever RMAed A PSU to them... but SSDs die and you need A warranty Samsung , Own 2x 850 evos and A 950pro m.2 nvme. The evos I did not need, but was epic sale on newegg. And I love them, they are way faster then some of the others high teir. 950 is my main drive for now... However planing on Switch to 2x 960 evos soon-ish ... .. depending if I go zen. As of today, the only SSD brand to buy is Samsung.

I've bought (or more correctly advised people to buy, that I then installed) 2 different 850 Evo's in the last month, one was a 250GB the other a 500GB, both had 5 Year Warranty stickers on the packaging, I'm wondering if they increased the warranty on them since they brought in the 750 Evo's as the new budget option. i'm running an256GB 850 Pro for boot and a 500GB 750 Evo for storage (that I bought a month or 2 ago for $140) in my Laptop and a 840 Pro in my dads laptop and a 950 Pro NVME in my desktop, only HDD I'm still rocking is my 4TB mass storage Western Digital external drive connected to my router to function as NAS storage.

Oh shit .. just ... looked it up .. and they changed it ... 850 evo is now 5 year .. 850 Pro is now 10 YEARs... WOW 10 YEARS !

neko77025 10 years HOLY FUCKING SHIT, did not know about that.

This desu

Why the fuck is it compressed? And with some games being over 150GB now anyway... It's disgusting.

@@Darches Those brand new shiny 1080p/4K/8K textures and game assets must ocuppy some space bro /s

Modern warfare: what is a compression?

Filip Bronola THANK YOU!! I was just flicking through the comments to see if anyone else noticed. it was really bugging me!

Most games are actually bottlenecked by CPUs, at least in the High-end-spectrum. Most games can't utilise more than 4 cores, so increasing the clock speed/efficiency of every single core is the only way to improve CPU performance in games, while GPUs are not limited by a fixed core count. And if you compare the performance increases in CPUs and GPUs, you will notice that the CPU market didn't have as many huge leaps as the GPU market had. RAM isn't a factor whatsoever, as long as you have enough RAM for the game you are playing you won't see any obvious performance difference when swapping to more/better RAM.

I think NCIX needs to do a video on this. i also found one from gameranx, and there is clearly a lot more to it than just getting data into the ram. watch?v=lHrK1kw7ZMw

Shitty programming and lack of optimisation is the real bottleneck.

I imagine a lot of games are storing their assets in a compressed format, to get a better average load-time. (Especially considering people will still play on regular and laptop HDDs). The CPU time required to decompress the assets for storage isn't insignificant, and along with compiling shaders on game load, etc on map loads.. If everyone was using an SSD and lots of RAM, I'm sure they could instead load it all into memory and process it after loading. It wouldn't be any faster. (Perhaps a little slower even)

My guess would be single-threaded loading

CrowTech09 see the positive side 5,4k is more silent

+Luciano de Benedictis But it isn't,.,

There are no moving parts in an ssd so that is dead silent compared to the spinning od platters in an hdd

#5400MasterRace

8mb cache hype train

Pretty much why I went for a Crucial MX300 275 GB M.2-SATA instead of something like an Intel 600p 256 GB M.2-NVMe. The actual amount you can use is always a bit lower as well.

@@Root174 Bet the more popular AAA games like GTAV and RDR2 would clog up that nvme quite easily. Is 275 really worth it, with light on a more demanding horizon?

Very beautiful truly

Sidik Prabowo Beauty, brains, and personality. She's a dream girl.

Me too

not to mention her voice is also hot af

Alfino Usdinoari Absolutely, Alfino. She has just a hint of lisp, and that is sooo sexy!

TrueDesireHD I was scrolling through the comments looking for this one and in case it wasn't here yet I'd post it! Glad to see I'm not the only one who caught that.

TrueDesireHD rip

This.

So glad im not the only one who noriced

she said less than one so put any number that's less than one in front of the >. so effectively it's 0.5>1 which is wrong. google less than sign and greater than sign to see for yourself.

Andrew Quitugua is there a significant difference in their estimated life?

Or you save a whole PCI-e port... I guess it depends on the person but I think the majority would preferer to save that PCI-e port

shitposting is my city most people only use one gpu, with any current cpu having at least 28 lanes possible, making most people unlikely to notice the 4 lanes used by a nvme ssd missing.

cazablocki oh yeah, I mean it depends on the person, if you've built your PC yourself you'll probably have more than one pci-e port but most prebuilt pcs only have one pci-e connector so depending on what they want to do with their computer they'll get one of these ssds

Andrew Quitugua I guess it comes down to if you have any m.2 slots or not.

