Oh Dear Microsoft! Windows 10 KB5034441 Will Not be Offered Under The Following Conditions!

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@bingvarstand47 Ай бұрын

They could simply stop offering it! What a mess.

@madmax2069 Ай бұрын

That's Microsoft in general

@1DwtEaUn Ай бұрын

Or at least buy / license EasUS Partition Manager to make a tool to auto resize that partition up by 400 mb, moving other partitions around as needed after shrinking the system drive down by 400mb

@ZipplyZane Ай бұрын

They could, but then anyone who uses Bitlocker and encrypts their drive) would have a huge security hole that would let an attacker get into their system. No, Microsoft has better options. Just ship the image file itself already patched. The new file is just like 15MB larger, and most recovery drives still have the space. It doesn't need to have 250 MB free. The recovery image is 478 MB or so. The old one was like 463 MB. My recovery partition is 512MB. The file fit just fine. (See my other comment to read how I got it to work.)

@ZipplyZane Ай бұрын

@@1DwtEaUn Shrinking partitions isn't hard, and Windows already will do that. But moving them in your main drive can easily result in not being able to boot. There's a reason even EasUS will tell you to back up your disk first. That said, they could just shrink the main C: drive and make a new recovery partition. Though as I said in my other posts, they have better options. Very few partitions actually need to be resized at all.

@madmax2069 Ай бұрын

@@1DwtEaUn there is a risk in doing that, most people wouldn't bother with it as the security issue is only if the attacker has physical access to the computer.

@cam_934 Ай бұрын

Amazing that MS make a USB installer that creates the recovery partition at a certain size then they release an update that fails to install because the recovery partition is to small. How could these pack of clowns not realize that for months then tell you to fix it yourself.

@TheForce_Productions Ай бұрын

Please, clowns are repectable people, too much say for M$.

@epytaffskitchenstink Ай бұрын

@@TheForce_Productions Agreed!

@STCatchMeTRACjRo Ай бұрын

maybe this is their way of forcing users to change to windows 11.....

@TheBrain2K Ай бұрын

Well, Windows 10 came out in 2015. Back then, common sizes for affordable consumer SSDs were 100-250 GB and people would get upset if a "useless" recovery partition took up multiple gigabytes of that. Especially when the Windows installation plus pagefile/hiberfile would quickly grow to more than 50 GB. Nowadays where you can get a 1-2 TB SSD for the same price, loosing even 10 GB to a recovery partition isn't much of an issue.

@cam_934 Ай бұрын

@@TheBrain2K This is happening on Win10 PC's sold in 2021 or from the latest Win10 22H2 ISO downloaded from MS.

@devonprince Ай бұрын

Microsoft have lost the plot. We all have real lives to live not messing about with computers.

@madmax2069 Ай бұрын

They're too busy pushing cloud storage, and AI to care about anything else.

@impoppy9145 Ай бұрын

That's the problem with Linux tho. Linux is a full time job, and you won't even be able to run everything.

@MrPathakhemant Ай бұрын

MS is playing with customers who are compelled to use windows 10, or who can not afford to update OR upgrade

@earthoid Ай бұрын

Or those who upgraded to Win11, saw no point to it, and went back to 10.

@Acceleronics Ай бұрын

I'm another old guy who has used MS products since the MSDOS days, but recently moved to Linux Mint. Linux noob-friendlyness is hugely improved since the last time I looked at it. I see no reason to go back to Windows.

@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 Ай бұрын

Commercial programs that don't yet support Linux, but do support Windows, are probably the main reason.

@synthoelectro Ай бұрын

we're all jumping ship, used MS since 1995 moving to Mac in the 18th for my music needs. Sheesh what a horrible OS Win10 is.

@koitsu2013 Ай бұрын

I'll be in the same boat as you later next year (re: old guy and moving to Linux), once MS officially deprecates W10. I'm not going to W11 no matter what. Enough of this tomfoolery.

@koitsu2013 Ай бұрын

@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 Funny enough, WINE is quite good these days (often more performant than native Windows!), and you can always run some kind of virtualization solution as well (ex. VMware Workstation Pro, VirtualBox, proxmox on another dedicated system, etc.). MS has no idea what they're doing in the consumer space any longer, treating their OS like a toy or high school programming project. I feel crazy even saying this, but things were better under Ballmer.

