Owning a car in New York City is nuts.

This is a great Idea. Hope they paint the spot for EV Charging ONLY. This is a good way for NYC ticketing agent to make $$$ from those folks that like ICEing EV spots.

I live in NYC and I have to drive to Dobbs Ferry, outside of NYC to get a 250kw supercharger. Charging in Manhattan is a nightmare considering street-side charging are always getting ICE'd and that coupled with the abysmal state of finding street-side parking, it just makes sense to drive out to charge and not within manhattan

I really love the ubitricity chargers we’ve got in Berlin, Germany. They use lanterns to provide 4kW AC at sometimes up to 10 lanterns in a row. Perfectly for charging through the day or at night! These should be anywhere.

Kyle, you’ve got to get to Montreal if you haven’t already been. The EV infrastructure there is outstanding.

In Montreal Circuit Electrique and flo have installed more than 4700 chargers in a city a third of the size of NYC. These flo units are everywhere and its great.

That charging plug sticking out of the M3 into the street is going to get clipped and wreck the charge port in no time.

This is why from day 1 i said the charge port needs to be on the right side. What happens when that cord gets hit by another car and they take off? How much will that cost to fix and you cant charge in the meantime. Tesla needs to either offer owners to install it on the right or offer two ports.

Those FLO aka Add Énergie L2 street level units are EVERYWHERE in Montreal QC. To be expected considering they are a Canadian Company

NYC is not a pain to get around, it’s the only city in US with legitimate public transpo option

Captain Obvious once said: "Without charging, EV's are useless" He also said that commercial charging companies charge so much per kWh that deletes most of the cost benefit of an EV. My EV is charged at home at very low rates so it makes sense. Super easy and super low cost. If I relied on commercial charging, I would never have an EV.

Flo user here. We love them, just need more in the city! Montreal uses the same units, branded differently.

I have an id.4 and have used the Flo chargers often. However, NYC needs to enforce the designated parking zone for EV vehicles. There are times I pulled up and the parking spot has a gas vehicle parked.

Flo chargers have been very reliable where I am in Toronto compared to other chargers (aside from Tesla's superchargers)

"in LA, one of them [chargers] took a bullet, and it was okay." I would've never guess bullet resistance would be a critical design feature.

I recommend always carrying a 50-100 foot long extension cord rated to handle level 2. Like the cord on your home EVSE. This will give more parking possibilities than just the one spot by the charger.

Level 2 charging is a must in city's, hotels, and parking garages. Parked in the Millennium Park garage in Chicago and they had L2 charging, it was awesome to charge the ID4 while we walked around town for 4hrs. Came back and we were at 80%. Recent trip to Indy, stayed at the JW Marriot. No charging in the garage at JW or the parking garage across the street. I had to drive to the EA charger on Emerson Ave 8 miles away. If I had L1 or L2 charging in the parking garage, I would never had to go the EA charger in order to make it back home.

The only way I could see this working is if every street post had a charger on it. And even then trying to find a parking spot in general without a charger is difficult. I can only imagine finding a vacant spot with a charger. I guess you have to start somewhere…

We have these near Philly in Narberth, PA. I only charge my Tesla at FLO chargers installed at the local library. Great experience using them they always work.

I love these! I shop at the ethnic stores in Astoria Queens and the spots are usually open (for now) so it’s easy finding parking. It’s actually cheaper to charge than to park.

Lol. Thank you for pointing out New York's hypocrisy. As a New York City resident, I have seen zero chargers in the neighborhoods. New York is probably gonna be the last state/ city to electrify in America. I have seen more chargers in the South than in the North. By the way, people can't even find a street parking spot, now they are gonna force to fight for chargers? God bless them.

Great info. Thanks Kyle

Great Program. Glad to see it. I hope it expands exponentially! Thanks for highlighting this important part of the transition.

Currently charging on a Flo Charger while I am on a business trip in Quebec. I have never run into issues with Flo chargers. They partner with Circuit Electrique in QC.

