On Broken Country I Presented by onX

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When we identified 15.87 million acres of landlocked public land in the western U.S., we started wondering what some of these places actually look like. Led by onX Founder Eric Siegfried and Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership’s Joel Webster, explore the patchwork landscape of the West’s public lands and efforts to solve this complicated problem through the eyes of hunters, historians, and the folks who call these places home.
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@Intermountainoutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

This is a big issue in the west that needs to be addressed. Thanks for continuing to highlight.

@mikewyd53 2 жыл бұрын

The problem is becoming more acute due to locals not owning these private ranches surrounding public land. The Wyoming case, for instance, the Elk Mountain Ranch that is suing to stop corner crossing is owned by a billionaire pharmaceutical magnate from the East. The entire island mountain range locked up by a single encircling property is owned by two brothers from Texas that made billions in fracking. There are many more examples, but the result is that a knock on the door and a polite request used to be able to grant access. No more, these absentee owners bought these properties solely to deny access to anyone else.

@emmahunt9804 Жыл бұрын

It's so horribly saddening.

@aaroncrewse5746 Жыл бұрын

I'm in a bizarre situation myself where I bought 40 acres of checkerboard in Wyoming. These ranchers owned all this land for over a century, they ran low on money and sold off a bunch in the 80s and 90s when the family ranches were struggling with money, now all these rando's people such as myself own land, have a deed which includes access easements and now the current ranchers want to play the "oh well, you can't go there"..... "well you need to talk to your parents and grandparents that owned the ranch before you and ask them why they created this mess. Overall I have legal, physical access to get up there but the rancher isn't too happy.

@EricThompsonClimber Жыл бұрын

@@aaroncrewse5746 hold the line, your fight is important.

@RJ-0301 2 жыл бұрын

Let's pass laws that if a landowner is profitting of of adjoining public lands he must allow an easement. So many landowners profit from these landlocked public lands by leasing to outfitters, grazing, etc. Many think they own it. I know TRCP, ONX and others want to take the high road and maintain a positive profile, but it is frustrating living out here and experiencing what we do. Good on you and all entities involved for bringing this travesty to light... and for moving forward with good intent.

@MarkNorquist 2 жыл бұрын

Great job...we need to keep highlighting this issue so it get's resolved.

@randybomar9170 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. Living in WY, we are dealing with this a lot as well as there are more laws restricting public access. We do not have the high water of the streams and rivers to access our public land and then the checkerboard lands are another problem, and we are currently dealing with a court case on this. Having access is a big issue and people need to understand that you may have to walk, not drive, into these areas. This will continue to be a challenge and hopefully we can make steps forward to have access to lands that are owned by the public. More to come....

@LFC911 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and message guys, hopefully we make it better for future generations.

@EricThompsonClimber 2 жыл бұрын

Great job on this issue and video. We need the congress through our representatives to pass a new law about access.

@ReelTimeCapt 2 жыл бұрын

Very cool and a great effort overall for this type of initiative and research. Thx. Post more like this, please.

@codyearnest6577 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this informative video. I really enjoyed it. Hopefully one of the solutions you provided will be implemented soon.

@farmecologist3395 2 жыл бұрын

Nice work! This issue needs a lot more exposure...and videos like this will hopefully go a long way at piquing interest.

@amolinari9 2 жыл бұрын

Friggin awesome stuff guys thank you!

@davidvalle3492 2 жыл бұрын

Great efforts to increase access to our public lands!!. Interesting that we can legally access these landlocked pieces by helicopter, yet hop over at a corner is illegal in many states. Can I use a trampoline, high step ladder, or even a rope swing to "leap" or "helicopter" higher over the corner and then be legal? Collaboration is important yet some private landowners and outfitters don't want us to access these public properties. They want the grazing and hunting all for themselves, and they have huge lobbying strength with their state legislatures. I had a great experience in Nevada where a landowner allowed all respectful sportsman to cross his property to access public land. More should do the same.

@4thholebridge 2 жыл бұрын

Great question in that "what height is it at which it is not called corner crossing". United and Frontier Airline accused of corner crossing

@rwchidester 2 жыл бұрын

Great job! Excellent video

@markawilson1 2 жыл бұрын

beautiful and thank you for what you are doing. So many awesome things made possible by technology like the smart phone, GPS and OnX

@clarkansas6590 2 жыл бұрын

Good job!

@PacificNorthwestBowhunting 2 жыл бұрын

Well done! 👌

@ryannelson6524 2 жыл бұрын

This is a big problem not only in the west but here in Northern mn and other states I travel to hunt in like North dakota some are landlocked some are illegally posted by non landowners I want to thank you guys there is not another map app I use more I use it to plan trips in and out factoring wind or other variables I even use it for work if we have to try to track down a landowner way better than old plot book great job can't thank you enough

@davidrobert820 2 жыл бұрын

You can hunt unmarked land in Minnesota. No sign and it's as good as public. I'd do this with discretion though. I do it all the time on property where I know the occupants are seasonal.

