After watching this again, the last part where it says "Team OG qualifed for The International 2019 With the same roster." just to win another freaking Ti back to back gives me goosebumps.

43:40, a bit of a timeline of how the split happened: S4 was supposedly initially approached by Evil Geniuses in secret sometime during the Birmingham Major to make the jump to their team. Fly finds out about this, and approaches S4 and EG and asks them to consider him as well. The hotel room meeting was several hours before OG had a flight to another tournament, the Chinese Supermajor. Fly and S4 leaving at that time ensured that OG had no time to search for replacements, and thus had to drop out of the tournament. Meanwhile, Fly and S4 were able to attend the Supermajor with EG's new roster. It was definitely quite a dick move. Even the Chinese fans, who are somewhat separated from Western Dota drama by the language barrier, also thought that it was a dick move.

I"m not gonna lie, i really do want a friend like Ceb, or want to be like Ceb. The way he understands people and the way he talks makes it refreshing and motivating as a person.

Dude I've been playing this game for over a decade; seeing an absolute legend of another games, suddenly jump into this game, with all the support of other big names, whilst also adding his own share of experience from their other game careers is absolutely refreshing! Thanks for the content man, and welcome to this cursed game called Dota 2!

Fun fact, Jerax was basically unbeatable when playing earth spirit and made the heroes look insanely broken that the dev had to nerf it twice and making it unplayable at all in competitive scene at that time, he wasn't the only reason but he is mostly the source of it lmao

Grubby - at 17:00, what he means is you can buy speed, you can buy height, in the context of when building a team, you can go pick up the Shaq, and you can go pick up the Allen Iverson and build a team around the traits from what players you want/can gather. In a Dota context, they just mean "we can 'buy' an aggressive mid, we can 'buy' a playcalling support" (ok so about 30 seconds after I made this comment, a chatter pointed this out. LOL, sorry for the rant in that case)

ive been watching this guy's reactions and i can see how he appreciates the game. subscribed!

N0tail has a REAL great eye for talents heck, even those superstar names that we know and look up to now. Miracle, topson, ana. Correct me if im wrong but i think he's the one who took those guys in to be in Monkey business/OG

5:50 the TI8 game 5 lineup. Still give me chills.

Grubby with one of the most mature takes on the Notail-Fly incident I've heard.

51:30 the whole sequence from there is just gold 🤣 I bet everyone was like "where's the boat?"

The problem with how Fly (and s4) left was that they obviously knew before Birmingham that they would (or at least considered to) leave. Yet, they desided to play a big tournament with 2 guys having their minds set towards another team. AND leaving a roster at that point dropped OG into the open qualifiers... Sure it made the whole story more epic, but it's still shitty.

Its really an anime story especially the last part is such a great ending when u know what happens next :D

DotA 2 community doesn't call him traitor just because he left Johan lol They call him traitor because he left the team during international, right before 3 months of international like OG would have straight up dropped out from the TI, it was an narcissistic move I don't care about this friend or that but at least you need to have some human decency, he left them right before TI was going to start, and had fight with Yohan, just because he wanted to switch teams also after EG lost he in an interview smiled unto the camera and Said I hope LGD wins this TI and not OG. So yeah his narcissistic and self serving twisted nature wasn't liked by audience and also Cr1t from EG also S4 who's notorious for betraying every single team that relied on him all came together and EG became a hatred hub whilst OG was an underdog with new standins so now with these kind of stories and character it was perfect underdog disney movie, with it's villains for people to blame and it's hero for people to praise.

It has been great revisiting these videos with you Grubby!

17:20 mark, in sports, you indeed can buy strength, speed, height, etc. If you are an org with good budget, you have options to get your team a strong player, a tall player, a fast player, etc. depending on your budget and how much that player costs. This happens a lot in all of physical sports where say in basketball, if your team needs height, then you buy several players above 6'8 for example to help you out, thus buying height, same with speed, strength, etc.

Topson and Ana are back in the pro scene today! They are playing for T1 in qualifiers for this year's The International.

It's not about leaving them hanging. It was about not talking it out... the feeling of betrayal comes out of the way it was done.