Streetside charging is exactly the reason why a charging port on the left side makes no sense in a country driving on the right-hand side.

They are pretty much everywhere in Montreal, Canada, and I personally love them. They are convenient, and inexpensive to operate.

Kyle, this is an important video and not your typical road trip-style content. But this topic also has real-world challanges; thanks for covering it.

We have a lot of Flo chargers in our area (Kingston, On) and I find them to be very reliable. Both Level 2 EVSEs and DC Fast Chargers have worked every time I need them.

I'm surprised they aren't charging $30.00 per KW, after all.... it is NYC.

Wow $1/h (~$0.15/kwh) is literally cheaper than I pay here in Texas where my apartment gouges me at ($0.26/kwh) where the residential energy costs like $0.10/kwh.

There are 162,000 street corners in NYC, will need more than 100… Less than half of New Yorkers even have cars, and those that do, less than half have a garage. This would need to be at every corner for it to work, so you can charge overnight on the street with enough for your neighbors as well.

Just finding a spot in the city is hard enough. Finding one with a charger that is open will be very hard to do unless they are marked EV parking only.

In europe they require you to bring your own cable. That makes a lot of sense to me.

we have a lot of these in Western Canada. They are pretty handy and reliable whenever I visit our nearby recreation centre.

We have a few hundred of these in the LA area right now and they're great a few by USC don't work or they've been vandalized but the Chargers themselves I like them I like the latch a lot better than chargepoint I get less errors however the biggest issue is non-electric Vehicles parking there and taking up the space that's the biggest hassle

City/NYC charging is a huge issue! Glad to see you looking at it.

Nice to see the VW with the charging port on the right side. Living in Montreal, I'm sorta used to seeing these chargers everywhere.

Fun fact: up until a century ago there were more electric cars in New York running as taxis than there were any other fuelled car. This was because they valued how quiet and smooth they were compared to the equivalent inline 4 cylinder petrol engine. The major reason they went away was partly due to the issue that was mentioned early on in the video by Kyle, that due to the lack of garages, there weren’t many places to charge them off the street, but also to do with lack of stable battery chemistry allowing for long-distance travels without the necessity of charging.

Great work and huge to have these installed. I’m surprised cables on the ground wouldn’t be considered a tripping hazard on a sidewalk but good to know.

These are early days still. No technology or infrastructure has ever been born fully formed, totally dispersed, nor perfect. I see nothing but good here, as Flo, ConEd, and NYC start an exciting journey down this path of providing useable, reliable and available charging infrastructure in that amazing city! Terrific video, Kyle!

While this is AWESOME, I see one big issue with it. Finding a NYC parking spot is like finding the Yeti. Finding one that also happens to have a Flo charger? I'm sure your odds of winning the lotto are better! How do you stop ICE vehicles from seeing the spot and taking it? I see that the cables are pretty long, so you don't have to find a spot right in front of it, but I think at least two spots on every block that has one of these chargers should be reserved for EVs/PHEVs and the owner will be towed.

There aren’t gas stations on every corner in Manhattan so many people go out to NJ or elsewhere to fill up. We drove our Tesla into NYC in October and the parking lot had a level 2 charger just in case and Kyle had a video about the revel Tesla cab service and where they charge and other charging options, but this is a game changer!

Very cool!

They should use removable cables like in Europe to prevent cable theft and damage

The lock mechanism is interesting and definitely needed in some cities. That said the cables add to clutter. The CCS Type 2 solution where you have BYO cables and the cables lock inside from both ends. I wonder as US cars move to NACS it might be possible for a BYO NACS to NACS cable given it has similar internal locking.

Super cool !

When I was in Paris over the summer, I saw quite a few streetside charging meters. I don’t know who put them in, but I was surprised at how many I saw..

I'm honestly surprised a bazillion cars didn't stop by. I was in Manhattan a few years ago, and could not get away fast enough.

We need more public level 2 charging almost more than DC fast charging. The price difference between DC charging and level 2 charging is significant.

