Frédéric Chopin - Cello Sonata in G minor

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- Composer: Frédéric François Chopin (22 February or 1 March 1810 -- 17 October 1849)
- Performers: Truls Mørk (cello), Kathryn Stott (piano)
- Year of recording: 2006
Sonata for Cello & Piano in G minor, Op. 65, CT. 204, written in 1845-1846.
00:00 - I. Allegro moderato
15:07 - II. Scherzo. Allegro con brio
19:48 - III. Largo
24:01 - IV. Finale. Allegro
Chopin's cello sonata, Op. 65, was his last major work. Apart from the piano, the cello was the only instrument for which Chopin composed substantial amounts of music; in 1832 he had written the Grand Duo Concertant for the cellist Auguste Franchomme. In part because of the presence of the cello, and in greater part because of the formal characteristics of the piece, the composition of the cello sonata occupied Chopin for an unusually long period. He worked on it through 1845 and well into 1846, sketching and drafting as he had not done before, and at one point complaining to his sister, "I write a little and cross out a lot." Extant sketches show that Chopin did indeed discard an incredible amount of material and redrafted most of his ideas before deciding on the final form of the work. The piece was printed in Paris in 1847. Chopin and Franchomme premiered the sonata in Paris to great acclaim, in what was to be the last performance of Chopin's career.
Much of Chopin's anguish stemmed from his difficulties in the shaping the relationship between the two instruments. That he mostly composed the cello part first was perhaps at the heart of the matter, for Chopin was forced to curb his keyboard tendencies and remove himself from his natural idiom. It is no surprise that the piano part often sounds uncharacteristic of Chopin. Furthermore, because he chose to engage himself with the Germanic sonata idea, as he had in his piano sonatas, he had to set aside his predilection for ternary forms with codas and achieve contrast and develop logical structures in new and unfamiliar ways.
Chopin takes great care to distribute the material equally between the cello and piano, and he accomplishes this goal in a variety of ways. For instance, in the first group of themes in the first movement we hear passages of piano solo, piano with cello accompaniment, cello with a substantial piano counter-subject, cello with only light piano accompaniment, and counterpoint in which the two partners are equal. After the second group opens with rounded phrases for each instrument, a three-part invention involving both instruments ensues. The Germanic aspect of the movement becomes clear in Chopin's development of an integrated sonata form from a few related motives. Inversion and other transformations of motives from the first few measures occur even in the exposition. One of the cello's most important motives, a rising and falling half-step, comes not from the main theme but from prefatory material, and what seem like mere connective gestures evolve into parts of themes. It is not surprising that Chopin moves to the relative major (B flat), but what is striking is his path--a string of dominant-seventh harmonies--toward this goal. Throughout, Chopin diminishes the punctuating potential of his cadences by writing continuous melody over them, giving a sense of constant growth.
Chopin creates relationships among the four movements of the sonata through melodic references. The primary cello motive of the first movement, a rising and falling half-step, opens the lush second movement, the folksy scherzo, and the tarantella finale--further evidence that Chopin was consciously experimenting with German compositional methods. The clear divisions between cello and piano in the second movement contrast with the more integrated use of the instruments in the first movement, while the finale sounds, at times, like Mendelssohn. The end result is a unique, un-Chopinesque work.
The cello sonata is dedicated to Auguste Franchomme.

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@jonathanchavez9009
@jonathanchavez9009 3 жыл бұрын
The way the pianist keeps the chord at 12:06 sustained and then uses that resonance as a backdrop for the dolce passage afterwards is such an amazingly subtle detail that makes the sound so warm and full. Love this piece
@cinnamonsteakhaus9013
@cinnamonsteakhaus9013 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant ears !
@markokkare
@markokkare 2 жыл бұрын
So true!
@sebastian-benedictflore
@sebastian-benedictflore 2 жыл бұрын
I just realised the pianist is Kathryn Stott! I met her recently after her concert where she played Vaughan-Williams concerto for 2 pianos and orchestra with Noriko Ogawa and the BBCSO
@sebastian-benedictflore
@sebastian-benedictflore Жыл бұрын
@Tjokkaflens tf
@jonathan130
@jonathan130 3 ай бұрын
I didn’t know chopin wrote this kind of music. All i can say is that this is amazing
@LEANDROCELLO
@LEANDROCELLO 5 жыл бұрын
Good luck finding a pianist who's willing to run such a marathon :D
@arturoromero951
@arturoromero951 4 жыл бұрын
Then try looking at Rachmaninov cello sonata or 20th century sonatas like Shostakovich
@nathangred5181
@nathangred5181 4 жыл бұрын
This is not bad being a sonata for cello AND piano.
