If they're hating on a new Mario hame, then I guess not.

It seems they transformed into Pokémon fans.

Mario fans are trying to stoop to the lows of the Sonic fandom.

People just hate everything now. I blame twitter

@@Nintenblox I doubt even Twitter would be this braindead.

i can't understand why some people don't like oydessy but it's a but excessive to hate on it considering how popular it is Mario Wonder d Deserves no hate

Odyssey is the best Switch game of all time

Wonder’s art style was way too childish for me. The New Super games were the perfect mix of family friendly, but adults would still enjoy it. I don’t see the same with wonder. Again, this is just my opinion. I’m not just “looking for a reason to hate wonder.”

I’ve never heard anything

@ts7844 no

That’s the funny part they aren’t who ever made the video is only targeting one minor part of the Mario fandom

The Mario fandom was always dogshit.

*prowler theme*

and that's what's annoying to me, it's the fact that it's the loud minority. It's annoying because a lot of the takes against Odyssey really don't make any sense. I mean i've seen people say that Odyssey's moons are useless because they vary in difficulty yet still have the same value, but this goes for both Sunshine and 64 also. I mean for example you have Thwomp's fortress, were one star you literally just go left, go down and do any sort of high jump such as a triple or wall jump and reach the star, which is vastly more easy compared to other stars in Thwomp's fortress. I don't even have an issue with that but I'm just sick of hypocrites using logic against Odyssey which wouldn't even stand against the games they praise like 64 and Sunshine.

@@Daft0Cean968 Not understanding a criticism, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. In 64 and Sunshine, the star/suns represented progress through the game. They varied in difficulty, but that didn't matter because finding one always felt rewarding. In Odyssey, the moons are over abundant, many hidden with no greater challenge than random coins, and are arguably less important than coins to the overall game. They ultimately suffer the same problem that the Blue Coin Challenges suffered in Sunshine, they aren't worth the effort of finding.

​@@bethanyh1637Wrong you don't need a guide to get the moons because the blue Toad and the parrot helps you.

My dislike of Odyssey is mostly just out of the too many moons thing. Specifically them being easy to get. When it comes to the movement, aside from the fact it doesn't have a sunshine spin jump, I find it great. Heck, while not 1-1, there's a reason this sort of movement was modded into SRB2 for a Mario mod. And I love it there too.

What is the reason? That game sucks.

Some Sonic games were a little lackluster just as some Mario games were. But both have gotten much better in recent years.

Same

@@MacUser2-il2cxTrue

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That's because they're not as prone to reselling older titles like SEGA does, While I am more of a Sonic guy I respect what Mario goes for though tbh most of the Mario games are repetitive and have the same story plot over and over awhile Sonic goes for different villains and stories Even if some of the games failed at least SEGA tried, I'm not saying Nintendo doesn't try and Peach Showtime is a good start they hardly change up the Mario formula But fans make Nintendo sound worse then what they actually are

yeah then they say OH i mISs tHE GoOD Old DaYS

i hate this cycle a lot

@@davilucca4094”NINTENDO WAS NEVER GOOD” they say

Literally TOTK.

​@@davilucca4094 The craziest thing is that I've seen people say that they miss the Wii U days, and Nintendo was much better than today.

same

Same

Same!

Same

I liked it. I didn't love it though. There are way better games in general than Odyssey.

Fax they don’t even make up any of the major mario fandom

This is literally a repeat of what happened in the godzilla fandom earlier this year.

They are Marion't fans

Of course not, we're humans.

@@rockowlgamer631 true

Nope! A world where people can be grateful is only in a alternate universe

I wish

Think of all that work the developers put into their game just to get criticized😭😭

Yea, I honestly just blame the internet (or ig just social media) at this point for making it easy to spread negativity And that's not just for Mario games, but the gaming industry as a whole, everyone's too busy shouting "gAMiNg iS DyiNG" whenever a bad game comes out, as if bad games were a new thing, and then proceed to generalize that to saying even the good games we have now aren't as good as the older ones I personally think the Switch is Nintendo's best console, and I'm pretty sure someday we're all gonna be nostalgic for it, like, even the Wii U is getting there now...

⁠@@marcoalves9029Especially they don’t know that Nintendo so far is literally carrying the future of gaming so far despite being shady along with Sony and Microsoft. At least you don’t see Nintendo acquiring multiple studios and publishers and not doing anything with them, along with buffing up prices at 100-120 dollars which is really crazy.

