In Law, what they are doing is NOT harassment. People need to educate themselves as this is what gets them in to trouble. Look how many cases those freemen of the land ever won - absolutely none!

​@@Bond2025You can legally claim harassment after removing their implied right of access to your property. After an occasion where they come to the door after you've removed their right of access to the property, you can go to court with a lawyer present and have them go through the motions. The protection from harassment act 1997 section 1a and 1b states that a person should not act in a manner that amounts to harassment, and that they know or ought to know is harassment. There is an exception to this where they can claim they were doing it to detect or prevent a crime, however, if they have no access to the property, it isn't a reasonable exception under subsection 3c. I'm not a lawyer, but I suspect that's how a court case would end up looking like.

You will never get them for harassment because it’s covered in the legal act they do all this. 44.000+ people were convicted last year, so, if the send an official legal notice - reply not guilty

​@@davidshaw123451001but you don't know this figure for sure, I believe it's all fabrication just to scare people

If it is a crime Basic scenario they had a search warrant and they found I was watching live TV Why wouldn’t the police officer arrest you for that crime It is not a crime it is an act If it was a criminal offence then they would arrest you

The letters serve as a nice reminder of how much money you are saving by not having a TV licence; I've saved over £1k.

Me too got a tele 📺 but only watch you tube

Yep, same for me. ‘The legal owner’ Not having had a licence ‘ever’… for over 35 years I have received these letters over the years to which I have never ever responded or communicated with them in any shape or form. [they have no idea who is living at my address or even if it is occupied or not] They started off being addressed to the legal owner because they don’t know who I am, then suddenly after a few years my name appeared on the envelope as if they had somehow found out I am, I ignored them as usual… then after several months they reverted back to being addressed to the legal owner again, Then another couple of years later they again came with the envelopes addressed to me by my name, [again into the bin they went] and then again after a few months they reverted back to being addressed to the legal owner [and so the cycle continued for quite a few years] I eventually worked out that they must be periodically checking the electoral role with the local council to see who is registered to vote and living at my address, then after failing to get a response my address would go back into the pile of unknown occupants until the next time they check the council register again. Interestingly they haven’t put my real name on their letters for the last 15 years or so, now it is always addressed to ‘the legal owner’ It makes me think that the more you ignore them the further under their radar you become.

The number of trees they kill to make these letters and the carbon footprint it then takes to deliver said letters is criminal

Bet they came in handy during the Pandemic when there was a loo roll shortage 😂

I'm in the same boat, I'm surprised they haven't named me as public enemy No1.

Sorry m8 need a loysense

Brilliant.

Yeah, I am staggered by the productivity of Scott Robson - he's one hell of a productive individual.

Such a collosal waste of money. All to harass people into buying something they don't actually want.

Proper manner? Surely the last few years have shown that the BBC doesn't know the meaning of the phrase. It's little more than a Home Counties private club with a hand in all our pockets.

They won't!

As an Australian a TV license is nuts. At most we fund our governments TV channel via our taxes. (and I don't even watch it these days) and the privately owned stations make their money from advertising. I see a lot of these videos and the one thing I never see is the posters telling people to challenge the law in parliament. To get off their backsides and protest. Write to their MP's etc. Just a lot of impotent raging and putting up with it. Superman does not exist. He is not coming. Save yourselves, because nobody else is going to do it.

I'm afraid other corporations send out very similar letters. Crooks, the lot of them.

Sod that do what they do .....force payment for services you don't want or need ......back when I was riding with a patch it was called extortion 😂

Quite so. Funny how the ‘right organisations’ can get away with anything.

Two justice systems in this country. Always has been.

The BBC are the elite, they do what they want.

The airwaves are (or should be) free. They have no right to charge you for such a naturally existing thing, it is like charging you for using oxygen. They are the ones actually using the airwaves, therefore they are the people who should be, if anyone, doing the paying. This is just another example of government exceeding their powers for criminal gain, just like using traffic cops for revenue collection. Motorists, another poor cash cow. Bloody gangsters.