For reference, in Flanders Belgium, 6 million people, there are more then 8000 public level 2 street chargers

Whenever people ask me how I charged my EV for 3 years w/o a garage or driveway access, I first ask them how they fill up gasoline at their house?:) L2/3 Public charging at stations has not been a major issue here in CA. Home charging is never free, but public (sometimes) can be. Too slow imo anyway.

Don't know about being so 'epic', but certainly good to see some action here.

I'd like to see these all be converted to NACS.

Nice installation! You can see how the ID.4 is designed for charging at a street side and the Tesla isn’t. It can be frustrating to charge my Model 3 in urban areas.

To drive any vehicle,i don't to have to know everything about batteries or charging,i like to focus my mental power on more important things.

For such progessive city NYC is really behind on charging. The air quality in NYC would really benefit

This is nice to see. Hopefully there will be more like this in the future. Once it becomes more common, maybe we will see less gas cars and non-charging EVs blocking charging spots.

It's why America is so many years away from common EV ownership. Even people in homes it could be so old they don't want the expense of a service panel upgrade.

Flo has a few of those level 2 installation where the cables are hidden locked around Los Angeles. There are none here in Chicago and desperately need em here, especially since there are a number of overwhelming Bolt rideshare drivers clogging DC fast chargers here

WoW~! So compacted, nice. The charging stations in Paris are twice the size. Hope NYC can turn out more stations soon. But then, besides the ICEs taking up spaces, how about other EVs fully charged and taking up the parking?

Redesign needed as to why cables are exposed from the box to the top of the post is a serious flaw, should have been routed internally through the post, with minimal exposure of the charging cable from the top of the post.

Flo please come to Europe. Great design!

some NYC streets are narrow enough where you may have a driver bump/run over the charger, hence not the biggest fan of the handle, one suggestion is to narrow it and possibly make it a 90 turn.

If you look at lecircuitelectrique here in Montreal, we have over 2000 of them Here, I rarely have a problem using one They are all over the city. We have a lot of DC one from flo to 50 kw to 180kw all over and they're doing a test in Laval hundred percent solar system that does 50kw for free

Thanks, Kyle. I couldn’t see the top of the standard, but I would imagine a nice street light with a camera would be nice. I also would’ve asked how icing enforcement is conducted by NYC’s meter maids. A slightly unrelated issue that I am obsessed with, is that a power content label should be on every charging dispenser. In other words, does Flow or even ConEd have Renewable Energy resources that they can admit to the grid for customers who are conscious of where their juice comes from. This is something that I have been advocating for with, not only Tesla, but all juice providers.

This is awesome. I wish they would do Boston next.

Hey the flo technician guy sounds like a Trini (or of Caribbean heritage) yayyyyy 😊✌️👍🇹🇹

Would have been neat to see inside the main box, as well as the J1772 tester.

Great video… HEY FLO… my 2 chargers that were installed in Whitby Ontario in Canada are still not up and running… 🙏🏼

Great start...now build about 5 million more of those

Come to Montreal and you'll see THOUSANDS of these street side.

Love my FLO home charger, go Canada!

Basically this service visit cost them almost more than the entirety of what they profit per day. There is no way without the excess spend of the government, this is a good business.

I live in Brooklyn 20 min from Barclays charging have to pay 4 bucks to get In and 16 min from coney no fee parking so I’m good. But I usually just charge at work lol

New York is proving the market place for the Nio cars.

Should have a look at Ubitricity, In the UK, London has thousands of them all over.

we will see how many months this idea lasts in NYC. Drivers will be scared to use it because it makes their ev a target for vandals.