@dylan8575
@dylan8575 4 жыл бұрын
I played the Rachmaninov my Freshman year of college and my pianist hated me. When i gave it to her she looked at me and said “seriously”
@8beef4u
@8beef4u 3 жыл бұрын
@@dylan8575 This is generally true about accompaniment by piano. This piano is usually more difficult than the main instrument. Beethoven, Rach, etc. Maybe because they were pianists and expected more from them. who knows
@alejandrom.4680
@alejandrom.4680 3 жыл бұрын
@@8beef4u As a composer, you have much more knowledge in your main instrument, and you know how the fingers work on it, in difference to for example, the cello. You composer harder stuff for the instruments you know, since you don't need to ask for a performer to revise if the fingering and the double stops. Is complicated to compose for something you can't play, and Chopin wasn't the brightest in terms of orchestration either, so is expected to be a sonata for piano AND cello rather than sonata for cello lmao.
@rain-qb2xv
@rain-qb2xv 5 жыл бұрын
I think if Chopin lived longer, he would've written for a lot more instruments just as Liszt did in his later years and expanded his style a lot more like this piece, it has so many new elements.
@alepiano8685
@alepiano8685 5 жыл бұрын
There is no if in history
@eduardorabelo5642
@eduardorabelo5642 4 жыл бұрын
this makes Liszt indisputably more important than Chopin in the history of music. Work like Totentanz, Nuages Gris and Faust Simphony show Liszt's versatility in contrast to Chopin's persistence in his comfort zone.
@rain-qb2xv
@rain-qb2xv 4 жыл бұрын
@@eduardorabelo5642 Both composers are great in their own contribution. To say one is greater than the other is not giving them justice. Although Liszt's music more versatile in the sense that he was more bold in textures and colours, he was also a hit or miss composer, having written hundreds of compositions but majority are unknown to the typical classical musician. Compare this to Chopin who wrote only a handle and have had devoted followings who have dedicated their entire lives to studying his music. Although I agree that Chopin could've written more pieces outside of his 'comfort zone' in the realm of orchestral and had more textures, the fact that he didn't solidified who he was as a composer. A pure pianist, and if you've played enough of his music, you will know how genius every composition he writes is. I don't want to put Liszt in a bad light but besides his main repertoire, some pieces by him feels like he wrote them for the sake of writing and to be a show piece. He also didn't have to live knowing that he could never return home to see his family, as Chopin did so comfort zone is debatable. Also, going back to the point of importance, Chopin revolutionised the piano with musicality written into the piano etudes. Invention of the instrumental ballade, development of the mazurkas and polonaise, 2 definitive piano concertos which are almost always in any pianist repertoire if they are serious in their career and how can we forget just his beautiful singing style written into the piano. Without Chopin, today's piano repertoire would be incredibly boring, without liszt. that is debatable.
@tuberobotto
@tuberobotto 4 жыл бұрын
I personally believe that Chopin never thought of himself as a "symphonist", and surveying his works tend to impress upon me that he favors writing for the piano almost exclusively not because he's lazy or uninventive, but rather that to him, the piano is and has always been the most accessible tool for self-expression. For an artist who brings a very personal touch to his works almost as if every piece is laid on a small canvas, orchestral music or music written for instruments other than the piano, must perhaps be a remote goal especially since there are no records of Chopin playing skilfully other instruments. Could it be a reflection of an introvert and melancholic personality? A "loner" type? For sure his personality is not as flamboyant and loud as Liszt who is said to be a woman's man and very good at publishing himself. I make this point because I believe that one's personality (and even upbringing) can have a direct and indirect effect on one's character as a musician and composer, thus affecting his artistic output as regards shape or form. This is just a personal opinion of mine that somehow convinces me why Chopin writes exclusively for the piano, and the cello having a sound that's usually somber and mellow, almost melancholic, is a second preferred instrument.
@thegreenpianist7683
@thegreenpianist7683 4 жыл бұрын
Chopin did indeed compose almost exclusively for the piano, but there are two ways that one can see that: one is that he is not versatile enough not writing any symphonies, operas, masses, nor for other instruments therefore he isn't as "great" of a composer, the other way however is that the fact that he could be where he is (and was when he was alive), the fact that he touched and influenced countless people both from his time and up until now, his ability to gain universal acclaim with ONLY the piano speaks of his greatness as a composer, I am obviously in favor of the second argument but the thing is I find that, even for the piano itself, he was able to creates pieces of music worlds of difference apart, within the piano realm he was able to express all sorts of emotions and contrast with unbelievable beauty and genius, I have said this somewhere before and I'll say it again, if Chopin was the ONLY composer to ever exist and create music I wouldn't mind at all, and I don't feel that way about any other composer.
@julieminuit4050
@julieminuit4050 2 жыл бұрын
I never had enough listening when my beloved husband played Chopin!
@rachid_abderahmanebaghdali2179
@rachid_abderahmanebaghdali2179 8 жыл бұрын
This is the first time that i hear this sonata, it's so elegant and powerful, it's such a great performance !!!
