What is funny is everyone crying about “burn in” on OLEDS….. the tech is nowhere comparable to old plasmas etc ….. please watch the RTINGS video on “burn in” and you will laugh at what it took to actually get true “burn in”…..

I am watching this on a 12 year old, 50 inch, LG Plasma TV, that gets a lot of use and has a fantastic image

I just got the QN90B 43 in for use as a monitor. I was going to try OLED but my current plan is to enjoy this until QD-OLED comes out in a smaller form factor closer to 43/42 in. I know the Alienware at 34 is out but there's some short comings there and I want to see how things play out and when that time comes I'll give this to my gf as I just built her a setup in pink that she's loving but the old 1080p monitor she's on will need to be upgraded eventually. Not having to worry about burn in particularly down the road for her (she isn't as careful as I am) is also a big factor for longevity.

Back in the good ole days of analog TV, a person knew the difference when an old TV technology was being replaced by new TV technology. Now days, it's a ball-of-confusion. *The way I do it ... start off looking for anything 4K, then worry about being confused later on.*

From a person which works with tvs every day: 1. You should say WHICH NeoQLED are you testing, QN90A for example is great, QN85A is garbage, 8k models are meh, between LCDs there are huge differences so talking about average isn't that helpful 2. As for LG, C1 isn't even its last years top model, this 2022 models are much better and Sony/Panasonic/Samsung OLEDs are even better 3. Talking about QLED as a different technology is just misleading, it's regular LCD tv with color enhancement film and it doesn't really guarantee best color, as many non QLED Sony, LG or Philips lcd tvs can have better color or even also be miniLED 4. miniLED isn't evolution of QLED, it's evolution of lcd 5. miniLED doesn't guarantee more zones but smaller LEDs, there are normal FALD tvs with more zones than some miniLEDs 6. Miniled isn't generally cheaper, actually you can find many cheaper OLED models as they are cheaper to produce 7. Many MiniLEDs are thinner than OLEDs, yes, minimal OLED thickness is razor thin but they usually have huge bump on the back 8. 2021 Oleds also got brighter, some are brighter than some miniLEDs, that's why we shouldn't generalize 9. Using brand new 2022 tv to show average pricing of oleds is misleading, especially when compared to a miniled which is on sellouts with basically no availability 10. miniled doesn't guarantee better blacks or brightness over regular lcd, it gives you better power efficiency and smaller thickness, other things depend on exact panel and processing 11. miniLEDs aren't best backlit tvs from blacks and contrast standpoint, that goes to dual cell tvs 12. For a 8k tv you showed regular FALD tv from 3 years ago 13. MicroLED isn't coming to mainstream anytime soon or maybe never, aside pricing it has huge problems with power draw and thermals so brightness isn't really that much better than OLEDs can be now, especially with improvements coming and advent of QNED (not the one from lg) 14. You shouldn't get 8k even if you have money for it, every company's 8k flagships have worse picture quality than 4k ones, while being around at least 2 times more expensive, and even if content was available the difference isn't noticeable 15. You missed elephant in the room, QD-OLED, miniled is just evolution of the lcd available for 4 years already meanwhile QD-OLED is the first brand new technology in the market since 10 years ago and it connects biggest advantages of lcd and oled, not even mentioning it is just bad, especially that you showed neo qled but you didn't show the best Samsung tv: s95b OLED All in all it's like 4th video from your series about tvs where it's clear to see that you don't really know much about tvs and it's nothing wrong really! Please just don't make videos like these because they spread misinformation and don't really help nobody.

Love the zen like feel of your videos… Keep it up !!

There is nothing confusing about it. Basically you have 2 technologies: LCD and OLED. QLED, QNED, Mini-Led all are high end LCD based tvs. QD-OLED and lg’s Evo Oleds are high end oled tvs. Oled still has better picture quality. QD-OLED tvs are the next big thing.

Mini LED for me and I'm huge OLED fan. Still as far as tv options for all day usagebits better. You won't have any problems with brightness or burn in . Longevity I think they're way better...

Just so you know John this year Sony is actually getting its highest end OLED panel from Samsung, they have moved over to QD-OLED

Micro-LED-Quantum Dot OLED-LCD is what I’m waiting for.