I like the idea of curbside level 2 charging. But, right now, it looks like it's essentially just a pilot project to test out equipment and work out kinks. In order to really scale, New York will essentially need chargers like this at almost every parking space on every block, citywide. As the charging scales up, the topic of parking management is only going to get more difficult. In particular, if more and more of the street is restricted to EV charging only, that leaves ICE vehicles with nowhere to park. My personal opinion is that the sweet spot is a world where ICE vehicles *are* allowed to park next to chargers, but only by paying the same hourly parking rate that an EV driver would be paying to charge up their car. If the chargers fill up literally every parking space across the entire block and the parking rate is set to match the market price for parking on that block at various times of day, any EV driver in need of electricity and willing to pay the parking fee will be able to get it, while any vehicle (EV or ICE) in need of a parking space, willing to pay the parking fee, would also be able to get it. Such a rate would likely be high enough that those parking solely for the electricity (e.g. drivers who have a reserved garage space nearby that does not have charging) would find it not worth it, and be able to charge their car for less by visiting a DC charger elsewhere. I think that's fine as the NYC real estate the car sits on is worth way more than level 2-speed electricity, and there is no way to make such a person happy without under-pricing the parking to the point where there's never anything available. But, for people that rely on street parking, at least finding a charger would be no more difficult than the (admittedly not easy) task of finding street parking such drivers already have to deal with.

Flo is the most predatory charging network out there. They require a 15 dollar payment for an RFID card here in Canada. No, not for a replacement, but for your first card🤯. Honestly, I haven't gotten over that initial experience. Very gross business practice. I have 6 other RFID card in my car, and they were all free.

They need idle fees. Ppl are using them as their own personal parking spot. I literally see the same cars all the time all day, all night, sitting on a charger

Apparenty theres no CCS in West Va, that migt win in worst charging.

Flo not having an electric vehicle for their service vehicle is a big miss. Also you missed the obvious question are they changing to NACS, if so when!

FLO Stations are the best! I need them in Chicago

I like the cable management nobody likes dirty cables.

NYC is the ideal place to design urban street side charging. Like they say "if you can make it there you can make it anywhere".

Sounds like the European approach of "bring your own cable" is just better for urban chargers... Way less cables around and more protection on chargers

Here's a thought where else they could be installed, how about knocking down those sheds that were put up by restaurants during the COVID epidemic.

Do south Texas (along the coast)

The problem I have with per-hour charging is that old vehicles with limited charging rates (15A in my case) get far less electricity but end up paying the same amount.

Great video review Kyle! If you want to learn more about what it takes to design a smart-city product like this one, and get it approved for use in the streets of NYC, let me know!

I don't think these stalls fully solve the problem. Let's say you need to charge 40%, which might take 5 hours. If you plug it in at night it'll finish in the middle of the night. Do you have to go move your car at midnight? How do you then find a parking spot? If you work you can't move it during the day either. This sounds like a huge headache.

Come to Las Vegas. Worse than NYC you’re lucky to find ONE 48kw working charger within 30 miles. 250kw? R u kidding me lol. ChargePoint has 7kw chargers here lol

Wow! 4 to 8 hours occupying that parking space. Level 2 sucks.

Flo chargers are slowing showing up here in Washington (the state).

I like the idea, charger design looks awesome but what I don't like is the cords laying close to the ground. In my eyes, late at night, it will be a tripping hazard. Hopefully no one trips on it and the city doesn't get a suit.

Ron == MVP!

id like to have a model 3 and use autopilot and regularly go out night driving far distances for hours, properly get comfy in the chair, drink, snacks, etc

I checked the Plugshare scores of these sites. Not surprisingly, it's almost all ICE'ing issues that bring down the scores. It's great to have mobile crews that inspect the chargers on a schedule, that's what it takes to keep them up. It's also cool that they aren't all surrounded by a forest of bollards. Flo has chosen instead to make them impact tolerant. Now, NYC just needs to 10x the number of these chargers, and combine that with the kind of streetlight charging that's done by companies like Ubitricity in London.

Wow a charging company that cares about uptime and services bad units immediately? That's crazy 😂

If they put in 80 amp chargers then people could get a week's worth of power quickly and cycle out to a different parking spot to let someone else recharge... more cars filled per day per spot