I've never played Dota in my life. But i got to say this is one of the best "document" i've ever seen in my life. It feels like it's written by one of the best movie writers. Just got it recommended by KZfaq couple of years ago, as i did your reaction to it know. Not gonna lie, i've watched this "movie" like 3 times already. It's just so well made.

@17:00 what the guy is saying is, as a team owner/manager, you can get players who are tall, fast, strong, or whatever you're looking for in a player. But you can't make them trust each other and work together well

NoTail's "All six of them" always makes me cry ! :')

every now and then, I go back and re-watch the TI8 UB finals game 3, just to remind myself that that game actually did happen

there's something so special when you play with a team that you like and respect and trust and enjoy just being around all just having fun, that to me is dota. you can pick any character and win or lose you have a great time just being there. the only problem with this is that it's extremely rare to have that level of friendship that all enjoy the same game you do about as much as you do. but when it happens it's just magic. now it doesn't have to be dota, but dota just exemplifies it really well. and that tournament was like just kind of proof that happy thoughts go a long way.

Really love how level headed and insightful your reacts are. Subbed.

When he says ‘you can buy height’ he’s referring to how in the nba players are bought into teams based on height, so for esports height could represent reaction time, or some other gameplay skill. But, you can’t buy someone who you can trust and who trusts you. Edit: Also, about the first generation comment; he said the first generation of a new type of player.

So many nice scenes of my neighbourhood of Frederiksberg in Copenhagen

"They were the favorite but that depends on what you favor" doesnt make much sense on its own but with the part that came after its clear what he was talking about.

thanks grbby for watching this.. as a dota fan for so long, u wanted this game to extend til my son could play this.. this video was so much emotional how many times i watched it. hopefully u stayed and enjoyed the games we keep playing. welcome grubby dota2

You can get a tall guy (buy height) you can get a fast guy (buy speed) but you can't buy communication (can't predict how people are going to gel), and you can't buy trust (can't predict who will trust who). This is true in baseball, football, etc. That's what he was saying. This is a popular and common mindset in sports ownership when looking for new players.

The "Are you gonna invest more time when your hearti s not in it " line is something people can implement not only in relationships but also in life. We always think about being with the norm and not getting out of the box is ok since we are already here and might as well just do it. Remember that whatever happens, if your heart isnt on the right place, its always bound to fail at some point. Every endeavor that you go on will fail if you dont put your heart in it. also Grubby is right. Theres no other way Fly can do it. If he wants it, he needs to do it. He sure does suffer the consequence now but thats also part of it. he did what he wants and even though the consequence of it afterwards was massive, he probably made peace with it.

watching this live, so much fun... can't wait for the ti10 true sight watch party

Man, this was a fantastic run for OG. I love how new people in Dota are enthusiastic about this stuff. Really feels like a breath of fresh air. A pity we never saw the gold roster of OG playing against TSpirit, they really seem like carrying the torch now.

going thru a fucking shitty time, I lost something rly valuable, Grubby, viewers, u know when u lose something it sucks but when u lose something that MEANS something..ye, but thanks to you im still smilling and enjoying the videos u provide and entertain us with, thank you

Thank Grubby for doing these series rewatches.... brings back a happier time in my life

wow i am early holy. also i wanna see how grubby affects increase in the number of new players, him plus ti is probably gonna get a lot of new players in the game

17:14 he meant he can find tall and fast players, because those features are very measurable on a get go. Trust and good communication are not so easily measurable as they are team oriented features and when you're assembling a team, you can only have a good guess at start. You cannot really simulate a tournament pressure. I could be wrong, but I think that was his point.

Seeing your face expressions is awesome. imagine how tense it was, seeing this live the entire TI week. After that finals weekend i pitched a movie story of this to alot of my friends and coworkers. they could not belive this story was real.

New fan here Grubby, been watching your Dota videos and loving it, plus I think there's something about us being the same age that really makes me feel like I can follow your thought process a lot more than these zoomers, I really appreciated your mature take on Tal leaving OG, I'll admit I was quick to call him a traitor when it happened but there is always more to the story and I think the younger crowd wouldn't understand it like people with more experience in life. Excited to see more of your stuff!

