On hunter gatherers

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15 жыл бұрын

Hunter-gatherers are worthy of study. They are humans as humans evolved to be. They were once regarded as primitive savages - barbaric, ignorant, and cruel. Modern opinions tend to be be very different. I argue that both opinions are wrong.
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@edgarbanuelos6472 4 жыл бұрын

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@justfrankjustdank2538 3 жыл бұрын

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@MrLegomania1 Жыл бұрын

@lindybeige 14 жыл бұрын

In Avatar, the entire tribe of hunter-gatherers was healthy and in the prime of life, and despite all the tremendously dangerous things they did, we never saw any of them get injured except by guns.

@weighttan3675 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@AntifoulAwl 7 жыл бұрын

Yep, the Australian Aborigines hunted many species of megafauna to extinction. They also drastically altered the environment by burning large areas of bushland. It shits me when people say 'oh, they lived in harmony with the land'. But then again, my ancestors would have done things just as devastating....and today we still do, we have learned nothing.

@blugaledoh2669 5 жыл бұрын

Altering environment is not bad. And it is not as if we completely destroying the bushland. And although today, it is a different matter.

@blugaledoh2669 5 жыл бұрын

Firing burning the bushland help save it from future larger wild fire. That is just my guess. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d753kpV7uL2UdnU.html

@johnlamb95 4 жыл бұрын

Antifoul Awl there weren’t enough people to kill off all the mega fauna The world population at most before farming was about 10 million global!

@samveeproductions8762 4 жыл бұрын

Megafauna were huge slow creatures, they were easily hunted by the aboriginals. Likely multitude of other things led to their extinction.

@ia8018 4 жыл бұрын

Climate had a larger part in the megafauna extinction..

@Tysto 8 жыл бұрын

Hunter-gatherer anthropologist: "Oh those modern people weren't really closer to technology. They were just like us."

@And-lj5gb 4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant coment!

@jonathanwells223 3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much, the only difference between us and the caveman is two meals and 48 hours.

@Nerdnumberone 7 жыл бұрын

They seem "in tune" with nature because their ability to change their environment, as well as exploit said changes) is far more limited. You give them a way to turn a field of non-edible plants into food and they'll be all for it.

@carlosandleon 3 жыл бұрын

depends. When the immediate environment is bountiful enough, they wouldn't bother farming. Thats extra work.

@Mr.Ekshin 3 жыл бұрын

@@carlosandleon - Being a hunter-gatherer involves a LOT of moving around in a constant search for game and edible plants. It was a LOT of work, and anyone who says different is telling fairy-tales. The advent of agriculture allowed hunter/gatherers to become merely gatherers, without all the constant need to move around. It was a MUCH easier life. It provided more bountiful food (less starvation), and better, more permanent dwellings (ie: comfort). It's worth noting that there is no historical example of ANYONE ever choosing to remain a hunter/gatherer once agriculture was introduced.

@mitchc552 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.Ekshin modern day Libya and other south African states would disagree

@joshuabacker2363 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.Ekshin Seems like there were alot of cultures that actively resisted the Agricultural aspect of living. There's also hard evidence that alot of primitive Agricultural societies experienced abnormally high rates of starvation and other issues.

@Mr.Ekshin 3 жыл бұрын

@@mitchc552 - Modern day Libya would disagree that they are somehow a south African state. And oh yeah... they aren't 'hunter-gatherers' either.

@nebojsagalic4246 8 жыл бұрын

You`re an evolutionary psychologist, an archaeologist and a historical weapons expert? Damn you`re cool!

@BeepingMetal 8 жыл бұрын

+Nebojsa Galic Great for everything other than getting laid ;-) .... but yeah, he's damn cool.

@aah7806 8 жыл бұрын

+BeepingMetal AAAH, so THAT'S why I'm a virgin. Got it.

@lettuceprime4922 7 жыл бұрын

Just about every name in this comment chain perpetuates a hilarious stereotype. Including mine. Especially mine.

@nebojsagalic4246 7 жыл бұрын

BeepingMetal I don`t know, knowing about ancient weapons and warfare isn`t really "nerdy"

@TheStrangeBloke 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah people like to crap on him because he occasionally does get things wrong but he's very well-informed overall.

@Killicon93 9 жыл бұрын

My best friend thinks that Native Americans were in tune with nature. Next time I see him I'll have to teach him about Buffalo Jump's :D

@lindybeige 13 жыл бұрын

@claynate Does 'in tune with nature' mean anything?