@@justinyoon2840​​⁠as someone who owns a PC, PS5 and a Switch, I can confidently say that, in my opinion, Nintendo makes the best and highest quality games. They’re simply pure fun, and almost every 1st party Nintendo game has a charm to it which no game has ever come close to mirroring. They are all so unique, so fun, the art styles are amazing. Meanwhile everyone else (Xbox, PlayStation) is too worried about ultra realistic graphics, and now every game looks the same. Games don’t have art styles anymore on PS and Xbox. Save for a few titles like Elden Ring (but Elden Ring isn’t a 1st party game). Long live Nintendo, and I love that they still make and support proper physical games. No downloading bullcrap - but proper physical games. Put in the cartridge, and play right away. No need to download the game contents. All the content is on the cartridge (except for updates obviously). Despite all these things I love about Nintendo, I’m well aware that their Online services are very outdated. They don’t even have a party chat system. Whilst this doesn’t bother me, because I only play multiplayer games on PC/PS5, it’s still not an excuse because a lot of people only have a Switch, and the lack of a party chat system can be annoying. Meanwhile, PlayStation and Xbox have full on discord implementation on top of their party chat system. So yeah, they are lagging behind on the online aspect. However, for 1st party Nintendo games, I could talk about how I love them for hours. I don’t think I’ve ever played a 1st party Switch game without smiling at least once at the art style, the expressiveness of characters despite the lack of voice acting, the charming worlds and puzzles, it’s just all so amazing. And what’s so great is, I’ve barely even scratched the surface when it comes to Switch games. I’ve owned a Switch since December 2019, basically 2020. And there are still SO many games that I am extremely interested in buying in the future. However, these are some of my favourite Switch games I’ve played so far (in no particular order) 1. Zelda: Breath of the Wild 2. Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom 3. Super Mario Odyssey 4. Super Mario Maker 2 5. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe 6. Pokémon Legends Arceus 7. Super Mario 3D World (not played Bowser’s Fury yet) Games I own but have yet to play: 1. Skyward Sword HD 2. Link’s Awakening Games I’d like to play in the future: 1. Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze 2. Super Mario Bros. Wonder 3. Pokémon Scarlet/Violet 4. Zelda: Echoes Of Wisdom (on release) 5. Mario VS Donkey Kong 6. Mario Party Superstars

The only reason that people like the old games so much (despite the fact that newer games are objectively better) is due to nostalgia, that’s it, pure nostalgia

I think you're close. But real opinions do change. And the loudest opinion isn't always the majority.

@@bethanyh1637 on an individual level, sure. People’s opinions do change and evolve. But regarding the optics of what an entire fan base thinks, it’s far too often said that fandoms “can’t make up their minds,” which really annoys me. This notion that people who were singing a game’s praises are now the same people who are saying the game is actually bad is frankly absurd to me. I think that 9 times out of 10, you’re just seeing the opinions of a different subset of players within a fandom, not people who have radically changed their minds.

@@artsyomni You're right. The optics are near sighted. No one ever sees the entirety of a fanbase at any given time. But hype can cloud peoples' judgment to the point that they might not be as open to criticism they otherwise would be. The typical pattern, no matter the medium, is always downward... praise becomes scorn or apathy. Sometimes apathy becomes praise, but almost never does anything move from scorn to praise. I've seen my opinion of something change too often and I've seen the general opinion of something change too often to attribute 90% to different groups.

@@bethanyh1637 well I can’t pretend to know the actual proportion of how often it can be attributed to different people expressing opinions at different times. I’d have to do some pretty thorough research to come to a real conclusion on that. But my intuition is that more often than not, that’s what’s happening. I have a hard time believing that people who are open minded enough to actually be persuaded from one position to a different one are also frequently going online to disown their own previous opinions in a public forum. I think more often, people are just giving hot takes that they were too timid to give when they were surrounded by vocal people who felt the opposite way. I’ve had my own opinion of things shift in both directions. I enjoyed Skyward Sword a lot when it came out, but looking back, I can recognize its flaws. But because I’ve held both perspectives, I’m not exactly compelled to share some kind of incendiary take about it on twitter, because I think both perspectives are valid and don’t need to be challenged. Maybe I’m naive to think that other people will see it that way.

This guy is on to something. But calling Mario wonder a mobile game is kind of crazy.

To make us miss the koopalings of course, and it’s working. I miss the koopalings.

Bosses were likely not a priority when making the game.

@@Crafty_boy70that's pretty much the problem with every mainline 2D Mario game. Why can't the devs evolve past this lazy mindset by now?!

