Old Downhill Bike Vs Modern Enduro Bike

Old Downhill Bike Vs Modern Enduro Bike | Same, But Different?

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Today's enduro bikes are getting ever more downhill-orientated, with geometry getting progressively slacker and suspension travel getting longer as each year goes by. This has caused people to start questioning whether an enduro bike of today is more or less just a downhill bike from yesteryear, just with a dropper seatpost and more gears! To see how much truth there is in this argument, Rich and Isaac took a trip to ‪@BikeParkWalesOfficial‬ to see where a modern enduro bike differs from an old downhill bike, but also where they might share some similarities.
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@Badger-Z 10 ай бұрын

Watching Isaac riding downhill and doing tricks has really made me like him alot more, definitely something it would be great to see more of.

@Mtber-leo 10 ай бұрын

Hi gmbn is there a chance you could remake the free ride vs downhill bike with the newer tech now ❤

@royluneta 9 ай бұрын

But why compare the enduro with an old DH bike? should be modern enduo vs modern DH bike, where the real dilema of choosing between the two will really help.

@troyrogers1236 9 ай бұрын

And even older dh

@daveragsdale7970 9 ай бұрын

I use a 2012 Transition bottlerocket with 160mm Marzocchi fork and 150mm Fox at the rear on the local trails. It seems like people are always coming over and asking me questions about it. Its a blast to ride, even with the 26" wheels

@TE_53349 6 ай бұрын

same with my powdercoated nukeproof scalp

@chrisridesbicycles 10 ай бұрын

Isaac was far over the rear end of the bike from the beginning and it looks like the old DH bike only starts to really work if the gradient is at least 20% down. Both bikes seem to have their geometry for completely different reasons and I‘d love to see a deep dive on that with a frame designer.

@mrvwbug4423 9 ай бұрын

Yup, old school geo necessitates the old school hang off the back riding style.

@jakobbeelar 10 ай бұрын

2000 Kona Stab Primo is my beast right now. Feel like everything he's said about older bikes is spot on, especially after starting out on a modern bike.

@feedbackzaloop 10 ай бұрын

Still riding a 2012 26-er with upgraded tyres, cockpit and gears and agree, this is the main factor: sometimes the wheel simply gets jammed by rocks and roots, where 29er would roll over.

@TheBrokenMountainBiker 10 ай бұрын

I knew Isaac would be a good all round rider but no idea the dude could shred like that down a DH track! Fair plays.

@caseydbani1419 10 ай бұрын

Enjoyed Isaac commenting his ride!

@ibh2022 10 ай бұрын

Lets get Isaac and Neil on a head to head on modern DH bikes, I reckon Neil would be in trouble 😮

@greengonzonz 10 ай бұрын

Those goggles... did Isaac loose a bet? 😂

@theandycam6 10 ай бұрын

I've had the chance to ride both but when it comes to rough, tech, banging tracks and trails, nothing beats a downhill rig

@mrvwbug4423 9 ай бұрын

Yeah, on steep tech and big jumps give me the twin crown every time. As long as I don't need to pedal it haha. I finally got a try a DH bike last week and the first surprise was that it was poppier off jumps than my 150 travel bike and of course a lot more stable in the air. And for confidence in steep tech, nothing beats a DH bike.

@theandycam6 9 ай бұрын

@@mrvwbug4423 Glad you enjoyed it so much. The more you ride it the more comfi it gets, even short burst of pedal power become fun in it's own way. I've been on the dh rig for 13 years now, best bike I ever bought, although I'm keen on getting one of these new high tech enduro bikes, they look pretty rad

@ravennexusmh 10 ай бұрын

would be interesting to get some new DH 26 in for good rubber, a dropper and sram NX/GX eagle gears to let you winch up climbs, it would still be a cheap but super capable hardcore trail bike this is basically what i've done to the 2010 trek scratch air i bought for £300, got less then a total of £600 in for a nice desending, nice(ish) climbing 170mm travel front and rear bike

@KosmicHRTRacingTeam 10 ай бұрын

Might even be able to fit a 27” front in there

@daviddiaz4365 10 ай бұрын

i have done the same mate, i bought a specialized enduro expert 2007 with a fox 36 and a fox dhx rc4 rear and i put there a gx drivetrain, new shimano deore brakes and it is a really nice trail bike

@ravennexusmh 9 ай бұрын

@@daviddiaz4365 similar to my 170mm trek air I've not long bought.