@livinginvancouverbc2247 7 жыл бұрын

"A pregnant buffalo! Hand me my big arrow!" Ted Nugent

@Mr.Ekshin 3 жыл бұрын

Steaks AND veal with a single shot? Niiiice!!

@thatguy-kd4hm 8 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the several species of birds (moa, giant eagles, but also many smaller birds) that got extinct when the Polynesians, who would become the Maori, settled in New Zealand.

@lindybeige 11 жыл бұрын

Yes, the life spans of African farmers are still catching up with African hunter gatherers.

@chemikalguy 8 жыл бұрын

I've discovered your old videos, and really like them. I like your explanation of how the Aboriginal people in Australia were 'happy'. My heritage is native American, Potawatomi, in particular. The early written accounts of our tribe described them in a similar fashion, acting as peacemakers between various other tribes in the Great Lakes region of the US. In fact, rather than fighting in conflicts between tribes, they played a game they'd invented that the French dubbed 'LaCrosse'. The game could be quite violent, but there were rarely deaths, which couldn't be said for tribal wars. Obviously, you're correct in that, they were 'just people', as we all are, but it's interesting to see how the accounts of the early settlers and explorers described them as 'civilized', when later, as the land they lived on was wanted by trappers, traders and the government, they suddenly became 'savages'. That moniker stuck for some two hundred years, unfortunately.

@missyvon88 4 жыл бұрын

Very well said.

@PaulTheSkeptic 6 жыл бұрын

I'm a fan of Captain Cook also. He was definitely a flawed individual for sure but what he accomplished was astounding. His maps were amazing for the time. His views of the "savages" was advanced for the time.

@lindybeige 13 жыл бұрын

@azmanntoz I don't recall suggesting this. What is your point?

@lindybeige 13 жыл бұрын

@Zeedox Or the one less damaging could expand into the more damaging society's territory (once it has declined due to over-exploitation), and do more damage...

@zandemen 7 жыл бұрын

I can say the comments you've made are certainly true where I live. The native Americans are vaunted as guardians of the earth, the humble and venerable hunter gatherers, and the white man the evil exploiters. There are people from each group that are just as noble or ignoble as any from the other group, of course. I've seen a married white couple devote decades to running a salmon hatchery where most of the work is volunteer and by donation, and of course there are natives doing the same thing. I've also seen natives set up a weir to trap salmon and then when they've harvested what they wanted, just leave with the weir still intact preventing any fish from getting in to their spawning areas, completely destroying that particular run for that year. Of course the evil white man does the same thing. Except their not allowed to set up traps like that, because they're white, so they don't. At least not in that particular way.

@zandemen 7 жыл бұрын

I think the big factor here is the big numbers. If ten percent of hunter gatherers were jerks, they have a tiny impact on the environment because they have a tiny population. If you put seven billion people on the earth and ten percent are jerks, the planet is headed for ruin. Seven billion hunter gatherers could not survive on the planet as the resources would be depleted much too quickly. Resources must be much denser and have higher yield to support such a large population. Could you imagine someone farming when the human population was in the tens of thousands, and the natural resources available could sustain a population of tens of millions? It just doesn't make sense when food is so readily available. in the same way, now that the population is so large, hunting/gathering makes no sense. If everyone went out and shot a deer this weekend, the deer would be extinct very, very quickly.

@mortson978 3 жыл бұрын

@@zandemen agriculture didn't start because populations grew too large. In fact, populations grew large because of the success of agriculture. Agriculture always makes sense over hunting and gathering because the calorie yield is much higher per calorie input than that of hunting/gathering.

@hamburgerdan101 3 жыл бұрын

@@mortson978 not true there’s a lot of variables that could and would go wrong in agriculture it was actually pretty unsuccessful when we first started doing it. My hypothesis is that the reason early hunter gatherer humans were on average much taller than civilization humans was because agriculture was hard and we didn’t know what we were doing and it caused malnutrition and made us short. it took forever for us to get good at it.

@kevinsullivan3448 11 жыл бұрын

I've been to Australia and all the abbos I met were shorter than me and most were thinner. The few bush abbos I met were quite short and very thin, while the city abbos tended weigh more. I'm 6'2 and then I weighed about 170lbs. The Maori's I met were my height or a bit shorter and more heavily built. They taught me the Haka and other fun cultural bits about their people.