@ryannelson6524 2 жыл бұрын

@@davidrobert820 Here in mn all agricultural land does NOT have to be posted you need permission to hunt it and in the big woods you only have to post corners and accesses or every 500 ft and only once a year easy to miss a sign or get turned around and end up on private property possibly ruining someone's hunt or end up on mining property or on a wildlife refuge or hunting inside city limits like I did lol

@davidrobert820 2 жыл бұрын

@@ryannelson6524 I feel like onX takes care of these problems. I go on private all the time. Never had an issue. I've had way more issues on public when I'm near private with landowners that don't realize I know where boundaries are.

@ryannelson6524 2 жыл бұрын

@@davidrobert820 same here they like to post sides of a river or stream that intersects road right of way

@davidrobert820 2 жыл бұрын

@@ryannelson6524 yea a bunch of guys have their sings 100 yards outside their perimeter.

@lblomeli4908 2 жыл бұрын

It's kind of wild when you think about it. Hunter gatherer culture saw an end to their live style when farmers and ranchers emerged. Now that same primitive drive to hunt and gather keeps us fighting for access to our public lands with those cultures. need legislation that will give Americans back the public land access that we can vote for.

@Dyna2023 2 жыл бұрын

Great video..this corner crossing issue is a big deal. One would hope land owners might fear an emminent domain claim by government and work to make an easement, as then they would control the traffic (ie could restrict motor vehicle, stock etc) if they lose in court and government claims right of way then they would lose control of the access. Perhaps there can be some test cases/examples of RMEF, or TRCP, or Nature conservancy to work on easements with private land owners. I would disagree that it's just "out of state rich people that buy up a ranch", the western states have this problem with many private land owners that box in public tracks

@larryborn1082 2 жыл бұрын

Access to these parcels will, overwhelming, have to be forcefully taken through imminent domain or similar proceedings due to the greed of western landowners. Between having exclusive use of the public land to themselves and the huge amounts of money they make outfitting hunts with their exclusive access they have NO interest in helping the public......quite the opposite. The first place to start would be requiring every rancher that grazes livestock on public land at the ridiculously subsidized rates provide access easements to any public land their property landlocks in any manner.

@dave1063 2 жыл бұрын

Agree

@ryannelson6524 2 жыл бұрын

For sure big problem highly discouraging to get to our public land and it's grazed or hayed WMAs and WPA s too our land and license dollars fattening somebody else's cows unacceptable to me

@Dyna2023 2 жыл бұрын

One would hope land owners might fear an emminent domain claim by government and work to make an easement, as then they would control the traffic (ie could restrict motor vehicle, stock etc) if they lose in court and government claims right of way then they would lose control of the traffic

@larryborn1082 2 жыл бұрын

@@Dyna2023 That would be reasonable ....except that would take those folks to get rid of a LITTLE bit of the control/entitlement/greed facets of their personalities.

@kwittnebel 2 жыл бұрын

So is it necessary to purchase the app to see where all these parcels lie? Or can one purchase a map? Thanks.

@Farmersforever1993 2 жыл бұрын

Landlocked lands are difficult to access but there is problems on both side’s. Landowners may have in past let people use their lands to access the BLM Ground but maybe they don’t now bc people were tearing up there roads or leaving gates open., and etc. The problems also arrise from people using the public ground and crossing the fence onto private. There is also the people who hunt public and standing on the private be a giant 7x7 bull elk 5 feet from the boundary and someone hunting on public says well no one will know it’s only 5 feet. Forcing someone to give up there land for public use can also cause massive problems. The whole thing is tricky but it takes both sides coming together and discussing the problems and working together to come up with solutions. They’re are those on BOTH SIDES who will not listen or cooperate no matter how much you try. The bigger problems are usually the 5% bad public users that cause problems with some access but also same goes for the 5% bad private guys, who are usually rich people and think they own the world. In truth if you reallywant to hunt landlocked public ask the landowner about helping out on the ranch for a weekend and trade it for access. There’s ways to every solution but forcing the issue from one side will only make things worse.

@davidvalle3492 2 жыл бұрын

Great points Cody. But landowners and legislatures not allowing corner-jumping is too restrictive, especially if access by helicopter is legal. How high above the corner makes it legal to access?

@farmecologist3395 2 жыл бұрын

A big issue has been the increasing prevalence of huge 'ranches' that profit by guiding and letting people hunt on their land. Unfortunately, many of these 'ranches' have become money making machines...and they have the manpower to patrol/police. Unfortunately, they often use intimidation tactics to keep people off public lands that border their property. Not good. I'd recommend a podcast called the "BHA Podcast & Blast with Hal Herring". His podcasts explores many public lands issues, etc...and is worth a listen!

@deannalemburg10 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting so did you gentlemen have tags for big game in a landlocked unit and decide to use them to explore and track animals ?

