OHKO Moves In Competitive Pokemon

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Today we explore a few times OHKO moves were used/ viable in Competitive Pokemon!
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@jwanie366 Жыл бұрын

8:41 happy to play a part in this video. I wish I recorded that crucial match but I didn't have the proper equipment; plus I didn't know at the time that I would actually make Top Cut of that Regional lol. Thanks for reaching out to me about it!

@MoxieBoosted Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info!!

@N12015 Жыл бұрын

@@MoxieBoosted And being the worst thing ever apparently.

@jonwoods4590 2 ай бұрын

fun fact i lost 2 pokémon to a guillotine smeargle in my first vgc battle ever… truly a warm welcome to regulation f🥲🥲

@slackermaru4045 Жыл бұрын

Ting-Lu has the math on his side because of the Fissure Stomping Tantrum combo. If you miss the Fissure your Stomping Tantrum doubles in power during the next turn, so you're effectivly not losing damage in situations where you'd just chip away with Stomping Tantrum anyways.

@tdawgmaster1729 Жыл бұрын

Stomping Tantrum only gets the boost if the "But it failed!" message appears

@BladeRabbit Жыл бұрын

@@tdawgmaster1729 Stomping Tantrum is a damage dealing move. If, on the previous turn, the user's last move missed, failed to affect each of its targets, or was prevented from being used due to an effect such as paralysis, Stomping Tantrum's power is doubled from 75 to 150.

@Azun_Kurone Жыл бұрын

This is hilarious

@deviousdieselmusic Жыл бұрын

Wait is this true?

@Mercator129 Жыл бұрын

@@BladeRabbitthis is not the case. look it up

@cron1807 9 ай бұрын

Congrats on your bold prediction. Ting Lu often runs fissure because it has nothing else it needs for slot 4

@clayxros576 Ай бұрын

Moxie calling the shots like that one dude did with Jace the Mind Sculptor

@C00LB0B77 4 сағат бұрын

Really it’s just a kill every other turn AT WORST, and on a Pokémon who was always a 2-3 hit ko so usually they could do whatever they wanted, then, we saw articuno arise

@ThatPurpleGem 9 ай бұрын

He called fissure ting-lu sheeeeesh

@ZeBanded Жыл бұрын

The most recent and ridiculous example comes from Knoxville regional, where Jon Hu ran a quick claw fissure torkoal, along with unconventional pokemon lime ceruledge and jumpluff. The man managed a flawless day 1 swiss record, and even landed a quick claw overheat to instakill an opposing great tusk on stream

@Pablo360able Жыл бұрын

lime ceruldege? is that the counterpart to lemon armorouge?

@jessehunter362 Жыл бұрын

@@Pablo360able yeah pokemon lime and pokemon lemon

@klodpraisor Жыл бұрын

@@jessehunter362 pokemon grapefruit when

@jessehunter362 Жыл бұрын

@@klodpraisor i want pokemon tangerine myself!

@majintv24 9 ай бұрын

God i hate quick claw

@aydeniswise4081 8 ай бұрын

Ting-lu ended up being pretty true lol

@munchrai6396 Жыл бұрын

While the effectiveness of the strategy is debatable, the ability to fix an OKHO's accuracy with Mind Reader/Lock-On is also quite rare and only ever possible from 3 Pokemon: Smeargle, Articuno and gen 7 Poliwrath. Poliwrath is an especially interesting case because it has access to both Hypnosis and Focus Punch to punish Pokemon looking to switch out of the accuracy lock. Sadly, Mind Reader has been removed from Articuno's movepool in gen 9, which sucks because that's the only thing the Pokemon has ever been good at after gen 1

@loftilywrongly3483 Жыл бұрын

Articuno has a tiny niche in gen 3 Smogon singles because of heal bell, though I don't think it's ever used in serious teams. It used to be able to run a rest + sleep talk pressure stall set, and I think it was used on old superman teams, but that's not very effective anymore because of the 2015 discovery of gen 3 sleep talk mechanics.

@iss2075 Жыл бұрын

Poliwrath could do that in Gen II as well. At least there was one in Pokemon Stadium 2 which had that combo. But I guess VGC didn't exist back then.

@shupasopni 8 ай бұрын

gf: *Fuck this one bird in particular*

@solidzack Ай бұрын

@@iss2075yes, Fissure was a TM in Gen 1,so you could teach it to Poliwrath, then trade it over to gen 2 and teach it Mind Reader via level up

@fuller1883 Жыл бұрын

mind reader sheer cold articuno is what i ran as a kid back in 2008 cheesed every ai and even fooled my friends for the longest time until they caught on

@Altered999 Жыл бұрын

OHKO moves are hilarious in nature. They’re generally so bad due to the low accuracy, but the few Pokémon that can make them work do so marvelously. In closed team sheets, they can also be entirely unexpected, creating moments of hype and laughter if they land.