I feel like the answer really comes down to 2 things.. Do you use/watch your TV usually during the day and in a bright room? If so, LED. Do you use/watch TV mostly at night or if during the day a not so bright room? Then it's easily OLED.

I recently replaced my 8 year old flagship Panasonic 58 inch IPS LED panel tv for a mid-range 65 inch Panasonic OLED tv which was highly recommended by my trusted dealer. The new OLED panel cost less than half of what the IPS panel cost me 8 years ago. My lounge is moderately well lit, with one 19 feet long wall being all window from above 3 feet. Yes, I was concerned that the OLED screen would struggle to provide a sufficiently bright picture. I needn’t have worried. That OLED panel outshines the outgoing IPS panel, in every regard including luminosity. That’s some achievement because, even by todays standards, Thant IPS panel, holds it’s own. In fact, I’m so impressed with my new 65 inch Panasonic OLED that my only regret is that I’d purchased a larger panel!

I work at Best Buy in the home theater department and I can say for sure that the TVs are not calibrated or altered in anyway. Every TV gets the same feed with the same settings. If you don't believe me you can cask someone that works there to show you the settings on the TVs. Great video though.

Just a correction, miniled isn’t an evolution of qled it’s just as follows: Qled is basically a marketing name for a traditional lcd based backlit panel with a quantum dot (made by nanosys) color filter, which is a reactive substance that can efficiently create green and red from blue light. Lcd used to be lit by fluorescent ray tubes, which then changed into led light sources, changing the name to “led tv” which in essence is still lcd but with a different lighting system. There is edge lit and direct lit with edge lit being well.. lit from the edge of a panel, and direct lit well.. shining right through. Then direct lit was enhanced by enabling local dimming, which introduced finer control over direct-led backlit lcd panels, problem was that these leds were still too large to induce fine control. Hence why mini-led was created, which gave even more light control and efficiency, however it is more difficult to process for a display making it expensive to manufacture. Simultaneously kodak was working on oled tech back in the day (patent was bought up by lg display) which used organic material which would light up when electricity was flowing through it, essentially making it a different technology all together and in no relation to lcd/miniled tv’s. Now comes qd oled which uses a similar process to qled using a filter, it’s just that the light source is now based on blue oleds instead of blue leds

Got to love LG TV's, love mine!

I think it is clear that miniLED or Q-LED is a good option and OLED will become the base options replacing current LCD displays. They are both great though so win-win as far as I am concerned, but for peak brightness ATM OLED struggles and Samsung's refusal to make dual-pane OLED (for business reasons, they last longer) means that the negatives of OLED are currently not being addressed. Apple's refusal to use OLED due to their relative short shelf-life and lower peak brightness will change as Apple got LG to start developing dual-pane. Of course, once Samsung saw this and new this could be damaging for them, they have come around and will also manufacture these (late 2023/early 2024). When these arrive then OLED may become number one again as they will eliminate the main cons.

I want to see a video soon about QDOLED, vs Mini-LED. monitors and tv's

if your living room is full of windows, lots of lights take Mini LED, its a day and night TV. I bought 77" A80j not knowing that my bright living room will be impossible to watch image of daytime program. Costco told me to return it and replaced it with 85" qn85a. Big difference, now I can appreciate what I am watching during daytime and nightime no lights. I play both of them side by side and Mini LED is the clear winner for being both day/night TV. Oled is slightly better with all light close in picture quality during night time viewing, but horrible image quality during daytime just glare/reflection all you see.

Thank you Jon, Awesome content 👏👏

I just bought a 55" LG A80 QNED last month. I love it. Last week, my wife won a $1k tv of our choice or a grill. No brainer, tv it is. We ended up going with a 55" LG B2 OLED and just had to pay anything over the 1k. $300 out of pocked. Pretty happy with that deal and waiting for BestBuy to notify me for pickup.

One other pro for Mini-LED displays is that unlike OLED they can't burn-in. That's not a big pro if all do you do is watch entertainment media like Netflix or play console games, but if you use an OLED display as a PC monitor that is a major potential issue.