@squamish4244 8 жыл бұрын

Captain Cook's astute judgement may have been a result of the Age of Enlightenment, when more tolerant attitudes towards everyone were developing, within and outside of Europe. Now, of course plenty of ignorant people came after him, but compared to the ranks of those who had come before, things were changing for the better.

@lindybeige 14 жыл бұрын

@umidontno040394 They don't hurt? They have a VERY high murder rate, and a very high infanticide rate. They also use wounded animals to lure other animals out for shooting. They also like starting forest fires. When Cook sailed around Oz, he reported the many forest fires burning all round the coast that the HGs had lit.

@lindybeige 13 жыл бұрын

@claynate I do sometimes, but I could end up spending my life responding. I let people make their points. My main points I make with videos.

@frankharr9466 7 жыл бұрын

Nonsense! You don't use an arrow to kill a buffollo! That just makes them mad! You use a spear or drive them off a cliff. ;)

@666toysoldier 8 жыл бұрын

What about trapping? Far less energy input, and much safer. I suppose it has been ignored in archaeology because fiber traps don't survive.

@mistahsusan2650 8 жыл бұрын

I always assumed that was implied in the gathering part...

@lindybeige 15 жыл бұрын

Greetings. What's a hartf?

@spencerevans8719 3 жыл бұрын

I keep hearing about how the indigenous people of Canada have always lived in harmony with nature... Maybe we should try telling that to the wooly mammoths.

@lindybeige 12 жыл бұрын

@wrisr001 Wirier mainly, I suppose, but I've not seen tall Aboriginals, not that I've ever been to Australia.

@lindybeige 14 жыл бұрын

@EVLWNS Yes, new lush growth attracts prey.

@lindybeige 13 жыл бұрын

@ki5567 I think most of the killing is rival males within the tribe killing each other rather than one tribe against its neighbour. Murder rates in some tribes are horrendous.

@lindybeige 12 жыл бұрын

@TOMHYLE88 There are stages between true hunter gatherers and farmers, such as sedentary h-gs, nomadic herdsmen etc. One big divide is between people who store food and those who don't.

@lindybeige 13 жыл бұрын

@manowar40 Many years ago I did.

@TheTechie69 5 жыл бұрын

oh my god I've been listening to you for nine years: we must be friends

@maleficarus 2 жыл бұрын

12 years of talking, love it!

@rattinox 14 жыл бұрын

Another dose of sanity from across the pond and sorely needed this morning!

@TheRealApricat 8 жыл бұрын

They may not have been "ancient protectors" but there was a lot less of them, so they made less of an impact

@GoranXII 8 жыл бұрын

Well, except for the whole "game jump" thing of forcing an entire herd off a cliff.

@TheStrangeBloke 4 жыл бұрын

Right, but that's not what he's speaking to.

@imperialofficer6185 3 жыл бұрын

Is that a good thing?

@jonathanccast 3 жыл бұрын

What environmentalism always comes down to

@jonajo9757 3 жыл бұрын

@@GoranXII *applies to few folk*

@JohnMorley1 7 жыл бұрын

The North American Indians had hunted the horse to extinction before anyone had the idea of riding one. They only learnt to ride them because of hearing about Europeans riding them.

@masonheipel 7 жыл бұрын

John Morley Horses weren't in America until Europeans brought them.

@Ragd0ll1337 7 жыл бұрын

Mason Heipel the Europeans *reintroduced* horses to the Americas.

@JohnMorley1 7 жыл бұрын

Mason Heipel - The first horses evolved in what is now America and then became extinct until reintroduction by Europeans. But I take my hat off to you for knowing about the reintroduction. Most people assume they already had them. Your understanding of everything flips 180 degrees everytime you discover yet another wrinkle in history.

@masonheipel 7 жыл бұрын

Wow, interesting. I guess I should have looked that up before commenting.

@Zeedox 13 жыл бұрын

A point in the favor of hunter-gatherers being more "in tune with nature": One can probably presume that any hunter-gatherer society who by chance is mindful of their ecosystem will last longer within that ecosystem, rather than a society that affects their surroundings compareatively more. Given enough time I think that an equilibrium would be formed where the society who minds their impact on the environment more would survive the longest.

@Asenueh Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the "Noble Savage" trope.

