hahah, no no no. I'm the only one on the 24 train at work right now.

ahh so 1/18 it is... kill the trx-m's @@HarleyDesignsInc

How is this good value. Its in the same range as there are other RTR kits, which give you more bang for your buck. If it came with the carbon rails then yes. Flat metal rails are no different then c channel rails on standerd crawlers. This should be in the 299 329 range. Based on the electronics you get with it. They could of easily have a fusion se in there to justify the 499 price tag. I rather get the Redcat Ascent for 299 get better tires and a Fusion Pro and still beat the 499 price tag.

@@PeterCPRail8748 I've come to appreciate the value that Vanquish Products offers with the quality of their products, for one. Tires, Foams, and Body separate are aprx. $150. Add that to a VS4-10 builders bundle for a baseline and you are in the ballpark before even adding electronics. You're pretty vague on comparison so I can't be specific, and we can agree to differ that -cg flat aluminum rails are the same as stamped steel C-rails. If I sound like a fanboy it's only because Vanquish is the only brand that hasn't let me down. One caveat is I have never purchased a VP RTR only kits, so I cannot personally offer an opinion, other than RTR's are traditionally entry level by industry standard.

@@GrimJerr in my opinion Vanquish and Traxxes Crawlers are vastly overpriced for what you get compared to Axial, Element Rc, and entry RedCat. RTRs should be priced as entry base to the hobby. So a person can start to upgrade on there own.

@@PeterCPRail8748 I've done my share of brand bashing over the years so I'm just going to end with the old diplomatic reply, everyone has an opinion and that's what makes it nice that there's so many choices

@@GrimJerr by all means not bashing the brand. Just don't see the value in this particular offering.

Not if your a noob or someone that doesn’t want to build!🤷🏼‍♂️

This probably shouldn't be an option if your a noob.@@INSIDIOUS-ONE

This is a great noob rig, its point and shoot. Helps make a beginner build some confidence and learn to crawl.

Raising a retail price that much is a huge leap and not that big of a notable increase to most consumers. And just because that’s the retail difference doesn’t mean that’s all it would be in a RTR like this.

I would assume it would be even less cost buying in bulk so maybe the price increase wouldn't be as high. I love the idea and know rtr will be easier for people to jump in but maybe it's just my love of building kits but I feel like I along with most people would remove the stock esc,motor, servo and radio first thing so only added value over kit is body and tires and that comes at some discounted parts like links and sintered gears if I understand correct. I get the economics and know rtr is ruling the market over kits right now,I just think adding some better electronics would have gave some added value and better quality to go along with the high quality of vanquish parts. no hate here whatseover just thoughts on something that would set it another bar above the rest. Keep up the good work! Looking forward to a vanquish vs-24 with your knew love of 1/24 scale LOL. Love watching you and Matt on youtube!@@HarleyDesignsInc

Maybe next time. But I really liked the green this time!

A slider at least

The kit version came out first.

@@HarleyDesignsInc I know, the VRD Carbon, I was more saying something along the lines of a VS4-10 update or new kit to replace it. Hint hint. Lol

To many rtr bring cool stuff for us build from

Just barely missed it!

The difference is in the parts included. The Carbon has a ton of goodies included.

That’s just how the feature is pointed out.

@@HarleyDesignsInc Just reminds me of the Pheonix kits lol

For the price the fusion is great.

It’s a dirt simple trans to build. Both are viable options of course but if you have the desire to build, I always say grab a kit.

I’d confidently say the Vanquish will still outperform it. Better center of gravity, better steering, all metal gears, more overdrive, better suspension, better weight distribution.

Axles too, them aren’t cheap

Electronics would need to be replaced if you want it to be competitive.

It’s printed onto the rear window decal.

I’m not aware of a paint you can buy that is the same as the RTR color.

The kit version came out a couple months ago. It’s called the VRD Carbon.

@@HarleyDesignsInc but u don’t get wheels or body n that it just chassie kit I hope ur not goin rtr n stopin kits n happy new year to u both n ur cats m8

Yes it is

@HarleyDesignsInc I thought so. That's my go-to crawl area. Keep up all the great content. Maybe I'll bump into you there someday. Happy New year!

The Stance body is available separately. It was released last month.

@@HarleyDesignsInc awesome! Thank you!

They do.

The kit version was already released…

Wasn't it a few streams back?

@@HarleyDesignsInc "New RTR from a company i work for - but i really like this car" from the video title segment of the last one.. I thought the laugh afterwards seemed a bit nervous 😂

@@rrrosengren hahahahahha I need to go clip that then.

Every dang time!

Some guys don't like to build

Why are people so ignorant? Some don’t want or never built an rc. People that just want to get into rc!🤷🏼‍♂️

Its a comp rig. If you cant build your not gonna be competitive either.@@INSIDIOUS-ONE

Most comp rigs are never driven in a competition. Most people just want a capable truck to crawl tough obstacles. Maybe 2% of people will ever actually compete.

@HarleyDesignsInc you're exactly right.... I probably have 10k in "comp crawlers" that have never went through the first gate! However, I plan to change it this year! I've been studying the rules today

I wonder why?

@@shaynejenkins446 it'll remain a mystery, I'm sure.

Its a comp rig. It looks more scale than what most people piece together to comp with. And you just threw all their other releases under the bus.

Its by far the most popular choice so far. So it would seem you're in the minority of that opinion.

It is still shit

Why? I'd just assume buy this over the kit

Kinda like your comment! You ever think maybe some don’t wanna build & some noob getting into crawling can buy a legit comp rtr instead of a trx4 or some axial rtr. People like you are what’s wrong with this hobby! You don’t like it so it’s trash. TFOH!

You lose almost everything that's good about the kit and gain their junk sintered gears. The electronics are all sub par as well. You would be money ahead to buy the kit and quality electronics from the start. Watch they will only offer the rtr soon forcing you to buy stuff you don't need that will end up in the trash. Then you will have to buy the upgrades to get it to the kits level

@@Suprzemodelworks I hope V. Will not do that to us, hopefully always remember the kit builders, where the origin came from

Already did it with their other rigs.@@Suprzemodelworks

They’ve got to save some costs somewhere. And the sintered gears hold up to a cheap brushed motor pretty well. Pretty common for an RTR to not have the premium options a kit has.

No you come on dude…. Get real Rice Crisp

Eh... The Phoenix RTR came with machined gears and the Twin transmission. Every vanquish RTR gets less and less value with each release. Just sad to see is all...

I can't imagine Vanquish pays anymore to have a Stance made vs the Fordyce but they'll still charge $50 more because it says comp😂

The issue is that your statement is based off of your personal perception which is vastly incorrect in relation to the overall market. RTR's sell 10:1 compared to kits. Hate them or not, that hardcore enthusiasts are far fewer than mass market customers. The kit version of this was released for the enthusiasts, but the RTR is what the mass market wants.