@blazandrejcic 9 ай бұрын

i done that to my kona operator 2014. upgraded rear cassette from 11-26 to 11-40. now it is a blast. cost me 700€ all together.

@Doberio 8 ай бұрын

I'm doing the same with a Rocky Mountain Flatline Pro.

@ricky420DnB 10 ай бұрын

9:36 super flowie Isaac 👏🔥

@adrian_veidt 10 ай бұрын

A 2011 downhill bike is now considered an old school bike.. I feel so old 😂😂

@raziel8321 10 ай бұрын

but only because social media is far away from real life. And influencer start mass production of video content on the assembly line and preaching modern hyper commerce for money earning. clickbait mechanics on top. And pretend that 5mm difference would be as big as the difference between car and rocket to hype the constant "improvement" and so to have a basis for new videos.

@roussel 10 ай бұрын

I think it's mostly because the last ten years have seen such a much bigger change in geometry and components compared to the previous ten years.

@feedbackzaloop 10 ай бұрын

A 2011 bike has become old school as far as in 2013 when the new school was introduced. It has nothing to do with age.

@nukedathlonman 10 ай бұрын

It happens. But at least 2011 isn't considered "prehistoric" yet... 🤣🤣😉

@joeroche552 10 ай бұрын

I think off 2010 as new. Christ I feel old I still have my mark1 trailstar which must be over 20yrs old by now

@chrispayze 10 ай бұрын

Would have been good to see a timed run with rich riding both bikes (or Isaac, but I suspect that Enduro bike would be a bit big!).

@metalmuchkin1342 10 ай бұрын

I agree, two riders and two different bikes, you can't really compare them.

@nread1135 10 ай бұрын

Great to see a roundup of the bpw blacks at twice the speed id get down them! It’s the big flat drops that show up my enduro bike too.

@junka1975 9 ай бұрын

Just listening to Rich and Isaac comparing the 2 and seeing Isaac's suspension working more on the rough stuff, I wonder much faster the most modern downhill bike would be against those 2 bikes?

@KosmicHRTRacingTeam 10 ай бұрын

I’ve just built a Levo carbon with fox 38 forks. First ride was yesterday. I have a late 90s FSR DH with old Jr T and fox vanilla shock. Also a fox float when I want a single crown. Also the comparing of mullet vs 26”. This is pretty much how I expected this test to go. Not as fast on fast sections, but quick switchbacks and very tight stuff, the shorter wheelbase and 26” are probably a bit more playful. But honestly, I’d be quicker on my new bike racing it DH. I still can never get ride of my FSR. If anything, it brings back great memories

@mrvwbug4423 9 ай бұрын

I was surprised that the old 26er DH bike pulled that level of gap on the modern enduro rig. I've ridden both modern enduro bikes and a modern DH bike, and the DH bike is night and day better through downhill tech even running 27.5 wheels on both ends. The modern DH bike just has this smooth, confident, damped feel that I've never gotten from any single crown bike, though I've ridden an enduro bike on a coil that got close.

@samuelzimmerman2062 10 ай бұрын

I have a 1998 specialized far and a trek Merlin 7. I usually use the trek but like they were saying it is a fun novelty to go out on the old stuff because you can't find that experience anywhere else but in those bikes. The fsr is my favorite bike to burn uphill but is defiantly is sketchy when you are blasting downhill or some fast tech. Either way old bikes rule!

@G3LDY 8 ай бұрын

Rich we chatted about this at windhill bike park when I brought up my 2003 giant DH team 💪🏻 I think any DH bike still holds up and is so much fun

@dcv9460 10 ай бұрын

Awesome comparison 😎👍💯

@CANNABISfreedomNOtaxes 5 ай бұрын

I love the new geometry on bikes. I've fallen in love with my Spire. I'm going to build another on this year with 180mm front and rear with a Boxxer up front and a SD Ultimate coil rear.

@TE_53349 6 ай бұрын

i absolutely love my nukeproof scalp although it is harder to keep the speed up compared to modern bikes but still feels absolutely amazing

@Robin_Hood381 10 ай бұрын

The boys were ripping it today, loved the first person views.

