Apparently, not necessarily as a bluecoat…

@@MothaLuva . Why would you say that ?

@@creaturecaldwell9858 Because I don’t like them.

@@MothaLuva . yeah..wasn't much liking them when they showed up marching through our trails

@@creaturecaldwell9858 I sure can relate to that.

How do the Oglala, Hunkpapa, Mnikowoju Sioux fit in with Nakota, Dakota, Lakota?

@@drstrangelove4998 I believe I heard this described toward the beginning of this podcast. They are tribes of the Lakota.

I’d like to go there. Sounds very creepy!

@@leeanntrain8835 it's the last bridge before you hit Kiowa Benit going east on County Line Rd in between Elbert and Arapahoe County in Colorado

Uh huh.

The English used that tactic against the Scottish. Prima nocta or first night was a law established by the English king that gave an English lord the first night with any Scottish bride marrying a Scotsman. He said they would breed them out.

The current U.S. government is trying to do something similar to certain groups

I'm Lakota I ain't broken

@CinRife Sir, I very happy to hear you're not broken, I meant no offense, I was only commenting on what I saw in the mid 90s while traveling through North&South Dakota and Iowa. I am disgusted by what the ancestors of my race did to yours. I wish you a great life sir

I'm born n raised on this rez(rosebud) but am stronger for the the struggles we been thru

Good thing they did...only be in the way now..

A total coward who slaughtered women and children.

A true rabid dog barking bible verses

1962??? I think you mean 1862 Chivington was NOT a good person, neither was Custer

​@@sandidavis820well said 👍

And how he said on the Oregon trail white people would die and bury their dead in shallow graves and their rotting corps would pollute the air". Was there really that many people that died and were buried that close together that it polluted the air with stench? And if it did think how is that the white man's fault? The natives were interesting people and they had a very interesting Society. But they were not perfect they did not walk on water they were people and they had flaws and they get some really dark Sinister things themselves with quit making me God's out of people. They were fallible.

They did it to eat..not to exterminate..even if there was wasted buffalo..you know the truth..if you want to say they were not Disney peaceful then ok..but don't equal anything as the exact same like a buffoon

@@jessecaldwell9970 and the Whites did it to make money so that they could feed and clothe *_their_* families. The point being, *_both_* Natives and Whites killed entire herds of buffalo and took what they wanted, needed, and then left the rest to rot in the sun or be eaten by scavengers ... and yet only the Whites actions are painted in a bad light. The truth is, the Natives could have hunted and killed just the number of buffalo they needed, but that would have been harder, so they instead chose the easy route of killing entire herds, and then just taking what they wanted. The point being, it doesn't matter if you're native, or white, or black, humans are humans, and we all have ancestors that did really crappy things ... and if we're honest, we've all done really crappy things too, and until we realize that, and admit that fact, we're never going to get over the racist BS of painting one tribe better or worse than another.

@@beowulf.reborn whatever natives were doing, it is estimated that the Great Plains here was between 30 and 60 million. So obviously their methods were sustainable. Just a few decades of commercial hunting for fun and profit drove the population to near extinction leaving less than a 1000 individual bison. I would also point out, no white person ever actually witnessed a buffalo jump. What is recorded and imagined by various artists all comes from oral histories. There is almost no evidence of buffalo jumps being used past the 1700s. So it doesn’t seem that the use of buffalo jumps among the nomadic horse culture that emerged on the plains was much of a thing. So when you talk about “Natives” you have to be specific about time and place, cause you can’t just lump all Native cultures into one group. As far as Natives being wasteful and killing off whole herds, it doesn’t seem that archeological evidence supports that. The biggest site is probably the Ulm site, so an estimated 6000 animals killed over a period more than a thousand years. The Rock Shelter site in Texas has a bone bed of 800 animals either killed all at once or over a very short period, strangely all females and yearlings. So obviously they were being selective somehow and not killing whole herds. About being wasteful, archeology evidence doesn’t support that notion either. I’ve have only read the reports on half dozen sites or so, but they all point to near 100% dis articulation, meaning they were nearly all butchered. Same thing with skulls being cracked open, nearly 100%, which means they were tanning almost all the hides. I’m not trying to paint any particular culture in a good or bad light. Everyone is going to act in a way that they think is in their own best interest. It’s obvious that a nomadic horse warrior culture isn’t going to be tolerated for very long in a country with expansionist policies. But the notion that Natives were wasteful in their use of resources isn’t the sword you want to throw yourself on, because objectively that argument just falls apart when you start looking at the evidence.

