Jim Cornette on How Promoters Made Money

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2 жыл бұрын

From Episode 216 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
Artwork by Travis Heckel!
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@jasonvoorhees8416
@jasonvoorhees8416 2 жыл бұрын
I could listen to Cornette talk about behind the scenes all day. It really is fascinating.
@jasonvoorhees8416
@jasonvoorhees8416 2 жыл бұрын
@@ambassadorofthekingdom8896 you mean Jeff Jarrett? I wasn't aware he had one.
@polymathing
@polymathing 2 жыл бұрын
"Selling them the sleeves off their vests" -Corn
@markbayless398
@markbayless398 2 жыл бұрын
I dont agree with some of his opinions but he is definitely good radio
@cannabass5729
@cannabass5729 2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonvoorhees8416 you don't have to spell correct when it is literally the same name lol
@Isabelthompson99
@Isabelthompson99 2 жыл бұрын
I'd honestly rather listen to Cornette talk about the old days and houses and payoffs than watch a lot of the modern product
@debbieaustin9325
@debbieaustin9325 2 жыл бұрын
As one of the 5,000 people watching Smokey Mountain Wrestling in Pikeville, KY, I had no clue this was going on behind the scenes. Wow.
@joeboggio4002
@joeboggio4002 2 жыл бұрын
Love hearing the history about professional wrestling. It is deep and complex and has had an effect on sports, television, pop culture, and everything in-between whether the average person realizes it or not.
@venus7795
@venus7795 2 жыл бұрын
I love it more when Jim explains it
@naughtiusmaximus1811
@naughtiusmaximus1811 2 жыл бұрын
"Jabroni" is now in the dictionary 😄
@mider9996
@mider9996 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I've been watching since the Hogan days, it's interesting. Wrestling decent today with some guys but basically WWE doesnt even try now with their tv deals etc
@dwade6322
@dwade6322 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Pal! I couldn't have said iui t better myself.
@jeffmac9642
@jeffmac9642 2 жыл бұрын
Mike Rotunda heard this and now Cornette will pay his taxes
@prez6274
@prez6274 2 жыл бұрын
I love these segments more than the reviews honestly. Still love the reviews but these take the cake
@seebee6804
@seebee6804 2 жыл бұрын
I cant get into the recaps, modern wrestling is too bad. But these segments are the greatest content on KZfaq
@diggermeddler1169
@diggermeddler1169 2 жыл бұрын
Jim Cornette is a lying socialist, Trump 4ever
@SportPhilosophies
@SportPhilosophies 2 жыл бұрын
@@diggermeddler1169 Jim lies about politics for sure but not wrestling.
@jasonfortier4074
@jasonfortier4074 2 жыл бұрын
@@seebee6804 I agree with you. 100%.
@jasonfortier4074
@jasonfortier4074 2 жыл бұрын
@@SportPhilosophies That is quite the (embarrassing) statement. Please give one example, just one, of an instance Jim lied in anyway about anything political.
@662chillin
@662chillin 2 жыл бұрын
This is why Cornette has the #1 wrestling podcast The stories, history and just insight like this that most just don't offer.
@bikecaptain8015
@bikecaptain8015 Жыл бұрын
Correction: The #18 general sports podcast. He's said he doesn't want to be considered as a wrestling podcast, because it wouldn't be fair to any of the others. They'd just be #1 and #2 week in and week out.
@Xaintrix
@Xaintrix 2 жыл бұрын
This was a fascinating segment in how the territories and spot shows worked. Heard it on the podcast and glad to see it segmented out here.
@duckmercy11
@duckmercy11 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating segment in how to get away with carny BS and tax fraud, lol. He also neglected to acknowledge New Japan when saying "Nobody sells tickets anymore". I guess he would have known if he wasn't such a country bumpkin bigot.
@RainmakerXBooty
@RainmakerXBooty 2 жыл бұрын
@@duckmercy11 you're lost, puppy. go find your owner on the other channel
@protolegacy9184
@protolegacy9184 2 жыл бұрын
Cornette's memory on this stuff is astounding. He really is library of pro wrestling knowledge.