@synthoelectro Ай бұрын

@@koitsu2013 it's like they hate us and their OS.

@Noodles.FreeUkraine Ай бұрын

Who woulda thunk laying off your QA team would actually have consequences. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@ZipplyZane Ай бұрын

Having recently handled this on my computer, Microsoft is being dumb. They very well could get this update to apply just fine. The issue is supposed to be that there isn't enough space on the recovery drive for the update. Vut the final file fits just fine as long as it is at least 475 MB. And it had to be at least 465 MB for the old image. Seeing as most people will have a round number (e.g. 500 or 512), it would almost certainly fit. So the problem must be not having enough free space to apply the patch. But there's an obvious solution to that. Windows can disable the Recovery drive, which copies the image file back to the Windows folder. Now you most likely have plenty of space to apply the patch the image file. Then just reemable the recovery partion, which will copy the file back. How do I know this will work? Because I basically did this. Moving my recovery partition was too much of a headache, so I made a new one that was 1GB, and deleted the old one (after disabling it, of course.) I allowed the update to apply to it. Then I noticed the resulting image file was small enough to fit my old recovery partition. So I disabled it, deleted the new partition, and recreated the old one. Then I reenabled it, and it worked perfectly. Now, of course, this is all rather complicated to do. My point is just that I proved Microsoft is making this much harder than they have to. They could have just applied the patch in the Windows folder. Or, heck, replace the recovery image. It's not like each user has a their own special one. There seems at most to be one per version of Windows 10 (e.g. Pro, Education, etc.).

@BrunodeSouzaLino Ай бұрын

The most annoying part of it is a vast number of end users don't even use the recovery features and reinstall Windows instead, making this feature and update useless.

@ehsnils Ай бұрын

Every time there's a generation change at Microsoft there's a wave of strange security issues and problems appearing because those making the patches aren't aware of what the previous generation knew.

@Itsgone99 Ай бұрын

Whelp, it's a lesser known but greatly exploited fact too much competition creates a frictional layer of secrecy and security...

@Corteum Ай бұрын

So stupid aye. Well, if they dont get their shxt together, theyre going to get replaced by something far superior.

@oronjoffe Ай бұрын

What a mess! Amazing that a company the size of Microsoft and with the resources it has cannot aotomate a solution to this problem (which should not have occurred in the first place).

@billy65bob Ай бұрын

they've done it before. I've been bitten by them leaving multiple recovery partitions on my Virtual machine's drive, which caused all kinds of problems later on when I wanted to extend the main partition, and I then found 3 recovery partitions in the way. That's in addition to the one at the front.

@ENNEN420 Ай бұрын

They want the average home user to use regedit and the command prompt for a basic update. Maybe MS is preparing them for a certain OS where the terminal is a bit more centric to the user experience?

@shardzkaylar Ай бұрын

I fixed this problem by installing Linux Mint.

@repairman2be250 Ай бұрын

That is not a fix of the problem. That is a move to Linux decision.

@Leon_Portier Ай бұрын

Alternatives! I've been dual booting with Mint and that update made me think my old win10 finally kicked the bucket

@Corteum Ай бұрын

Why Mint and not other distros?

@gobravo123 Ай бұрын

Me too.

@thomrl Ай бұрын

Fedora and Pop are great alternatives

@Paul_Wetor Ай бұрын

I'm very Windows-savvy but I am not going to mess with commands to resize a partition, especially with the variables involved.

@thomrl Ай бұрын

This keeps feeding my decision to switch to Linux a month ago, with positivity

@Drout Ай бұрын

This is absolute BS from Microsoft, because at the end of the day if their is another update and has the same situation like the 4441and they don't fix this issue then we are gonna get updates that we can't install until we increase the partition size. What the hell is wrong with Microsoft?...

@jonb3311 29 күн бұрын

Just updated my Win10 and the useless KB5034441 has disappeared from my download list. Now I can resume normal updates and not have to put up with M$ pestering me every day to install it.