Grubby you should rewatch the full grand final from TI8. Really incredible games for both teams. Really beautiful dota. You'll learn a lot about the game and respect how intense those matchups were in those games as well.

*All six of them* This hits me. I miss this one friend of mine, we're the ones who play dota among our friends. He plays mid and I'm support. Man those good college days. We play as long as we can, really missed those. We both now quitted dota and took our own paths in life. Those were the good times. *It's best to play with friends* win or lose.

Loving the reactions Grubby keep up the good work buddy! And welcome to the wonderful Dota 2 community!

„I thought they were also on a boat” 😂 51:39

I love that grabby is new to dota but, because of his background, very quick to catch on.

Oh hell yeah new video, i get excited everytime

I never played or even watched a single game of Dota2 besides these movies but these guys are my heroes now.

OG building their team before TI8 has some real Overwatch trailer vibes. The one where Winston is calling everyone back together.

There it is baby! That's what I've been waiting for!

Kiev Major. The Comeback against VP with Ana on Troll Warlord. Still one of my favourite E-Sports Moments i wittnesed myself. Love that u dive into these storys. Keep it up. Following you forever i feel. I member your Housetour, must be 10 years ago now

I'm so hyped to see Grubby watch the upcoming True Sight with the rest of us.

bro. how come I see you just now? what mature insights about the drama and the machine part in lgd/ good content man

@16:46. What the guy was saying is that you can buy speed as in a fast player, height as in a tall player and strength as in someone who is strong. He was refereeing to all sports because that is what scouts look for. But you can never buy loyalty.

When the guy quotes that "you can buy speed, you can buy strength, you can buy height" he means in constructing a roster you can go pay the necsssary money to get the physicals you want

Finally reacting to this documentary... Love your insights and opinions Grubby

Amazing!! I recommend watching Dota archives too, especially The Buyback and Gyro Diffusal. It shows how good ana and topson really is in Dota.

I love grubby’s positivity in everything

Amazing work on the explanation, trying it definitely

Love this game, happy to see you appreciate as well!

I was waiting to your reaction to this because I've never saw it before either 😌

When he said "you can't buy speed, you can't buy strength" etc he was talking about physical sports where you can pay more for a faster or stronger athlete but that doesn't mean you can trust them.

Thank you again grubby for reacting to this beautiful team. I can't wait for that day that valve invite to be in TI.

Ohh I just noticed you hit the 250k Sub Mark! Congrats!

That part where Ceb had them come to France was the reason why people treat Fly as a traitor. Ofc he knew going out that way would leave the organisation in a mess. Ok, maybe his heart wasn't there anymore. Sure. He should have told them that's the case, and he's going out, but not in a short shocking manner like some teenager heartbreak. Make time for his old org to slowly replace him, since the issue was clearly not just about you feeling you're no longer on the right place. (There's probably a bit of internal politics between them here, too, which I won't talk about). Doing this at this exact timing of OG's lowest point ever could have broken the organisation forever. Fortunately Ceb stepped up to... kinda power-grab OG via the hole Fly left. It was necessary, as NoTail clearly needed the time to heal and grow up. This whole TI8 OG story, in the end, turns out to be a story where this person named Johan Sundstein grows up to be a man.

They picking they favorite hero in the grand finals is absolutely insane confidence!

I never realised how much hate Fly was still getting. I'm 100% with you for all you said about the Fly situation. He is a toptier player and he try to go another way to TI.

ITS HARD NOT TO CRY!!!!!!! I'VE WATCHED THIS MULTIPLE TIMES NOW STILL MAKES ME CRY 😭😭😭

Buying speed, height, and strength is referring to teams in other sorts that will pay large amounts of money to pay for the best players in the in order to stack their team so that they have as little competition as possible.

Defending the "you can buy speed" guy, he's just making a generic sports comment. You can buy fast, tall and strong players for money. You can't buy team trust and synergy.

Biggest anime betrayal in eSports history

I still remember watched that final game on my senior college year Me and my friends went absolute banana when OD shout CEEEEEEEEEEEEB I lost 50K IDR to a bet with my friend but damn, those were really good games

1:24:35 watch the actual game of that clash. Somnus' Kunkka was already relatively strong at that point but Notail's Furion toyed with him and made Somnus do a looot less on that clash.