For real

@@oliverhurt3418 First of all, defaulting to calling the devs "lazy" is a stupid and reductive. Such ideas are a plague in the gaming community. There could be many reasons why bosses in 2D Mario are bad. It could me that they didn't prioritize it and ran out of development time. (Bear in mind that this game _was not,_ in fact, developed over 10 years.) It could be that the devs simply aren't good at making bosses. It could be that they don't care about bosses, and only add them by necessity. Or it could just be that momentum platformers like Mario don't make for good boss fights.

@@ClaireSoelberg-op8id orrrr people actually have those opinions but don’t get noticed/don’t voice them until the original hype of the game has died down. Odyssey and Wonder are very overrated IMO, and *almost* every criticism I’ve seen against them are completely fair. It’s very sad people can’t have differing opinions than the majority without being absolutely trashed on for it.

@@JBLilPaper That's fair. Faking hot takes definitely does not apply to everyone who criticizes these games.

We will never truly understand Nintendo fans will we?

No idea. We are in a new era where we have Mario RPG classics coming back at the same time as brand new Mario games that are actually high quality and not just NSMB games getting copied and pasted over and over again with lackluster sequels.

I know right? I never understand fans, nowadays.

I think have an idea on why it is just natural for people's thoughts on things to change. A person can love something growing up, but than look back on it and realise it wasn't as good as they remember and vice versa.

Counterculture and the need to be different.

People only say Wonder has Android graphics because the system it’s on. In my opinion, Wonder is like a dream. It’s real, but it doesn’t feel like it.

Super Mario Wonder is original af and i love it!!!!!

Neither are true

Super Mario Wonder graphics does not have android graphic for sure.

But i'm pretty sure Mario Fans can sometimes not be Mario Fans.

The first one was fantastic with the DK DLC. :D Sparks of Hope was alright too.

I’m pretty sure he means genres, not amounts, because if it was amounts, one of the Paper Marios would also have left the chat

Mario + Rabbids actually sucked

@@TheDHono nah the first one was pretty fun for me, havent played the 2nd one yet though

@@Narteketh Well the first one wasn't fun for me and I'm never playing the second one because of it

True people need to stop complaining about games after about 5-6 months after it’s release because people are just looking for a reason to complain

@@Rashadplayz21Yeah

And yet that’s not even the full handful of them at all that’s just minor numbers 10 bad eggs when compared to millons more is such a hasty general

We need a new Donkey Kong game.

@@MacUser2-il2cxAgreed

theyre special alright, special ed.

Yep and they want an excuse to get free games and come up with BS reasons to pirate and say Nintendo doesn't allow them to play older titles when every console had backwards compatibility and they're online service! And they also get mad at them for shutting down Wii U and 3DS shop when no one cared for it to begin with only when Nintendo shuts it down is when they all of a sudden care

Yep, because their parents told them their whole lives they were. Only to discover they’re not.

It's like Zelda BOTW and Zelda TOTK haters. How in the world could you possibly hate those games?!! O.O

@@MacUser2-il2cxYeah fr! Those games are awesome!

how could they possibly have a different opinions!!>!?!!? how dare they!?!?! !

I bet your over-generalizations make the community a peach.

@MacUser2-il2cx i mean i kinda get it with TOTK. There's is alot of treading familiar ground in that game and i think that's why people were disappointed. However, i kinda was expecting that the game would basically be a mario galaxy 2 situation again, where it's just more breath of the wild. I think people were setting their expectations high due to how long it took to come out

Because they want to make Nintendo look bad

🎵and thaat iiss, Irrroonny🎶

Clearly not because Sonic fans would’ve started off by saying Sonic beats mario then go on a 10-hour rant about power scaling and stuff like that

@emorybest1003 Oh yeah, I didn't account for that.

Don't be fooled what they just described is dragon ball fans​@@Avarege-physics-and-mario-fan

@bradleydrake6941 oh sir surely you're right! But in all accounts, those negative opinions without any concrete evidence about our beloved mario is an agglomeration of every negative part of fandons in general

@@bradleydrake6941 hi

The new KZfaq meta is to have two titles, the thumbnail has the real title while the title gives clarification

"Do you know how little that narrows it down."

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Not true. I’ve been a Mario fan as long as I’ve been alive and I don’t hate on Mario games

@@Cubbie410 dawg that was a joke 😭

​@@Cubbie410 It's a reference to a popular saying within the Star Wars fandom

I don't hate Mario but I also don't like Mario I love games like 64, Sunshine, Kart 64 and Wii along with Mario World and the spin off's like Luigi Mansion and the party games but most of the Mario games are repetitive and repeats the same story and same villain Galaxy is a great game but I think that would have been a perfect chance to bring us a new villain someone other than Bowser I'm really just sick of the same thing over and over but there are still Mario titles I love like what I listed and a few more

@@smallbag123 and @HMMadsen I said what I said

It’s for two reasons. Popularity and internet.

