This video is very nuanced

This is the best "pick your class" video I've seen so far, exactly what I was looking for! The others didn't really explain the specific strenghts, weaknesses and roles of classes in pvp respectively, not to mention the impact of shamans/paladins. Good job man!

This video is easy to learn, hard to master.

You produce some of the best Classic PvP content out there. MOAR PLEASE!

You just picked yourself up another subscriber buddy, thank you for detailing the pvp scene more then simple 1v1's and rock-paper-scisors anecdotes like nobody else has =)

absolutely brilliant summary - thank you for TOP quality content like this

Wonderful content. Thorough, covered all bases, knowledgeable, no frills. Well earned sub!

Now THIS is the content I like to see.

Rock, Paper, Scissors, Shadow Priest.

I've already decided I'm going to roll a druid as my main and a lock as my alt, but this is exactly what I thought about the classes for PVP. This video is a must. Thank you!

Awesome videos, wish it was longer. Especially talking about the different offensive vs defensive roles of paladins vs shamans.

You. In the first 30 seconds explained exactly why this video was needed. EVERYONE is focusing on raiding in classic and barely ever spends more than 30 seconds discussing the PvP abilities of the classes/races. Thanks a ton!

Really informative and well researched content. Subbed please keep this kind of content coming!

Great video I'm surprised you only have 3k subs. Keep up the good work my dude, you could easily get over 50k

Solid video man you summed up every class perfectly

amazing video. you managed to stay very objective which is important because people will get easily defensive about their favourite classes. well done!

You're right in that most Vanilla content on youtube right now is PvE focused. This is a breath of fresh air. It's not JUST BG focused, but has a macro-sense to it, in that PvP in vanilla was as much world content as it was BGs. Subbed, and looking forward to more content.

It really is a testament to how great class design was back then when I want to play nearly every class

I appreciate the time you spent creating this video. Subscribed for quality content keep doin ya thing.

Great video, to the point and literally no "bs" as the title suggest! Awesome stuff!

The battlefield have changed dramatically since vanilla - back then healers were very rare, until players saw the potential and impact of their contribution. Today healers have become normalized, to the point every dps expects you to heal them. But back then you were praised and glorified. players whispered "thx for the heals m8" constantly, put on friends lists and was constantly scouted to join premades, even for PvE. Everyone should try dps, but once you give healing a try, and instantly notice how the win ratio increases - as a dps, your contribution is almost insignificant, you play for yourself, as healer you play for the team!

I'm glad you put Drakedog in the video. He was such a huge influence for many warlock players, especially for a class where many in PvP could hardly 1v1

This video is still helpful in 2021. Really good video, good context without being too much info.

nice video, only thing I could think that would make it better would give a summary of each classes iconic spell with a tooltip definition breakdown for new players that might be watching. Things like Mortal Strike, Vipersting/AimedShot, Mana burn, fear/fearward. These would all be things that might give a new player a basic understanding of how the meta might work and would be a stepping stone for your channel of making more follow up videos for each class.

Man best class choosing guide ive seen so far, not just ''The class is amazing, its so insane blablabla'' just concrete facts, thanks

Thanks for the overview. I am not a good PvP player. I gank for the Horde side in the war. My goal is always to slow the enemy advancement or slow his alt creation. I’d be near worthless in endgame or Raid; not my role. I play on PvP because it adds a live element that makes the game fun, spontaneous, unexpected. When I meet a truly great opponent, one that can even slay me at five or ten levels below my character, I enjoy the majesty. Some of you are brilliant.

Very informative simple but also in depth video.

now that's the content i was desperatly searching for, might check this out again once or twice before the release.

Ah, i remember the rock, scissors, paper analogy from the old video ‘How to Rogue.’ Rogue is scissors Priest, mage, warlock, hunter, druid, shaman, and paladin are paper. Warrior is rock, but rock can’t find scissors...

Classes fullfilled different roles with different strengths and weaknesses? I'm already in tears

Great video, first PvP vid I’ve seen. I feel like you left out a few details where you could have gone deeper into detail but the. You would have had a 25+ minute video. Overall helpful and intuitive. Also the explanation in the beginning viable/optimal was perfect.

Thank you for this I had forgotten SO MUCH of this!

Would be cool if you made a similar guide talking about the two factions. The various pros and cons, and which faction to go for when it comes to PvP.

Rank 12 ele-resto shaman here, agree almost every word in the video, nicely done.

i'm watching a lot of classic videos, but this has to be one of my favorites

Great video. Very informative but to the point. Thanks for this!