@Islanderview Ай бұрын

Luckily I have Partition Magic. Extended the recovery partition slightly without any trouble.

@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 Ай бұрын

Gparted should do it from Linux too... but the weird thing is that even growing it well over a gigabyte was not enough to let this accursed update succeed.

@TornadoesGaming234YTB Ай бұрын

I had that update on my laptop and it installed just fine but my dad's desktop has been failing to install it Also I even noticed something the update Windows 10 ver 22H2 (KB5040427) I noticed on the Welcome screen when turning on my laptop it has a Windows 11 default background image

@repairman2be250 Ай бұрын

Many users probably do not even know that Windows is updating in the background until the message appears Windows needs to restart. Even after that restart people just go on with their lifes and do whatever.

@koitsu2013 Ай бұрын

Just hide the update as you've mentioned. Microsoft should just release an updated ISO that has this fix in place (for new installs , of course), and leave pre-existing installs alone. The RE partition size not being big enough IS NOT the only problem; I've tested 1-2GB RE partitions with this KB and it still fails. MS botched something in the IMG, plain and simple.

@paulstubbs7678 Ай бұрын

Interesting, I just had a look at my update history and it's been successfully installed. I don't use bitlocker, not have I done any of the carryon mentioned, it's just happened when I wasn't looking, so to speak.

@earthoid Ай бұрын

I don't even use a password on my PC because I only use it for games, and when I power it on it goes directly into Windows 10. So I guess I don't need this update to protect it from someone trying to break into it!

@donny5707 Ай бұрын

games without online platform? just wait until they encrypt your offline game's save datas and ask for 1000$ for each save files.😈 but just relax if youre playing those by steam platform

@hamishthecat4370 Ай бұрын

Microsoft, total incompetence.

@repairman2be250 Ай бұрын

Why do you use Windows then?

@1DwtEaUn Ай бұрын

@@repairman2be250 because ReactOS is not quite up to par yet for the programs you require?

@Itsgone99 Ай бұрын

Too many people are obsessed with competencies these days anyway. It's exasperating the problems caused by ineptitude and politicizing it. Not good for anyone at the end of the day.

@bkThund3r Ай бұрын

At this point, everyone needs to stop using windows, as a main pc. Install a linux distro on a new machine, then use boxes or vmware to run windows 11 to install all your games and windows dependent stuff.

@michaelkreitzer1369 Ай бұрын

"Someone would have to come into your house and sit at your computer", i.e. steal your laptop, which is the scenario where you most want drive encryption.

@redacted629 Ай бұрын

@5:10 so their aren't current individual exploits that do those very things?😉

@DaemonForce Ай бұрын

I still get pinged with this update. It's been 6 months and I don't install WinRE on any of my workstations. If I need recovery, I boot from a separate WinPE volume.

@earthoid Ай бұрын

I told it to quit bothering me with this update and it did.

@aniksen3831 Ай бұрын

Everytime this update is downloaded automatically and then it failed to install 😄

@agostinhomatos321 Ай бұрын

So many comments praising linux in face of a known problem with windows, which has always happened so many times since the beggining of this OS. The same can be said of linux with a not so far extremely serious problem with a compression tool, xz utils, found out by a Microsoft engineer! Problems do always exist, most of the time they are solved, in the case of the KB5034441, the load of work involved and the risk of implementing it with non-technical users is not justifiable for the benefit we would gain. I myself used a tool to hide this windows update so it will be no more presented in the future. Leave the militantism for other more important world situations. I am a long time user of windows and debian linux, using both every day.

@cpuuk Ай бұрын

MS, either fix it or remove it.

@MEANASSJAMSTER Ай бұрын

well, I did the re-size thing so as to not have to keep unplugging the internet during boot up (loool) ...the pesky '441' update has since gone through...

@aniksen3831 Ай бұрын

Hello mr bren now time to made a relaxing poadcast

@ultraprimez Ай бұрын

🪛 up MS. I am happy with Linux❤.

@michelwong1 Ай бұрын

👍👍

@madmax2069 Ай бұрын

Once windows 10 support ends, my low end PC is getting some linux treatment.

