On The Search For Native American Marker Trees, Bent Trees. Part One, Did We Find Any?

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City Rockhounding

City Rockhounding

Жыл бұрын

Join me today as I go out searching for Native American marker trees, also known as bent trees. There are a few bent trees around me here in the woods behind my house that I hope to use my research to estimate the age of these trees! Let me know if you think these are Native American land markers, naturally bent, bent recently by humans or machines.
This is all new to me, with only a few hours of research, I'm not an expert at this by any means, all help is very much appreciated!
#teamrockit #exploring #benttrees #nativeamerican #adventure #hiking

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@TheAdventureCloset
@TheAdventureCloset Жыл бұрын
The forest service, miners and loggers adopted tree bending in many areas and that definitely makes it a challenge to identify a native one. Doing what you're doing by checking the age is definitely smart. We've actually found routes in Washington by following signs of culturally modified trees. Once you start seeing them you'll see them everywhere. It'll take you on some great adventures. We're excited for part 2. Cool video Nic!
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
That's super cool to know that bit of information, makes total sense too, this whole area has been logged around me here, today's video was only a small portion of the woods here too, I'm sure there are a lot more. So cool to know this, I will make that info apart of part two with a shout out for you two! Thanks Charlie and Liz. That's so true about seeing more, two of those today I didn't know about and found on my hike to find the last one, lol. This comment really makes me so excited to go out again! You two seriously rock!
@TheAdventureCloset
@TheAdventureCloset Жыл бұрын
@@CityRockhounding Native history is fascinating, so hearing about the history in your little spot in the world is really cool to hear. Thanks for sharing it and keeping stories going that could get lost.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
@The Adventure Closet Right, totally agree! I was out rockhounding today and found another bent tree tree, this one is going to be close in age, I need to go back there and measure it! Best guess between 150-200 year old tree, with the right bend to it! So maybe, logging was only here 100 years ago when my town started in the early 1900s
@TheAdventureCloset
@TheAdventureCloset Жыл бұрын
@@CityRockhounding that's exciting. I bet it is one. So cool!
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
@The Adventure Closet and it's right next to a valley in the middle of the woods, looks like an it's pointing straight north at what used to be a pond, or even past that the big lake I live off of!
@kickapootrackers7255
@kickapootrackers7255 Жыл бұрын
Love seeing the country in other folks Vids. Probably my favorite part of all vids. Thanks and blessings to y'all up there.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Thanks Will, I really appreciate you saying that buddy! I totally agree, nature is the best and I enjoy seeing it all over the world! This world is special! I really enjoy seeing your back woods too on the creek!
@cribbsprojects
@cribbsprojects 5 ай бұрын
Nice filming. I learned something useful!
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 5 ай бұрын
Thank you, I really appreciate you saying that and for taking the time to watch.
@leuserstoneschannel
@leuserstoneschannel Жыл бұрын
back to nature, back to adventure, looking for what can be served for the best for many people greetings my friend
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much LSC, I really appreciate you watching and saying this my friend!
@wilbondcajunrockhound5758
@wilbondcajunrockhound5758 Жыл бұрын
really cool , very interesting thanks for sharing
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Thanks Wil, I really appreciate you watching and saying this my friend!
@MtFull
@MtFull Жыл бұрын
That was a very cool video! I had never heard of the native Americans doing tree bending before. And dang, you’re 6’4”!!!!! I learned a lot this video!
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Thank you Mt At, so very much, I really appreciate it so much, I really enjoyed making this video this morning. Taking everything I've learned and using it out there wad exciting. Even if they aren't native, it's still a really fun experience. I really appreciate you watching and saying this, it means a lot.
@falseteethrealtarotAllRocks
@falseteethrealtarotAllRocks Жыл бұрын
Hello My Friend... This was Awesome!!! I knew They did this, never knew how to tell how old a tree was without seeing the inside... Very Nice... Thank You Little Brother lol Your as Tall as Our oldest Son...
@falseteethrealtarotAllRocks
@falseteethrealtarotAllRocks Жыл бұрын
Maybe 6.5 or 6.75 flat footed no shoes, long coal black hair
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
That's cool your son is thst tall too, I really enjoyed taking something new I learned and using it out in nature, I was excited and still am. Yeah using the circumference of a tree to find out the diameter, then times that by the growth factor number gives you the age based on the type of trees. I can't wait to do this again! I have a new passion, I can't stop aging trees now bent or not, lol. I really appreciate you saying this Melinda, it means a lot Sis!
@gregderksen1996
@gregderksen1996 Жыл бұрын
i feel edjumacated! lol! seriously though, this is really cool information to learn about!!
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Lol thanks Greg, I find it very interesting and I'm already learning mote to share next time, which will be soon here. Thank for watching and saying this Greg!