As much as I'd love to revisit classic.. i do not have anywhere near the amount of time required to grind feral gear.

I think them main thing we all learned here is that room need re painting.

Great concise content mate, subbed 👍

Good video! This makes me feel good about already deciding to main a paladin.

You said at the end that you'd rather have a paladin in WSG and shamans in AB, but isn't it completely opposite? Most people I talk to say that horde has advantage in WSG because of shaman dispells on FC, but ally wins in BS fights because of un'ccable paladins?

The most debatable race choices are: *Orc vs Undead Rogue, Orc vs Undead Warlock,* and *Nelf vs Dwarf Hunter.* I believe Orc is slightly superior to Undead in most situations but I showed Undead because its also viable and more visually aesthetic. As for Alliance Hunter, Dwarf is clearly better against Rogues and arguably better against Warriors, but after consulting with some experienced Hunters I trust, they felt Nelf was the best all-around option due to the overall synergy Shadowmeld has with the Hunter class. Also please note that many classes have multiple viable specs as well as specs designed specifically for premading or dueling. I just showed what I feel are the best specs for *all-around PvP.* A point here and a point there can always be swapped based on your gear & personal playstyle.

This is a fantastic guide, the one thing I wish Ohgee mentioned explicitly would be how much more difficult it is to heal on shamans and paladins, during this era of wow, in comparison to Priests and to a lesser extent druids. With eng. stuff it’s a tough time to cast and it’s all they can do

Very good guide, no BS as stated. Need more people like you, less people lazily posting a rambling stream vid paying lip service to donors half the vid. A+++ Earned one of my few subs

BEST FKING CLASSIC PVP VIDEO OUT THERE

>Most classes are soft countered by Hunter >And that's all right.

It's ages ago since i last saw Pat pvp! i loved him back then! :D

Bloody cracking video my friend.

Druid + warrior duo PVP is insane

Optimal or not im still going enhancement. Nice video!

Ah man, loved your first Classic stream last night. Pretty sure I'm your first sub ever while broadcasting Classic gameplay, lol ohhh yes /flex. Plus I'm from Mass, so I gotta show some love to you.

This man said he was gonna make a video describing each class's role in PvP, as well as their strengths and weaknesses, and I'll be damn if he didn't do just that. Perfection pal, thank you. 10/10

You got the message guys, hunter is the way to go of course ! No worries for the help Ohhgee

Hunting rogues with the hunter was always fun. When I still played. Like 15 years ago or so :-)

Can you make a video going over gear sets for these specs? Extreme detail wouldn't be required, just a quick monologue for each like this video would be amazing. I think a video on trinkets would also be really cool.

You are one of the only of today's youtubers, who actually still breaths between words. Thank you for this.

Everyday Im more confused about what to role :(

cheers for letting us know you couldnt play on wednesday

Great insight. Subbed.

I still have fond memories of acquiring Lieutenant General whilst joining premades with a friend who (finally) achieved High Warlord after countless weeks and months of no-sleep and constant battlegrounds - yes, even the AV's and WSG's that went on for days on end. He did so as a 2H Enhance Shaman, which basically involved windfury procs blowing everything up so long as you gave him the opportunity to do so (which I did as a Rogue, CC'ing prime targets or preventing kiting so he could get in there and wreck faces). Good times. I can't see myself reliving yester-year again, but if I did I'd definitely go either Priest or Shaman due to being able to flit between DPS or Healing, rather than a class like Rogue (my original main) which can only ever do one role, even if they were great for PvP'ing.

That warrior 1shots people but he is clicking enrage and battleshout .. so good

Everytime I tried Enhancement on my t2.5 Shaman just for one weekend I'd get pissed at the whole unreliable process of waiting for those windfury procs and would spec back into Elemental in just a few games of WSG. And yes, would have to get back into Resto in just two days for raiding.

finally some classic pvp related content on youtube altho i'm a BC player... great video! :)

this guide is amaaaazing. thanks man.

I'm curious about Ele Sham gearing. From what I've picked up over the years, they don't really start to get their "oomf" until AQ. What's your take on this?

As always, the only reliable pvp classic channel there is. its like listening to a spot commentator who played the sport vs a fan.