@Hypno_BPM
@Hypno_BPM 2 жыл бұрын
also he was very forward thinking for documenting his day to day operations back then down to the exact dates, locations and house show info. I bet he never knew he’d be looking back at them 40 years in the future and reading them on a podcast.
@KayFabe87
@KayFabe87 2 жыл бұрын
This is his true talent. He sounds so much more sensible, entertaining and logical when he focuses on pro wrestling and its history instead of the silliness of politics. Stick to wrestling Jim. This is what fans want to hear from a wrestling podcast.
@jliller
@jliller 2 жыл бұрын
He really needs to write a book, or five.
@RodneyBailey247
@RodneyBailey247 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jim Cornette. When you do this it’s very informative.
@kennethsisson9190
@kennethsisson9190 2 жыл бұрын
I could sit under the Jim Cornette learning tree all day.
@michaellloyd8496
@michaellloyd8496 2 жыл бұрын
I love listening to The History of Professional wrestling all the way back when events were held in house shows and Travis knows how to make the best art work!
@takerdust
@takerdust 2 жыл бұрын
For tv tapings, Memphis territory received around $400,000 per year in today's money.
@babanoo
@babanoo 2 жыл бұрын
Any small promotion would kill for that today
@jwb932
@jwb932 2 жыл бұрын
I used to go to WWF charity shows in the 1990s in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. They were held in a small gym with only about a hundred people there (which was 1/4 of the gym). It was fabulous! Ringside seats were only like $15, and you could see Randy Savage, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, etc.
@HellNation
@HellNation 2 жыл бұрын
History lesson for free. Just listen and learn.
@maluse227
@maluse227 Жыл бұрын
It's kind of wild how the old days of wrestling relied on community support so much, and I don't even mean people showing up for the matches, like Jim always talks about local teams, restaurants, radio personalities, construction companies etc and it's cool how wrestling as a business is anti-big corporation simply because you cant own all of those individual pieces that make wrestling truly successful.
@jliller
@jliller 2 жыл бұрын
Overlooked in all this is how insane and exhausting it is to work 7 days a week doing anything.
@roberthealey7739
@roberthealey7739 2 жыл бұрын
Jim is like a giddy kid on Christmas opening his presents talking about Old School Wrestling and I love it
@alexrobert13
@alexrobert13 2 жыл бұрын
I might be a little bit strange or weird, but I always enjoy listening to Mr Cornett talk about the business from the prime as I remember it, especially here in the UK from my childhood, more than I do actually watching wrestling today!
@chriss1686
@chriss1686 2 жыл бұрын
The horror in Brian's "What?!" at the thought of Synn swirling her tongue around Jim's big toe, and Cornette's subsequent total no sell had me in stitches.
@messey12
@messey12 2 жыл бұрын
It just now hit me that Jim Cornette is so compelling, I'm entranced by him talking about accounting stuff.
@bosarmin05able
@bosarmin05able 2 жыл бұрын
You also have to remember this was old school wrestling. Where a match would be a hip toss, knock down arm drag, which is perfectly fine! Those guys earned $500 a night to just do that.. whole guys today will get slightly more but have to do a 450 sunset flip on a burning table to get one fan to tweet about it.
@dwade6322
@dwade6322 2 жыл бұрын
Man,this segment was really great. Most of us know the 'basics' of wrestling's past...but Corny gives you the small details that you never could have guessed. Especially w/numbers concerning pay outs/costs/etc and how promoters skimmed poi off the top.
@garconvoute3024
@garconvoute3024 2 жыл бұрын
Let's go Jim Cornette!
@Mister_Phafanapolis
@Mister_Phafanapolis 2 жыл бұрын
Jim Cornette >>> Brandon
@shayr.3412
@shayr.3412 2 жыл бұрын
Lame.
