Boxes don't normally talk, obviously all Mimics

There can be multiple answers. Just because your solution fully works doesn't mean you should trust it. You need to prove it's the only correct solution

Love games like this, since you're only allowed to backseat if you use formal logic and set theory

Frieren would open both.

Im pretty sure this "style" is because the game is developed in RPG Maker. Unless you work really hard all games developed with that software have this look!

Youve been told that sometimes you might have to proceed without opening a single chest. So, yes, of course there can be situations where multiple things could equally be true.

all the times when there are 2 mimics and you are still thinking with 1 mimic and just assuming statements repeated twice are true are just killing me and then you gt lucky and they are right

20:47 - Yes, there can be multiple "consistent" options. For that puzzle, you can work out at least one of the left 2 is a mimic, and at least one of the middle 2 is a mimic, to the right can't be, so the bottom middle can't be so the top middle is. But you cannot tell if the top left or the bottom left is a mimic. After considering the other boxes on the bottom, the top left is equivalent to "the box below me is a mimic" and you have no way to tell which is the mimic, so you don't open any.

"Oh no, I am NOT falling for that anymore! Mimics always lie, don't they? Then clearly, this implies Mimics are sapient! Therefore, if all treasure chests here can talk, then they are ALL Mimics! I think we should move on, Himmel. This place is dangerous." - Some 10 000 year-old elf girl, probably

I love how the viewer can also play along really easily

It gets so hard at the 4th and 5th mode :) Also when the game gets harder actually conserving weapon durability really matters so the battles start mattering slightly more. Also also there is an item which allows you to survive a mimic (once) but it is expensive so you have to decide if you are confident (and a benefit of this system is that runs aren't that long so having one logic mistake killing you is not as brutal as it otherwise could be whilst completely stopping people guessing when they aren't sure just because they have the health or whatever).

It's always easy to backseat, but I think a kudos is deserved for the sheer speed you were doing these in. I had to race to try and solve it before you did and the only times I won were when you went back to double check your work because you actually had something at stake for getting it wrong. It just goes to show that there's more to solving these puzzles than trying to find a singular truth to work from.

One thing I noticed is that you may be wasting attack items on enemies that you will already one-hit What I mean is it may not always be the best idea to click “equip best” if you don’t need to waste durability on weak enemies

Seeing you crack these so fast makes me realize I‘m an overthinker

Game about finding out which chests are mimics. *All the chests can talk*

When in a 50/50 situation it's better to open neither

just discovered your channel and will start binge watching all the other videos after this! youre funny af

The comment below me is a mimic.

Awesome game, and i love how your career shines through this game.

It's a fun little game, but seems uncomplete. An indicator of current floor would be easy to implement and it would add a lot, and the progress seems too linear to call it a dungeon crawler. Maybe floors with different paths could add depth to the gameplay.

speaking of logic puzzle games: have you heard of Isle of Insight, I definitely wouldn't be upset about an Olenky looks at Isles of Insight. It's an MMO puzzle game, lots of different puzzle types including "Meta" puzzles

Olexa here is a quick tip or few. 1. There is an item that one can buy (Tho overly pricy that let's you ignore 1 mimic hitting you) 2. (This one works on only 1 mimic) when a Red box states "There is 1 mimic in a red box" it can't be a mimic as it esentially calls itself out hence it is not a mimic. 3. if there are more than one mimic and a box states there are 2 mimics in black boxes and there is only 1 black box that is obv a mimic. 4. if there are 2 mimics and one box states there is only 1 mimic in blue with there being more than 1 blue box this statement can be a mimic (so be carefull) 5. on more than one mimic if one states there is one or more mimic in blue or (There is a mimic in blue) and the chest is blue saying this I belive this is a true statement is not a predetermined amount. 6. have least one blue orb on yah as if you get to a situation like you got 2-3 boxes solved in a puzzle but the rest are all contradictory and impossible to figure out wich is the Mimic as it is essentially a 50/50 here open all the safe chests then use the blue orb this could eather A: give you 1 more chest or B: Solve the rest of the puzzle and all chests can now be opened because the puzzle broke due to 1 more chest being safe. (as this can sniff out a mimic or two). YW

I hope we get more of this with it being March. I love this game so much as a spectator.

Can we watch northernlion? We have northernlion at home. Northernlion at home:

That was awesome I was on the edge of my seat

Please play more Would love to watch it!!