Did you say stance or STATUE? Check the building and you shall find all the proof you need thatsomething is not right there. Thanks for your reply.

The BBC should be investigated - in depth - as a matter of principle and justice.

Won’t happen to many of them pi$$ing in the same pot that allowed a 70’s DJ to get away with so so much and some are still at it

If the BBC were investigated for anything, the BBC and the people investigating them would be able to do it at their next dinner party. The whole thing is a stitch up by a tiny, un-represrntative, social set.

Hi Steve, yr right. I’m 88 and have just had one of these letters.

I'm almost 80, and pay the licence fee simply because I don't want my nervous wife worrying about it, and because she does watch live TV (obsessively.) I hardly watch TV at all. Allowing the licence to lapse as I simply didn't have the money at the time (neither my energy supplier nor local council having consciences either) I was soon receiving threatening letters by name. So - not just thieves and vagabonds, but liars too.

How small tv license going after 75yr old grandparent’s

​@@jackwaycombeChin Up Jack, don't pay it. So easy if they come round as Door to Door, sale's persons. Just say No Thank You and Shut The Door. Just don't watch bbc or the bbc iplayer. They are scum. Put the money to your food or heating. 🙏🏻

How a megacorp justifies chargin oap/blind & deaf I will never know...

Well said a lot of people are scared of letters like that

​@@colinowen7730shouldn't be though, Bless their Hearts.😢

Cancelled my DD in June this year. Had at least 5 letters in the post, each one getting more threatening. And an "enforcement officer" knocked on my door a couple of weeks ago and hand posted a red and white letter ( no name or house number) more or less accusing me of lying that I wasn't following the ..no licence rules. But I am❓ Have to admit....it's worrying me. But I'm not funding their nonesense. 👍

@@cassandrade-wolfe6926 Don't let their nasty threats worry you. Anything more nasty like that put through your letterbox just DONT react... chuck straight into the bin. They'll get tired of trying to intimidate you that way in the end.... and take all of Jon (CJC)'s advice on what to do if you open the door to someone and find it's them. Two very short words... "No thanks" and slam the door closed. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

@@LouSmorals2066 Thank you 👍

I just save them up and use them for starting my wood burning stove in winter 😊

@@robbeales5516 Oooooooh I've always wanted a wood burning stove 🙂 Good idea.

What you do with these litters you put in them in file 13 ) the bin and don't open the door just totally ignore them. ❤

What they are doing by sending letters is not a criminal offence. Your interpretation of the Law in England and Wales is WRONG. This is a mistake many people make, it's similar to people that shout, "I'll sue you" when a person says or does something they do not like! If you do not want letters, remove any way of posting them through your door. To clear up a legal point, sending a letter with real threats could be an offence, but advertising services and informing you of company procedures is not.

Not if you're the BBC, report them to the police and the police will say that you are the criminal(despite doing nothing wrong) and the BBC are the victim because you haven't paid for a licence, regardless if you don't need one.

It can be, but that is not what is happening if you look at the wording of the Law and what you are trying to make fit in to it.

I know, right. Seems they're exempt, as even the police will agree that's exactly what their letters are, and on top of that, blackmail. Until the moment they find out it's the BBC and then they're suddenly no longer interested. There's a video here on KZfaq about it.

The defense is that if the letter serves an official purpose.

@@qetoun Fraud by false representation This is to made a false representation dishonestly, or, knowing that the representation was or might be untrue or misleading with intent to make a gain for himself or another, to cause loss to another or to expose another to risk of loss. Just toughts. Thanks for your like.

​@@qetoun Can a commercial enterprise like Crapitas even claim that exception?

You'll get ignored. Instead, ignore them. The letters are meaningless twaddle.

And the BBC reporters who insist on describing Hamas as Militants, not Terrorists.

Oh. You’re one of those.

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@@davidk3729 and fail to describe daily bombing genocide as genocide.

That's the way to do it :o) Well done.