@Alpha-zb8sp 5 ай бұрын

But I hate losing to chanse

@phantomblizzard7756 5 ай бұрын

@@Alpha-zb8sp Then pokemon is the wrong game for you

@VixstraLarge 2 ай бұрын

@@Alpha-zb8sp How does one lose to a Chansey in this day and age?

@ohhi687itsme8 8 ай бұрын

14:05 well, yes. fissure ting-lu was everywhere

@Newhubb Жыл бұрын

Hey really interesting video! Just one note, OHKO moves will only be 130 base power when they become G-Max moves.

@Warlord1o4 Жыл бұрын

I love how stupid 1hko moves are lol. In high school we did 6 v 6 battles at lunch back in x and y days. One of my friends got 3 sheer colds off on someone not at our table. The guy stormed over pissed! Great pokemon moment lol.

@sparky6757 Жыл бұрын

I once landed five in a row, that was the last time my friend ever did a Pokémon battle with me until gen 8

@hands-ongaming7180 4 ай бұрын

@@sparky6757😂

@sealeo5772 Жыл бұрын

It's not exactly VGC, but ohko moves were a pretty big deal in the gen 1 competitive formats that Nintendo ran in the 90s.due to gen 1 reasons. Everything was more bulky due to the stat experience system, most of the pokemon had nothing better in their movepools, double team was good and everyone was a Japanese child with a gameboy in the 90s who didn't really know the game mechanics. Oh, and in Japanese red and green, Blizzard has 90 accuracy and a 30% chance to freeze, effectively making it an ohko move that is still a 120 base power ice move if it misses.

@solidzack Ай бұрын

Didn't Accuracy and Evasion affect OHKO moves in Gen. 1 or was it only Speed?

@matt4200 2 ай бұрын

Omg the Ting Lu predict

@plant8732 Жыл бұрын

Any fellow tingheads here

@sm_billy Жыл бұрын

I am a ting head

@phagecg6149 Жыл бұрын

im a tingler

@Andrew-le8xu Жыл бұрын

Building a team around him right now, love ting head

@gideonlosee 8 ай бұрын

14:06 THE PREDICTION

@thefinalskarm1754 Жыл бұрын

Can confirm my ting-lu hit 4 fissures (across 2 games, 2 each) and then because Arceus said I was having too much fun, smited me 200 rating.

@SpectreXS Жыл бұрын

I never knew that the event gen 4 suicune had Sheer Cold as an exclusive move! Another event-only oddity from these days that makes running the event mon itself - shiny with cherish ball in this case - optimal, even if you're not running sheer cold itself. All 4 moves from this event suicune were event-only as well, lol. Also one of the infinite reasons to use save editors.

@MacZephyrZ Жыл бұрын

It was nature locked as relaxed, so if you wanted a different nature you couldn't use the event one.

@MouldMadeMind 7 ай бұрын

@@MacZephyrZ well you can change the effects of nature.

@MacZephyrZ 7 ай бұрын

There weren't nature mints back then. I don't think they were introduced until Gen 8.

@AceAviations2 6 ай бұрын

It was the worst of the three event Shiny Legendary Beasts, that is why you'd forget about it. Entei EASILY got it the best with an Adamant Nature (the ONLY better nature would be Jolly) AND BOTH Extreme Speed and Flare Blitz. The other two moves were trash, however you could slot in Stone Edge and ether Iron Head or Sacred Fire starting in Gen6. Give it a Choice Band and you have a pretty powerful threat in the lower tiers of Smogon, though I've found that Rockium Z can be used to decent effect to mitigate the risk of Stone Miss, well missing. Raikou got Aura Sphere, however it was locked to a Rash Nature (+Special Attack, -Special Defense), not Timid or Modest, and the other three moves were trash for it. You were better off using a Raikou without Aura Sphere for the flexible nature, however there is a 7th Gen set on Smogon that uses the Aura Sphere event in combination with the Fighting type Z-Crystal to deal with the rock types of RU. Suicune on the other hand got locked into a crappy nature for it (Relaxed, +Defense, -Speed) and only had one truly good move for it, Aqua Ring, which doesn't compare to Aura Sphere. OHKO moves are banned by Smogon (which I 100% agree with, unlike the complete Baton Pass ban*), so that move is unusable. Given that event mons are often banned (even if they're not Mythical) there is no place that you can use it. *I'm not arguing that something had to be done with Baton Pass, but outright banning the move was just too far. Banning it being combined with ways to boost stats and things that can be passed (Mean Look, Ingrain, etc.) would have allowed it to be used as a pivot move that couldn't be countered by Pursuit, removing some healthy counterplay to Pursuit-Trapping in the process.