Nice video man could be possible to see a dueling tutorial for mages vs everyclass or something

This is like watching one of those 90's school educational shows back in Elementary. I love it. lol

Hunters were by far the best class for PVP. I was endgame tier 3/field marshal mixed gear. Had Larvae of the great worm from Ouro as a Dwarf this made sense for the 1% crit. Also had Ashjre'thul as well if i got bored. I had 6K HP and was almost a tank in PVP. Rogues blowing all cooldowns or Warriors with extreme gear were the only problems 1v1. In a world PVP or battleground environment I demolished everything. Even one shotting some badly geared clothies. PVE DPS was good up until BWL but hunters sustained DPS doesn't scale as well as mages and rogues. By Naxx you were struggling to keep up with most classes.

Rock/paper/scissors Lord here come the roguecraft flashbacks

I was also rank 14. Great video!

+1 Respect. Great Video man

10/10 ofc

HoTW + NS for druid is the way I would do it.

You are the man,very good no bullshit video.

Great content!

Id argue 21/30/0 is better as a hunter, but oh well, guess it depends on offense vs defence. Edit: I guess 21/27/3 would be more optimal for strictly pvp.

First I want to say this video is very on point, with very key data. If you are not sure what to roll for PvP, for general PvP, go with Hunter; easier to play, Number one rule, keep your max distance. This is how you can fairly easily beat melee classes, MAX is the secret, use your CC to create distance, as you won't be able to attack while moving, so wait until you are at max distance before attacking. Melee has to constantly try to reach you. If you don't constantly max distance they will reach you and melee can do massive damage. You should keep, at least 30 yards away from casters to avoid their CC. You can later play other classes, as you see fit, For example those that give you trouble. To find their weaknesses. You can also go with specialist, like warriors for group BG pvp. Rogue for dueling, druid for WPVP, priest for group healer etc...

Damn ! Such a pro video ! I would like to ask one thing : I am hesitating on my choice of healer. I mainly aim to go pvp premade when classic goes off, but never tested this kind of pvp. The priest being a CC magnet can be kinda bad for raw healing ? Or are my teammates supposed to protect me effectively ? This is the reason I consider playing drood, but I want to be really optimal on every side ^^ I am also afraid to be bored by the paladin in the end (already tried, didn't find any interest) Thank you for reading :) (surry four bad inglish)

Hi, I used to play feral druid and heal druid in vanilla. I had a lot of fun but yeah, was hard until geared. I'm hesitating to get back to it or try something new. Any advice? Cheers!

Finally a class guide where the creator actually knows what he's talking about. More of these please!

Ahhh back when Different classes brought different things to the table. Not saying the current wow doesn't have the same thing. Its just a far less impact; Blizzard made it a point to homogenize common abilities so certain classes wouldn't feel left out. I enjoyed classes where you actually had to put some effort into understanding them in order to be useful.

@Ohhgee Haptix Gaming yo! What would you recommend to those who will start playing solo but want to have a good spot on premades? Can you make a "ranking" of specs for premades?

this was a dope video. subbed

You should talk about good combinations for friends grouping together. I was thinking of rolling Priest or Paladin and have a friend play a Warlock or Warrior.

How come you dont mention the elemental mage spec? Its a way of playing mage that's unique to classic.

hey og, you mentioned SM ruin a little in the warlock section, but can you give a little more detail on how it stacks up against nightfall/conflag? Is it comparable or does it fall pretty short? I'm asking cause I heard the conflag build is kinda trash when it comes to raiding and I wouldn't want to be changing between specs all the time for bgs

I'm interested in mostly world PvP (bgs aren't even up at launch in classic if I'm correct), and I'd like a class that's useful even with the gear I'd get from leveling and doing dungeons. Should I play a rogue? Like it should be decent since you can stunlock people for 10 seconds in 1v1s, blind, sap, stunlock again... reset cds and repeat if needed. And with evis base damage you should be able to kill even geared dps when you get the opener? And should I run swords or daggers? Is backstab worth it even without a ton of crit? Or should I just go for swords and hemo before like full MC gear? Also, I know there will be loads of rogues so it will be kinda rough to gear up. Especially since I may not be playing classic full time after hitting 60, but as a side activity when all of the retail weekly stuff is done, or when my arena partners aren't online. Do you think I could get into MC raids as a pug by abusing the fact that my girlfriend will be playing a priest, and trying to get my scuffed undead ass into any raid she can? Does anyone know if the fabled vanilla priest is indeed as powerful as in the tales I have been told? Are they actually that desired, they can get groups to take int a badly geared pvp rogue just to get the priest? Could they even bargain to secure something like... tier pieces or core hound teeth for their mate..? :)