He should call them what they are. Utter scumbags.

They only have power if you communicate with them, get yourself a video doorbell and check it every time someone is at the door - if it is a tvl salesperson, don't answer the door.

​​@@ep1929 Er... not everyone can afford video doorbells. Personally (at almost 80 and virtually housebound) I think it should be an available aid to the disabled - not necessarily 100% free but at least made affordable. I can just about afford one (I think!) but I need something that's budget priced and DOESN'T need an online subscription to work. Anyone know of something?

They're crooks!

@@ep1929 If I'm not expecting visitors, I ignore anyone who knocks on my door. Considering the creeps and worse who are walking the streets these days, I think that makes sense.

Oh that's nice Jon, A lovely Red Heart to go with the Red letter . 😂

I have 2 indoor paper bins to save on my increasingly failing legs. One in the kitchen, one right next to the front door. Saves time. My son calls once a fortnight to empty them into the outside recycling bin and wheel it out. Just as well I have a son - neither the council or any other 'caring' body seem to give a bwgger.

@@ravingnutter1698 Valentines card; need to check the box more often or maybe it got lost in the post.

@@jackwaycombe If you have mobility issues, your local council or Housing association or the bin collection service itself can arrange for you to have an 'Assisted Pickup'. This means they will collect your bin from anywhere on the street side of your home. It's not ideal but it might help you out.

​@@Thurgosh_OGfolks like you give out some helpful info to many people😁. Thankyou for the effort👍

They can't take you to court with your name 😅

It was a rhetorical question @@MikeEves

@@TrevsTravelsByNarrowboat I know 😊

Or for watching their competitors. I drove a Tesla and don't pay Mercedes because Gottlieb Daimler invented the motor car.

​@@drjamespotter Especially as the BBC didn't invent broadcast TV either - just got early insider options on a monopoly.

Charge? You only pay if you want to. I don't, so I don't pay.

And how can they possibly prove you're watching live TV beamed from the other side of the world? TV Mongolia is one of my favourites.

It's a tax just so happens BBC get the hand out 😊

I should be investigated as I live near a reservoir and don't own a fishing licence.

@@drjamespotter 🤣absolutely, you could have a fishing rod and bait in the shed but it doesn't mean you're going to that reservoir 🤫

Crapitas operates exactly that system. But then so does your local council. Pay in advance for services you either don't need or actually don't even receive.

It isn't harassment under the Laws of England and Wales, no idea about Scotland.

I watch what I like, BBC or not. I don't contract with the BBC for that, no licence for years. Buying a licence would cause me to act as pseudo trustee - big mistake, I'll remain the beneficiary.

All courtesy of the Tory government.

There is - the Laws of England and Wales, but they have to break the Law first.

I agree they are scummy letters, but there is no way you can get a prosecution. If you think you can then you should make a video of it.

The Police, the IOPC, Trading Standards, OFCOM, Action Fraud etc etc, will ignore you or back the BBC. Ignoring the BBC and their meaningless gibberish letters is the only policy. Trust me, they can to jack. They are impotent

@@gmo4250 You can't. However, I used a police website to report each one. I put the reference number on the letter. You need to name the harrasser and she's the head of revenue collection at the beeb. When I had five, I sent a cease and desist letter to the BBC, ordering them to remove my address under the right to be forgotten. There's a video online with a goon using the argument, if you let me in to see, we can remove your address. Town Police Clauses Act 1847 Section 28 is also useful. I chucked that into, along with the withdrawal of implied right of access. Sent to the BBC, and Capita were copied in to as the BBC's agents. End result, not a single letter.

Has anyone actually taken the Bbc to court for harassment or anything else.

@@KevandPerry2 There have been prosecutions against TVL for mistakes that Capita have made. For example harassment of individuals over unpaid licence fees for deceased relatives. Unless someone knows, I don't think they have ever been prosecuted because of the standard letters.