@largent45
@largent45 Жыл бұрын
That is so awesome. I love how you found a growth factor chart and learned how to age the trees. Its so cool that youve learned to identify the difference between a possible marker and natural or natural causes of tree bending! Thank you for showing us examples and how to figure the age of these. Thats a great way to start to figure these trees out. That was an awesome video Nic! I cant wait for part two. Thats awesome!
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Aww thank you Lisa. I was super excited this morning, it was awesome to take something new I've learned and use it in the field! It was peaceful too. Also these trees are around my place, I feel like there had to be more by the big lakes further back and also over by the wetlands too. Have so much land to cover now for the next one, but I'm excited to walk it vs taking thw railroad down and my bike that broke that one day lol. There's one tree over by Lily's friends house which is definitely bent rather right way, and also super old too, so I can't wait to share that one. I oh most slammed the breaks the day I picked up Lily, lol. Next time I will stop and film it. I have a feeling there will be more than one more video. Aging thw trees is now something I can stop doing even with other trees I seen now. Thank you so much Lisa! Charlie and Liz just told me too that the logging industry also used this technique, so that's super cool to know. The woods all around me have been logged, my town was built because of the logging companies here.
@largent45
@largent45 Жыл бұрын
@@CityRockhounding Thats amazing and good information to know. It will definitely help you to figure out the historical from the more recent ones!
@rljatfrogpondschool7283
@rljatfrogpondschool7283 Жыл бұрын
.... wonderful presentation...wonderful country...really good camera work....steady hands...thoughtful comments....pleasing music.....big thumbs up.............thank you for the smile this morning
@rljatfrogpondschool7283
@rljatfrogpondschool7283 Жыл бұрын
....the stone at 11:33 has two elephants and a bird on it
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
@RLJ at frogpond school thank you so much for this wonderful comment, it really made my day, thanks for the inspiration to keep going! Wow that's so cool, I see it now. Never noticed that before!
@SLBLADE
@SLBLADE Жыл бұрын
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@upnorthadventureswithccc
@upnorthadventureswithccc Жыл бұрын
That was very interesting and fun to see all the different bent trees out there. I took notice to a few in a video I am working on at the present time. But the aging of the trees is something I did not do or even think of doing. Enjoyed learning something new today :) The photos are amazing as they always are :) Looking forward to part two. Have a wonderful time making the next video 😊
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Thank you so very much Cherry. It was super fun taking something I just learned and bringing it out in thw field/nature. It was so much fun and I really can't wait for the next trip! You a re really looking for a tree and is bigger than 24inches in diameter and it's going to be old enough to be native, maybe one day here, I believe the one by Lily's friends house has one and its older for sure.
@kylaabegglen1275
@kylaabegglen1275 Жыл бұрын
Really cool video! I hadn't even heard of tree bending from the Native Americans. I knew some people do it to make trees and shrubs look the way they want in their yards, but that was it. I am happy to know this and will wonder from now on when I see a bent tree that is larger, who did this and why? Thanks for teaching me more new things Nic!✌️🤠🤟
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
My pleasure Kyla, it was fun to take something I learned and use it out there in nature. I'm glad I released this video because I've already learned more too for the next one. Thank you Kyla, so so much!
@amyh6485
@amyh6485 Жыл бұрын
I've never seen bent tree like those before. Really interesting... And that pine tree reminds me of the two that were at my childhood home. They were huge. If you wanted to get a photo of the entire tree, you had to take it out in the field behind the house. 😂
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
That's super cool, I love old trees, they've seen so many things throughout their life, a lot of history. I always wondered what the world look like back then. Thank you so much Amy, I really appreciate you watching and saying this.
@SunflowerHeather
@SunflowerHeather Жыл бұрын
One of my special interest's is old maps. Michigan was well mapped even way back when. Wonder if the old trail maps would help you gage the areas to look for the original bent trees. Just my thoughts tonight. Really enjoyed this video. Happy hunting!
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Oh what a great idea Heather, I really appreciate you saying that. Going to start looking into those maps, smart! That's a cool interest to be into, history is special, I would love to see how things looked back than.
@dalechurch4954
@dalechurch4954 5 ай бұрын
Great video thank you for sharing this with us l have seen some stuff on trail marker tree's and how to age trees you have some great information l like how you showed examples of different age of trees. I look forward to seeing more of your videos.have a blessed night there is a lot of history in the country.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch my video, I really appreciate that and for saying this. I definitely want to make more of these types of videos, I have seen a few more examples here, but I've been hoping to find one that's a really good one and aged right too. Thanks again and hope you have a great day!
@phillyrocks3847
@phillyrocks3847 6 ай бұрын
Look for large boulders as land markers. They are timeless.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 6 ай бұрын
Good to know, I really appreciate that tip. I will definitely keep my eye out for boulders!