@masonheipel 7 жыл бұрын

Societies thought of as hunter-gatherers had a keen understanding of their environment, as tends to happen after ten thousand or so years of continuous habitation in a specific environment. This understanding generally led to practices of manipulating the environment for the benefit of themselves and other species, such as burning landscapes to benefit acorn production and to improve forage for game. Many also practiced pruning and fertilization of wild plants. Some even transplanted for convenience of forage. They also tended to understand the effects of overhunting and moderate their usage of animal and plant resources in ways that boosted the health and population of the species rather than degrading it. Over many generations this results in very tailored environments, even if no one ever planted a seed, tilled the earth, or bred an animal. Indigenous worldviews generally had some form of animism or some other spiritualism that involved a deep understanding of the connections between various species of plants and animals. Combining this mode of thought with information collected and stored in oral traditions over thousands of years enabled many societies to have a fairly active hand in designing and maintaining their environment. Pacific Northwest tribes of North America are prime examples of these behaviors but theyre far from being the only ones to use them.

@blugaledoh2669 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, human have been manipulating environment for long time.

@Newidhan 3 жыл бұрын

almost 12 years later youtube is like hey here's a video

@MWcrazyhorse 8 жыл бұрын

Before "the white man" showed up the inhabitants of north america had deforested half the continent and turned it into deserts. But we grew up with the romanticised image of the indian shedding a tear at a pulluted lake.

@georgehedgepeth2661 8 жыл бұрын

+MWcrazyhorse That is ridiculous. They certainly impacted the land, but you are very off base here.

@RaferJeffersonIII 8 жыл бұрын

White man gets the bill for all the worlds evils. Now, get back to work and keep paying those taxes.

@MWcrazyhorse 8 жыл бұрын

George Hedgepeth Not really. They burned the forests to use for farming. Good fertilizer. It is a farming method. It's established. Also the many tribes were constsantly at war. They took scalps of their enemies. Imagine europeans had done that. We wouldn't hear the end of it.

@georgehedgepeth2661 8 жыл бұрын

+MWcrazyhorse They did burn, but no way did it turn half of NA into desert. There are lots of very interesting sources about the impact of man on NA pre 1491. Lots of archaeological evidence, as well as written accounts of European travelers.

@MrBottlecapBill 8 жыл бұрын

They were humans......if a little was good more was better. Their populations were much higher pre-contact before the great dying off. Look up "Black soil of the amazon" and you'll see more discovered truth about the "pristine" rainforest.

@hazzmati 7 жыл бұрын

you look differet here lloyd

@squamish4244 8 жыл бұрын

I think the extent to which the "noble savage" stereotype is believed by modern people is exaggerated by those like Lindybeige or Steven Pinker (author of a major popular study of violence across history) for the sake of argument. Most people I have ever talked to about the topic, including a native American friend of mine, are well aware that hunter-gatherers were often warlike and good and bad people were found in every society. Just look at our popular culture and most of the blockbuster or critically acclaimed films that have dealt with native peoples in recent decades - The Last of the Mohicans, Dances with Wolves, Black Robe, etc. They depict plenty of brutal violence committed by natives against other natives. Or bestselling novels like The Orenda, written by Ojibwe author Joseph Boyden, which takes place during a period of constant war and massacres between the Huron and Iroquois peoples in ~1600. Atanarjuat (The Fast Runner), a critically acclaimed 2001 movie that got a lot of attention in Canada, is based on an Inuit legend and set 1,000 years ago in the Canadian arctic. In one sequence, the warriors of a band conspire to murder two brothers, the strong one and the fast one, but the fast one escapes and runs naked across the ice while four guys with spears chase him (but they can't catch him, hence the title). Hardly romanticizing the life of hunter-gatherers!

@squamish4244 8 жыл бұрын

mcc1789 Well, I think that's more of a narrative decision to give the audience someone to root for that's no different than from what we do for any historical movie, wherever it is set. I really don't see the noble savage myth in my own life. I never encountered it in my university classes and I've never seen it among my friends. Black Robe etc. also came out 25 years ago. Also, one of the major nonfiction best-sellers of the last few years was Empire of the Summer Moon, a no-holds-barred account of the Comanche tribe and it is so gory that I could not get past the first page. I just don't see it.