@cxensko 10 ай бұрын

Hi gmbn can you plz make a video over the kona stinky its a old dh bike and i was wondering if its a good bike❤

@bat_fastard4525 10 ай бұрын

Did Issac just get the downhill bug? Enjoyed this one gents..but I’m still keeping my rallon 😂

@TE_53349 6 ай бұрын

i love the nukeproof scalp as mine has a new groupset, new 2023 boxxers, new 2018 rockshox rear shock and im small so the shorter reach doesnt bother me. i wouldnt have any other bike (unless it was a canyon torque haha)

@maximilianfaust9378 10 ай бұрын

What are ur gopro settings for shots like 7:17 ?

@flowstateofmind 9 ай бұрын

Good video! So what brands or bikes do we look for if we want more playfulness vs that long and stable reach?

@mrvwbug4423 9 ай бұрын

Enduro bikes are usually designed to be more stable, with DH bikes it kinda depends on the bike. A DH bike that is aimed as more of a park bike, is going to be more playful than a DH bike that is aimed at DH racing. I've ridden a bunch of enduro bikes and they all tend to have a very stable feel. I've ridden one DH bike, a GT Fury and that one was actually more playful than basically any enduro bike I've ridden. I've not tried out any freeride bikes like the RM Slayer, Canyon Torque or Propain Spindrift, though I've heard they tend to be more playful than enduro race bikes.

@gordoncahill1170 10 ай бұрын

So when does the new guy get some GMBN kit? Same for the vid he did on GCN.

@murraykona123 10 ай бұрын

Which bike would you choose to ride Fort William? For me I’m still running a 2008 Morewood Izimu for actual downhill trails. For anything else I use my enduro.

@Owenshredsmtb 10 ай бұрын

Old school for me please

@ashleynicholls9526 9 ай бұрын

Great video

@blazandrejcic 9 ай бұрын

I have old Kona Operator DH 2014 and it is super. Only had to replace cassette from 11-26 to 11-40 for uphill. Tried friends Orbea Laufey and I didnt enjoyed that much.

@odzy9799 10 ай бұрын

lupet 🇵🇭 use to have those rockshox boxer dual crown fork.

@nickthaskater 10 ай бұрын

I have a 2017 Kona Stinky 26. I have ridden modern enduro and while they're great and all, there's nothing like 200mm of travel with 26" wheels and steamroller geometry.

@user-vt8cy1fw7n 10 ай бұрын

If u don’t use it again can I have it ?

@jordi_mtb 10 ай бұрын

😂

@WorkLessRideMore 10 ай бұрын

DH bikes are so much fun. I'm glad I have a full 27.5 dh bike with a single speed setup. Perfect for park laps.

@NP-th1mo 10 ай бұрын

I still miss my DH rig.

@Silverripples 10 ай бұрын

Got both, enjoy both

@Muldrix1978 10 ай бұрын

Love to ride my 26inch Kona Stinky Delux with a 1 speed drive train. Nothing will beat a DH on downhill 🤣

@AFV85 6 ай бұрын

I'm actually in this delema right now lol I don't know what to go for, backstory is I done DH alot a good 10 to 13 yrs ago an accident took me out the game for a year or so then life took over but now I'm absolutely dying to get back on a bike! I'm looking at a few endures just now but being from the Giant ATX one and Two era I loved my 2 bikes alot and my kona stinky! I will be getting something newer but so many amazing deals on some amazing DHs jsut now it's difficult! Even a kona Operator 2 I was looking at but seeing the easier riding uphill is kina what I want something that does good on the road aswell as on a trail! It will also be a get around bike, I know people say get a cheap bike and a hard tail for that been there done that hated that I want something nice to ride good to look at etc I don't do hard tails anymore them days are gone haha

@artixsweden 9 ай бұрын

Isaac is like all mountain skis! I love it 👌😃

@egazzz99 10 ай бұрын

amazing how enduro bikes or downhill bike transform head protection requirements 😅

@ilikeautosdaily 3 ай бұрын

I've only ever ridden old school (6-10 years old) downhill bikes purely because I cannot justify spending thousands of dollars on a newer enduro. although I would love to try one some day and see the difference a big tire and new geometry would make.