@dontgotocollege5232
@dontgotocollege5232 2 жыл бұрын
Jim brings a good perspective. It seems that when you add in cost of living, it was easier for a poor or middle class person to achieve economic independence in the 70s and 80s
@drunkensailor112
@drunkensailor112 2 жыл бұрын
60s and 70s Yes. Purchasing power has gone hard down the drain thanks to neo liberalism instigated by Reagan and then even continued by the democrats.
@shayr.3412
@shayr.3412 2 жыл бұрын
@@drunkensailor112 Wow. It's that simple huh?
@drunkensailor112
@drunkensailor112 2 жыл бұрын
@@shayr.3412 Yes it is. That was the first presidency bought by corporations in ad campaigns and donations. And guess what Reagan did in return? He was basically a puppet. He also had the same iq.
@televiper11
@televiper11 2 жыл бұрын
Inflation was already retreating by 1979.
@herzkine
@herzkine 2 жыл бұрын
Reagan was the big change that ruined every Basis for a middle class or poorer person to have any chance of getting out of financial slavery.
@mrwednesdaynight
@mrwednesdaynight Жыл бұрын
We have heard so many stories about supposed robberies at the box office. Can you blame us for thinking guys weren't making money back then?
@Hellwolf36
@Hellwolf36 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was a fascinating segment I had to listen to twice. Amazing how different things were back then vs now.
@Nicbn1
@Nicbn1 2 жыл бұрын
Too many 2/3s. He must be using Steiner math
@jasonborges9752
@jasonborges9752 2 жыл бұрын
Steiner explaining this would be hilarious
@jonathancarlson6127
@jonathancarlson6127 2 жыл бұрын
This is like taking a course in Wrestling Economics with Prof. Cornette.
@georgemaranville3305
@georgemaranville3305 2 жыл бұрын
This is Jim at his most brilliant.
@TheEnzyme94
@TheEnzyme94 2 жыл бұрын
I love how Wrestling could help the community! As a fund raiser. I remember this from my childhood!
@gjfwang
@gjfwang Жыл бұрын
Tickets were a lot cheaper then even accounting for inflation
@garygarrett6608
@garygarrett6608 2 жыл бұрын
It's amazing that Corinth Mississippi was mentioned in a good light for the first time ever,, I was born and raised there
@rl318
@rl318 2 жыл бұрын
Jim is making another point that people born after 2000 might not get, these people were dealing in a cash business so they were not claiming taxes on all their money so they pocketed more profits.
@chrismemphis8062
@chrismemphis8062 2 жыл бұрын
like pizza and chinese restaurants....
@rl318
@rl318 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrismemphis8062 Deli's and bodegas in New York still don't ring up half of their cash transactions.
@chrischar9428
@chrischar9428 2 жыл бұрын
Not in STL
@duckmercy11
@duckmercy11 2 жыл бұрын
@@rl318 Yup. They sell untaxed loose cigarettes on the low too.
@genedriggers389
@genedriggers389 2 жыл бұрын
I do my shopping in hohenwald cause it has the closest wal mart to my house. Believe it or not wrestling still draws a crowd. My wife is from hohenwald just thought it was cool to hear it mentioned.
@duckmercy11
@duckmercy11 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, I thought he was making up a fictional town called Hole-in-wall.
@genedriggers389
@genedriggers389 2 жыл бұрын
No sir it's a real place. He has another video where he talks about bucksnnort tn. I live in duck river tn which is actually between hohenwald and bucksnort lol
@henriklarssen1331
@henriklarssen1331 2 жыл бұрын
@@genedriggers389 Hohenwald is german and can be translated 1:1 into Highforest, must have alot of german roots down there?
@genedriggers389
@genedriggers389 2 жыл бұрын
@@henriklarssen1331 you are correct. There are allot of German roots.
@helloweenfanmark7811
@helloweenfanmark7811 2 жыл бұрын
I used to wrestle in Howenwald back in the 90’s for booker Chris Champion(promoter Sammy Manire). Barnes Auction Barn.