@thomrl Ай бұрын

Why not start now? 👀 The more that goes to Linux now the quicker Linux will get to a point everyone wishes it will be

@madmax2069 Ай бұрын

@@thomrl I'll just wait till support ends.

@donny5707 Ай бұрын

whats wrong with opening folders through command lines

@madmax2069 Ай бұрын

@@donny5707 if I want to go back to doing that. I'll just go back to using DOS.

@thomrl Ай бұрын

@@donny5707 what are you talking about?

@k.chriscaldwell4141 Ай бұрын

If you bought in to M$’ “updates” nonsense, you only have yourself to blame.

@DanteMishima Ай бұрын

I swear they pushed this update to force Win11 upgrades

@janjakobsen7243 Ай бұрын

One answer: Linux!

@cmdr.shurimal8980 Ай бұрын

Joke's on MS; I don't even use Bitlocker and the user account doesn't have a password on it. Why does a desktop PC with one and only one user in a non-corporate environment even need encryption and passwords? They just make data recovery more difficult when the WIndows install inevitably craps the bed one day.

@brittbrisell8942 Ай бұрын

Oh. I have not been able to update anything since August 2023!!! How will it go when I can do it?🇸🇪

@repairman2be250 Ай бұрын

Not enough info provided to help you.

Ай бұрын

I would jump ship to Linux if those dudes were not obsessed with finding the new "flavor" so obsessively... MS does things that make you wonder if they actually know what they want... I went to W11 after convincing myself that there was no future in W10, and now they keep the updates for W10...

@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 Ай бұрын

@@humanvideosponge4529 Linux doesn't have the kind of corporate advocacy to consumer and business office software vendors for their software that Microsoft does. When will there be something like a Ubuntu Gamers, Ubuntu Business, etc.?

@Itsgone99 Ай бұрын

@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648when someone with a lot of money says "I need some robots to be trained up discretely". Video games are just interactive propaganda pieces.

@synthoelectro Ай бұрын

The company has become a cult. They weren't nearly that bad back in 7, something changed drastically.

@humanvideosponge4529 Ай бұрын

@@synthoelectro I don't know what caused the change but it started with Windows 8. That's all I know. They've been getting more and more obnoxious and pushy ever since then.

@synthoelectro Ай бұрын

@@humanvideosponge4529 it's the gov, has to be.

@MEGASILVEREAGLE Ай бұрын

in my OPINION, Microsoft did this on purpose.. So that you may need to buy a new CPU (COMPUTER) With win 11 on it.............

@19Koty96 Ай бұрын

Yeah, this kind of incompetence looks very willful. I mean, think about it, Win10 goes EOL next summer, leaving Win11 as the only supported consumer OS, while they are clearly fine with supporting WinServer OS several generations back...

@user-kr6ih2gz5l Ай бұрын

no sense, MSFT plans to keep updating Win10 for 5 more years after summer 2025, why? Idk, MSFT is making no sense at all But personally I wouldn't complain

@sihamhamda47 Ай бұрын

@@user-kr6ih2gz5lI think it's because Microsoft wants to reduce the EOL shock to most companies that are still using Windows 10 today and they want the transition to occur more seamlessly. Just like they do with Windows 7 in the past, Windows 7 was announced EOL in 2020 but not totally died until early 2023 because Windows gives it extended support

@user-kr6ih2gz5l Ай бұрын

Windows 7 only died (for real) due to devs not willing to code software for it (e.g Steam, Chrome browser).

@BrunodeSouzaLino Ай бұрын

There's a similar update with the exact same issues in 11 too.

@ronp5615 Ай бұрын

DEI in effect. Shoutout to Boeing and Delta

@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 Ай бұрын

DEI schmei. This is just plain greed.

@BHSilver Ай бұрын

I'm not going to do Microsofts job for them. If it needs to install and wont, that is on them, not me.

@haroldcampos9661 Ай бұрын

Windows 10 is especially terrible, since always

@thesoundsmith Ай бұрын

If Microsoft breaks my computer, they owe me a new one. If I gather a couple hundred seriously pissed-off users with the same issue and take a couple busloads to Redmond to pick up our new machines...