I just wish the roguelike aspect was more about the logic part, not the "fight". There's a thing to awaken boxes and reveal one, but there could be more, passives, synergies, etc.

This is not a dungeon that you should tackle without increasing "Slow down hunger rate" as much as you can before your adventure. B8 06:12 At least one of the top left and bottom right has to be lying, so both middle boxes cannot be lying. Therefore, the top left and bottom right are the liars. The bottom left box must tell the truth, thus the mimic is the bottom right box, and the top left is the confused box. B14 09:07 Left, centre, and bottom right are not mimics, otherwise all 3 would be lying. The only remaining black box, the bottom left, is claiming that itself is a mimic, so it has to be the confused box. Which makes top left the mimic. Unfortunately, all this means that the blue box was telling the truth… Honestly though, I'd have liked to see how one would die from that, since your gut was more than enough for that. B18 11:29 I don't know how you missed this, but none of the boxes have any gold. That clearly makes top left a liar. B22 14:39 Top left and bottom middle contradict each other, as do bottom left and bottom right. That makes the centre and middle right boxes telling the truth, otherwise we'd have four liars. If top right was lying, then one of top left and bottom middle is confused. Thus, the other two liars must be mimics. Then the top right is a mimic, and so is the bottom left. (The confused box is bottom middle.) If top right was telling the truth, then so is the bottom left, thus the bottom right is lying. But is it a mimic, or is it confused? If it's the former, then top left is telling the truth, which makes bottom middle the other mimic, and the confused box is middle left. However, this is impossible, as the top row must have at least one mimic. If it's the latter, then top left is lying and is a mimic, and the other liar, the top middle, is also a mimic. So we have two different possibilities for the mimics here: top left and top middle, or top right and bottom left. You need one crystal ball to expose the safe pair. B24 18:45 There must be at least one liar among top left, bottom left and bottom right, as well as between top right and middle right, and also exactly one liar between centre and middle right. So there can be at most one liar among the remaining four boxes. Suppose middle left is lying, then top middle must be telling the truth. So the bottom right would be a mimic. Top right must tell the truth, so middle right would be the other mimic. But there's a contradiction, as neither mimic is in the top row. Thus, middle left must be telling the truth. So both red boxes are safe (although one may be confused). By extension, bottom middle must also be telling the truth, otherwise we would have two confused boxes (bottom middle and top right). Next we assume that top right is telling the truth. Then middle right is a mimic, centre is telling the truth, and the other mimic is top left. But then there would be no mimics in the bottom row, resulting in another contradiction. Thus, top right must be a liar, and is the blue box mimic. So middle right is confused, and centre is telling the truth. The final liar, and other mimic, is bottom right. B26 20:26 We have three boxes saying the same thing. So suppose all of them are lying, the remaining six must be telling the truth. They must be side by side, so middle right and bottom middle are the only options. But then centre would also have to be lying. So those three boxes must be telling the truth. It's easy to check that the three liars are top middle, top right, and bottom right (the latter being a mimic for sure), but finding the confused box is impossible without a crystal ball. B28 21:22 You've already identified the three liars, so the other six, including the top right, must be telling the truth, so the confused box must be middle right.

The art stule of this game reminds me of Crystalis on the NES

When you died I think the logic sequence was wrong because what you had made sense, but what the true answer also made sense. If the bottom right black box had specified that the left-most box was not a mimic it would have been sound but the way it was worded had been consistent with boxes being on the immediate left rather than far left. The dev should fix that because thats clearly a bug.

20:46 Shared pair: they are the same thing. Opposite pair: they are opposite things. Conditional pair: if one is true, both are paired. Logic: 1. The center column pair together. You know there is a mimic there as an opposite pair. 2. Bottom right claims one of those paired above isn’t a mimic. This makes those two a shared pair. *A1.* Bottom middle and Bottom right are mimics. 3. Top right claims itself and bottom right are a conditional shared pairing. This invalidates the solution A1, since Top Right cannot be a third Mimic. *A2.* Top Center and Top Right are Mimics. Even if this solution is false, Bottom Center and Bottom Right have to be Chests due to being a shared pair, and Top Center has to be a Mimic. 4. Top Left claims at least 1 Mimic is on the bottom row. Also, Bottom Left makes them an opposite pair. Both options for truth invalidate A2, by either forcing Top Left to be a Mimic or forcing Bottom Left. We now know Top Center has to be a Mimic, and the other is in the left column. But none of the other chests clue you in to which it is. The safe solution is to only open 3 chests, and don’t touch the left side.