GTA has been tested on satas and nvmes, same load time.

Yup, nailed it. To be even more specific, random write and random read is still shit. Thats what 90% of everything is doing in our computing world. That last 10% is sequential read and write which would be used much more often in video/photo production, big bulky data center, some SETI@HOME kind of workload. In the end, for average joe, even average pro joe its not worth extra money unless you get epic bargain like sata3 ssd is just 10-30 bucks cheaper than nvme. Even then i would seriously consider do i realy need it or could i spend those same 30 bucks for faster memory, better cpu, better cpu cooling or even better mobo/gfx.... Even more to be specific, random read and random write for consumer applications like gaming etc, used only up yp 4 queues for ssd, ssd marketing uses hyper numbers and mostly show 32 queues for random read and write. Those numbers are usually 100k iops... Q1-4 are more of 10k iops range... Q32 is used up on server applications usually.... It comes down to 2 questions lol. Do you need it? Unless professional workloads, NO. Do you want it? Ofc, better braging rights yo.

Dey Banana lol

Dey Banana I want her to squeeze my head between her thighs and when I look up it turns out to be Jack

Dey Banana - all the way to the bathroom, right? 😂

What's wrong with racism?

Baited

And virtually nothing out there utilizes NVMe PCIe speeds. Just like virtually nothing using 8 cores of a CPU and all 16 threads... It's a total overkill sales gimmick. Yes, it performs when applied properly, but in practical settings (except for the most demanding professionals in video or graphic rendering professions) it is a total waste. It's like buying a Ferrari. You'll never experience it's potential except for a momentary half-a-second on the on ramp. Boom you're at 90 and you're slowing down for the truck in front of you...

I think you need to update your knowledge. 8 cores are being used in gaming. Especially if you are streaming while gaming. While nvme rw speeds won't really be noticeable in gaming, it is useful if you are doing professional work like editing rendering, databases, servers etc (this is where more cpu cores come.into play too.

epiq pwnage this desu A 1080ti/2070/vega 56/64 and 8700k/7700k or ryzen 2600 with an SSD as the game drive is the maximum anyone should buy in the current market for 'great' gaming performance. If you want to spend 150% more on your system build for 5% more performance then go ahead, but the previously mentioned system will already max out most games at 4k60 or high refresh rate 1440p. If you don't have other workloads then you're just burning money for performance increases that you *literally* wouldn't notice in a double blind comparison.

I have a feeling nvme will reach a level where it will make memory sticks obsolete.

@@thesisko4031 We're pretty much there tbh. Just a big plunge.

No, memory speed just isn't the bottleneck anymore.

Yeah, exactly. I feel same way. I've got few NVMe's in my system, and everything is super fast. I had SSDs before, and I could definitely tell a difference when going to NVMe. My bootup of system is 2 or 3 seconds, maybe. Updates to Windows and reboots are about 2 or 3 minutes (if that). So, it is fast and worth the investment. Agreed.

Your philosophy is equivalent to buying a nicer, yet smaller, car with an expensive pricetag because it starts up real fast. Yet it operates the EXACT same as a cheaper, more spacious, car 😑 My SATA 3 1 TB Samsung EVO 950 SSD runs a WoW server and loads the whole world up in 4 seconds and ready to login. Then I also play OFF of the machine that is hosting the game server with no loss in communication internally and the game doesn't stutter or hang up whatsoever. Flawless rendering etc. But loading up your Ultima world is done once per play. So the 5.5 secs vs 1 second is a waste of an investment. I'm going to bet you bought a 256GB or 512GB. To me, that isn't worth plugging in. Too small. I went with capacity and performance and to this day, I stick by my choice as the most applicable to gamers.

To add, you guys need to be a little more logical. Your CPU and ram count for bootup as well. Plus fast bootup enabled in the bios and many more factors. My Intel 4c/8t @ 4.4GHz and 16GB ram 3200MHz bus speed CL9 with a SATA3 SSD boots up in 8 seconds flat from being off. Say I boot my system up 30 times a month. If I save 2 seconds with an NVMe eqch time that's 1 minute of my time I spare a month 😒 Yuuuuuup!! That's logic. I'm gonna spend twice as much money to save 1 whole minute a month of my life...