@olla-vogala4090
@olla-vogala4090 8 жыл бұрын
+RACHID_ABDERAHMANE Baghdali I'm glad you enjoy it! :)
@jackhousman6637
@jackhousman6637 7 жыл бұрын
His piano trio is very fine, too. And his Grande Duo Concertante for cello and piano.
@jeffreychan6357
@jeffreychan6357 7 жыл бұрын
You should check out the recording of this piece by Rostropovich and Argerich!!!
@DanielKodiak
@DanielKodiak 4 жыл бұрын
This is my first listen also, I’m a couple mins in and it’s really good. I hope you’re a cellist too :)
@RafikCezanneTV
@RafikCezanneTV 2 жыл бұрын
Way ahead of its time. Sounds fresh and modern from the day it was written. Thank you for posting.
@davidrehak3539
@davidrehak3539 6 жыл бұрын
Fréderic Chopin:g-moll Gordonkaszonáta Op.65 1.Allegro moderato 00:05 2.Scherzo:Allegro con brio 15:07 3.Largo 19:48 4.Finálé:Allegro 24:01 Truls Mørk-gordonka Kathryn Stott-zongora
@davidrehak3539
@davidrehak3539 6 жыл бұрын
Köszönöm az értékelést
@hal7ter
@hal7ter 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jf2602
@jf2602 4 жыл бұрын
So 1st mvt is as long as the total of the other 3
@PieInTheSky9
@PieInTheSky9 Жыл бұрын
Chopin was well ahead of his time with this. This is firmly in the Late Romantic style.
@adamproduction6834
@adamproduction6834 7 жыл бұрын
The piece is 11 years ahead maybe 20. Very melancholic, and beautiful
@jessekaiser21
@jessekaiser21 4 жыл бұрын
Pro tip: pianists appreciate it when you write important and active parts for them in collaborative works such as this. I love pieces like this where the two instruments swap the lead role and, at times, are equal. If one instrument takes the spotlight the whole time, it grows dull for me.
@jacobbass6437
@jacobbass6437 2 жыл бұрын
It’s why I love pieces like Maslanka’s and Creston’s saxophone sonatas.
@Lalulalala824
@Lalulalala824 2 жыл бұрын
I am currently writing a violin sonata... and I was actually quite afraid that I was giving too much of the important (and complex) material to the piano part, and that no pianist would be willing to put extra practice time to play a piece in which they're not soloists, and that no violinist would want to share half of the central material with an accompanist...
@Lalulalala824
@Lalulalala824 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChristovanRensburg thanks for the answer! A bit of a digression but is there any composer in the canon, whose music , you find, often employs unidiomatic writing? And does it make you less interested in it?
@StevenPJames-fl1un
@StevenPJames-fl1un 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lalulalala824 Brahms and Franck
@sebastian-benedictflore
@sebastian-benedictflore 2 жыл бұрын
Yes but we don't appreciate when it's this difficult 🤣
@sabrinaschantz
@sabrinaschantz 2 жыл бұрын
4:44 the transition to the repeat is so genius, rarely do i come across good repeated sections that blend well
@sebastian-benedictflore
@sebastian-benedictflore 2 жыл бұрын
This wasn't the best but it was pretty good for Chopin. I feel as though quite a few of his repeats are really quite horrible, e.g. Piano Sonata 2
@jamessebastianliauw6959
@jamessebastianliauw6959 23 күн бұрын
​@@sebastian-benedictflore thats because people repeat from the doppio movimento, not the grave as in chopin's manuscript. i also see the same issue in beethoven pathetique sonata
@jamessebastianliauw6959
@jamessebastianliauw6959 23 күн бұрын
A repeat from the grave spunds musically amazing
@chickennoob7478
@chickennoob7478 11 күн бұрын
@@jamessebastianliauw6959Just as an elaboration of the point: Chopin originally wrote the barline connecting the introduction and expo 1st subject as double bar line, but due to the ink is not clear, the publishers misunderstood the double barline as a repeat sign. This was fixed by later editions (Which was edited by Brahms) but yet the interpretation of repeating the exposition from doppio movimento has already become the norm. Famous pianist, such as Zimmerman, Martha Argerich, etc. has their repeat following the first edition, and somehow their astonishing interpretation was musically incomplete due to such mistakes. Later a certain music historian and theorists (I don’t remember his name tho) pointed out how the first edition ruined Chopin’s ingenuity: The exposition should first get into much higher tension (like in the manuscript) and resolve into a Dominant 13b9 chord so that the sonata become musically make sense, and repeating the exposition through a deceptive cadence ruins the tension. Conversely, Beethoven’s repeat is definitely in exposition but not from the introduction as he would like to keep the Moto perpetual until the alteration taken in the start of development.