IMO, this is by far the best game tournament I've ever watched. The whole time I got goosebumps and just hearing them and watching from a screen, I felt their emotions. A group of ragtag that somehow found each other and turned everything upside down and proved the world wrong. Although what happened after TI9 was sad, everything has to end at some point.

I still believe that Fly wasn't supposed to win TI win Notail, he is the one pulling Notail down. He said that he didn't trust Notail anymore, you don't do that to your real friends. Then this OG won solely on blind trust to one another. Their biggest strength is their trust.

Hey Grubby, think you could do a retrospective video/stream where you comment on how you played when you started the A-Z challenge compared to now? Would be pretty cool.

Enjoyed this! Recommend you watch the TI finals between Navi and Alliance, I rewatch every few years.

Grubby if u want some background. Back then NOTAIL was Carry or pos 1. When all THE events happened, NOTAIL REALLY lacked as a carry. Like U saw...they didnt believe in him as carry anymore. Imo fly leaving was like I won't kick u even I know I think you are the problem. Well, NEXT year played as pos5 support and things changed. NOTAIL was a GREAT carry back then But now it was time to give younger players the core position. To sum up thats why they left notail cuz they believed notail was the problem as carry

"the height-buying guy" lmao, i kept laughing every time he showed up after that speech 😂

Best thing was that the document roasted Grubby every corner. XD

The Fly S4 situation is not too hard to follow imo. S4 at the time was one of THE biggest names in Dota 2, a prior TI winner who was considered one of the best mid laners in western hemisphere. He was disruptive to the team by all the comments about him from other team mates and hints that OG members have dropped. He seems like a nice guy, so I don't know what is the deal, but he has been accused of being snobbish by more than one team, it could also be his Swedish sensibilities (or lack of, considering we are not great at it here). So his presence gave the team a lot of prestige but it was also expected that he probably will not stay as he was constantly swapping teams after Alliance fell apart. Fly was not only the best friend, not only a part of the OG mindset, not only the captain but also the part owner of the team. And he either was told and tempted by S4 or found out that S4 is leaving, and got in contact with EG about joining them...WITHOUT giving the OG leads, team, his friend, anyone except S4 a heads up about his decision...right as the TI season was starting. This is extremely unprofessional because he isn't only a player, he also the captain, and co owner and his partner is the team manager and his partner is also going to exit the team with him. Here are pointers to take in: - If you are already going into a tournament with the prospect of you are about to head into a new team and play the next tournament with that team you sure as hell aren't going to be playing well with your current team, because you don't even care. - You are the captain, the captain is supposed to lead in the good times and bad times, for fuck's sake captains are synonymous with being expected to go down with the fucking ship, not bailing the moment they feel the pressure. - Your life partner is also involved with the team as the manager and is responsible for basically all the needs of the team, from being the contact person, to making sure the needs of the team are met, and she is also going to leave with you. AND YOU STILL ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TEAM YOU CREATED IS GOING TO HAVE A BACKUP MANAGER WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO LEAVE FOR ANOTHER TEAM? - Also you don't sell your shares, but transfer it to your partner so that you still rake in the money from the team you are abandoning, effectively milking the cow till the last drop. - Not to mention, your best friend, the one you call your brother is in a vulnerable state in his personal life and you are fully aware of it. I don't know man, this isn't grey, this is very black and white, the man made a decision knowing his decision is going to sabotage the team. Why isn't anyone mad at S4? Ana has left the team abruptly multiple times, JERAX, Ana and Topson all are playing for other teams now, no one has any issues with it. Why is that? Because none of them had the position of Fly, none of them did what FLY did, it was a clear betrayal weather anyone likes it or not, it is what it is.

in regards to the t18 favorites, at the time I definitely saw a lot of people saying EG were their favorite to win TI, heck I was one of them. I wagered on EG winning because frankly, I thought sumail was unstoppable 😅

I always played Dota 2 player since Beta, but played a lot less for the last at least 5 years (probably 100 games per year). Watching you play last week sparked the joy of playing the game again and I played around 50 games in 3 days. It's a treat watching you play

Crazy to think how long ago ti3 was. When illusions dealt full damage to buildings

grubby gave a good point about fly living OG. good job grubby handling chat.