@TaLeng2023 5 ай бұрын

@@AceAviations2are they able to be traded up to SV while retaining the event moves?

@aSh-pi1in Жыл бұрын

3:30 this is true for VGC and Online Battles, however, OHKO moves start at 30% and Gain a +1% per level, so for them to be guaranteed, you need to have a 70 level difference, also when used by a non Ice Type in gen 7 (idk about 8 and 9), sheer cold accuracy goes from 30% to 20%

@goGothitaLOL 11 ай бұрын

Whose here because of Ting-Lu running Fissure in conjunction with Stomping Tantrum?

@BigTa1k Жыл бұрын

This is FSG levels of quality, peak content.

@LunarWingCloud Жыл бұрын

Love this kind of video, hope you do some more of these VGC retrospectives on interesting strategies, because your experience with VGC content and video styling reminding me of False Swipe Gaming or PokeaimMD make a great combination

@maxspecs Жыл бұрын

30% of the time, it works 100% of the time.

@uselessneon9042 8 ай бұрын

Only if its used against you. If youre the one using it, you will never hit

@FTW1230 8 ай бұрын

If it’s not 100% it’s 50% and if it’s 30% it’s 100% against you

@shadowwolffe5799 Ай бұрын

that Ting-Lu guess aged brilliantly lmao

@emilyrakov2340 Жыл бұрын

This video is great! But unfortunately some of the background footage introduced me (who hasn't kept up with the latest gens) to Gholdengo, who will sadly haunt my dreams. Not your fault... keep up the good work!

@MoxieBoosted Жыл бұрын

Lmao my apologies

@doopness785 Жыл бұрын

Most of the time OHKO moves are not worth the move slot. But there are times went it’s literally the best option like with Seaking.

@willstewart3391 26 күн бұрын

HE DID NOT PREDICT FISSURE TING-LU

@shinyhisuianzorua7828 Жыл бұрын

Fissure dozo boutta go crazy

@venomgaming7014 2 ай бұрын

Kartana is the ultimate glass cannon…with too much cannon and not enough glass. Attack stat higher than MEGA RAYQUAZA and SCARILY physically bulky. Now, it’s HP and Special Defence are pitiful, but those don’t matter when you one shot with stab leaf blade. And even off SWORDS DANCE.

@ClockworkMango Жыл бұрын

Why go for the double protect when you can just OHKO?

@pokatana4130 Жыл бұрын

Me in the current future: why must you mention fissure ting-lu :')

@ericksapinho Жыл бұрын

Just discovered your channel, I love the editing style!

@dk2157 Жыл бұрын

Wooo!!! Awesome vid mox

@Duffy_SSBM Жыл бұрын

Good video and where is that art of Ampharos and Jasmine podcasting from at 3:09? I love it!

@ismailb4334 Ай бұрын

Ting Lu predict is wild

@randaljr.8581 Жыл бұрын

well explained, thanks! =)

@CaboPoco Жыл бұрын

Great video! Commenting for the algorithm!

@HaroldTheReturn Жыл бұрын

could you do a video discussing tera shard farming and how it's miserable?

@GeeksVTW Жыл бұрын

I spent two hours trying a boosting accuracy team that I came up with that uses Fissure just to realize later that all that work to build accuracy (Coil + Gravity + Wide Lens) didn’t matter 🤡

@scp-phenomenon014 8 ай бұрын

Depression 😔

@ironmuro 7 ай бұрын

4:45 hehe, yeah I remember that Shiny Suicuine from the event. I did the exact same thing with it when I saw it had Sheer Cold.

@WallBush Жыл бұрын

The ghost of G-max Grimmsnarl continues to haunt us

@oogerboogerbugelboy Жыл бұрын

I ran a sheer cold swift swim Beartic on my rain team that got a lot of elo on showdown

@frankyquilavafireblast895 Жыл бұрын

I never thought that they would actually be relevant let alone allowed because I figured it be unsportsmanlike Bahay rolling, dice fun times!