@vtmiller63
@vtmiller63 2 жыл бұрын
When I was a little kid I saw a Mid-South spot show in the Eunice High School gym in Eunice, La. I don’t remember much about it except that a babyface Ted DiBiase and Mr. Olympia (Jerry Stubbs) were on the card bc my brother had Polaroids of them signing autographs.
@Schmuddel
@Schmuddel 2 жыл бұрын
This says less about how much money promoters used to make and more about how the dollar is barely worth the paper it's printed on now.
@duckmercy11
@duckmercy11 2 жыл бұрын
I guess that's why many people don't use cash anymore.
@jrtjonathanwinchell3955
@jrtjonathanwinchell3955 2 жыл бұрын
Jim Cornette talks about the facts and gate $ in his book and the attendance. It's interesting to me he is the best talker in the Wrestling industry and I like listening to him.
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 5 ай бұрын
This video is the only time I’ve heard someone mention North Wilkesboro outside of a NASCAR context.
@Hypno_BPM
@Hypno_BPM 2 жыл бұрын
this stuff is so interesting to me, the logistics of running shows back then. I would love to hear more stories of Jim’s early days in the business.
@bikecaptain8015
@bikecaptain8015 Жыл бұрын
Little did we know the real entertainment was happening in the office and the locker room and the car.
@AustenHilton
@AustenHilton 8 ай бұрын
I've never heard the sponsor spot for this. i was crying, laughing at Jim's conviction, and Brian's confusion
@KingOfWinter
@KingOfWinter Жыл бұрын
God it’s crazy how much things change in wrestling. Back in Jims day you wouldn’t go to a tv taping because they wouldn’t do anything cool so you go to the live event but when I was a kid we would hate when the show was just a “live event” because we knew they wouldn’t do anything cool because it’s not on tv lol
@jarrettreynolds4560
@jarrettreynolds4560 2 жыл бұрын
I live close to the Hopkinsville, Ky area and Evansville, IN area it’s crazy hearing where these territories once settled where I’m from. I remember Memphis wrestling was always around the Evansville area as well as the Smokey mountain promotion.
@misterx6346
@misterx6346 2 жыл бұрын
Sell tickets? Hell, even WWE and AEW have trouble giving them away.
@MatthewLittle
@MatthewLittle 9 ай бұрын
I don't know what's better - listening to Corny spin his tales or Corny riffing on the sponsors to his co-host's dismay.
@johnst3296
@johnst3296 2 жыл бұрын
I love hearing about this stuff. The hate watching modern stuff is fun sometimes but this is why I'm subscribed.
@DonStugots
@DonStugots 2 жыл бұрын
This is the type of segment I’m here for. Thank you.
@AHeroAlmost
@AHeroAlmost 2 жыл бұрын
People can disagree with Jim’s views on current wresting but when it comes to stuff like this he’s unmatched … Could listen to it all day …
@Dave-rf1zj
@Dave-rf1zj 2 жыл бұрын
He is a historian, that really loves pro wrestling. You're definitely correct, there are probably very few that have the overall wealth of knowledge on pro wrestling that Jim Cornette has.
@aayzajm
@aayzajm 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve literally spent the past 25 years wondering what happened to that storyline 😂 I remember the 2 weeks of promos on it and the match but them never wrapping up the Diana part!
@jfaria4043
@jfaria4043 2 жыл бұрын
I love it when JC takes us all to school
@rickledford2953
@rickledford2953 2 жыл бұрын
I was born and bred in Johnson City Tennessee. And wrestling was in my blood. I was 17. and went to watch wrestling at least twice a month. at the legion Street rec. I would watch the Fuller Brothers. Adrian Street. Ron and Don write. big bad Wolf. the hands of stone Ronnie Garvin. Kevin Sullivan. But that's not the end.i also went to Smoky mountain wrestling quite a bit. I truly enjoyed it.
@babanoo
@babanoo 2 жыл бұрын
Thoughts on current wrestling?
@DJB1PlanetFunksville
@DJB1PlanetFunksville 2 жыл бұрын
Love how anytime cornette talks about oldschool wrestling the views are thru the ceiling
@rudyrusso711
@rudyrusso711 2 жыл бұрын
Jim's knowledge and records of the Terriyory days is Amazing!!!