@mcc1789 8 жыл бұрын

valinor You're probably right, they need heroes vs. villains. My experience has been different, and from what I've read since the 1960s-1970s it's really caught on in popular perception. Not only that, but also anthropology. I've met people who refused to believe the Maori slaughtered the Moriori (a neighboring people on the Chatham Islands) and said that all anthropologists agreed hunter-gatherers were noble saints (not in so many words). To be fair, it's probably more noticeable as I once believed this about them myself, so that's why seeing Black Robe was shocking, along with reading things which dispelled that view of them. I read about Empire of the Summer Moon recently, it sounded very interesting, I'll pick it up sometime.

@squamish4244 8 жыл бұрын

mcc1789 Maybe it's a generational thing? I am 37 and I briefly believed the noble savage b.s. when I was 11 or 12. But I read a lot of history, and that plus watching films like the aforementioned disabused me of the notion pretty quickly. Since I hadn't believed it for very long it wasn't a big deal when, basically, I realized people were the same everywhere :) My dad has a stronger stomach than me, read Empire of the Summer Moon and said it was amazing. The Comanche had an effective striking range of hundreds of miles in one day! Also The Heart of Everything That Is, about Red Cloud, is supposed to be very good.

@mcc1789 8 жыл бұрын

valinor It could be. I'm 30 myself, and probably believed this into early/mid 20s. There's even an "anarcho-primitivist" movement which even says everyone should go back to living as hunter-gatherers (yes, really) which I once was into. Looking back, I rationalized and ignored depictions of them which didn't match "noble savage" stereotypes for many years. So this may be a bit of remorse on my part for being that dumb. Yes, I've now heard about their empire which spanned an incredible amount of land. They drew tribute from many neighboring people. I've read about Red Cloud, but they were all works lionizing him with no flaws shown. With hindsight, I find that dubious.

@MWcrazyhorse 8 жыл бұрын

+valinor Perhaps, but one does ofton hear the infamous line "before the white man showed up" in these type of contexts. I'm also in my 30s and did believe it to be true. As well as the myth that Indians were given smallpox deseased blankets in order to wipe them out. There exists misinformation.

@zank_frappa 9 жыл бұрын

A rare moment where Lloyd has his collar flipped down. Great video as always!

@daveinthemicrowave4810 Жыл бұрын

I would like to add that the Maori hunted the moa(A very large flightless bird) into extinction, this also caused the hast eagle(A massive eagle which preyed primarily on the moa and occasionally on Maori children) to become extinct.

@Sam-gy3ok 7 жыл бұрын

The principle of "caring for nature" for selfish human reasons exists with hunter-gatherers too. Like maybe there was less control over breeding and that, but the whole idea of totem animals (and in extension the animist spirituality probably) was for this purpose so traditional aboriginal people had a certain animal to keep and eye out for.

@wayneking6772 5 жыл бұрын

Came to see the OG fans

@paeden5431 4 жыл бұрын

Oh damn, the Beigemeister has been at this for a good while!

@OCPoundhounds 5 жыл бұрын

"Troughed their way through" "Nearly said Thomas Cook there" OMD - hilarious!!

@SoundSpeeding 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, the video quality demonstrates that this was filmed in the Hunter and Gather Era!!

@chistinelane 7 жыл бұрын

Now I'm curious to how big you can make arrows

@danielr.l.mccullough600 3 жыл бұрын

I'm going to say as big as you wang provided you have the means to fire it

@lindybeige 12 жыл бұрын

@HazelArchery Yes, this is one way of looking at it. Another is to say that a colour TV is a naturally occurring object, or that a spider's web is not. Unfortunately, if one takes it to an extreme, then the world 'natural' becomes meaningless. No one could from scratch in one lifetime get from the stone age to modern life alone. The works of Man have changed the environment. I think that's a useful distinction.

@lindybeige 12 жыл бұрын

@jdf1023 If we have evolved to be hunters, and are now not hunting, that would put us further away from the natural. We still have hunter instincts. All round the world men carve up large joints of meat to serve to guests, even if the meat is from a butcher's and was cooked by women. Men prefer fewer larger meals and women (gatherers) prefer more but smaller meals. Men remain competitive, and are happier to leave the home for long periods. Long distance lorry drivers are almost all men.

@alexanderdemontfort3022 3 жыл бұрын

War Before Civilization covered this from an anthropological angle, I highly recommend that book

@mep1990 10 жыл бұрын

There's however a point on prehistorical hunter-gatherers being in one thing better than later societies: there's the theory of conflict avoidance being the social rule until the population growth made fighting for resources more profitable than moving out to find some other place. And I guess when population density was low enough andd meeting another human group was a rarity, rather than thinking about fighting or stealing, you'd be glad to welcome, cooperate and trate with the other group.