@chickennoob7478
@chickennoob7478 11 күн бұрын
Note: The argument regarding Chopin’s sonata is cited from Musical Seacow (音樂家的無聊人生), an amazing Chinese channel sharing interesting story behind music
@letsschubertiad1966
@letsschubertiad1966 3 жыл бұрын
One of the most moving pieces ever composed.
@horsthornung2424
@horsthornung2424 Жыл бұрын
not really
@PieInTheSky9
@PieInTheSky9 Жыл бұрын
I agree
@trebleclef9844
@trebleclef9844 11 ай бұрын
@@horsthornung2424yes it is
@beeshin9945
@beeshin9945 2 жыл бұрын
Chopin really knows how to write cello parts
@sethgordon4464
@sethgordon4464 8 жыл бұрын
Brahms seems to have been really inspired by this when he wrote his cello sonata no. 1!
@danielfeygin1216
@danielfeygin1216 4 жыл бұрын
And Rachmaninoff
@samueljett7807
@samueljett7807 3 жыл бұрын
I just listened to that, then listened to this and thought the same thing
@fernandodavila9563
@fernandodavila9563 Жыл бұрын
Yes.....its
@tak5098
@tak5098 2 жыл бұрын
3:59 i love this piano moment
@user-tu7jn9zw4z
@user-tu7jn9zw4z 2 ай бұрын
Me After thinking that I have listened to all the pieces of the greats of classical music, I can't find anything more beautiful than my playlist anthologies. Chopin at the same moment:
@WolfyGreen
@WolfyGreen 7 жыл бұрын
Elegant, heartfelt, musical poetry. Chopin's taste and melodic fluency are finely blended with musical experiment and late inventiveness.
@TheBrokenFenix
@TheBrokenFenix 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this great record and the notes in the video. This help me studying this sonata on a different level.
@aha2700
@aha2700 2 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful sonata!!!
@willie2639
@willie2639 6 жыл бұрын
I Love this Work of Art--Excellent Performance--Bravo!!
@harryandruschak2843
@harryandruschak2843 7 жыл бұрын
Like" on 25 December 2016, and will be going to bed as soon as this is over. A perfect way to end the day.
@EmilyRafferty
@EmilyRafferty 2 жыл бұрын
I love this piece so much! I found it when I was a kid and have loved it ever since
@horsthornung2424
@horsthornung2424 Жыл бұрын
good for you
@amerrylittlemonarch
@amerrylittlemonarch 10 ай бұрын
@@horsthornung2424 shut up
@user-bz5bp6gq8m
@user-bz5bp6gq8m 11 ай бұрын
5:07 - 5:13 I really like this brief fast passage.
@plcooper2660
@plcooper2660 2 жыл бұрын
My Cello and Orchestra arrangement of this piece as "Cello Concerto in G minor": Woodwinds: 2 Flutes 2 Oboes 2 Clarinets (in Bb and C) 2 Bassoons Brass: 4 Horns (1 and 2 in Bb alto and F, 3 and 4 in G, D and Eb) 2 Trumpets (in C and D, Largo tacet) Bass Trombone (Largo tacet) Percussion: Timpani (Largo tacet) Strings
@r0ni3_
@r0ni3_ 11 ай бұрын
3:34 is chefs kiss 😭❤
@elias7748
@elias7748 2 жыл бұрын
I just wish his sickness didn’t take him away from us. All the pieces that were awaiting. All gone. And we will never hear what Chopin would sound like after October 1849. After we die, most of us think we either go to heaven or hell. I think there’s a third place where Chopin’s resting. A place for the greatest.
@wayneshandera4975
@wayneshandera4975 3 ай бұрын
The third movement was played exquisitely by Daniel Trifonov and Robert deMaine at the LA Philharmonic concert last weekend as an encore to the Brahms second PC
@hannesheinz720
@hannesheinz720 5 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for providing these fantastic video!
@jessicakespohl8340
@jessicakespohl8340 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful! Chopin most likely influenced Rachmaninoff, I hear Rach's 1st sonata here.
@samaritan29
@samaritan29 3 жыл бұрын
his 1st piano sonata or cello sonata?
@alexgu177
@alexgu177 2 жыл бұрын
@@samaritan29 Probably cello sonata? Could be more of a characteristic with the cello timbre itself, since I find that a lot of cello pieces have the same "profound" feeling.
@hugokubarth9316
@hugokubarth9316 Жыл бұрын
Wunderbar gespielt. Eine echte Entdeckung. Danke
@horsthornung2424
@horsthornung2424 Жыл бұрын
bitte bitte
@dihydrogenmonoxide5994
@dihydrogenmonoxide5994 7 жыл бұрын
I wish I could actually understand all of the music theory behind this cello sonata. It would be nice to see how Chopin did all of his composing so that I could come up with my own compositions but I guess I will have to learn the hard way and take a music composition class..