@kujorunit
@kujorunit 2 жыл бұрын
As an Evansville, IN native, I love how often Jim uses Evansville as an example on the podcast.
@kingmalcolm9605
@kingmalcolm9605 2 жыл бұрын
I would really like to hear Cornette review wrestling games from over the years
@scrappy93
@scrappy93 2 жыл бұрын
These are the segments I like. The history of the of what it was like back in the day.
@joshnewman3152
@joshnewman3152 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the breakdown. Then you imagine every part of the country with a active territory, crazy going back and looking at some of the small towns drawing 2k +.
@TakeNoteOfThat
@TakeNoteOfThat Жыл бұрын
I wonder if there were less savory sponsors for spot shows. Surely somebody was trying to make more than the cost of new football uniforms?
@baileyslife3469
@baileyslife3469 2 жыл бұрын
These are the segments I live for
@R0binah00d
@R0binah00d 2 жыл бұрын
When I heard this on the podcast all I was thinking for the 45 minutes was “holy crap I can’t wait for this to hit KZfaq so I can send it to several people I know” this was amazingly informative and I loved every second of this lesson.
@dustyhaynes5688
@dustyhaynes5688 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody knows more about rasslin than Jim.
@robr5786
@robr5786 2 ай бұрын
The awa did have shows in smaller towns in my area in the late 70's,at 2 area high schools
@nathannxn
@nathannxn 2 жыл бұрын
when you live like 20 minutes from North Wilkesboro where almost nothing ever happens; and you randomly hear Jim name drop it... nice lmao btw there is nothing in North WIlkesboro now, prob even worse 30 or 40 years ago
@chrismemphis8062
@chrismemphis8062 2 жыл бұрын
Good one. Love to see what's behind the curtain
@willisskull2676
@willisskull2676 8 ай бұрын
I thought the promoters made money by putting the house profit in a basket, throwing it in the air, and giving the boys whatever stuck to the ceiling.
@leondarnell1
@leondarnell1 2 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@elland37
@elland37 2 жыл бұрын
Gary Hart also broke down how the payoffs were done. It's in his book. Corny is always right.
@d77543020
@d77543020 2 жыл бұрын
Jim needs to put all of his notes in a book
@jeremyc.2680
@jeremyc.2680 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic stuff!
@robbiehammock2492
@robbiehammock2492 Ай бұрын
i could listen to this all day.
@baileyslife3469
@baileyslife3469 2 жыл бұрын
These are like time machine rides for me , he gets so detailed and so precise I feel like I’m standing next to him in ghostly form as this is happening , absolutely love it 😍
@brodocbetty4856
@brodocbetty4856 Жыл бұрын
A business badly in need of a union.
@michaelmarino7391
@michaelmarino7391 2 жыл бұрын
45 minutes of Wrestling History! Buckle up & enjoy Cornette junkies! 😁
@colbycheese
@colbycheese 2 жыл бұрын
I miss old school professional wrestling 🤼‍♀️
@user-zt5ni5ew2s
@user-zt5ni5ew2s 10 ай бұрын
The last real mind in wrestling
@markostojic99
@markostojic99 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 25 minutes in and just realized his only point is that live shows sold better before the internet existed. I mean I love hearing his stories, they're downright educational, but I thought there was going to be a less obvious or more insightful point lol Edit: about 34:30, I take issue with the implication that not drawing a crowd of 4k means people aren't interested. I've sold pro sport tickets in both hockey and basketball and I can't tell you how many times diehard fans have told me they've already experienced going to a game and a nowadays are fine watching from the comfort of home. The only reason I make it a point to go to WWE or AEW is because they come rarely. If they were local and ran every week or month I'd be much less tempted to bother, i.e. my local indies.
@DUFFYISBACK
@DUFFYISBACK 2 жыл бұрын
A nice 45min Sunday Corny vid to listen while i slay wild beasts in the Witcher 3, Magnificent!