@PaulFlude 9 ай бұрын

A few weeks ago I took my 2003 Kona Stuff to a downhill park. I felt and rode like a teenager until the last run when my arms were jelly and I went from 15 to 80 from the resulting crash. Would I prefer to own an enduro bike. Yes. Can I afford one? maybe an old 27.5" or a new 29" hardtail. Either way I will always still find a time to ride my old 26" Hardtail.

@onetwofourfive 9 ай бұрын

The problem is that the 10y old DH bike when new cost 3x less than this new enduro bike.

@mokujinsan9946 4 ай бұрын

I purchased an immaculate fully tooled up 2017 Devinci Wilson... It still.. is the dogs bollox. Long live da Chainsaw.

@tomstarmoreMTB 10 ай бұрын

Great vid just booked bike wales again aswell wife isn't happy 😂😂

@antlewis8439 10 ай бұрын

How tall are you Rich? Curious. I'm 183cm and my hardtail has similar reach to yours in this vid but feels slightly too long! Just curous!

@ltrtg13 10 ай бұрын

That downhill bike has a shorter reach than my Orbea Laufey trail hardtail. My bike has a reach for a medium of 435mm.

@lluiscodina 9 ай бұрын

Enduro with 27.5 is the right option for me I don't know why now is difficult to find this set up

@fpeter01 9 ай бұрын

And 17,7 kg is relatively lightweight. Mine ended up just below 20 kg.

@dadbod4life 10 ай бұрын

Isaac and his googles. Love it.

@vlvdy 8 ай бұрын

The biggest difference is the price, old DH cost about 500 and new Enduro about 3000-5000

@jdjones7469 10 ай бұрын

Both have their pros and cons. And they are so close to one another, just a percent or two separate them. I would have to go with the enduro on this one for a few reasons. Enduro is more suited for all terrain riding (although still some good effort needed on the climbs). The DH, it’s like pushing a tank. Both have capability on the decent. DH has something in reserve with big 200+/- travel, where the enduro may be maxed out with the 170/160. Component availability is also key, with the limited availability of 26 components today (wheels, tires, etc) what happens when something goes wrong and you can not get a replacement for several days? Or if at all! I think I would edge so slightly with the enduro simply for that reason, but by the closest of margins. Now if I were a DH racer, only descending, DH all day.

@Mattventuring 10 ай бұрын

What if you factor in the price difference?

@laattamaa 10 ай бұрын

Definitely enduro, so much more versatile bike.

@thecannabiskidfortier6219 10 ай бұрын

I'd rather ride the nukeproof then the more modern Orbea.

@TykoLundberg 9 ай бұрын

Hahaha you guys are crazy! 😂

@fixuplooksharp7456 9 күн бұрын

Ive got a 2016 gt fury hard work but fun

@c.s.4273 10 ай бұрын

I am still waiting for a new fatbike video! 🙏🏻

@_mgiles 10 ай бұрын

Coming from someone who's never owned a downhill bike...When people say downhill bike suck for climbing, I always wonder why no one just puts a 50t cassette on one to make their lives a little easier.....? Can someone please explain.

@haldclark 10 ай бұрын

The frame and components will remain heavy. I recently replaced the crankset to help with uphill climbs on f a 2006 DH bike, and it's still a slog pedaling up. DH bikes are meant to survive going down, not for the rider to survive pedaling up.

@_mgiles 10 ай бұрын

@@haldclark yah I get that it's def gonna stay heavy but it can't hurt to have better gearing but it doesn't seem like any dh bikes ever do. I guess most dh bikes are just used with lifts or people want an excuse to buy an Enduro as well lol

@lancebrown6390 10 ай бұрын

Difficult comparison. Issac looked more comfortable on the 26. Moved whole bike more flexible?Although was over back wheel more. Hardly going to diss new size bikes as impact on bike industry? What's needed is timed runs?

@Ferrari255GTO 10 ай бұрын

Against my better judgement, i would pick old downhill bike

@rugbyfan6141 10 ай бұрын

modern enduro for sure its more versatile . dh bikes only for mountains

@Harrys_mtb22 10 ай бұрын

Love the videos

@sloops4398 9 ай бұрын

Why not new tires on the old bike? You would not ride your enduro with 10 year old tires. Also interessting would be, building the old frame with new parts. In my old bike i also used 27,5" wheels instead of 26".