Something to think about, i just had a tiny fly make its way into the middle of a 2 year old sony LCD screen. After my research almost none of are sealed in any. It seems to happen way more often you think also.

I literally am deciding between the two tvs. I have decided on OLED. Thank you

I get natural light beaming into my apartment, and that has not stopped me from enjoying my oled. If it ever does, I'll invest in better curtains. Oled is superior and I can't go back lol

I have a laptop with a glossy 4k OLED 99%srgb display and the clarity of the visuals are unmatched. Its really hard for me to accept spending close to 1000$ for a monitor that doesnt have true blacks.

I liked the video but it feels weird for you to bring up microLED and not QD-OLED as well for future tech. Especially with Samsung and Sony releasing QD-OLED TVs and the QD-OLED tech being used in gaming monitors as well.

Burn in from OLED is a huge concern for me despite improved practices and technology too prevent it. You still get a little bit of everything with Mini-Led and most of all longevity!

Nice video Jon!

There isn't a clear winner. To me, OLED's major weak link is longevity. LCD TVs comfortably last upwards of 5 years regardless of what you watch and how much of it you watch whereas most OLEDs would probably suffer from burn-in or image retention by then and you need to babysit your TV somewhat by ensuring that you watch varied content without static images like logos or HUDs. Not my cup of tea. If you're someone who changes TVs every 2-3 years to get the latest and greatest, OLED probably makes sense but I generally keep my TVs for around 8 years. OLED technology simply isn't made to last that long. LCD TVs with Mini-LED backlighting can get pretty close to OLED black levels thanks to Local Dimming but they often end up being more expensive than OLED (example: QN95B) presumably because of the complex engineering effort it takes to implement those Local Dimming algorithms. They generally also get brighter than OLED without suffering from the longevity issues of OLED. The downside is that you need to sacrifice at least some of that Local Dimming in Game Mode if you want to have a decent input lag and VRR so you need to choose between picture quality and performance. For me, high-end LCD TV (Mini-LED) for the living room and OLED for the bedroom. For gaming too I would prefer the LCD most of the time but for darker games like Elden Ring and Resident Evil, I might prefer the OLED. OLED would have the edge for competitive gaming too thanks to its superior pixel response time.

I love my 55 C9,. which I use as gaming monitor, and my 77 C1.

Still love my Pioneer Elite Kuro 151fd. Nothing on the market beats it IMHO.

To be fair, you're comparing prices of last gen QLEDs to current gen OLEDs. If you grab a C1, they're fairly cheaper than a C2. 55 inch C1 in the US is like $1100.

Hello, nice video. I am wondering what's the difference between the TCL 8-series or 6-series and TCL C835 or C635. Are they the same?

Something people forget about oled, it has burn issues like old plasma TV'S and it has fade issues over time. Oled still looks better but qled is cheaper and should hold out better over time if you're a person that keeps TVs for a long time.

Waiting on a TCL C935. miniLED, 65', 144Hz, 1000+ Dimming zones, GoogleTV, Dolby, etc... 1650€. Unmatchable.

The top OLED in the market today is the LG G2

The LG being thin is only a plus if it was equally as thin everywhere, that hump at the low back just looks really awkward with the thin panel... 😆

Saw oled and mini led side by side today and the oled looked gorgeous to me. The black blacks really push it over the top as the winner for me!

Mini LED is much cheaper than OLED? Hardly. All the top rated mini LED sets are the same price or more expensive depending on the model.

I love my LG OLED, but hate it at the same time...my E7 has a stunning picture, but also has BURN IN, caused by the previous owner...at first I used to ignore it, but it's becoming more annoying as time goes on. I'm very shy about going for another one...

I keep my TV until it dies. Then I buy the biggest and most expensive, most feature-rich TV I can budget for. I'm still watching my 43" LED from 2015

after I sold my Sony A8G I wanted something different and went for a Samsung QN700B that was on a sale price which is half of its launch price. now I'm half pressed to go back to OLED because these two are just different beasts with its own pros and cons

I start from CRT to Plasma now Oled c1 to Sony XR X95k I love oled black level but I can’t go back to me oled after see mini led is the bright to good and color more natural 😊

Picking up my first OLED TV soon, Looking at the LG G2 that just got released, it's supposed to be one of the brighter OLED's out there - Any thoughs?