@markpayne2362, you are so polite and patient!🥰 Me on ring doorbell :- "Who are you?" TVL:- " We're TV license Enforcers" Me:- Enforce my middle finger!" LOL.

I always remove anything with personal details on it, and shred it. ID theft is one of the biggest forms of crime these days.

@@englishciderlover7347 They have been investigating me for years, and still don't know my name

@suzie. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It’s Stockholm syndrome

Yep, many pay it even though there is no obligation to. They want to pay it.

It’s why they’re outsourced to the scumbag merchants Crapita

Usually sole traders

I do feel for them (except the aggressive ones). Must be desperate to apply for a job like that. Door to door salesman at their age. What had they been doing before this sad life? The yellow duster sales lads have more credibility.

Apparently, they pay TVL about £2-3 hundred million. Thats would leave them a bit short on the £3.7billion they get each year.

I'm in Suffolk I've never seen one and haven't had a licence for probably best part of 5 years.

We should all ask BlackBeltBarrister than question, he should have a good idea, if it can be done.

Just tell 'em you are the illegal occupier!

Cancelled loicence approx 7 years back. Bloke on phone was great tbf. He said to simply ignore any mail. I have kept them all( about 40)and just need another 6 or seven to finish off wall papering the outside lavvy.

What is offered for the viewing of BBC channels outside iPlayer? Is it a set top box of some sort? To clarify your vague statement, is it a set top box, a box that plugs directly in to the TV or is it a branded TV package that includes BBC channels as part of the cost? It is important to be accurate and not mislead us all. If you are referring to a Internet customer having access to BBCi player and others - everyone has this at no extra cost in the UK, as part of the package. The BBC refuses to block iPlayer to people that will not enter their licence number, but don't be caught out on Televisions connected to the Internet if you are asked to "sign-in" or "sign-up" to services and have to put your post code, house number and name for example.

Pay your licence fee - or they won't love you anymore. 😂😂😂😂

@@jackwaycombe Since Saville, paying is not an option, I know the type of demon they shelter and feed.

You do not need a license to own a television,

They can't even do that if you close the door immediately.

You can ten tvs in each room, you don’t need a licence

@@leecromer3289 May be so. But point was. letting them know you don't need a TV licence. Doesn't stop them from knocking. But they can keep on knocking. But they can't come in

That is not true. Don't tell me, your friend's neighbour's mother's best friend told you - another urban legend!

Its nothing to with your god and everything to do with Chilli's efforts to inform the British public

Off topic, I know. But I do wonder how far that applies to so many 'charities' too...

@@jackwaycombe some charities are terrible when it comes to just how much they waste on everything apart from supporting the actual beneficiaries of the charity

None of it is my money 😅

@@MikeEves sadly I have a wife who demands the ability to watch her beloved F1 live, and until there is another way of doing so, we are stuck paying the licence fee. The annoying part is that she doesn't watch any of it on the BBC, so they get the money, for her to watch it elsewhere!!

Don't know how reliable, but I've seen media reports of Crapitas earning from 20 to 60 million a year from the BBC. That's a shedload of licence payers' money before they've watched a minute of TV...

Spot on. That's how scammers work. Agree to one thing and your more likely to agree to the next (letting goons into your house).

My son had a similar experience with a flat he rented from a commercial agency in what had been a large house. The original owner still received regular demands for a TV licence, despite the fact he'd been dead for a decade!

Yeah. Got plenty of the same letters over the years,

I,m 3 years into no license and 10 months ago they finally gave up sending me the monthly letters, oh I do miss um 😩😩😩😩😩😩

@@bryangreen9672 don't worry, I'm sure their is just a glitch in their computer and you'll be getting those letters again soon enough, wasting paper killing trees, like with the banks endless letters for loans. They should be locked up for killing those trees alone.

Think of all that wonderful woke content you are missing out on, maybe have a rethink?

Same boat. But is not my name just ‘occupier’ after I canceled. I kinda want them to show up to.

The letters go in a cycle, I have more than 100. It's gibberish, all of them