Your first dearh was because it said the box on 'the left' instead of 'my left'

It's like I'm watching Northernlions brother

32:14 No it does not have to be correct. This is not a great starting point. Black box can be a mimic and say "There is no mimic among the black boxes" which would be a lie, which is wrong but there is no contradiction since mimic lies/says wrong things. So it can be a mimic. This time it was not only by luck. Fun video otherwise, but mistakes were made for sure :D. Still with 7 boxes and only 2 mimics choosing one at random and saying this one is not will most of the time be correct and very often if it is will lead to a contradiction. So there was some luck involved but not a huge amount. Cheers!

This is a good idea and something new

ive seen this but i thought it was just like a little video thingymabob i didnt know it was an actual game

Truly the greatest to ever do it

The problem at 20:00 was that the the four on the right could only be Mimic safe Safe safe Which has no mimics on the bottom, which means the two chest on the far left only refer to themselves and it’s impossible to know which is the mimic or not, just like in the thumbnail for the video actually

You missed some stuff at the village during your 7 box run. Looked like a shovel and a buried item.

Oooh, if you like logic puzzles have you seen cracking the cryptic channel with their crazy sudoku's? Some of the puzzles are so insane

What, i just, how at 20:53, you lost? There's 2 solutions, if you look only at what you have marked. "The bottom row contains one mimic" is satisfied, because of number 4 (I will call each chest 1,2,3 for the first row and 4,5,6 for the bottom row), "The box below me is NOT a mimic" (it's not if we consider it's mimic) is correct ex... and if we look for all of them, the configuration you've said is right too, and i thought about the one you've choose.

the timer is a little stressful, i like to take my time in games like these. i think the timer should be like best record time instead of a gut timer run out mechanic

Hit by a mimic should reduce your health and give you something like mimic curse to make rest of game harder because there's to many ways to heal to max hp

24:53 **Takes one damage** I AM GOING TO DIE!

at 18:30, is there any real way to guess the correct two? I feel like the only correct answer is to leave all 3 since I don't think the far left column statements can be proven or disproven.

Well, its not allways deductively conclusive. So you have to make a choice wether youll risk a 50/50 chance of opening a wrong box or leave one more behind. Or maybe 6 more boxes behind because you cant know any of them are safe.

this is an awesome game

8:03 you can solve this by only reading the top two, which immediately contradict

I'm torn on this one because I guess the combat and rpg elements are there because the dev found the game wasn't engaging enough without them. On the other hand, the puzzle element is obviously the thing I want to interact most in the game but it gets hindered by the other systems demanding some attention.

bro is CEO of Mimic Logic

I can tell this was made in RPG Maker just because I recognize sound effects from FNaFb CC

15:06 well yes but no, since DemonCrawl got 50/50s so if you play good Minesweeper you only need items against 50/50s

The visual style and janky controls are inevitable with RPG Maker. It's not the best game engine, but I'm glad it is so accessible.

Went and bought this game after seeing this.

10:44 AYOOOOO

Frieren wants to know your location.

Isn't the music from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon?

Trusting 2 identical statements when there can be 2 mimics is killing me

On the thumbnail, clearly the black chest is the mimic.

"This game is becoming an RPG" well since it was made on an RPG Maker engine, then, the game is a mimic...

Is every puzzle game KZfaqr named Tyler? (Aliensrock, Olexa, ect.)

Buns 30G Lottery tickets 400G Equipment 0G Candies 3,600G Usable items 130G someone who is good at adventuring please help me budget this. my party is starving.

It's in RPG Maker, there is only one look, basically.

20:55 "The box on the left" is quite ambiguous. "on my left" or "on the far left" both seem like valid interpretations. Is that intended?

You should play rainwolf dlc

To think does a RPG maker game to get this publicity it is nice KeeperRl is finally hitting the 1.0 give it a go you probably like it.