@benniebarrow348
@benniebarrow348 Жыл бұрын
Very honest and realistic approach . While I don't doubt their are native bent trees, I don't believe there are near as many as is claimed by those who desperately want them to be one. These would have to be at least 150 years old plus and there are just to many variables in how a tree grows. The majority , although some being very cool looking, are results of storms or logging. Great video. Thanks.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
The more research I've done the more I'm seeing that too, so true! Doesn't take much to cause a bent tree, so many different ways it could happen. Thanks Squirrel, I really appreciate you watching and saying this all!
@OregonRocks
@OregonRocks Жыл бұрын
Thats pretty cool makes me want to look for some in my area aa well!
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
It is a more Northern thing so definitely take a look and see. Diameter x the growth factor will tell you how old, worth checking out at least. Super interesting when you see one too
@OregonRocks
@OregonRocks Жыл бұрын
@City Rockhounding So I can't just cut the tree down and count the rings? Haha jk would never do that.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
@Oregon Rocks I did use my trees around my house that we had cut down because they were going to fall on our house at some point, used those to test my math and it's was accurate within a few years/rings, that made me so excited to use this out in the field!
@OregonRocks
@OregonRocks Жыл бұрын
@@CityRockhounding That's awesome, and did I hear that you are 6 foot 4 in your video?
@MrChubbyHubby.
@MrChubbyHubby. Жыл бұрын
Cool and informative video City Rockhounding, well done! I wonder about using your chart for aging though, if it is designed to be used with "normal" trees and you are looking at injured trees could that mess up the math? like that tree at 11:50, the trunk is a lot bigger than the part that is 4 feet up, and given the injury I would think some stunting has occurred, so that tree might be older than the chart says. Growth rings are the best check, and I believe you can do core samples without hurting the tree. Look forward to Pt. 2.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Core samples is very interesting. The more I'm learning the more fun part two will be. Right after I made this video I thought about that as I was watching it, that the base is way bigger than the injured portion was oh most wondering if I can figure out a common number if I test a few trees, measured at the ground and at the four foot mark, and see if it's around the same for each tree. That way I can just measure the bottom a few inches up above root ball where it flares out. Even so the bottom could be too big because it was building up more due to the injury. So a core sample is smart, I'm going to have to learn how to do that and test a tree smaller tree.
@darkkingastos4369
@darkkingastos4369 8 ай бұрын
I see these all the time here in the Ozarks. Here they only appear near caves and rock shelters. They sometimes are mistaken for trees bent to make furniture but the Native marker ones will have the double 90 degree elbow and be really girthy. I also have noted where I live that caves and overhangs used from woodland and Mississippian times will 1 or 2 guargantuan Pine trees in front of the entrances as well. I usually see them around a half a mile from the cave or overhang at a place where multiple old trails intersect and pointing in the direction of the shelter.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 8 ай бұрын
That's super cool and I really appreciate you saying this all and letting me know, that's so cool. I have a bunch to learn, thanks for the inspiration and help.
@IndusRiverRock
@IndusRiverRock Жыл бұрын
Beautiful sharing 😊
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Thank you so very much Indus, I really appreciate you watching and saying this!
@365headhunter3
@365headhunter3 Жыл бұрын
Never heard of this before. Very interesting to say the least. You should show something by the tree for size reference or show yourself taking the measurements. It's hard to judge size of a tree in a picture.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Good call there, for size reference, smart man you are Don!
@365headhunter3
@365headhunter3 Жыл бұрын
@@CityRockhounding I'm so brite my Dad called me SON.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
@365 HEADHUNTER hahaha, where do you come up with this, you always have one ready!
@FieldsOfGold149
@FieldsOfGold149 8 ай бұрын
Makes a good place for a shelter as well.. lean too!
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 8 ай бұрын
Very true, I appreciate all the comments! Thanks my friend!
@JhonDiamond2021
@JhonDiamond2021 Жыл бұрын
Nice friend
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Jhon!
@angeloemlapidary72
@angeloemlapidary72 Жыл бұрын
Petualangan berburu batu alam dipedalaman hutan, bagus sekali pemandangannya sahabat ku
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Thank you so very much Angelo, I really appreciate you saying this my friend!
@FieldsOfGold149
@FieldsOfGold149 8 ай бұрын
I just watched a video on this! They say since the trees have died off there are probably about only 300 left. They are low to the ground
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 8 ай бұрын
That's very interesting to know, how cool. Sad that there are so few left.
@MobileOutdoor
@MobileOutdoor Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I think that tree was bent but in all fairness I know nothing about this topic. Might be good information for a survival situation
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've been bending trees and plants for years now and didn't know why these older trees were bent until I randomly saw a video on it and the natives using them for markers. I just started learning about this topic but I'm hooked now, especially since I keep finding more, and they are older than these.