@Heartache2491 Ай бұрын

And in 2024, Articuno won a major partially because of Sheer Cold

@slabofbeef8065 2 ай бұрын

sheer cold articuno got me returning

@Connor_Kirkpatrick 9 күн бұрын

Articuno was taking notes

@chaosn4197 Жыл бұрын

Too bad you didn't invite the best OHKO moves player in the world for an interview (Verlisify)

@MoxieBoosted Жыл бұрын

Lol

@augstradus Жыл бұрын

Is there a possibility to release the thumbnail for wallpaper purposes? Really love the art

@TheREALPlasma_101 Жыл бұрын

“A brief history”

@MoxieBoosted Жыл бұрын

Ye it's like 15 minutes

@papidael1662 Жыл бұрын

Waiting for machamp in scarlet and violet so I can run a fissure set

@nudelsuppe2090 8 ай бұрын

9:10 that edu cunha

@tysondennis1016 8 ай бұрын

OHKO moves are pure hilarity. They're so inaccurate, they're not even worth using when they're allowed. Unless you can make them work/the opponent writes an anime villain speech afterwards.

@yungerrr Ай бұрын

Holy shit those chairs and desks are overpriced

@reallypointy6495 13 күн бұрын

NOT THE TING LU PREDICTION

@ihavecrabs56 Жыл бұрын

do u have a video on the history of accuracy and evasion in vgc?

@samuelcornwell3949 5 ай бұрын

Fissure Ting Lu stole my car, wife, and sanity

@itzorangesteve2853 Жыл бұрын

I can't explain it but you sound like Tim from Tim and Moby in this video

@MoxieBoosted Жыл бұрын

Fun fact that's the main character from That 70s Show

@RatedMforMeenie 27 күн бұрын

The user doesn't have to have no guard, just one of the active pokemon so. So an ohkoer pair with a Machamp could get the job done

@MoxieBoosted 26 күн бұрын

That's not how it works

@Fancy_Lebowski 5 сағат бұрын

My Gen 9 Smeargle set was Spore, Lock-On, Sheer Cold and Parting Shot, lmao, Sheer Cold has no immunities unlike the other 3. Total cheese, but how else am I gonna grind with Smeargle? Also, as someone who was there in Gen 1, Fissure was one of the most popular moves on the playground.

@amejade 3 ай бұрын

Ain’t no way you put a 2 and a half minute long ad in the video 💀

@MoxieBoosted 3 ай бұрын

And I time stamped it just for you ❤️❤️

@amejade 3 ай бұрын

@@MoxieBoosted I know I’m just fucking around lol

@ferrucciocaracciuolo8139 Жыл бұрын

If the odds are not 0 then the move will land For your opponent.

@yati426 8 ай бұрын

‏‪4:11I think articuno's stats are misplaced. It's special defense is 125, not it's special attack.

@coyraig8332 Жыл бұрын

So its use came down to only needing to hit one

@Kevin51611 6 ай бұрын

Do OHKO moves bypass protect and detect?

@MoxieBoosted 6 ай бұрын

@Kevin51611 6 ай бұрын

@@MoxieBoosted Thank you.

@loopyleo 4 ай бұрын

Would decreasing a pokemons evasion using hydrapple allow for more consistent OHKO's?

@MoxieBoosted 4 ай бұрын

No, ohkos don't take into account evasion

@loopyleo 4 ай бұрын

@@MoxieBoosted thanks for the tip appreciate it

@senny- Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised they actually see heavy play in VGC. In Singles, they're useless.

@vhadfield 3 ай бұрын

FIsUre TinG lU?

@duckymomo7935 Жыл бұрын

There’s too many Pokémon that are way too bulky

@pickupplay5 Жыл бұрын

It's "Regulation C", Moxie, not "Series 3".

@MoxieBoosted Жыл бұрын

Same thing

@paz8723 Жыл бұрын

Luck Based moves are a staple of pokemon but ridiculous stuff like this is iust too much

@fortello7219 8 ай бұрын

I thought OHKO moves also hit pokémon that had the no guard ability? Regardless if the user had it.

@cesarcastillo7129 Жыл бұрын

3 minute intro 💀

@MoxieBoosted Жыл бұрын

Timestamps were made for a reason 👍

@christopheringram3597 Жыл бұрын

@@MoxieBoosted True but also most people are just going to click off rather than use them either way Openings really important on KZfaq videos for retention. I almost clicked off from how long the ad was where I certainly would have just skipped/sat thru if it was after I had already been invested into the video.

@Dp_Unkemptharold Жыл бұрын

@@christopheringram3597 why should he even waste all his time continuing to make videos for us if you can’t even bother to support him for His time with the ad that’s helping him pay for all the effort he put in?

@christopheringram3597 Жыл бұрын

@@Dp_Unkemptharold he's selling a product lol he doesn't need my sympathy. I watched his video, ad included, I'm just talking from an objective point with how you decide where to place ads. Also weirdo parasocial relationship alert lol

@Dp_Unkemptharold Жыл бұрын

@@christopheringram3597 exactly so if you don’t want to see the add don’t watch