What are the transfer speeds of your SSD? Almost all NVME drives are going to be blisteringly fast because putting slow storage on the NVME platform is just stupid. Plenty of SATA SSDs are slow because SATA is cheap and prevalent, a d sometimes all people want is a dirt cheap SSD. if you arent comparing a top of the line SATA SSD to an NVME SSD then it's not a true comparison at all. By definition all NVME drives will have top tier transfer rates, but your SSD could be a total shitbox. I could pick the slowest SSD i could find and pair it off against a high speed HDD and come to the conclusion that hard drives are faster than solid state, following your logic.

Lexius72 fallout 4's load times are tied to the framerate for some insane reason so if you are using vsync on a 60hz monitor the load times are unbearable. If you aren't using vsync then the game will load within seconds. There's a mod that turns vsync off during load screens.

Lexius72 fallout 4's load times are tied to the framerate for some insane reason so if you are using vsync on a 60hz monitor the load times are unbearable. If you aren't using vsync then the game will load within seconds. There's a mod that turns vsync off during load screens.

devilmikey00 You have to be fucking joking. Thats the single most retarded thing I have heard in a day.

I was wondering as well. I remember an old title called Rage used real time streaming of texture. But the game itself is not that demanding anymore so it's really not a point to use NVMe over SSD either.

Having a pagefile/swap partition on solid state (especially NVME) is also a superb way to *destroy* its sectors in record time. NVME doesn't experience degredation from read cycles at all, but the write endurance of some NVME drives is abysmal. Some of the higher end samsung evo drives (the higher capacity models especially) have very good lifespans, but small, cheap NVME drives could easily die within a few years under that use case. Windows also puts a lot of write cycles on whatever storage it's installed on, but linux is much better about that. I had an 860 evo die after less than 2 years because I had windows 10 on it and the pagefile for windows was on the drive as well. I know that's an anecdote but it's a common story with a lot of people. Drives like the 9xx pro series will be a lot better with petabytes of write cycle capacity, but man those early NVME drives would die fast.

Even that test wouldn't have much of a difference between SATA and NVMe. The reason is because the game software isn't written in a way that utilizes SSDs at max speed. This whole SATA vs NVMe debate reminds of the multithread CPU debate of about 10 years ago. Most software, even today, does not utilize all threads of a CPU, or even all cores. People paying $700 for a quad core, 8 thread CPU when you can monitor the CPU usage during gaming and see barely two cores with 1 thread each being used, and only for short bursts. People need to understand the most factor for any system to run well is CPU clock speed and RAM. Virtually nothing is benefitted by NVMe except heavy video/image processing software and rendering software for game developers.

They've done that test. It's a negligible difference.

would be curious to see results with decreasing RAM ( ie 8, 6, 4, 2 )

Nah don't bother with your test, it's the same. Most games will never reach the bottleneck of a sata ssd, regardless of starting from desktop to main menus or within the game's loading processes itself. So if I'm half as arrogant as you, then I would also choose to facepalm over your uneducated comment as well. Life's a mirror, my friend. Lol.

Kingdom Come:Deliverance gets massive gains, even from the menu, when switching to an SSD.

SSD for games. If you got fast internet a hdd can bottleneck download speeds.

You're missing latency on those drives. The MB/s is bandwidth.

contaire03 hdd last much longer,

But definitely upgrade just do not fill an ssd it will burn out.

The main performance improvement of SSDs are insane IOPS and negligible latency compared to HDDs. That's where the actual improvement over classic spinning drives is coming from, not MB/s. I think you'd do better buying another 500GB SSD and RAID 0 them, or you re-selling your current drive and buying 1 TB one. Either way it's gonna cost you significantly less than a 1 TB NVME drive.

NVME also destroys everything but a ramdisk for reading lots of small files or data points e.g. video editing or crunching large datasets. However NVME isn't that great at reading large single files, and in certain cases sequential read/write operations will actually be faster on a good hard drive than on a cheap nvme. Hard drives suck liquid feces out of a hippo's ass when it comes to random read/write though.

That didn't exist back then lol

Bae is Dutch for "shit"

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Naim Verboom Ah ok. Thanks.

uhm, it's not.

In danish, you would imply that she is poop (bae = bæ = poop,)... XD