@gasmaskguys4965 6 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed this video throughly I am so glad Forgotten weapons took me here :)

@3daysago266 5 жыл бұрын

This early stuff is treasure

@Hrodn 3 жыл бұрын

Eleven years later, ditto.

@virgilxavier1 3 жыл бұрын

Lloyd is sooooo youuuung and cuuuute...!!!!

@AzzakFeed 10 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. I just want to add that lifes of hunter-gatherers (including occasional tribal warfare) were incredibly deadly by modern standards. Many skeletons found have causes of violent deaths. They did not live peacefully at all ! It seems then obvious why people prefered to trade their relative happiness for the safety of cities and walls - after all safety is the final stage of evolution.

@theoriginaldylangreene 9 жыл бұрын

Evolution has a final stage now does it? Funny all this time I thought it was random mutations in DNA causing small genetic shifts in a species, some good, some bad. Tell me, who put in place these stages of evolution?

@doornik1142 9 жыл бұрын

Dylan Greene I think he means social evolution or societal evolution. Something like that. Obviously you can't _biologically_ evolve yourself into a "safe" society.

@tSp289 9 жыл бұрын

You know that's massive generalisation, right? Most true hunter-gatherers (without domesticated cattle) both now (like the !Kung) and in the past would very rarely come into conflict with one another, because they were not competing for resources as their numbers were so few. It is once they started getting herds and possessions that they started fighting and raiding. The thing is, if you are a nomad, you only own what you need because you have to carry the bloody thing with you everywhere, and it does not make sense to fight other tribes because generally tribe numbers are between 30-100, so you must inter-breed with other groups or risk some serious incest going on. Also, when you don't have many tribe members, fighting is foolish as it damages the group's survival odds. We generally only fight wars now when there is something to be gained and we have some excess population to throw at the problem. As for his point about guardians of nature... well yes, many of the deserts of Australia were once forested, but much of the forest was burned to make way for more fertile scrubland by Aborigines over tens of thousands of years, and many species were hunted to extinction. However, most HG societies do tend to have a much more respectful relationship to the natural world, because excessive hunting damages their own chances as much as it does the animals, and compared to the rates of extinction that modern society causes (the greatest since the extinction event that wiped out the dinosaurs), they look practically saintly.

@tSp289 9 жыл бұрын

Newsman4chon That comment is so amazingly retarded I can't even begin to answer it. Well done, I am genuinely impressed.

@tSp289 9 жыл бұрын

Newsman4chon More that I don't know where to begin.

@thewallachianbard6975 7 жыл бұрын

This man,. Give him an oscar. Now.

@gingercore69 7 жыл бұрын

every time you waid some of them so fast i thought you were starting to sing the fast part of rap god :D

@thothtahuti5509 2 жыл бұрын

It's so unusual to find rational expression now, thank you for yours

@danielstapler4315 2 жыл бұрын

Here's a story about Australian Aboriginals. They would track pregnant Dingoes and locate their dens and then when she had her pups and they were a certain size they would go back to the den dig her out and let her go and eat the pups because roast dingo pup was a delicacy.

@Cannonbo 9 жыл бұрын

that shirt's collar is disturbingly pointy

@newperve 9 жыл бұрын

Captain Cook was a smart guy. He got selected for a very important mission which required great navigation. That happened for a reason, the guys in charge could spot a smart guy a mile off. That's (part of) how they got to be in charge..

@MisterBones2910 9 жыл бұрын

Look up how non-coms got chosen in the first world war. People in charge aren't universally clever with regards to picking people to appoint to important positions.

@newperve 9 жыл бұрын

***** The British Navy was fairly good at choosing officers at the time. They had to be. The British Army could always suck, but the Navy had to know something.

@MisterBones2910 9 жыл бұрын

Michael Price Not just British. Almost all non-commissioned officers in WW1 were chosen because they were a mailman or some shit; middle-high ranking guys were often chosen simply because they had connections.

@tofuchicken2 9 жыл бұрын

***** Does that mean being a mailman is good or bad?

@MisterBones2910 9 жыл бұрын

futsalfred2 What?

@h.r.hufnstuf4171 Жыл бұрын

look at this strapping young lad, he might make a million subs one day. Keep it up!