@Eorzat
@Eorzat 6 жыл бұрын
I think you should understand that music theory =/= composition. I could write a very detailed discourse on all the theory present in this sonata, but it doesn't mean that I could write like Chopin. Essentially, music theory is just the foundation that leads to composition. You still need to find your "voice."
@zackwyvern2582
@zackwyvern2582 5 жыл бұрын
Theory is for explaining musical ideas that you feel naturally. You can use theory to organize and categorize musical ideas, just as objective analysis of film or art is used to analyze why the natural ideas of the works worked so well. It is more important that you feel music come from you than for you to know how to categorize it.
@douwemusic
@douwemusic 4 жыл бұрын
@@zackwyvern2582 Ravel disagrees.
@gspaulsson
@gspaulsson 3 жыл бұрын
@@Eorzat music theory is distilled from compositional practice, not the other way around.
@Eorzat
@Eorzat 3 жыл бұрын
WilliamOccamensis It’s actually cyclic.
@BLOP888
@BLOP888 3 жыл бұрын
Kathryn Stott is a remarkable pianist
@cloud15489
@cloud15489 3 жыл бұрын
Gosh⋯ 14:25 that D... it‘s the most tragic note I heard in any piece.
@nikoh103
@nikoh103 3 жыл бұрын
A very interesting video description, thank you for that!
@vegetator
@vegetator 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for the description
@sebastian-benedictflore
@sebastian-benedictflore 2 жыл бұрын
I just realised the pianist is Kathryn Stott! I met her recently after her concert where she played Vaughan-Williams concerto for 2 pianos and orchestra with Noriko Ogawa and the BBCSO
@richardyu3591
@richardyu3591 4 жыл бұрын
very informative commentary - thank you!
@snowcarriagechengcheng-hun3454
@snowcarriagechengcheng-hun3454 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading!
@MrGer2295
@MrGer2295 7 жыл бұрын
Beautiful! Thanks for sharing!
@user-qf2tp2vt3t
@user-qf2tp2vt3t 8 жыл бұрын
СПАСИБО за прекрасные минуты, что я провела у телефона, наслаждаясь классикой! Красивая музыка, отличное звучание... Успокаивает нервы в три пятнадцать... теперь если что... Я знаю какой мне принять успокоительный релакс... ЕЩЁ РАЗ БЛАГОДАРЮ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@olla-vogala4090
@olla-vogala4090 8 жыл бұрын
+Алена Пинчукова Nje za shto :)
@SR-jx8yu
@SR-jx8yu 4 жыл бұрын
It's all about the piano! Wonderful music ... but the piano part if sooooo difficult!
@robertcohn8858
@robertcohn8858 7 жыл бұрын
An exciting and gorgeous performance!
@mrbrianmccarthy
@mrbrianmccarthy 2 жыл бұрын
One of Chopins more obtuse pieces. Unlike most of Chopins pieces which are easily comprehensible on the first hearing, this sonata (especially the 1st mvt) requires more attention and repeated listenings before it becomes more clear. Its too bad Chopin didnt live longer, he would have written more chamber pieces like this for sure. (His trio (op 8) for piano, cello and violin is a wonderful piece as well.)
@Julius29387
@Julius29387 5 жыл бұрын
2. Theme is sooooo beautiful...
@damienheemskerk
@damienheemskerk 3 жыл бұрын
1:33 is so fenomenal
@pedrofuster9161
@pedrofuster9161 3 жыл бұрын
And then 11:14
@epicsam12345
@epicsam12345 3 жыл бұрын
24:03 Chopin’s Canon in f minor put to use here
@luispalma6480
@luispalma6480 4 жыл бұрын
Amo su música.
@millerphilip3585
@millerphilip3585 3 жыл бұрын
Am subscribed to this channel from every device in the house🥰
@TheJim39
@TheJim39 7 жыл бұрын
magnifique !
@curaticac5391
@curaticac5391 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the post, and for the very interesting associated comments!
@jesuistotoleheros6311
@jesuistotoleheros6311 5 жыл бұрын
Magnifique
@victorheredia7185
@victorheredia7185 3 жыл бұрын
Esta música es magica
@_Hammy_
@_Hammy_ Жыл бұрын
Largo goes hard Ngl
@user-kj9mq1ht5r
@user-kj9mq1ht5r 4 жыл бұрын
哇!好適合一邊禱告...
@alecpetrossian7459
@alecpetrossian7459 7 жыл бұрын
Beautiful music forever.
@philippecirse4872
@philippecirse4872 Ай бұрын
Подобно первым лучам зари, эта музыка открывает вам глаза на новые обещания и на все чудеса природы. Вызывая невероятные силы, эти произведения трогают струны сердца, вызывают ностальгию и пробуждают любовь, ободранные жизни и оцепенение измученных стражников
@Chelovyek
@Chelovyek 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. One observation: Is this a "cello sonata" or a sonata for piano and cello, with the piano being the dominant instrument, as the title page itself indicates? In any case, thanks!