@edwarddubois7046
@edwarddubois7046 2 жыл бұрын
The more I hear about this Ernie Couch fella, the more I like him.
@iwficon
@iwficon 2 жыл бұрын
Understand that the "modern day" stuff gets the views/listens but I'd much rather listen to this stuff than the reviews of the current product. Fascinating stuff
@shakycameratheater
@shakycameratheater Ай бұрын
WWE would go to the Scranton CYC in the 80s. They'd stop by on the way to Pittsburgh or Philly, 2 times a year. WWE stops by the local arena for the Scranton Penguins every 15 to 18 months. Scranton would be a C toen in the territory days. We were happy the two known guys from television showed up for the main event.
@mr.mirchenstein6549
@mr.mirchenstein6549 2 жыл бұрын
“Hole In Wall” Tennessee lol
@johnnymedrano7081
@johnnymedrano7081 2 жыл бұрын
Someone share this to Tony Khan lol.
@dvon1097
@dvon1097 2 жыл бұрын
I wish i was alive in the territory days. I grew up in the attitude era which was an awesome time but it woulda been so cool going around to see different territories and different wrestlers every month
@ramirezmanuel117
@ramirezmanuel117 2 жыл бұрын
Danm sounds like a good hustle.
@dejuans1328
@dejuans1328 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear Scott Steiner explain the math
@georgedavisii2451
@georgedavisii2451 2 жыл бұрын
😆
@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma
@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma 2 жыл бұрын
Ho-medics? Is that Para-medic's from MGS skanky sister?
@raionbomber75
@raionbomber75 2 жыл бұрын
Learned a lot on this one.
@laksivrak2203
@laksivrak2203 Жыл бұрын
I hope some Wrestlers were working as Giggalos on the side 😂😂😂😂 I’m sure there were plenty of ladies with there husbands $$ to spend
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid Жыл бұрын
Buff Bagwell has entered the chat
@greenwheel444
@greenwheel444 2 жыл бұрын
Good ole Hole in the Wall, Tennessee. I know it well.
@johngraham9117
@johngraham9117 2 жыл бұрын
MJF vrs Punk. Im willing it into existence. I know it doesn't fit here
@steveo10861
@steveo10861 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the old FIA fund lol
@georgedavisii2451
@georgedavisii2451 2 жыл бұрын
😆
@brian_b_music
@brian_b_music 2 жыл бұрын
How hard is it to understand that in any business you don’t get paid if you don’t show up to work. If independent contractors don’t have insurance, they sure don’t have vacation or PTO.
@Tcup1982
@Tcup1982 9 ай бұрын
I was born on September 17 too😁
@user-mb9ni7ut2p
@user-mb9ni7ut2p 2 жыл бұрын
when he said that FIA fund line i've completely lost it 🤣
@MrDagonOfTheDead
@MrDagonOfTheDead 2 жыл бұрын
Sponsors cover the shows nowadays(mostly) and the marks cover their shows with a debit card😳
@chrisbarber4575
@chrisbarber4575 2 жыл бұрын
I'm like 20 25 min from Hohenwald lol...
@TheRydog61
@TheRydog61 2 жыл бұрын
Jim!!
@natebaxter9551
@natebaxter9551 2 жыл бұрын
Corny giving out free game yet again.
@slabbusterrtr7690
@slabbusterrtr7690 2 жыл бұрын
How's corney remember all this shit I can't remember 2 days ago Lmao
@aretnap3653
@aretnap3653 2 жыл бұрын
37:22... I'd Like to Have Ernie Couch's Old PinBallMachines. (If They Function)
@aretnap3653
@aretnap3653 2 жыл бұрын
"I Got Eliminated from a BattleRoyal." I Kinda *WISH* I Could at Least Say That! 😜
@InvisibleHotdog
@InvisibleHotdog 2 жыл бұрын
I don't have a pet but HoMedics gave me a free one with my purchase
@BUPMY1
@BUPMY1 2 жыл бұрын
lol@ "FIA Fund"
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