17:05 what he meant is that in a team you can “buy” or acquire through trades the physical factors that will aid you to a competition, height, speed, strength can be ll covered by drugs, equipment while trust is fostered by the players themselves

I played HoN for years back in the day when Fly and N0tail dominated the scene with Fnatic. I only recently watched Grubby reactions to the Truesight vids and then found this vid on my own. I was often skeptical about playing Dota2 being so far behind on game knowledge and whatnot now that I'm a working boomer, but this comeback story transcends Dota and lit a fire under me. I have now gotten farmed in my last 10 pubs but at least the vid is still good KEK.

OG turned last game into a pub, what a Boss move to just pick your faves!

Are you going to stream this year's TI man?? It's gonna be awesome (the Final at least)

damn been a dota player and been a fan of OG in the Philippines but back then at my time and the place i lived where technology is not that advanced i thought the issue between fly and notail was just made up to hype the seperation but men watching this again brings back old memories at that place we were still using brick phones like nokia where you can change the keypad and blackberry keypads men im old xD

I remembered watching the TI6 game OG vs TNC causeI was support both I'm an OG fan and also I am on the side of the SEA Server teams especially TNC with Filipino players (Im a Filipino) .. that was somehow shocking and heartbreaking at the same time .. I felt like it wasn't meant to be in that results .. almost made me think that OG was being way to confident for themselves that they didn't studied their opponents .. they didn't even banned the bestpicks of their opponents and just trying to force their way of how they play and how they drafted all the time .. that TI also results to its breakdown and to some of their fans .. but not me 😁

1:18:51 The fun fact about "chinese year" is, TI has a curse or pattern for team that winning ti.. TI 1 champ : NAVI (not chinese team) TI 2 champ : IG (Chinese team) TI 3 champ : Alliance (not chinese team) TI 4 champ : Newbee (chinese team) TI 5 champ : EG (not chinese team) TI 6 champ : Wings gaming (Chinese team) TI 7 champ : Liquid (not chinese team) so people predicting TI 8 will be the chinese year again, and OG proved it wrong and break the curse..

This team found and solved so many ways to not win TI. Such an awesome story of guts. Sebastian is the definitely the GOAT, what an awesome human.

OG is incredible team they always find some good rookie like miracle,topson,ana,ATF,yuragi,BZM,

Papa Ceb: "Come to Paris boys". Some love right there

what a great story of OG, and watching this again with Grubby so much better

I love hove how Grubby laughs like Admirall Bulldog at some points 😂

It would be nice to see you react to dota archives or the remember when series.

Fun fact. Sumail the TI winner at 16 yrs old was OG carry of TI10 along side topson in mid, notail, and ceb

1:24:37 nope, he was on arcane curse but switched to str power treads before tping, adding HP and letting him survive 2 more ticks

great to have a balanced view on the whole n0tail - fly thing. Good vid thanks Grubby

I haven't got through this whole video yet, but couldn't help but notice how they seemingly brushed over how Notail and Fly played together for Fnatic in HoN as well, long before they got into Dota 2. Him being called a traitor seems to be a slight stretch. Keep in mind, him leaving was ultimately the catalyst that made it possible for OG to turn into two-time, back to back TI winners. Edit: Yeah, that took about another 3 minutes. My bad.

Hey man love your content ! Especially your take on Fly. We assume him as a traitor but he is actually competitive sort and wants to win above all. As he said OG is "victory" and "friendship", Notail is the friendship part but Fly is the victory part and, for his own goal and career, he had to take a decision. Now I m not telling Notail and the rest of OG didn't suffer, their feeling is leggit 100%. But you know when I see the look of Fly after he lost to OG, I don't see sadness but more like "regret". Lot of things must have gone into his head, before, at this moment and after. And maybe he tought that OG didn't win because of him. Must have been hard for a competitive guy. But anyway thanks to that we got one of the most epic story of E-Sport so far. Love those guys and as French man I was happy to see Ceb at the top !