@olla-vogala4090
@olla-vogala4090 7 жыл бұрын
Chopin composed it in such a way that the cello and piano are equals in the sonata. You can read a little about it in the description under the video.
@adriatorras8077
@adriatorras8077 6 жыл бұрын
olla-vogala, you are the best
@m.g.4060
@m.g.4060 2 жыл бұрын
the finale sounds like jazz to me. it's cool to see inspirations and how music evolved
@geronimodaloia6143
@geronimodaloia6143 2 ай бұрын
At 25:20 sounds just like something Brahms could have written
@christianvennemann9008
@christianvennemann9008 4 жыл бұрын
17:03 I feel like I've heard this part in movies and TV shows.
@Scherzokinn
@Scherzokinn 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe because the violin concerto by Tchaikovsky (that is way more famous than that) has a very, very similar melody, almost the same.
@leo32190
@leo32190 4 жыл бұрын
Lina Beskinn I hope you mean the Tchaikovsky is more populat
@Scherzokinn
@Scherzokinn 4 жыл бұрын
@@leo32190 yeah that's what I meant
@jf2602
@jf2602 4 жыл бұрын
Omg I just love love this part!
@TheTaimory1
@TheTaimory1 7 жыл бұрын
This is the greatest Cello sonata ever composed.
@samjellington115
@samjellington115 7 жыл бұрын
Frédéric François Chopin Rachmaninoff's Cello Sonata is 100 billion 3 hundred and forty three million, 9 hundred seventy two thousand five hundred and thirty one point one seven six times better.
@pg8982
@pg8982 6 жыл бұрын
This is Chopin we're talking here...piano, piano, piano, more piano. Just give this one to the cello.
@liamking5142
@liamking5142 6 жыл бұрын
Best cello sonata is Rachmaninov or Beethoven 3. Or possibly Franck, though that's more a violin sonata. But this one is still first rate.
@YotamIshay
@YotamIshay 6 жыл бұрын
definitely not true
@RozarSmacco
@RozarSmacco 6 жыл бұрын
You would say that
@gustavol_
@gustavol_ 2 жыл бұрын
This one and Rachmaninov's my favorite sonatas no doubt.
@horsthornung2424
@horsthornung2424 Жыл бұрын
good for you
@gustavol_
@gustavol_ Жыл бұрын
@@horsthornung2424 probably not for you
@karstenmok6543
@karstenmok6543 Жыл бұрын
29:05 reminds me of the polonaise fantasie
@user-jz2sx3ij1x
@user-jz2sx3ij1x 4 ай бұрын
Госпожа Виолончель Вы прекрасны....и Шопен....
@aldoringo439
@aldoringo439 3 жыл бұрын
Chopins last concert in Paris.
@otakuxgirl6
@otakuxgirl6 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Scherzokinn
@Scherzokinn 3 жыл бұрын
Too bad he didn't play the first movement! According to acquaintances, he did not play it because of it's controversy, people found it to to messy and dark if I recall correctly.
@pianistofmusic290
@pianistofmusic290 3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering what he played in that concert. Thank you, I didn’t know it was this!
@NiklasFischerComposer
@NiklasFischerComposer 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone else hear reminiscences of the first movement of Chopin's 2nd piano sonata Op. 35 in the progressions 9:23 - and 14:13 -?
@cesarbw100
@cesarbw100 4 жыл бұрын
Wooooo !
@titob.yotokojr.9337
@titob.yotokojr.9337 4 жыл бұрын
First time I heard this. I actually liked it very much but it sounded more like Brahms' composition rather than Chopin's.
@christianvennemann9008
@christianvennemann9008 4 жыл бұрын
Really? That's interesting. To me, this definitely sounds a lot more like Chopin's style.
@manuelbes
@manuelbes 4 жыл бұрын
I hear a lot of Rachmaninov in the first mvt
@akshitsharma8475
@akshitsharma8475 2 жыл бұрын
The piano part at the beginning sounds like chopin, but Chopin did it first.
@Evodem10
@Evodem10 7 жыл бұрын
The 3rd movement is my favourite
@minjuncho4157
@minjuncho4157 5 жыл бұрын
29:07
@leonivanka6656
@leonivanka6656 3 жыл бұрын
cool
@marichristian1072
@marichristian1072 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the closest I've heard to Brahms two cello concerti. Very fine performances.
@AndrewKierszenbaum
@AndrewKierszenbaum 11 ай бұрын
Always found it fascinating how Chopin “speeds up” the piano rhythm ONLY (with triplets) at the very end of mvmt 3 at 23:30 Shouldn’t pieces slow down at the end? 🤔
@ivanthecommunistspy1111
@ivanthecommunistspy1111 3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@Sasty
@Sasty 6 ай бұрын
Wow the end of the third movement !