@metalheadshred 2 жыл бұрын

👏

@markrossow9598 2 жыл бұрын

Congress needs to pass laws that support mandatory access to public lands for all grazing leases.

@greenthumbweedservicellc3479 2 жыл бұрын

OnX

@tolt1776 2 жыл бұрын

HEY ONX WILL YOU BE HELPING THE HUNTERS WHO USED YOUR APP IN WYOMING AND ARE BEING SUED FOR TRESPASSING??

@emmahunt9804 Жыл бұрын

Are you referring to the people in the corner-crossing case?

@tolt1776 Жыл бұрын

@@emmahunt9804 bingo

@susanavent9589 2 жыл бұрын

Passive green space is what we need. No grazing mo personal use. Let the earth alone.

@emmahunt9804 Жыл бұрын

That would be nice. Anyone is allowed on it, making it an easement between public and private lands, but destruction of the land or obstruction of the easement is strictly enforced.

@hunt_excelpaulbais2876 2 жыл бұрын

AZ Unit 10 is one of the worst. Checkerboarded for miles upon miles...

@emmahunt9804 Жыл бұрын

Yep. It's awful. And it's only getting worse out here.

@jamesgross4833 2 жыл бұрын

So your solution is to force a land owner to sell a chunk of his land to open access, thereby increasing foot traffic and encroachment on the land he still owns. Likely the reason said landowner bought the land in the first place is to get the Hell away from the public.

@emmahunt9804 Жыл бұрын

Who is forcing anyone to do anything? And yeah we all want to get away from the public, but you shouldn't have a right to shut off all access to hundreds, thousands of acres of public land that you did not pay for. Some kind of easement should be made, no matter how small. The solutions presented in this video are wonderful and would help everyone except the greedy hoarders of the world.

@elkhuntr2816 2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, its illegal in Idaho to fly in by helicopter then hunt.

@treym322 2 жыл бұрын

I think that’s only for the day that you flew in. So further thought process, fly in one day a few hours before dark. Pitch a tent and camp through the night and the next day you hunt all day. Or camp for several days and hunt for several days.

@kennybegley6054 2 жыл бұрын

Outdated legislation from coast to coast. Old legislatures out of touch . Limit their terms will stop that and create new insight that is current and not

@fishinbuff 2 жыл бұрын

It's my understanding that in Montana, you are not supposed to land a helicopter in these areas. You gotta pull a Mission Impossible and rappel out of the sucker hovering above the ground if you want to hunt it. Same way out. By the way, Montana sucks, please don't move here.

@elkhuntr2816 2 жыл бұрын

@@treym322 In Idaho, you can't use a helicopter even to fly in gear ahead of time. You can't fly in hunters at all unless you use established landing fields. "...or to use any helicopter to transport hunters, gear, or game except at established landing fields." Dumb law...

@joelwebster4527 2 жыл бұрын

@@fishinbuff you can legally land a helicopter on most BLM administered public lands. You cannot do so on Forest Service lands. I recommend checking with the local BLM field office to make sure you follow the rules.

@moustafakaid3904 2 жыл бұрын

I will buy a big drone soon no need for helicopters 🚁

@rayseelbinder8965 2 жыл бұрын

Did he say crick ?

@bearsmartdurango 2 жыл бұрын

onX has ruined public lands hunting.

@mtnmac8826 2 жыл бұрын

in what way?

@bearsmartdurango 2 жыл бұрын

@@mtnmac8826 - pFFfft. Here, armed with onX, hunters brand new to an area can easily discern the best places to hunt elk. Areas that took locals years to figure out with hard work and countless hours of boots on the ground. Now the best places, even hard to reach places, are over run with hunters and the elk boogie. Ruined.

@emmahunt9804 Жыл бұрын

@@bearsmartdurango Just because things are easier for people now doesn't make them worse. I for one love OnX, especially with the masses of private land bought up around all the public land here in AZ. It's nice to be able to see places I can go without questioning whether I'm on public or private land. And It STILL takes people years to figure out. Just because you find some cool looking country doesn't mean you automatically know the area. OnX is a great service, and as you can see they're going above and beyond to keep public land access and the spirit of hunting and exploration alive.

@bearsmartdurango Жыл бұрын

@@emmahunt9804 - I hear you, yet 100% disagree. Anyone with OnX can come to SW CO and immediately find honey holes that took locals 20 years of hard work to find. OnX has ruined public land hunting.

@troymiller754 2 жыл бұрын

The blame and disrespect not even mentioning the horror that native Americans went through so you could have your public lands so disrespectful.

@emmahunt9804 Жыл бұрын

How is not mentioning a problem that happened so many years ago disrespectful? I'm sure the folks at OnX are plenty respectful of those who owned and cared for our beautiful public lands before it was taken from them. Assumptions such as these are harmful.

@gosnelljames Жыл бұрын

No such thing as "native". We're all descended from migrants.