Shadowpriest and Rogue were the most broken ones in PvP also both classes don´t need insane gear to be op

The stigma for meme specs will never go away, since they're mostly observed or reported on by people who have never played them extensively. There are also those who think meme specs are better than they really are due to overgearing on fun servers or broken private server mechanics. Enhance is a really good spec to learn your totems, not because you're autoattacking for most of your damage, but because your totems are what keep you on your target. Grounding/tremor are the two that instantly come to mind. When you're ranged and can use thicc lightning and frost shocks to keep a distance, you're only ever using totems when they're needed. A perfect example would be tremor totem. If a priest is running at you as ele, you know exactly what's going to happen. If you run up on a priest as enh you have to make sure your tremor is down at all times. I don't have many hours put into shaman compared to other classes, but this is just my observation from playing on Retro and LH for the past few years. As for ret paladin. There's a lot of different ways you can go about DPS paladin specs, some of which literally require 0 ret talents. When you play "ret" you tend to still play like a paladin, abuse LoS, spam cleanse/heals between swing timers, abuse mana efficiency, abuse rogues, etc. A good 50% of your damage as a memeadin is assisting other players where they fall short and adding what ever damage build you're using on top of that ( Reckoning/ShockCommand/ProccWhore ). Examples would be like freedoming a warrior, spamming cleanse on yourself, and tag teaming a mage. This is definitely the simplest trick in the book, but it's just an example. Though what Ohhgee said about experienced players abusing your shortcomings is ENTIRELY TRUE. At times you will wait a whole fight hoping that someone uses something wrong, i.e. blink, and be able to switch it around and use it to your advantage. Without reckoning, consumes, or full gadgets (engi, imp doom, etc) you will not survive most 1v1s against experienced players UNLESS you know their spec/class better than they know paladin. The only way you can really be the most effective ret/enh on your server is to know all the other classes better than everyone else, or at least at the same knowledge cap as everyone else. If you know how to play your opponent's class, better or not, you'll know when and where you need to use something. TLDR: if you play retri like you play a warrior you will think its a lot worst than it really is. sacrifice also isn't a cooldown, you big mage noob.

Great video dude !

Love the videos Og

Played warrior for 5000+ Houers ... going stay warrior :)

On the subject of ret paladins I do feel you were rather unfair. Assuming you are talking about WSG premades since thats by far the best way to rank up on any private realm, at least for most of the servers lifespan untill the AV changes kick in and its made much faster. While I agree that build for build most teams would prefer a holy paladin over a ret paladin very often your 10man team will already have a resto/feral druid and a holy/prot paladin running the flag, and either a priest or another holy paladin mid field. There is such a thing as to many healers on a team, Its very possible to build a good premade around having any number of ret paladins assuming they are well geared, so to say its not viable is just wrong. The last two teams I played with, both had a ret pala who reached rr14, having a dps who is immune to burst damage and can dispell and cast bop and bof is very useful. 1v1 outside of premades they can be kited but that's far harder to do in WSG, his team mates are simply not going to let you.

Would you suggest using an MMO mouse (ones with 12 side buttons) for pvp? or do most pvpers use typical peripherals?

great pvp classic video here. i only played destro warlock in vanilla but your talent tree is good. personally i would not go so deep into affliction and i'd pick up some demonology, but reach dots and amplify curse are pretty sweet. for leveling as a lock if anyone is wondering you want 5-8-11 asap for instant corruption, void walker improvement and shadow burn. respec how you prefer to get there but gold for respec is very limited in vanilla wow since it is so expensive. improved drain soul is also not to be ignored for reducing down times and i'd go with healstones over fel stamina cause spirit actually matters in vanilla. unfortunately vanilla sound effects for sburn are not as they are in the newer expansions but what are you going to do? maybe they will accidentally change this in classic. i do love the sburn sounds both the ones from cata and the newer one are pretty sweet but ya vanilla has no sound or a delayed shittier one due to the limited sound channels in vanilla (which also might be changed in classic hopefully)

Every class is good but every class is hard to master at the same time.

the real king of 1v1 is soul link warlock... once u get geared with soul link warlock then ur beating anything if u know how to play...

Could you please please please PLEASE! Make a no bs picking your pvp race guide? I remember in vanilla wow being a human priest and being so damn jealous about dwarfs priest! P. S. I wasn't to excited for classic wow but your videos help me recognize what I crave the most from wow!

Very nice streamlined information.