@pauljo248
@pauljo248 7 жыл бұрын
This IS more like 'piano' sonata lol. It's funny that piano player need great technique (like most of chopin's piano etudes, etc.) but cello simply leads the melody through entire piece. But still a great and beautiful piece +I’ve played this piece for both piano and cello; it’s just my opinion that piano part is more difficult to play in terms of technique.
@jeffreychan6357
@jeffreychan6357 7 жыл бұрын
The piano part IS extraordinarily difficult, but the cello part isn't as easy as it sounds / looks either...
@RobinLSL
@RobinLSL 6 жыл бұрын
Par for the course for Chopin.
@polalabort8158
@polalabort8158 6 жыл бұрын
Paul Jo shut the fuck up
@tristanp1446
@tristanp1446 6 жыл бұрын
Pol Alabort lol where did this come from?
@steveegallo3384
@steveegallo3384 4 жыл бұрын
@@polalabort8158 -- Wow! Take no prisoners...eh, Marine?
@dresean3725
@dresean3725 5 жыл бұрын
The like to dislike ratio on this gives me hope in humanity
@pianosbloxworld4460
@pianosbloxworld4460 2 жыл бұрын
Chopin knew how to make things difficult for pianists, but what did the cellist think?
@user-ec8ms2ut1e
@user-ec8ms2ut1e 3 жыл бұрын
15:07
@JoelCastleton
@JoelCastleton 5 жыл бұрын
Who was the editor of that score, meaning, who wrote in the section letters, and fingering for the piano part? The section letters are in different places than the earlier version I printed from imslp.org, and obviously the first edition didn't have any fingering at all in the piano part.
@JoelCastleton
@JoelCastleton 5 жыл бұрын
Nevermind. I just realized that it says who the editor is at the beginning on the cover of the piece, right next to Chopin's profile. The editor is M. Balakirev.
@chunjao3877
@chunjao3877 2 жыл бұрын
19:23 sounds like g minor but actually ends up in D Major chord, so confusing lol. In fact I am waiting for a g minor chord at the end every time I hear this movement hahaha
@43ifymarie
@43ifymarie Ай бұрын
olyan a fülnek, mint az angyalok korusának zümmögése , a zeneszerző mit érezhetet mikor ezt komponálta , talán végtelen boldogságot. Varázslatosan hangzik, a mennyben érzem magam.
@louiswinterberg9617
@louiswinterberg9617 7 жыл бұрын
Why 22 Februar or 1 March? :o Thought it was the first march...
@olla-vogala4090
@olla-vogala4090 7 жыл бұрын
First alinea www.chopin.pl/biography_chopin.en.html
@louiswinterberg9617
@louiswinterberg9617 7 жыл бұрын
oh... thank you :)
@dmitriyatsenko5707
@dmitriyatsenko5707 Жыл бұрын
This sonata also sounds perfect with the 3rd mvt. omitted, instead skipping straight from the 2nd mvt. to the last, which picks up right where the 2nd mvt. left off (don't get me wrong, I like all 4 mvts, but also like listening to just mvts. I, II & IV, or even just I & IV (in that order)).
@jameshandaja1536
@jameshandaja1536 3 жыл бұрын
I heard the largo from Beethoven's first piano concerto, in the largo of this cello sonata...
@KenazTambunan
@KenazTambunan Жыл бұрын
29:06 epic moment
@ethansaltmere
@ethansaltmere 7 жыл бұрын
your commentary is very incorrect. if you were more steeped in the late music of chopin you would realise that this is part of his 'late' style which also made itself known in other late works of his like the polonaise fantasie. So to say it is 'un-Chopinesque' is very incorrect as it is the product of his entire compositional arc. don't write uninformed commentary as it gives a generation of listeners the wrong information
@jerry_moo
@jerry_moo 7 жыл бұрын
Ethan, I'd have to disagree on that. In this piece, I see Chopin trying to try something new. Of course in some points in the piece, it's still Chopin. But it's somewhat characteristically different than other Chopin pieces (i.e. that you just mentioned, the Polonaise-Fantaisie), that's how I feel about it though. And the end result, is a bit unorthodoxical for Chopin.
@ethansaltmere
@ethansaltmere 7 жыл бұрын
how is it different? It is full of similar ideas in this phase of Chopin's work... sudden Neapolitan shifts, very varied and dense counterpoint, theatrical cadenzas and flourishes to fill out the structure - tell me where it is different from works like the Polonaise-Fantasie
@jerry_moo
@jerry_moo 7 жыл бұрын
Since I can't describe the exact points and details of the piece on which why it differs from Polonaise-Fantaisie (I don't know much about music theory, though I know about counterpoint and I agree the sonata is pretty contrapuntal just like Polonaise-Fantaisie and his Fourth Ballade, and the sonata also contain cadenzas and fioritura-esque passages), I'll give ya this. I can't really word it properly, but the piece does feel different than his Nocturnes or other pieces. Even though basically, in essence; it's still Chopin, it doesn't feel much like Chopin. It's a bit Schubertian and a bit of Mendelssohn-like (like the video description said).