@kmaxxfagyan5740 10 ай бұрын

Some companies now neglect having a small size. We little people still exist

@norske5000 7 ай бұрын

Old school downhill bike, because that is the bike that I have.

@jokermtb 10 ай бұрын

REsult? InconclusivE!

@fud1376 10 ай бұрын

I enjoyed this vid more than most......Quality..Ha!

@Alan-75 10 ай бұрын

Get isacc on a modern 27.5 or mullet downhill bike with better suspension on.

@Mattventuring 10 ай бұрын

So not much in it but we all get sold on newer bikes being so much better. For most of us improving our skill that will make more of a difference

@TheBarrettCompound 10 ай бұрын

I'd take both 😂

@fulltimecasualnz 10 ай бұрын

Skills!!!

@pennywood5653 10 ай бұрын

Did Isaac have a hangover?

@federaldelii 10 ай бұрын

💯 percent Modern Enduro Bike is the best choice I prefer 👍🏻💯💯💯

@SwordFighterPKN 10 ай бұрын

So put better tires on the downhill bike.

@AntonKoba 10 ай бұрын

2023... you don't measure the top tube, you just look for it online if you have the number

@elnyoutube123 4 ай бұрын

Old school

@speedygonzales3247 10 ай бұрын

I would choose the downhill if its harder to ride and then move up to the enduro.

@togtokhturganbaatar6286 9 ай бұрын

Old dh still feels modern to me lol 😂

@nukedathlonman 10 ай бұрын

You are aware the suspension can be upgraded which likely would reduce and possibly even eliminate some of the things your not happy with right? :-) Okay, I can't speak directly about downhill and Endruro bikes specifically, but I can attest that my trail mutt which has much more modern suspension parts rides like a completely different bike from the original setup (bobbing is so little you'd think it was eliminated (not quite, but it's that close), the suspension is more responsive to the terrain, and it's just much easier to dial in today). Don't like the 3x driveline, it can be swapped out for 1x - though given it's a 26er, the wheels would need to be built throwing the budget out a bit. Just saying you might be surprised at what new tech can do for refreshing and modernizing an older ride...

@growlith6969 9 ай бұрын

Easy! BOTH.

@SolidxSnakexDuke 10 ай бұрын

26"bike rule the World againe whit mordern geo

@alexh.4068 10 ай бұрын

why talk about tire compounds like fresh new 26" tires in better compounds arent available lol

@Mattventuring 10 ай бұрын

I think they were comparing the bikes as there are / were in the respective eras.

@KP-ol3tc 10 ай бұрын

How slack...is too slack? I'm interested to see where the industry takes us lol

@ericmountainbiker 10 ай бұрын

Modern Super enduro. Commencal Clash.

@nikhilparker616 6 ай бұрын

DH all day. Like comparing super car to sports car. One good all around, the other can reach max capability

@basslinejunkies9976 9 ай бұрын

old is gold , enduro bike look like it's not good....

@suchasreallife 10 ай бұрын

One rider is also taller

@philiproe866 10 ай бұрын

DOWNHILL BIKE🤘

@ashleytombs 10 ай бұрын

I would love to see any fresh out the box enduro bike with 170m Front and rear win rampage then I will be convinced Enduro just as good as DH

@tiagogoncalves-lisboa376 10 ай бұрын

First one here let’s go

@thesmf1210 10 ай бұрын

child detected

@tiagogoncalves-lisboa376 10 ай бұрын

Nah was just a first😂

@markofremec3592 10 ай бұрын

If you dont use it again can i have it?

@tondelaclau2035 9 ай бұрын

Its a pilot not bike 🤟😷

@JackBauerDev 10 ай бұрын

Same trail, different helmets?? Why

@HUKIT. 10 ай бұрын

You guys have done so many of these now and they’re always the same.

@ericjohn5461 6 ай бұрын

I'll take the 2010 any day before I ride another 29er 🤮

@MrGetthefuckup 2 ай бұрын

modern mountain bike with old school kit. Love the baggy looking 90's/2000's gear