@mikewiitala9462
@mikewiitala9462 Жыл бұрын
The squaws made the bent tree markers so that their men could find their way home from the saloon. That is why you see empty beer bottles along the route (8:28).
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
That makes a lot of sense, really cool info there, I will have to look into that, never thought about that! Thank you for saying this and for watching!
@FieldsOfGold149
@FieldsOfGold149 8 ай бұрын
Kids today like to bend trees like this for the fun of it
@VolcanoGoldDiggerAdirondacks
@VolcanoGoldDiggerAdirondacks 8 ай бұрын
made by other trees falling on them could be a branch it wanted to live by getting sun light before the other tress do and kills it
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 8 ай бұрын
Very cool, good to know, thank you so much!
@garyshinn4626
@garyshinn4626 Жыл бұрын
All the marker trees I ever saw were White Oak.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding Жыл бұрын
Thanks very good to know that about the white oak! Most od these are oak trees, just not sure what kind of oak they are!
@timallen6931
@timallen6931 4 ай бұрын
To age a tree you need a incremental borer. Then just count the rings.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 4 ай бұрын
That's smart, good idea, I appreciate your help, thanks for sharing your knowledge!
@timallen6931
@timallen6931 4 ай бұрын
@@CityRockhounding I just recently have gotten one. As you count the rings you'll be able to see the years of good growth and the years of not so good growth
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 4 ай бұрын
@timallen6931 that's awesome, good to know, I appreciate that. I hear that it's not bad for the tree either, is that correct.
@timallen6931
@timallen6931 4 ай бұрын
@@CityRockhounding that's what I've been lead to believe
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 4 ай бұрын
@timallen6931 cool, thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to chat with me!
@SpaceKingME
@SpaceKingME 4 ай бұрын
..do you look for the bends way up high. I have seen some awkward bends perhaps 50 feet up ƪ(“╰ _ ╯ )ʃ
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 4 ай бұрын
It's definitely possible, those typically happen from other trees falling and hitting that one causing it to bend or break and they heal themselves over time. To my understanding the natives bent them close to the ground so they could be either tied down until they start growing that way, makes for an easier marker to see as your exploring through the woods. But then again you never really know, could be! Thank you so much for saying this and for watching l, I really appreciate you taking the time, have a great day!
@GeorgiaGrowGuy
@GeorgiaGrowGuy 9 ай бұрын
Unless the natives where there in the last 150 years there will be little chance of any tree still being alive from much before then. Bent trees will live even a shorter life span. I live on 3.5 acres that was clear cut 30 years ago, i can show you multiple trees that look like 'marker trees" that sprung up.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 9 ай бұрын
Good to know, I appreciate you saying this and for your help, thank you!
@FieldsOfGold149
@FieldsOfGold149 8 ай бұрын
I made a video of a tree like this but it’s too far up to be a marker but I was wondering why it got so many views well now I know but it wasn’t a marker not old enough and too high up.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 8 ай бұрын
That's super cool, I'm learning that a bunch of them occur naturally from other trees falling on them.
@jimparker7778
@jimparker7778 11 ай бұрын
Native American populations were in full retreat by the 1820s anywhere east of the Mississippi. Disease killed millions of them because they didn't have any immunity to European viruses like cold and flu. Plains Indians were on the move but they maintained a defensive stance into the late 1800s.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 11 ай бұрын
I really appreciate you saying this all, thanks for sharing your knowledge, I'm still learning! Thanks for your help!
@cajunsurvivor
@cajunsurvivor 8 ай бұрын
Trees indians used are long gone. You aren't thinking long enough back
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 8 ай бұрын
Good to know, I appreciate your help here, still learning.
@Kamikaze3557
@Kamikaze3557 9 ай бұрын
Research ! The real truth is out there, use logic, a rare commodity these days.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for saying that, I have a ton of research I need to do here, learning and growing.
@jrosborne7634
@jrosborne7634 5 ай бұрын
There is no marker trees left Common sense should tell anyone that trees won’t last thousands of years This was a thing that used to be common practice But now there is no trees left like that and anyone who thinks there are still marker trees are fools
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 5 ай бұрын
I was sharing information about it and how to figure it out, which is why I state at each tree I seen here wasn't old enough. And actually in MI there are marker trees still around, they don't have to be a 1,000 years old, only a couple hundred years old. But I appreciate you option though!
@jaypercival431
@jaypercival431 3 ай бұрын
Sorry, but any bent tree you find in forest was not altered by Ancient Natives.
@CityRockhounding
@CityRockhounding 3 ай бұрын
I agree, no worries, which is also why I said that each one I found wasn't one, but would be cool to find one around still. I appreciate you watching and commenting!
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