@hansjuergenkohlhaas871
@hansjuergenkohlhaas871 6 жыл бұрын
This seems to be a rather academic debate, I am right now into the 2nd and 3rd movements and are sometimes reminded of Mendelssohn's Lieder ohne Worte or some Schubertian phrases. Since Chopin lived with that repertoire of his day it would surprise me if he wasn't influenced and inspired by such for his own composing style without sacrificing his own creativity.
@viktorajstein
@viktorajstein 6 жыл бұрын
Its just copied and pasted from here: www.allmusic.com/composition/sonata-for-cello-piano-in-g-minor-op-65-ct-204-mc0002658127
@PP-wp2bx
@PP-wp2bx 4 ай бұрын
I am just wondering if certain pieces are composed just for the combination of certain instruments sake rather than inspiration. I think you would be able to notice when certain pieces are written without a real inspiration.
@qingpingye
@qingpingye Ай бұрын
17:04 Tchaikovsky violin concerto vibe😂
@ShaunakDesaiPiano
@ShaunakDesaiPiano Жыл бұрын
The beginning reminds me of Beethoven’s G minor sonata Op 41 no 1.
@TheGreenTaco999
@TheGreenTaco999 Жыл бұрын
26:12 26:30
@minjuncho4157
@minjuncho4157 3 жыл бұрын
4:53 non-repeat
@jackhousman6637
@jackhousman6637 7 жыл бұрын
Bet this beautiful work would be fine on the viola.
@bmort1313
@bmort1313 7 жыл бұрын
Well, the Arpeggione Sonata has been arranged for viola. I suppose it might work with viola, but with a few octave shifts in the score.
@zackwyvern2582
@zackwyvern2582 5 жыл бұрын
I don't see a problem with that. Music is for everyone to share. It's not some competition on which instrument receives a larger repertoire. Henri, you are very childish to have said such a thing!
@manuelbes
@manuelbes 4 жыл бұрын
@Henri Roy are you a twoset fan?
@sneddypie
@sneddypie 4 жыл бұрын
more like a piano piece with some cello sneaked in there
@Scherzokinn
@Scherzokinn 4 жыл бұрын
Imo it's more than "sneaked", I think it blends very well, too bad people treat it too much as a CELLO Sonata instead of Sonata for both instruments equally (as the title suggests), it makes much more sense when both of the instrument are equal tbh.
@charles-valentinalkan5681
@charles-valentinalkan5681 3 жыл бұрын
That's the thing I don't like about Chopin. He was unable to create some non-piano music.
@JamesZ32100
@JamesZ32100 3 жыл бұрын
@@charles-valentinalkan5681 But because of his sole focus on the piano, he created so many beautiful masterpieces
@Quotenwagnerianer
@Quotenwagnerianer 3 жыл бұрын
I think the dear Charles-Valentin was being tongue in cheek, because he himself is guilty of the exact same thing.
@lokmanmerican6889
@lokmanmerican6889 3 жыл бұрын
Actually there's plenty of cello in there. I once did play it in University; the second cellist, who did not know the music, upon sight reading the Scherzo, said the long melody in the middle section played on cello was "the most beautiful thing" she had ever heard. Unfortunately we had to stop after the brief run through as she did not want sight reading to "spoil" it for her in lieu of actually learning the piece. And for me, the first movement development where the cello and piano go off in opposite directions (11:00) with an augmented chord in there thrown in, is my take for the most beautiful thing I'd ever heard. This performance is excellent.
@blancamiralles343
@blancamiralles343 2 жыл бұрын
Who is the cellist?
@Henri.d.Olivoir
@Henri.d.Olivoir Жыл бұрын
it's on the description, it's Truls Mork
@ericdovigi7927
@ericdovigi7927 4 жыл бұрын
anyone else here the "A Therese" sonata in the main theme of the first movement? kind of a reversed version
@nathangred5181
@nathangred5181 4 жыл бұрын
You mean B’s sonata in F sharp?
@ericdovigi7927
@ericdovigi7927 4 жыл бұрын
@@nathangred5181 yeah, after the slow intro
@nandovancreij
@nandovancreij 2 ай бұрын
write it!
@user-qf2tp2vt3t
@user-qf2tp2vt3t 8 жыл бұрын
а ещё у меня дочка 4 годика, уснула под одну из ВАШИХ мелодий.
@olla-vogala4090
@olla-vogala4090 8 жыл бұрын
+Алена Пинчукова :) :) Spasiba Alena!
@handsomeX
@handsomeX 2 жыл бұрын
I'm hearing a lot of Brahms in this.
@akshitsharma8475
@akshitsharma8475 2 жыл бұрын
Brahms was little bit influenced by Chopin.
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