@bewarethegreyghost 13 жыл бұрын

Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

@stonehartfloydfan 15 жыл бұрын

Greetings from New Zealand Lloyd :)

@syystomu 13 жыл бұрын

The mistake is to think that they are any different from us.

@longpinkytoes 6 жыл бұрын

@2:15 Guardians of the... Galaxy! ^_^

@TenninWorks 10 жыл бұрын

They are different and do have virtues, it's called self-reliance as opposed to not having to think to hard for food in the mechanized world.

@FurryAminal 10 жыл бұрын

Hunter-gathering is what animals do. It is largely indiscriminate/opportunistic and generally has little concern for custodianship (that latter comes far more with farming, as the farmer is in one place for many generations). City people are more like hunter-gatherers than farmers, because they too tend to be opportunistic and short-sighted.

@alexsyo2370 5 жыл бұрын

termites grow fungus, ants farm aphids... I wouldn't say animals are only hunter-gathering, we came after and we still think we are the first

@carlosandleon 3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure hunter gatherers are happier than farmers in general

@shipofbats9134 3 жыл бұрын

You should read the book by Karen Hesse. It shows this very well. It is about a boy named Nicholas Young who was a stowaway and then a crew member on an expedition under James Cook, but in the book they come across many different Islands and the natives always have different reactions to them. It is also just a good book in general

@PaulTheSkeptic 7 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. You put it perfectly.

@adiousir 15 жыл бұрын

the 'noble savage' mythology goes back to the victorians. at least.

@CarlStreet 8 жыл бұрын

"Happy" brings to mind Herman Melville [Moby Dick], "many's the Christian wishes he was a dark man on a cannibal isle"

@johnlamb95 4 жыл бұрын

Jeez that’s an old video (10 years ago)

@lindybeige 15 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Victorians did have a romantic streak.

@arckocsog253 8 жыл бұрын

You look very good in this one (too).

@BMoll87 8 жыл бұрын

Thought so, too! ;)

@OllihuAkbar 8 жыл бұрын

Looks like James McAvoy

@permhaaland 13 жыл бұрын

and not to mention what the first settlers on the Easter Island. They chopped down all the forests on the whole island.

@Pengalen 3 жыл бұрын

Some time before he started appearing (endearingly) crazy.

@salvatoreshiggerino6810 8 жыл бұрын

Finally a video without that goofy collar.

@jtfroh 8 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU. I'm in an anthropology class, and I am so annoyed with everybody acting like all the cultures that aren't like ours are inherently better or worse. It's just culture. We have our culture, they have their culture, it's all just different cultures. No culture makes people inherently better or worse people, that all depends on the individual person. All people are different, even in the same culture. About time someone with more credibility than I finally said it.

@MeowMeowDeathRay 8 жыл бұрын

+jtfroh It is a confirmation bias based upon a choice that we didn't made ourselves.

@pasteleater1527 8 жыл бұрын

+jtfroh Individual decisions have no impact on society at large, whatsoever.

@lavabeard5939 7 жыл бұрын

this is an old video, but the song "civilization" refers to the idea of the noble savage, so it's at least a 50 year old perspective.

@MartinWillett 9 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Hunter gatherer people are simply people who did not make the mistake of becoming farmers, or didn't have the opportunity. They are no more cruel, savage or enlightened than anybody else. Worshiping them is as much of a mistake as eradicating them, but not as much of a mistake as trying to convert them to religions based upon Hebrew mythology. If you asked a hunter gatherer to flick through a picture encyclopaedia and ask what they would most like to learn about do you think *any* of them would ever point at the picture of the bleeding man on a cross?

@galzenian 9 жыл бұрын

I would.

@MartinWillett 9 жыл бұрын

Do they ever get asked what they want to learn about? No, only people with religion up their arse volunteer to teach people for free so they have no choice what they get taught.

@oopalonga 9 жыл бұрын

lmao great fuckin paragraph man.

@MartinWillett 9 жыл бұрын

Catholic Knight Missionaries are free teachers. Teachers who teach for free teach the lessons they want to teach NOT the lessons those learning most want to learn. There is always a danger in any education system that the teachers will want to indoctrinate rather than educate and help people. In an education service this can be policed to an extent as it can in a system where the parents are paying for the full market price for the education (although nowhere near enough in either case) but where a third party such as a church is paying for most of the cost indoctrination is unavoidable. The education content is the sugar coating around the indoctrination which is the point of the exercise.