The problem is miniled are only better then oled in higher sizes. Even 65s have blooming issues..the new x95k is blooming like crazy and they're asking horrendous amounts of money for it

I just bought a TCL QM8 (Mini Led) to replace my old LG Oled, it lasted a week the motion control was dreadful I tried every permutation of the motion smoothing control I just kept seeing jitter in fast moving scenes. I ended up giving it to my daughter and purchasing a LG C3

My 2020 55 inch TCL R635 is still the best TV I've EVER owned. I won't be upgrading this set for at least another five years. Black levels are the best I've seen besides OLED. Brightness is over 1000 nits. It's 120 hz as well so motion is chefs kiss.

So now we are in 23 with qd oled and mla do you still believe mini led is better?

Sooo, I was trying to look into microLED and I got miniLED. Micro has more LEDs than mini; they are smaller and you get even more local dimming zones and even truer blacks, plus there's the upside of not burning out :|

I have 8 flatscreens in my house including an OLED in the basement and to be honest they are all basically fine. I am still confused by all the different terminology out there. My word of advice though, buy a Sony, they cost more and are worth every penny. I still miss plasmas, a couple of my neighbors had those $10,000 Pioneer plasmas years ago and they were fantastic.

Why compare pricing for qn90a to c2 when qn90a is 2021 model and c2 is 2022, especially when c1 is still available at the same price as the qn90a and the qn90b which is the 2022 model is actually more then the c2?

Would I be wrong to comment on Gaming performance? I cant speak to the specific Mini-LED model, and from what i understand that dimming zones and VRR support dont always work well. For instance I have read about many *LED* based TV's will support VRR but local dimming is turned off ot as well used

OLED Perfect black is amazing but brightness is key essential for the best HDR experience, bright OLED are not only very expensive but you will risk burn in more!! mini and micro LEDs will give you great Blacks not perfect which is more than enough, and you will get perfect brightness which kind make them the best option right now.

I agree with most of this but when it comes to price oled is not significantly more expensive it’s actually very comparable to the price of mini led and sometimes cheaper take a 65in qn90b from Samsung it’s going for 2399 while a c2 from lg is is actually cheaper at 2099 unless you have a extremely bright room or mostly watch during the day oled is still the best I switched from a qn85a to a lg g2 recently and I’m so glad I did

why didnt you pick the QD Oled from Samsung to represent Oled?

I have a TCL with Mini QLED and looks great

OLED still superior to Mini LED

I still have an cheapo Samsung TV from (I think) 8 years ago. Planning to upgrade end of this year (Or early next year), that'll get interesting

I have the G2 and I am considering buying the qn900b on 65,is it worth it?

Now that the LG C2 dropped to only 1100 euros, would that be a good oled pick? I dont see why it dropped in price so fast, was there something wrong with this years LG tvs?

I look forward to 8k 3D miniOLED TV in 2026. Btw is 3D not available anymore?

until OLED or a new Panel like say a futuristic Nano LED could handle BURN-INs, OLED would only be suitable for a cinematic display or media benchmark testing. Definitely not advisable for long hour works or gaming. If price becomes favorable, definitely will get one. But Mini-Leds looks like my next best try both for gaming and working, definitely won me over monitors such as the EVE Spectrum.

My samsung 55” full hd lcd from 2008 just gave up. I’ll miss it. No bloatware. Think i will go with minileds. I’ve seen 4year old oleds with some serious degradation in light output.

All I can say is that my QN has the best picture that I personally have ever seen.

My Oled tv pixels get burned after 2 years of usage

ok. you can't compare prices of a 2022 G2 to a 2021 Samsung model that has been replaced by to QN90B, which is new, and has a way higher price than the clearance pricing of the Qn90A

OLED downfall - Burn-In. I was making the same decision with Plasma vs LED many years ago. Plasma had the very best black levels, but like OLED, was prone to burn-in. I went with Plasma anyway. Huge mistake. Despite being very careful, I had burn-in within a few years which ruined the picture for me. There's no way I'll ever purchase any display tech prone to burn-in again.