Tell me about it, After 06 they only wanted Sonic playable and then when Forces came out changed they're minds

Super Mario Odyssey got criticism 1 year after it's release it's not a recent thing so it isn't as drastic as you may think it is it started to get criticism after the hype died down

It's a very small minority and isn't anything near the Sonic fandom.

@@Josue_S_6411 It's also worth noting the hate for Super Mario Odyssey is not a more recent thing people have been criticizing the game 1 year after it came out

​@@elioridacowwait is that really the reason..... YOUVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME

It pretty much is like twitter! They will love your stuff for awhile but eventually they'll hate it for whatever reason

@@elioridacow yeah it’s stupid but in the meantime I’ll relax make videos or overplay video games and have a great time

They won't, the average twitter user doesn't exist irl

Agreed

Debatable

@@FUZE_JUICe You know a game is great when the main complaint is that there's too much content

@@LEGO_NASCAR not even my complaint, just that in my opinion odyssey isnt the best one in the series

@@FUZE_JUICe I know, but I'm just saying that because that's the most common criticism it gets.

I saw someone on a comment section say Sonic Mania absolutely sucks and there is nothing good about it. I immediately knew he was just trying to be different.

I agree

IMO People are idiots😤…(Except you😊)

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In an ironic twist sonic fans are not being too harsh on Sega lately, I mean they still always complain like every fan base does but it hasn’t been insane. Sonic fans are praising Sega for not rushing the development of the newest sonic game, really the only complaints are going to paramount because of the sonic movie 3 trailer’s absence

@@thebrickbros.1294Ever since Frontiers was able to jump back up despite its issues and criticisms, it was still a good Sonic game at least. For the movies side of things… yeah it’s kind of an issue here.

@@justinyoon2840 oh I was talking about sonic X shadow generations, not frontiers but you do have a great point.

@@thebrickbros.1294 The only time that the Sonic fans have been complaining most of the time was Forces since the game had tons of backlash. Thank god from Frontiers and now Sonic x Shadow generations aren’t getting tons of backlash so far.

@@justinyoon2840 I wouldn’t say it was the only time, clearly you don’t know this fan base as well if you think that forces was the only complained about game. Sonic 06 was one of the worst games of all time and nearly ruined the entire franchise, sonic and the secret rings was a pretty terrible game. Sonic 4 was a very sinful game since it was terrible but they had the nerve to call it the successor to sonic 3. Those are the big ones but honestly it doesn’t even scratch the surface of how many complaints fans have with sonic

Guess what? Neither does Sunshine. Or Bros 2. Or Land 2 and Odyssey to an extent. They dont have to all feel the same.

@@batmanbud2 but those were good. mario wonder wasn't great as a game generally. it just didn't entertain me.

@@SmartyLightYT well, guess what? I didn't like Mario 3. It's just opinions, buddy.

@@batmanbud2 thats why i commented

That’s the WHOLE POINT of Wonder, it was meant to be a totally different type of game than any other Mario game

mmm i dont think so. I really enjoyed Odyssey, but in my opinion Galaxy is much better. As for Zelda, in my opinion the best game is still Link's Awakening DX. Tears of the Kingdom looks fantastic, but I don't think it can top Breath of the Wild. I have no hate for any games in either series, because they are all good but I just don't feel that the newest game in a series is automatically the best one

@@chloeryanvtuberman Link’s awakening DX is a very niche pick for best Zelda. I’m honestly kind of curious as to why you think it’s the best

Definitely! That's way too much praise.

@bethanyh1637 bait used to be believable

THE YAPE IS HERE

Theyll compare anything Nintendo makes to mobile. Little do they know that Nintendo games have FAR better gameplay, stories, and arent burdened with ads or microtransactions.

No I was

You were both about 10 seconds after me, I have screenshots showing the seconds

Nah lol

@coastercube838 Bro I literally looked right as I posted the comment and it said no views and when it refreshed it said I was before everybody else but maybe were before me idk youtube is weird sometimes

@@beefryvioligamingandmore there’s always some lag, I really don’t care that much. I just hate little 5 year olds saying “first” whenever a video gets uploaded

finally, a sane person

Holy cow someone who gets it

But their opinions ARE wrong. "Android game"? Really?

@@Josue_S_6411 android game is a bit far, but every other criticism is completely fair.

Because he is MAGA who spreads fake news about Nintendo like this video and he deserves to be impeached by Joe Biden.

You'd be right For now

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