@Corpsolian 9 жыл бұрын

Martin Willett Hey, I'd wonder why they nailed a guy to a weird shaped bit of wood. That sounds like some heavy god appeasement to me.

@MatthewMcVeagh 6 жыл бұрын

They are not better or worse but they are different. They have an intimate knowledge of the details of nature, all the benefits and dangers of various plants and animals in their environment. This knowledge is far greater even than that of settled farmers who are nevertheless rural.

@alexmacdiver 3 жыл бұрын

Hebrides Inuit : Bloody Vikings, burnt all our trees . . . No. . . no . . .we probably did that ourselves . . . .

@louiswebber3775 2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@perlofski 3 жыл бұрын

his shirt did not look that beige back then...

@Bankstercide 12 жыл бұрын

What you say about the modern attitudes toward hunter gatherers reminds me of how members of the Romantic movement viewed pastoral societies.

@lindybeige 13 жыл бұрын

@MiRyRE Flawed, and would have been better in 2D. I hope they paid Roger Dean for designing half the animals and landscapes for them. It continued with the all-H-Gs-are-great theme, throwing in all-miners-and-soldiers-are-stupid-and-evil for good measure.

@josephdodd5770 5 жыл бұрын

I agree with you on all points on this video

@MisterBones2910 8 жыл бұрын

B-b-but muh coast Salish people were so good; it's not like their culture was heavily reliant on slavery at all! Shakespeare's "Noble Savage" portrayed in Caliban wasn't a rapist/complete prim' at all! It was an expression of how much better the non-western peoples were before we showed up. WE WAS KANGS!!!

@Syerjchep 8 жыл бұрын

+Mister Bones HO UP, EY, HO UP, ARE YOUS SAYIN WE WAZ KANGS AND SHIEEET NIGA?

@MisterBones2910 8 жыл бұрын

Syerjchep Sit upon your throne, my brutha!

@SUBARCTICPSYCHO 8 жыл бұрын

+Mister Bones YO NIGGA WE WAZ STUDEN PHYSICCYCOLOGY ANG SHIET WHEN WHITE MAN WAZ IN CAVES! WE WAZ KANGS! #BLACKLYFESMATTA

@yungsouichi2317 6 жыл бұрын

Mister Bones fucking cringe.

@hammerofgayz 3 жыл бұрын

@Lindybeige didnt think you would think "less" of me there lol

@martinvialle4569 7 жыл бұрын

Late to the Party I am sorry but .. I have always said that Humans where ever and When ever have always exploited the environment to the limit of their technology. Thank you Mr Lindybeige sir for putting it much more succinctly. (Also so sorry For my inability to suppress the random unnecessary Capital letters I use.)

@agnulittumc 8 жыл бұрын

some wisdom here

@pumbar 10 жыл бұрын

That's a cool vid Lindy.

@MrBladeFilms 5 жыл бұрын

He kind of looked like Matthew Corbett here

@relupl 9 жыл бұрын

I liked the video, but I think there's a slight distortion here since it's not the people themselves that are in question (at least not nowadays) - it's the lifestyle. HG lifestyle is more "in tune with nature" because HG dependency on their natural habitat is much more direct and unmediated. Farming-based lifestyles are based on technologies that mediate our direct connection to the environment, allowing both a more extensive manipulation of various factors on our part (which spiked after the discovery of fossil fuels), and methods that quite effectively (though never completely) buffer the effect of environmental changes on us. It boils down to a culturally-constructed (subjective) mannature dichotomy, where one approach still believes that our separation from nature is the epitome of human existence (civilization above all else) and the other claims the very opposite.

@fakejohnwilkesbooth 12 жыл бұрын

Human sacrifice was a common practice among early Eurasian civilizations. Though as far as we know, they didn't make the same kind of obsessive practice out of it that South American civilizations did; they would sacrifice their own children rarely, in extreme emergencies. The closest they ever got was the practice of herem warfare, where an army would slaughter literally every living thing in a besieged town or city as a sacrifice to their god in return for victory...

@ccityplanner1217 2 жыл бұрын

Some people dislike order & civilisation because they think that before civilisation, there was no war. This is completely untrue. I think that a lot of traits in humans can be explained to have evolved because of prehistoric war, such as the tendency of young men to take risks.