If 2 boxes state the same statement, they are not necessarily stating the truth. They could both be lying. You need to check that option too.

god's strongest soldier forges ahead despite suffering the most dreadful of maladies (tummy hurts)

I sometimes get annoyed with how you title your videos like every game is amazing, but this is honestly pretty good and I'll probably buy it

I said, i cast Fireball!

top right must be the liar, because the other 3 could be all truthful

Both chests are a mimmick, because they're talking. (I haven't watched yet, just saw the thumbnail >.>)

This mimic is a mimic

genius game

I liked the part where he said "gut".

I just saved $3 by listening to this video

That mimic puzzle was flaws. Obviously top right was the mimic because chests don't call themselves 'me'

This game looks great but surely the minimum system requirements of "Graphics: NVDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti" is a mistake, otherwise wtf are the devs doing?

Yesterday I laughed while I was playing tiny rogues because I found a robe which prompted some questions, and the correct answer was to "answer like tyler would". Suffice to say, you had give the most nonsensical answer possible. Now I feel dumb because the guy is zooming through the puzzles...

Made in RPG maker is crazy lol

No one show this to Frieren 😂

So I just use the tableaux method and I win

At this point I think I'm mimic

This Hydration comment is BRILLIANT

25 minutes in, you spent as much as you could on attack candy and walked out of the shop with no weapon. It might have been better to buy one fewer candy and get the muramasa with the rest of your money.

It would be muchmore interesting if the mimic lied 50% of the zime.

first one took the homie a little too long

Where the demon crawl at?

ok we're all thinking the combat segment is lacking honestly like kip said they couldve definetly focused more on the logic part than the combat parts in regards to items especially since the mimics already kill you instantly if you fumble they could have introduced special chests that always lie or just make the combat more interesting adding gut health to add pressure was so genius but you can just buy gut buffs with the metaprogression this game has such a cool idea with the mimic based gameplay thst gives you loot to do shenanigans but goddamn the execution with the shenanigans are just disappointing

both chests are talking. THERE BOTH MIMICS.

OK, it costs just 2,70$ in my region, so it's not bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe it will have more fun with more hard logic puzzles. I understand that RPG Maker is a simple game engine, but games with it looks so... outdated???

Day 5 of asking Olexa to play Hexpire

MORE CUBE CHAOSSSSS¡!!!!!!!!

In service of fairness, newb-friendliness, and variety, I'd like if there were multiple types of mimic, namely: Thieving Mimic: Steals several items when opened, probably like 1/5 of your floor count with a minimum of 3 items or something. This is the baby-mode mimic and they get less common as you go deeper. Biting Mimic: Does 5 points of damage per floor with a minimum of 30, maybe more on higher difficulties. Your defense bonus from armor is doubled for this, but the damage your armor takes is also double. Vile Mimic: Reduces your current Gut by half, (You puke). You also suffer from Thieving Mimic effects on your food items, though some items are specifically immune to this effect. Bitter Mimic: Permanently lowers a random set of stats by the equivalent of 1 random candy per 4 floors of depth (Dear God have mercy). Cannot lower a stat's maximum below half your starting value. This safety net is removed on the highest difficulty. Wicked Mimic: Applies a semi-permanent negative effect, a curse more specifically. These are usually bans on one item type (Spears, Swords, Guns, Light Armor, Heavy Armor, Foods, Potions, Candies, Scrolls, Orbs, Etc.) Sometimes the curse drops a random stat by like 10 or something (Not below half starting value). Wickid Mimic effects can be removed in towns, or in shrine rooms for a heafty fee (Though that fee removes all curses at once). Jacked Mimic: Immediately starts a combat with a boss-level enemy. He gets the first move, and each attack he makes also destroys a non-mimic chest (Not guranteed to be unopened though).

Frieren...

Who else saw the thumbnail and thought they were both telling the truth?

huh? first you said one box tells the truth - whether a mimic or not, has nothing to do with the truth - "there is only 1 mimic that lies" that makes 3 mimics that tell the truth

A logic puzzle game that looks like it was on the SNES and has intentionally stupid dialog? Already worth 3 dollars even if my PC could not run it.

Just shoot the chest with an arrow. If it's a mimic it'll spring to its feet, angry at you and you'll have plenty of time to defend yourself. If it's not, you'll just get a THUNK and a wasted arrow. (dark souls reference)

I like the game dont get me wrong, vut its painful to watch the logic go so slow, no offense cuz you try to explain it, i think as for a content creator that is the right choice but id wat rather play it myself