Jusr ordered the 85" QN85B. Was going for the 90B but the 85 was 1k cheaper

What about burn-in issues with Oled? Is it still a problem?

In general we can say that mini led has actually more resolution and less dpi and high ppi

Just put the blind curtain for the OLED You definitely won't need 2000nits brightness for sure

Best Buy, at least the few near me in SoCal, do not calibrate their displays. They run them using out of the box defaults. Some displays have motion smoothing on by default, some don't, some have dynamic contrast enabled, some don't, etc. Comparing TVs visually in store is just a terrible customer experience, I heard a salesman outright lie about the display features to push a sale on the more expensive TV.

I'll stick with my Sony 77" A80J set for a very long time or until it dies. I just can't imagine anything better than that picture today. As a former owner of 2 last 9th gen 60" Pioneer Elite Kuro Plasma line and still have 1 in my bedroom (1080p Bliss) along with a recent 55" LG CX which I sold to upgrade to the current 77" Sony OLED panel. I must say Sony OLED hands down has best picture quality of any OLED I've seen in the US anyway including LG. Their upscaling, overall color accuracy, motion and smoothness and lightning fast processing is so good. I loved that CX panel but something about how Sony processes colors and image that LG can't touch today. That XR processor they use is so much better than LG despite been the same LG EVO panel. I'll stick to OLED for the foreseeable future and just hope those prices drop to pick up another.

I feel like stating that you need to be in a dimly lit room to watch OLED properly may be an exaggeration, just don't have a window right behind you, otherwise, you can be in a well-lit room with no problem, even if lights are behind you the problem I believe is hard lights, soft lights are usually better for the eyes.

Just curious what song is playing in the background.

Which would you suggest for majority sport watching?

Your price comparisons are off considering you compared a 2021 qled vs a 2022 oled to make a point when in reality they're around the same price. In fact the LG c2 65" retails for $100 less than a qn90b. So you should probably check your facts.

QLED 65C735 vs QLED 65C745 vs 65C835 this is the test we want to see.

if it always come down to money then you already know whats better!

With mini led no burn in, I already wanna change my oled. The burn In looks annoying

Also you are comparing the price to a brand new c2 at launch to a year old qn90A. Today the price difference from the new qn90b and the c2 are essentially the same price.

Its all about QD-OLED

Is it only me or anyone else noticed Jon got the conclusion backwards?

Talk a lot about contrast and colours but you didnt talk about motion. Stutter is a big problem on OLED's that I wasnt aware of until I bought one. Any frame rate under 60 fps has severe stutter which LCD displays just don't have. But it you don't see the stutter then OLED all the way. If you do then I doubt you'd want OLED.

The thing is, Mini LED especially NEO QLEDs from 2021 have become so close to black levels of OLED that the line is been blurred between the two, the QN90A series is amazing in black levels, only set back now is blooming which is still noticiable even with the improved algorithm but it’s still being worked on and improved, although with the reveal of QD-OLED now this is gonna kill everything out there in a couple years that there won’t be a reason not to chose QD-OLED.

Everyone I know that has purchased an OLED has regretted that purchase due to burnin. Not an issue with Mini-LED

black levels will always keep me an oled guy from laptops to tablets to tv and phones all oled

Guys, lg c2 is 32% more expensive than tcl c835 mini led right now.😮 Which one should I buy for a moderate lighted room?

No word on which is better for quick content like sports, racing? This video could be 2 minutes long tbh, basically all you said is miniLED has higher brightness, OLED better blacks, but there are more differences between those two

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There is only one king now - QD-OLED

OLED is still the best overall. However QLED is an interesting take on the tech. Both are great tho.

If I spend that money I will go for QLED. brightness, vibrant colors.

“Half a decade” Tell that to my mom who refuses to change from her 25 year old stuff

Great 👍

so Mini led is better than oled?

That should have read ‘my only regret is that I should have purchased a larger panel’.

I just realised who this guy sounds like - Christopher Walken. Back to the video… Content would also dictate which to get - if you’re a movie buff, you’d probably want to lean toward OLED for the better shadow detail/blacks & more natural colours.

No mention of burn-in?

I still use a plasma 😅