@@beowulf.reborn . I don't say one is better or worse than another.. even when worse things came with one ..the people are still people whatever tribe they come from

And now a' days you twinkle toes give yourselves penal implants and carry pocket pussys

The Spanish introduced horses to the American West..

@@leeanntrain8835 Spanish are white (European).

Complete sentences are a thing.

Yeah sure..you know there are innocents on both sides yet you make out like everyone thinks it's either all Disney or all mindless evil animals.🙄

You have a masters in what aboutism.

@@JB-uv4hm nice deflection from a valid point and what the oc is talking about happened more often than once or twice. I get it, you don’t like the point he’s making so you jump to a put down. Just like your other comments… trying to make yourself into what exactly? Pretending to be intelligent yet refusing to listen to a different point of view? That’s just a shortcut to thought and nothing else. Keep reading Howard Zinn and putting down anyone that disagrees with you as it really shows your brilliance!

@@JB-uv4hm I have confusion over the double standards and hypocrisies.

@@charliemike13 you believe pointing out that there was tribal conflict and even intra tribal conflict is some revelation? If you knew anything about that, you’d know more often than not, that was driven by direct or indirect Anglo/Euro influence. For example, the Lakota didn’t fall upon the Pawnee until they were decimated by Euro diseases, whiskey and pressed from the east by the white hoards with their bibles in one hand and a rifle in the other. But hey I saw Bobby hit Timmy, so I’m justified in destroying Bobby and his entire extended family is the perfect excuse if it makes you feel better.

@@davidnichols1943 your ‘confusion’ starts with not actually listening to the pod. Plenty of ref to tribal warfare. Sand Creek was a massacre. An excellent example at ethnic cleansing.

Glad someone else is stating this. Nowadays it's just the Whites who get blamed for all the shit that happened, even though if one reads through the historical accounts it's clear both Whites and Natives committed horrible acts. But yet, if you mention that fact, you're either called an idiot or the evilest word to the far left. Racist. Gods forbid we just be honest and tell it how it actually happened eh?

The white eye understood very well what they was writing up in their own treatys you see they where fluent in bullshit even back then

@@matthewgordonpettipas6773 that goes for the german army as well wouldnt you say

@@matthewgordonpettipas6773 why are you surprised the "COMMUNIST LED ALLIES"did the exact same thing in the 40s

@@matthewgordonpettipas6773 It took 4 months, but it seems that we got there after all.

Of course they did..these particular ones mainly didn't because they lived where hunting was the main thing..they could trade for baskets or pottery ..

Some did and some didn’t. Native Americans are not a homogeneous group of peoples.

@@drstrangelove4998 Lakotas painted both art and historical records on buffalo hides. They certainly made a variety of different crafts.

@@drstrangelove4998 Also they engaged in agriculture, more so before they moved to the plains, they also made things out of copper.

Absolute nonsense.

@@phillipwasson2980 they killed a few settlers in western Kansas, the army went to the tribe asked to give them up they refused. Army killed who they thought was responsible anyways. The tribe burned julesburg and attempted to kill all settlers along the south platte was stopped at fort wicked. Army responses was sand creek

That’s where you are dead wrong

@@jessecaldwell4195 western Kansas and eastern Colorado are sparely populated today, back then there may have been maybe a thousand white people in the land. There were plenty of Buffalo back then, I think it was just straight up greed then retaliation by each side.

@@jasonbush7236 . The gov. and military would never enforce the treaties ..in order to enforce treaties the military would of had to monitor lines and round up all law breaking squatters or kill them if they resisted with deadly force..and they would not jail or kill thier own citizens..they probably would never be able to stop people completely even if they did try and enforce the law because so many were rushing in at once. It was a screwed up situation in multiple ways..I'm grateful we live in the now only things need to be made better for the Cheyenne..and others..for all of us truly.

And you know this how???

@@micanopykracker902 I do this thing called reading.

@@danishsailing4630 yea well einstein weve all read it but that dont mean we "know" it happened...even if they did you really think they just wasted whatever was killed??? Or did you read that too.???? "what is history but mans continuation of a lie" "if you tell that lie enough to the people..they will believe this as fact" ya gotta run deeper than Nat.Geo.Mag.

@@micanopykracker902 Learn how to use punctuation.

@@danishsailing4630 why???you got the point

The most common story is about how the Spaniards fled and left many horses to the wild due to the Pueblo Revolt of 1680. It was in what now is New Mexico, and the Apache, Navajo and Ute were the first tribes to make use of them, even as a source of food. However, animals lost or abandoned by the DeSoto and Coronado expeditions 1540-1542 to modern day Alabama, could possibly have furnished a stock of wild horses that made an impact on groups of natives much eralier than the late 1600's. Nevertheless, this is highly arguable.